Hi, In the 1861 Queens County Census (Waterborough Parish) - numbers 895 to 901 - is a family where the head of the household is Thomas Gilbert. His wife is Elizabeth. Also living here is their son-in-law George Chapman and daughter Catherine (George is her husband). There is also a William Chapman who is listed as a servant. George is 27, William is 33 and both are Baptists and I assume born in NB. Would anyone know who if George Chapman and William Chapman were brothers? If so, who were their parents? What happened to them? The 2 other persons listed in this household, Elizabeth Giants and John Giants are probably Elizabeth Joynes and her son, John Joynes. Elizabeth's second husband was Joseph Joynes. She had been previously married to James Chapman - wondering if George and William might be her sons from her first marriage? Jerry

Greetings, Thank-you to everyone who attended "Pennfield Ridge War Memorial Service(2011)" this past 24 July. Nice to see a lot of familiar faces once again! The Pennfield Parish website has been updated once again. Here is the listing of what is new: What's new, August 12, 2011 Church & Cemetery Record Christ Church Cemetery - added obit. for Leota Armstrong & Phyllis Murphy. Pennfield Presbyterian Kirk Cemetery - added obit. for Jack McDowell. Stella Maris Catholic Cemetery - added obits. for Basil Belliveau & Cowboy Vautour. Military History Pennfield Ridge Air Station (Pennfield Ridge War Memorial Service) - "Airfield Kindles Memories"; and "Memorial Service Upcoming" added. No.34 Operational Training Unit (Accident and/or Mishap Reports) - added one (1) new report - thanks George! No.34 Operational Training Unit (Remembering Those Who Served) - added three (3) names and updated ten (10) names with additional details for those stationed at the base. No.34 Operational Training Unit - Course Photographs - added photograph from Course No.13 (Pilots) - thanks Roger! No.34 Operational Training Unit - Staff Photographs - added one (1) photograph - thanks Mary! Pennfield Ridge Air Station (Photographs: Airmen - Miscellaneous) - added twenty-one (21) new photographs from No.34 OTU - thanks Mary! & added three (3) additional photographs to "Ferry Ride" - thanks Gary! Pennfield Ridge Air Station (Photographs: Airplanes) - added two (2) photographs from No.34 OTU - thanks Mary! Pennfield Ridge Air Station (Photographs: Recreation) - added larger version of "Christmas for kids (1943)" and three (3) additional photographs from Christmas 1943 - thanks Gary!. Pennfield Ridge Air Station (Roll of Honour - Newspaper Stories) - "Brother says farewell to long-lost airmen" and "Living history: a wartime training crash draws visitor" added. RCAF Station, Pennfield Ridge (Accident and/or Mishap Reports) - added one (1) new report. Vital Statistics Pennfield Parish Strays (Who Are Buried Elsewhere) - added obit. for Pastor Fred Bradford, Stephen Cooke, Hazel Gillespie, John MacGillivray & Keith Watson. To find additional information and/or links please see "What's New" section on the main page. Regards, G. Christian Larsen President - Pennfield Parish Military Historical Society Member of 250 RCAF (Saint John) Wing, AFAC Member of 2nd TAF Medium Bombers Association, Canadian Wing Coordinator for Pennfield Parish website Coordinator for Lepreau Parish website Research Projects: Pennfield Ridge Air Station, A-30 Canadian Infantry Training Centre, CA (Camp Utopia) & Pennfield Parish veterans http://pennfieldridgeairstation.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbpennfi/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbleprea/

Carol: My ancestor's name was George Neilson Smith (1787 - 1854) who signed his paintings as Geo. N. Smith. I have a lithograph of one of his original watercolours of Saint John Harbour hanging in my office. I also have a smaller original painting done by a British officer of a fellow officer in an old sleigh with his lady friend flying across the snow somewhere in near Quebec city. The artist later died iI enjoy studying them both taking time out from I researching my ancestors. On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:42 PM, <jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > The "head honcho" to whom Bev referred was Thomas Baillie, Surveyor General of New Brunswick, who died in France in 1863. Fred Johnson's archive contains a typical story about becoming a surveyor, if you use WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK as your search term. > > True, many surveyors and artists were military men. Nova Scotia had two.. Lieutenant Governor Sir Gaspard LeMarchant (an accomplished artist), and Capt. William Moorsom who surveyed much if the colony before going on to survey railways in England. > > There are many such stories in my book "Fleming's Army' which is being published by Railfare-DC of Montreal this month, biogarphies of the more-than ninety engineers and surveyors (many of them from New Brunswick) who assisted Sandford Fleming with the construction of the Intercolonial Railway (he didn't do it alone!) > > Fleming himelf was never a trained civil engineer. He articled as a surveyor under John Sang in Scotland, because he had an aptitude for mathematics. In Fleming's day surveyors could call themselves civil engineers without ever having studied engineering formally, but trained civil engineers could not call themselves surveyors until they had passed provincial licensing boards. > > Jahy underwood > Elmsdale NS > > Coming soon: > "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. > Contact author for details > Also from Railfare: > "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. > http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html > http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html > http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html > From Pennydreadful Publishing: > "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 > "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 > Or see author for details > www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com > > ---- Robber <robber@rogers.com> wrote: >> Hello Bev, >> >> Thanks for sharing this.  By the way, who was your ancestor who was the >> artist?  I am always interested in early images of New Brunswick.  It seems >> many of the early artists were trained in surveying or military men. >> >> Cheers, >> Rob Fisher >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Guy >> Sent: August-06-11 1:38 AM >> To: cgnorm@earthlink.net; newbrunswick@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor >> >> Hi Carol: >> Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors >> learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr >> grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family >> in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief >> honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had >> formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a >> doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the >> Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met >> and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two >> later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. >> >> To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several >> years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well >> suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got >> such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence >> but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost >> their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the >> surveyor's father). >> >> With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet  in Edinburgh (rather >> like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, >> youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. >> >> By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance >> and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John >> Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook >> collection in Fredericton. >> >> Just a fun addition to the discussion.  You fill in the gaps    Bev >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: >> > Hello List, >> > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John >> > with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of >> > training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any >> > sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time >> > period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much >> > >> > >> > Carol Norman >> > cgnorm@earthlink.net >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > List Announcements can be found at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> > List home page at: >> > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Announcements can be found at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> List home page at: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3817 - Release Date: 08/06/11 >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Announcements can be found at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> List home page at: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It has been brought to my attention that I made an error in a name...the search term should be for William KILPATRICK. I do apologise. Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS Coming soon: "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. Contact author for details Also from Railfare: "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html >From Pennydreadful Publishing: "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 Or see author for details www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com ---- jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: > The "head honcho" to whom Bev referred was Thomas Baillie, Surveyor General of New Brunswick, who died in France in 1863. Fred Johnson's archive contains a typical story about becoming a surveyor, if you use WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK as your search term. True, many surveyors and artists were military men. Nova Scotia had two.. Lieutenant Governor Sir Gaspard LeMarchant (an accomplished artist), and Capt. William Moorsom who surveyed much if the colony before going on to survey railways in England. There are many such stories in my book "Fleming's Army' which is being published by Railfare-DC of Montreal this month, biogarphies of the more-than ninety engineers and surveyors (many of them from New Brunswick) who assisted Sandford Fleming with the construction of the Intercolonial Railway (he didn't do it alone!) Fleming himelf was never a trained civil engineer. He articled as a surveyor under John Sang in Scotland, because he had an aptitude for mathematics. In Fleming's day surveyors could call themselves civil engineers without ever having studied engineering formally, but trained civil engineers could not call themselves surveyors until they had passed provincial licensing boards. Jahy underwood Elmsdale NS Coming soon: "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. Contact author for details Also from Railfare: "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html >From Pennydreadful Publishing: "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 Or see author for details www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com ---- Robber <robber@rogers.com> wrote: > Hello Bev, > > Thanks for sharing this. By the way, who was your ancestor who was the > artist? I am always interested in early images of New Brunswick. It seems > many of the early artists were trained in surveying or military men. > > Cheers, > Rob Fisher > > > -----Original Message----- > From: newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Guy > Sent: August-06-11 1:38 AM > To: cgnorm@earthlink.net; newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor > > Hi Carol: > Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors > learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr > grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family > in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief > honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had > formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a > doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the > Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met > and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two > later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. > > To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several > years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well > suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got > such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence > but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost > their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the > surveyor's father). > > With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet in Edinburgh (rather > like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, > youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. > > By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance > and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John > Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook > collection in Fredericton. > > Just a fun addition to the discussion. You fill in the gaps Bev > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hello List, > > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John > > with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of > > training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any > > sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time > > period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much > > > > > > Carol Norman > > cgnorm@earthlink.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List Announcements can be found at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > > List home page at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3817 - Release Date: 08/06/11 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol: My ancestor's name was George Neilson Smith (1787 - 1854) who signed his paintings as Geo. N. Smith. I have a lithograph of one of his original watercolours of Saint John Harbour hanging in my office. I also have a smaller original painting done by a British officer of a fellow officer in an old sleigh with his lady friend flying across the snow somewhere in near Quebec city. The artist later died in the Boer War. I enjoy studying them both, taking time out from I researching my ancestors. And thanks Jay for your input. I remember and appreciated our converations about Sancton, the embezzler. Bev On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 12:42 PM, <jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote: > The "head honcho" to whom Bev referred was Thomas Baillie, Surveyor General of New Brunswick, who died in France in 1863. Fred Johnson's archive contains a typical story about becoming a surveyor, if you use WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK as your search term. > > True, many surveyors and artists were military men. Nova Scotia had two.. Lieutenant Governor Sir Gaspard LeMarchant (an accomplished artist), and Capt. William Moorsom who surveyed much if the colony before going on to survey railways in England. > > There are many such stories in my book "Fleming's Army' which is being published by Railfare-DC of Montreal this month, biogarphies of the more-than ninety engineers and surveyors (many of them from New Brunswick) who assisted Sandford Fleming with the construction of the Intercolonial Railway (he didn't do it alone!) > > Fleming himelf was never a trained civil engineer. He articled as a surveyor under John Sang in Scotland, because he had an aptitude for mathematics. In Fleming's day surveyors could call themselves civil engineers without ever having studied engineering formally, but trained civil engineers could not call themselves surveyors until they had passed provincial licensing boards. > > Jahy underwood > Elmsdale NS > > Coming soon: > "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. > Contact author for details > Also from Railfare: > "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. > http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html > http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html > http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html > From Pennydreadful Publishing: > "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 > "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 > Or see author for details > www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com > > ---- Robber <robber@rogers.com> wrote: >> Hello Bev, >> >> Thanks for sharing this.  By the way, who was your ancestor who was the >> artist?  I am always interested in early images of New Brunswick.  It seems >> many of the early artists were trained in surveying or military men. >> >> Cheers, >> Rob Fisher >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Guy >> Sent: August-06-11 1:38 AM >> To: cgnorm@earthlink.net; newbrunswick@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor >> >> Hi Carol: >> Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors >> learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr >> grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family >> in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief >> honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had >> formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a >> doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the >> Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met >> and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two >> later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. >> >> To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several >> years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well >> suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got >> such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence >> but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost >> their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the >> surveyor's father). >> >> With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet  in Edinburgh (rather >> like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, >> youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. >> >> By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance >> and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John >> Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook >> collection in Fredericton. >> >> Just a fun addition to the discussion.  You fill in the gaps    Bev >> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: >> > Hello List, >> > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John >> > with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of >> > training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any >> > sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time >> > period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much >> > >> > >> > Carol Norman >> > cgnorm@earthlink.net >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > List Announcements can be found at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> > List home page at: >> > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Announcements can be found at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> List home page at: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3817 - Release Date: 08/06/11 >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> List Announcements can be found at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm >> List home page at: >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

By the way gang, the newspaper data base that people are referring to as being done by "Fred" Johnson is actually DAN Johnson's database & it is mounted on the PANB website. Carol Norman cgnorm@earthlink.net

The "head honcho" to whom Bev referred was Thomas Baillie, Surveyor General of New Brunswick, who died in France in 1863. Fred Johnson's archive contains a typical story about becoming a surveyor, if you use WILLIAM KIRKPATRICK as your search term. True, many surveyors and artists were military men. Nova Scotia had two.. Lieutenant Governor Sir Gaspard LeMarchant (an accomplished artist), and Capt. William Moorsom who surveyed much if the colony before going on to survey railways in England. There are many such stories in my book "Fleming's Army' which is being published by Railfare-DC of Montreal this month, biogarphies of the more-than ninety engineers and surveyors (many of them from New Brunswick) who assisted Sandford Fleming with the construction of the Intercolonial Railway (he didn't do it alone!) Fleming himelf was never a trained civil engineer. He articled as a surveyor under John Sang in Scotland, because he had an aptitude for mathematics. In Fleming's day surveyors could call themselves civil engineers without ever having studied engineering formally, but trained civil engineers could not call themselves surveyors until they had passed provincial licensing boards. Jahy underwood Elmsdale NS Coming soon: "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. Contact author for details Also from Railfare: "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html >From Pennydreadful Publishing: "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 Or see author for details www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com ---- Robber <robber@rogers.com> wrote: > Hello Bev, > > Thanks for sharing this. By the way, who was your ancestor who was the > artist? I am always interested in early images of New Brunswick. It seems > many of the early artists were trained in surveying or military men. > > Cheers, > Rob Fisher > > > -----Original Message----- > From: newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Guy > Sent: August-06-11 1:38 AM > To: cgnorm@earthlink.net; newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor > > Hi Carol: > Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors > learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr > grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family > in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief > honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had > formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a > doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the > Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met > and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two > later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. > > To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several > years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well > suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got > such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence > but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost > their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the > surveyor's father). > > With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet in Edinburgh (rather > like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, > youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. > > By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance > and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John > Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook > collection in Fredericton. > > Just a fun addition to the discussion. You fill in the gaps Bev > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hello List, > > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John > > with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of > > training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any > > sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time > > period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much > > > > > > Carol Norman > > cgnorm@earthlink.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List Announcements can be found at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > > List home page at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3817 - Release Date: 08/06/11 > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bev, Thanks for sharing this. By the way, who was your ancestor who was the artist? I am always interested in early images of New Brunswick. It seems many of the early artists were trained in surveying or military men. Cheers, Rob Fisher -----Original Message----- From: newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:newbrunswick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bev Guy Sent: August-06-11 1:38 AM To: cgnorm@earthlink.net; newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor Hi Carol: Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the surveyor's father). With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet in Edinburgh (rather like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook collection in Fredericton. Just a fun addition to the discussion. You fill in the gaps Bev On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello List, > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John > with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of > training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any > sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time > period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much > > > Carol Norman > cgnorm@earthlink.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 / Virus Database: 1520/3817 - Release Date: 08/06/11

Hi Carol: Somewhere amongst the replies to your query it was suggested that surveyors learned their profession overseas. For what it's worth, my several gr grandfather was from Edinburgh, Scotland. He arrived in N.B. with his family in 1828 with the title Deputy Crown Surveyor of N.B. I believe the chief honcho was named ? Baillie. In my extensive knowledge/research he never had formal training to be a surveyor in Scotland (he was supposed to become a doctor) but he was a keen naturalist and aged about 18, tramped all over the Killarney Lakes In Ireland, wrote and published a successful travelogue, met and fell in love with a girl from Waterford and went back a year or two later to marry her. They then lived in Ireland. To support her and his growing family, he became a surveyor for several years in Ireland before they emigrated to N.B. Undoubtedly he was well suited for that profession as he knew the Irish landscape well. How he got such a position in N.B. is a mystery and must have required some influence but he came from a prosperous, land owning family in Edinburgh who lost their holdings due to poor business judgement in the next generation (the surveyor's father). With older brothers who became Writers to the Signet in Edinburgh (rather like a para legal today), my surveyor ancestor who was the well educated, youngest son really had no choice but to emigrate to advance his career. By the way, my ancestral surveyor turned out to be an artist of importance and historical interest. Several of his original watercolours of Saint John Harbour, Fredericton and original old buildings are in the Lord Beaverbrook collection in Fredericton. Just a fun addition to the discussion. You fill in the gaps Bev On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello List, > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with the occupation of surveyor.  Does anyone know what kind of training one would have to have to pursue this trade?  Was there any sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be on record somewhere?  Thanks much > > > Carol Norman > cgnorm@earthlink.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, As an addition to Jay's response (absolutely no argument with what he says!) I am more familiar with what went on in Upper and Lower Canada, where virtually all the "original" surveys were conducted by the military surveyors. (This was during a period of concern over invasion from the US.) I'm not totally clear if military surveyors entered military service already trained, or if they received their training "on the job," but there are numerous references (or hints) of surveyors working in parties of "assistants," which I've always taken to mean apprentices or trainees, in addition to boat-men and guides. I have also noticed references to trained soldiers retiring in Canada and setting up as commercial surveyors, after the drive for the military survey was mostly complete. I recognize that most of the basic surveys in the Atlantic provinces had already been completed well before the main survey programmes in Upper Canada were activated but there also seem to have been a continuing program of surveying - particularly in New Brunswick - in later years so it seems to me there would have been a possibility that a local trained surveyor could also have received that training during a period of military service. The emergence of any sort of educational establishment in any part of Canada was relatively slow (other than an occasional ad. hoc. school teaching basic three "R's" ) the first of these concentrating more on the teaching of "the classics" rather than trades or professions (always excepting the church.) Here, in what became Ontario, trade schools and professional associations didn't start to emerge until the late 1800's. That said, in 1851, I would have expected any professional "certification" to have come from "off-shore." On the other hand it seems that in "the bad old days" if you wanted to set up as a doctor, or a lawyer, or any sort of professional (except as a minister - perhaps) all you needed to do was hang out your "shingle" stating your claim and you were judged on your results. The point being - don't project today's standards and regulations on yesterdays society. Life today is FAR more complicated - for better or for worse! :) Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca FACEBOOK: http://tinyurl.com/ACDB-Can-on-Facebook On 5 Aug, 2011, at 12:37 PM, newbrunswick-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:53:30 -0700 > From: "Carol Norman" <cgnorm@earthlink.net> > Subject: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor > To: "newbrunswicklist" <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <380-22011833205330609@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello List, > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with the occupation of surveyor. Does anyone know what kind of training one would have to have to pursue this trade? Was there any sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be on record somewhere? Thanks much > > > Carol Norman > cgnorm@earthlink.net

Hi all, Going to Grand Manan to research my family-Cronk-Small-Stanley- and many more. Need some advice where to stay, ferry, reservation or not?

 Hi List... Just to let you know the archives added over 5000 scanned images of 1920 deaths to the web site. Have a look at http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/GovRecs/VISSE/?culture=en-CA Heather Heather Leighton Waddingham Campobello Parish Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcampob/ My England and Canadian Roots http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=CDNROOTS

In 1851 there was no formal training for surveyors. Young men would be apprenticed to licensed surveyors and earn their papers from the Crown Lands Office. Lists may have been published in the annual legislature reports, which can be accessed through Early Canadiana Online. You might try to find details by entering the surname and keywords "surveyor" and "New Brunswick" at http://www.canadiana.org/ECO Snilarly, the surname and "surveyor" might yield results fom Fred Johnston's site: http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/Search.aspx?culture=en-CA Jay Underwood Elmsdale NS Coming soon: "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" From Railfare*DC Books. Contact author for details Also from Railfare: "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html >From Pennydreadful Publishing: "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 Or see author for details www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com ---- Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello List, > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with the occupation of surveyor. Does anyone know what kind of training one would have to have to pursue this trade? Was there any sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be on record somewhere? Thanks much > > > Carol Norman > cgnorm@earthlink.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Carol for asking the question. I have always wondered how one of my relatives became a surveyor in New Brunswick. Thanks also Jay for the websites, I will be looking for my relative Joseph Benedict Whipple. Sheila in Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Norman" <cgnorm@earthlink.net> To: "newbrunswicklist" <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor > Hello List, > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with > the occupation of surveyor. Does anyone know what kind of training one > would have to have to pursue this trade? Was there any sort of official > certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be > on record somewhere? Thanks much > > > Carol Norman > cgnorm@earthlink.net > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Jay, for your speedy & helpful reply Carol Norman cgnorm@earthlink.net > [Original Message] > From: <jp.underwood@ns.sympatico.ca> > To: <newbrunswick@rootsweb.com>; <cgnorm@earthlink.net> > Date: 8/3/2011 2:38:32 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Training to be a Surveyor > > In 1851 there was no formal training for surveyors. Young men would be apprenticed to licensed surveyors and earn their papers from the Crown Lands Office. > > Lists may have been published in the annual legislature reports, which can be accessed through Early Canadiana Online. You might try to find details by entering the surname and keywords "surveyor" and "New Brunswick" at > http://www.canadiana.org/ECO > > Snilarly, the surname and "surveyor" might yield results fom Fred Johnston's site: > http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/NewspaperVitalStats/Search.aspx?culture=en-CA > > Jay Underwood > Elmsdale NS > > Coming soon: > "Fleming's Army: The civil engineers who built the Intercolonial Railway" >From Railfare*DC Books. > Contact author for details > Also from Railfare: > "Ghost Tracks" supernatural stories from Nova Scotia's Railways. > http://www.railfare.net/Ghost%20Tracks.html > http://www.railfare.net/FromFollyToFortune.html > http://www.railfare.net/builtforwar.html > From Pennydreadful Publishing: > "Confederation Conspiracy: The curious career of a civil engineer" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/1617638 > "Kings of the Iron Road: The men who made Nova Scotia's railways work" > http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/2084740 > Or see author for details > www.Pennydreadfulpublishing.com > > ---- Carol Norman <cgnorm@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hello List, > > A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with the occupation of surveyor. Does anyone know what kind of training one would have to have to pursue this trade? Was there any sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be on record somewhere? Thanks much > > > > > > Carol Norman > > cgnorm@earthlink.net > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > List Announcements can be found at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > > List home page at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, A man on our family tree appeared in the 1851 census of Saint John with the occupation of surveyor. Does anyone know what kind of training one would have to have to pursue this trade? Was there any sort of official certification or licensing for surveyors at that time period that might be on record somewhere? Thanks much Carol Norman cgnorm@earthlink.net

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Hi Michelle, Checking PANB's RS141 vital statistics database I find a late birth registration for her. showing Barton Howard KERR as her father and Margaret Maude SUTHERLAND as her mother. http://archives.gnb.ca/APPS/GovRecs/VISSE/Introduction.aspx?culture=en-CA Good Luck, Marilyn ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Contact the NB Archives - it's $8 & ask them for everything that they can find in the file.

HI! I have the following information on Elizabeth Kerr on her will was registered Feb 23 1917 in book 83 pg 349-350 Item No. 18072 PANB Microfilm # F5233. Is there any way to get a copy of this will? Elizabeth died Feb 7 1917 in Milltown New Brunswick. Looking for her death records if it list her parents names? thank you Michelle