Hi John, Thanks very much for your efforts -- I appreciate your interest and help. The situation is confused somewhat by the existence of at least one other ANDREWS family in Saint John during the period of interest to me, namely approximately 1840 - 1900 or so. And I recall from my searches in city directories that there was at least one 'other' (not my family) Joseph Andrews, although there were two Joseph ANDREWS men in my family -- father and son. I have indeed made very good use of Dan Johnson's fantastic work. For example: Daniel F. Johnson : Volume 62 Number 3231 Date April 14 1885 Place Saint John Newspaper The Daily Telegraph d. City of Portland (St. John) Sunday 12th inst., Joseph ANDREWS, 85th year. Funeral from his residence Paradise Row, Wednesday half past 2 o'clock. The Joseph in this death notice above was my gg-grandfather. He had a son Joseph (1844-1917) who was a physician practicing in Saint John. Dr. Joseph Andrews married twice but as far as I know did not have any children. I have a copy of a newspaper obituary for him which appeared in the St. John Standard, Thursday, February 22, 1917. Unfortunately it sheds no light on his parents. Joseph Sr's wife Jane, my gg-grandmother, also had a death notice appear in the Daily Telegraph: Daniel F Johnson : Volume 63 Number 2181 Date : December 9, 1885 Place : Saint John Newspaper : The Daily Telegraph d. Truro, N.S., 8th inst., Jane Armour ANDREWS relict of Joseph ANDREWS, 70th year. Funeral from her residence Paradise Row, Saint John, Thursday half past 2 o'clock. I have never located obituaries for either Joseph (senior) or Jane Andrews. For that matter, I think the only obituary I have is the one for son Joseph -- none for any of the four daughters. It strikes me as fairly unlikely that an obit for one of the children would be very helpful. On the other hand, it would be fantastic if obits could be found for either Joseph Sr or Jane. The James Hannay transcriptions of the Rural / Fernhill Cemetery contains the following record: In loving memory of Joseph Andrews died Apr 12th 1885 aged 85 years His wife Jean Armour died Dec 5th 1885 aged 74 years Thanks again, John Cordes On [2011-03-25 at 07:45pm] John Elliott <elliojo@nb.sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi, > > Don't have anything on the marriage, but the "Burial Records of the > Church of England Cemetery" (Thorne Ave., Saint John), published 1987 by > Lennox Bagnell include the following burials. > > Andrews, Jane, Widow 1 Nov. 1847 48 yrs > Andrews, Joseph 7 April 1879 35 yrs Rev. Armstrong, > St. Marks - buried in the Poor ground > Andrews, Joseph 15 May 1880 Removed from > Poor Ground to rural Cemetery (now Fernhill) > > There are a few other Andrews burials there, but not many. > > The records of Brenan's Funeral Home (online at PANB website) include a > Joseph Andrews from Ireland who was a doctor - same one?? > Have you looked at Dan Johnson's "Vital Statistics From New Brunswick > Newspapers" online also at the PANB site? > > Regards, > > John Elliott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Cordes" <John.Cordes@dal.ca> > To: <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] early sj marriage - RICHEY > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > Thanks very much for giving it a try -- this is greatly > > appreciated. > > > > I don't believe the John Andrews name is of my family. I only > > mentioned the name of Jane Andrews, who married John Lee > > Olive, because she was the earliest child for whom I have a > > record. My own great-grandmother was Annie Andrews, born 1850 > > in Saint John to Joseph Andrews and Jane Armour. > > > > Depending on how comprehensive the book may be, this > > increases the likelihood that Joseph Andrews and Jane Armour > > may have married in Ireland before coming to New Brunswick. > > > > It's back to banging against the brick wall for me, I'm afraid. > > > > John Cordes > > Halifax > > > > On [2011-03-25 at 02:40pm] Margaret Leary <mleary@nwfirst.com> wrote: > >> The book that I have is for Saint John City and County from the British > >> Conquest to 1839, and published by Holland House, Inc., Saint John, NB. > >> > >> I found no references to either a Joseph Andrews and anyone with the > >> surname Armour; nor any references to a John Lee Olive. There are > >> records for John Andrews, William Olive, James Olive, James Olive, 3rd, > >> and Isaac Olive, Jr. > >> > >> Margaret Leary > >> Seattle, WA > >> > >> On 3/25/2011 5:13 AM, John Cordes wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I was not aware of this book, and am wondering how > >> > comprehensive it may be. > >> > > >> > I have tried very hard to search for a marriage record for my > >> > gg-grandparents Joseph Andrews and Jean/Jane Armour; my > >> > searches were mostly in records at the archives in > >> > Fredericton. The couple were living in Saint John (Portland) > >> > at least by 1843, where their first child (probably) Jane > >> > Andrews was born; Jane married John Lee Olive. Both Joseph > >> > Andrews and Jean/Jane Armour get listed in census records > >> > showing Irish ethnicity. Their children (4 girls and 1 boy) > >> > are all married in Anglican ceremonies. > >> > > >> > I do not even know for sure if Joseph and Jean were married > >> > in New Brunswick, or possibly had married before coming. > >> > > >> > It would be greatly appreciated if you were able to check in > >> > the "Early Marriage Records" book for an ANDREWS-ARMOUR > >> > marriage. > >> > > >> > Thanks very much, > >> > John Cordes > >> > Halifax, Nova Scotia > >> > http://www.cordes.ca/genealogy/