Given that information I don't find any indication of them being in Quebec or New Brunswick, but here is what I DID find on them, as far as I can see... - Jared George Bryn Herdman b: 4 Aug. 1892 Found as George Bruyn Herdman, b. 04-Aug-1892, residing 391 Wash. Ave, Kingston, NY in Jun-1917, born in Kingston, worked as a Mason and was married with wife and child in 1917. Perhaps a first wife? He died in Apr-1968, NY, USA. From the Kingston Daily Freeman, Kingston, NY, evening edition dated 08-May-1968 showing "Home for the Aged" gratefully acknowledging Flowers received in month of April in memory of George B. Herdman. In 1930, at Kingston, Ulster Co, NY, George was a widower, with a son, George A. b. @1916, probably in Kingston, as well. In 1910 US Census for Kingston, NY, George listed in home of his brother, James Herdman, b. @1875, NY, also (parents b. NY, too). He (James) was married to Kathrine, b. @1885, NY. Another brother, Wallie, b. @1885, was in that same household at 35 Taylor Street in Kingston. Hm... 1900 not so good... (initially) There WAS a James Herdman, b. Jun-1827, Ireland, emigrated in 1828, in Kingston, NY in 1900. He was married to Phoebe (around 1853, b. Ireland Oct-1830. He had 12 children, 9 living in 1900. One of her daughters, Lydia, was married to a Bruyn Blanshan. The above James was the father of the James E., below: Listed/transcribed as "Henderson" and underlisted as "Hempelman: Kingston, NY 1900 - residing at 56 ?Lewis? Avenue: HERDMAN (the name is obscured, but readable if KNOWN... James E., head, w, m, Feb-1856, 44, M-26, NY, Ireland, Ireland, carriage blacksmith Anna B., wife, w, f, Sep-1856, 43, M-26, 8/8, NY, NY, NY, James E. Jr., son, w, m, Aug-1874, 25, S, NY, NY, NY, mason Harry S., son, w, m, Dec-1881, 18, S, NY, NY, NY, machinist William W., son, w, , Jan-1883, 17, S, NY, NY, NY, mason Walter A., son, w, m, Oct-1884, 15, S, NY, NY, NY, farm laborer Lydia L., dau, w, f, Mar-1887, 13, S, NY, NY, NY, at school Mary E., dau, w, f, Jul-1890, 9, S, NY NY NY, at school George B., son, w, m, Aug-1892, NY NY NY, at school *** One child already out of the house by that time. James Edmond Herman b. 1856, NY, m. Ann Darling. He was s/o James Herdman and Phoebe Noble. James (elder) was b. 1827, d. 1909, and is buried in the Wiltwyck Cemetery in Kingston, NY. He was s/o James William Herdman and Ann Beggs. Phoebe Noble b. 1830, Ireland, d. 1915, buried with James. (no parents noted) Also buried with them, two daughters: Eliza Ann Herdman, 1853-1904 and Ida Jane Herdman, 1861-1907. Harriet C. Gurth b: Feb 6 1909 Kingston N.Y. In Kingston, 1930, Harriet C. "Gueth" was an "employee", b. NY, showing parents b. Germany. She was working as a waitress in a Sanitarium at 61 Wall Street in Kingston. In 1920, "Hattie" Gurth is residing in the Bronx, NY, daughter of Joseph, b. Austria, Abt. 1872, and Mary b. @1875, Germany. He had arrived in US in 1893, she in 1892. 1910 in Manhattan, NY: Joseph Gindt 39 Austria, Austria, Austria, arr: 1890 Marie Gindt 35 Germany, Germany, Germany, arr: 1892 Elsie Gindt 14 NY, Aus, Ger Joseph Gindt 12 NY, Aus, Ger Hattie Gindt 1 4/12 NY, Aus, Ger Gindt/Girritt/Guith yet in looking at scan, knowing it's Gurth, there's no doubt. It was Joseph's 2nd marriage, about 1902, and Marie's first. Only child by Marie was Hattie. By 1930 Census, Joseph and Mary (just the couple) were residing in Saugerties, Ulster Co, NY. Josef Gurth b. 06-Feb-1871, Austria, was naturalized in NY on 17-Sep-1906. That record also listed his US arrival as 28-Jun-1892. He was a horse shoer, reisiding in 1906 at 413 East 119 St, NYC, NY. In Austrian seen as Gurth with the ".." over the u, so Guerth spelling is likely as well. A Josef Gurth arrived 28-Jun-1893 (not 1892) b. @1871, on the "Havel", at NY Harbor, having departed Breman, Germany. He was a "smith" with destination of NY. This could have been a 2nd crossing for him, but is surely him. Record can be found at www.ellisisland.org A few off possibles for Marie Kull's arrival, but found one closest match as follows: Maria Kull, b. @1875, arrived 27-Aug-1891, German, arriving from Antwerp, Belgium, on the "Noordland". The only readable additional information is that she was a servant. Arrived too early for Ellis Island search, though. Marriage data for Joseph's first marriage, perhaps? Could be just another Joseph, too. Joseph Gerth m, Maria Schwarz, 07-Oct-1893, Manhattan, NY, he was son of Nicolas Gerth and Magdalena Friedman. She was d/o Gottlieb Schwarz and Elisah Faas. The fact that a daughter was Elsie may prove significant. > > > To all Listers, > > I am looking for any info on a Joseph Gurth & a Marie Kull > Abt 18890-1900 In Quebec or New Brunswick area. > > > They are my father in-law g-parents, and the last info I have > on them, was that they were around the Kingston N.Y. area. > The only data i have is ( Below ) > > > George Bryn Herdman > b: 4 Aug. 1892 > > Harriet C. 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