Another thing that may help you narrow down your results is the check box that appears way down at the bottom of the search box, where you specify which collections you want to give priority to for the display of the search results--Ie., let's say you are searching someone that you already know was Canadian, specify that Canada should be the prominent or priority collection. If that does not produce any results, then repeat the search but widen it by checking off "All Collections," and you may learn that your Canadian migrated to the US or some such.If you begin with "All Collections," then you may get 69 zillion hits in England, Australia, US, etc., etc. none of which may be relevant, and all of which take up an enormous amount of time to sift through. Carol Norman cgnorm@earthlink.net

This is Gerald Bailey and I would like some help from  Shirly Smith. This afternoon I saw an e mail where you said that you had some background in using Ancestry.com for searching for data. My problem is finding information on William SR Bailey 1796 in Tyrone Ireland died 19 May 1879 in NY and his wife Jane1798-1897. Where did Jane died as maybe Chatfield, MN. I have data that she died 21 May 1866 in NY, but can not find where I got the data. I do have info Jane in MN, but was she living with her son William JR Bailey or what. If Jane died in NY in 1866, then who is the Jane that several people have on their family tree? I am also looking for the mother and father of William Bailey and any siblings he may have. I have just started to use Ancestry.com and go around in a circle from time to time. Thanks for any help you may give.

Hi, Sara, I'm quite experienced at searching ancestry. Are you searching ancestry.ca or ancestry.com? If you give me the information that you already have, I would be happy to give it a try and see if I can help. (If I find something, I can share with you what worked.) I also find ancestry frustrating because of the inadequacy of their search strategies, which I used to design when I was working. I'm pretty sure they have tried to design their system to encourage beginners who would be discouraged it they had no hits at all. Do you know how to use ancestry's card catalog to locate data bases specific to your locations? Shirley ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:50:51 -0500 From: sara5d <sara5d@optonline.net> Subject: [ NB ] Navigating Ancestry To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. Also, if I go in a later time, it no longer gives me what I already knew was there (from a previous visit). How can I refine my searches to the place I expect them to be? And is there a way to save resources (census, trees etc) so that I can go directly back to them? Seems like I must already know the full name, birth/death date and place, plus who they married, in order to search. If I knew that already, I wouldn't need Ancestry. Thanks for any and all help. Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:25:25 -0400 From: John Cordes <John.Cordes@dal.ca> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Navigating Ancestry To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Here are a couple of things I do; they may or may not be of any use to you. One idea is to selectively set various fields to be "Exact". You can even put something like mos* in the surname field and still set it to be "Exact" rather than default. It's the Default which allows for so many variations to appear. The other idea which I find quite useful on occasion is to enter something in the Keywords box -- probably half-way down the screen after all the name details. For example I might put "nova scotia" (incl. the quotes) in the Keywords box, and sometimes force it by checking the Exact box alongside. Hope this helps, John Cordes Halifax, Nova Scotia

>From Shirley: I'm pretty sure they have tried to design their system to encourage beginners who would be discouraged it they had no hits at all. Shirley, well they have certainly done a great job at providing a thousand 'useless' hits. How can any one get excited about that? If I'm looking for someone in Texas, I don't need to see all the hits in Ireland, especially if the name and birth year aren't remotely the same, except for a middle initial. Using the drop down under Advanced has helped me tremendously. I am currently researching the De La Garza of Mexico and Texas. I was able to find pretty much what I needed, once I used John's suggestion. I still can't believe I didn't look at that before! Yes, please tell me how to use the Card Catalog. There are many that I would like to 'save' some place in my Ancestry setup so I can go directly to them again and again. It would be so helpful to alphabatize those collections. PS I am using .com, not .ca ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Smith To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [ NB ] NEWBRUNSWICK Digest, Vol 6, Issue 77 Hi, Sara, I'm quite experienced at searching ancestry. Are you searching ancestry.ca or ancestry.com? If you give me the information that you already have, I would be happy to give it a try and see if I can help. (If I find something, I can share with you what worked.) I also find ancestry frustrating because of the inadequacy of their search strategies, which I used to design when I was working. I'm pretty sure they have tried to design their system to encourage beginners who would be discouraged it they had no hits at all. Do you know how to use ancestry's card catalog to locate data bases specific to your locations? Shirley ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:50:51 -0500 From: sara5d <sara5d@optonline.net> Subject: [ NB ] Navigating Ancestry To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. Also, if I go in a later time, it no longer gives me what I already knew was there (from a previous visit). How can I refine my searches to the place I expect them to be? And is there a way to save resources (census, trees etc) so that I can go directly back to them? Seems like I must already know the full name, birth/death date and place, plus who they married, in order to search. If I knew that already, I wouldn't need Ancestry. Thanks for any and all help. Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:25:25 -0400 From: John Cordes <John.Cordes@dal.ca> Subject: Re: [ NB ] Navigating Ancestry To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Here are a couple of things I do; they may or may not be of any use to you. One idea is to selectively set various fields to be "Exact". You can even put something like mos* in the surname field and still set it to be "Exact" rather than default. It's the Default which allows for so many variations to appear. The other idea which I find quite useful on occasion is to enter something in the Keywords box -- probably half-way down the screen after all the name details. For example I might put "nova scotia" (incl. the quotes) in the Keywords box, and sometimes force it by checking the Exact box alongside. Hope this helps, John Cordes Halifax, Nova Scotia ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 13/11/2011 9:50 AM, "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> wrote: > Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full > Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. > > I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It > gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not > alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial > (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle > initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. // cut // > > Thanks for any and all help. > Welcome to their NEW search engine. As bad as the old engine was, at least it sort of worked. I too find it impossible to find things I had previously found on their site. Glad to hear that you had better results using the advanced mode. I will have to try again using that method. ---------------------------------- May you live in interesting times. ­ an old Chinese curse ---------------------------------- Arrowhead Images Arnold Palmer ----------------------------------

Here are a couple of things I do; they may or may not be of any use to you. One idea is to selectively set various fields to be "Exact". You can even put something like mos* in the surname field and still set it to be "Exact" rather than default. It's the Default which allows for so many variations to appear. The other idea which I find quite useful on occasion is to enter something in the Keywords box -- probably half-way down the screen after all the name details. For example I might put "nova scotia" (incl. the quotes) in the Keywords box, and sometimes force it by checking the Exact box alongside. Hope this helps, John Cordes Halifax, Nova Scotia On [2011-11-13 at 09:55am] sara5d <sara5d@optonline.net> wrote: > Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full > Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. > > I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It > gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not > alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial > (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle > initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. > > Also, if I go in a later time, it no longer gives me what I already knew was > there (from a previous visit). > > How can I refine my searches to the place I expect them to be? > And is there a way to save resources (census, trees etc) so that I can go > directly back to them? > > Seems like I must already know the full name, birth/death date and place, > plus who they married, in order to search. If I knew that already, I > wouldn't need Ancestry. > > Thanks for any and all help.

Well, duh!!! I went to Search All, and there was no drop down. Went to SHOW ADVANCED, and there was the drop down box you mention. I never went to Advanced before. What an idiot I am! I tried it, got everything I was expecting to see. Thank you, John, so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Cordes To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Navigating Ancestry Here are a couple of things I do; they may or may not be of any use to you. One idea is to selectively set various fields to be "Exact". You can even put something like mos* in the surname field and still set it to be "Exact" rather than default. It's the Default which allows for so many variations to appear. The other idea which I find quite useful on occasion is to enter something in the Keywords box -- probably half-way down the screen after all the name details. For example I might put "nova scotia" (incl. the quotes) in the Keywords box, and sometimes force it by checking the Exact box alongside. Hope this helps, John Cordes Halifax, Nova Scotia On [2011-11-13 at 09:55am] sara5d <sara5d@optonline.net> wrote: > Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full > Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. > > I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It > gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not > alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial > (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle > initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. > > Also, if I go in a later time, it no longer gives me what I already knew was > there (from a previous visit). > > How can I refine my searches to the place I expect them to be? > And is there a way to save resources (census, trees etc) so that I can go > directly back to them? > > Seems like I must already know the full name, birth/death date and place, > plus who they married, in order to search. If I knew that already, I > wouldn't need Ancestry. > > Thanks for any and all help. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Since our list is quiet, I would like to ask for some help. I have a full Ancestry subscription, but I am having a devil of a time navigating. I can put a full name in with the birth year, with state or province. It gives me all sorts of totally unrelated resources. These resources are not alphabetical. It becomes a nightmare to search. If I use a middle initial (instead of the full middle name), it gives me everyone with the middle initial; in spite of a totally different first name or even surname. Also, if I go in a later time, it no longer gives me what I already knew was there (from a previous visit). How can I refine my searches to the place I expect them to be? And is there a way to save resources (census, trees etc) so that I can go directly back to them? Seems like I must already know the full name, birth/death date and place, plus who they married, in order to search. If I knew that already, I wouldn't need Ancestry. Thanks for any and all help.

Thanks so much for this info Marilyn Pat

Here an update that may interest you Library and Archives Canada has launched a new database called Royal Canadian Navy Ledger Sheets. It provides access to records of individuals who served in the Canadian Navy from 1910 (when it was formed) to 1918. In total, about 16,800 people are listed. The database also has a list of those who enlisted between 1919 and 1941. A typical record lists the full name of the individual, service number, date and place of birth, occupation prior to joining the navy and a record reference number. The records can be searched by name or service number. The system supports wildcard searches. Access is free. http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/navyledgersheet/001102-100.01-e.php I got this off the IRELAND-GEN-NEWBIES mailing list. Marilyn Strout

**************************************************** UPDATE NEWSLETTER Number 42 - 1 November 2011 **************************************************** * OBJECTIVES. ********* * 1. The objective of this *Update Newsletter* is to itemize and publish monthly additions and changes to The *Canadian Gravemarker Gallery* website. * 2. The Main Objective of the *Canadian Gravemarker Gallery* website, is to collect and process COMPLETELY PHOTOGRAPHED cemeteries from across Canada. We place the photos online as a valuable free-access resource for genealogists, both professional and amateur. In addition, we have found that government agencies, monument companies, cemetery owners, funeral homes, and descendants of those buried also show a keen interest in our onboard cemeteries. * * .............................. *******BREAKING NEWS******** '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' * 1. We reiterate, on 25 May 2011, Canadian Genealogy lost a good friend with the passing of Scott Naylor, who was the Webmaster of the Ottawa Region Grave Marker website. In accordance with his wishes, his website and 10 years of hard work is being kept alive through merging with the Canadian Gravemarker Gallery at: http://www.gravemarkers.ca * 2. Thanks to the hard work done by our wonderful volunteers, so far we have converted and moved over 66% of the COMPLETELY PHOTOGRAPHED cemeteries from Scott Naylor's website to The Canadian Gravemarker Gallery. We are still hoping that the merge of the 294 cemeteries will be completed by 31 December 2011. * *NEW* HTML VERSION OF NEWSLETTER. ****************************** * 1. If you would like an HTML copy of the current Newsletter go to: http://www.gravemarkers.ca/htmlnews.htm * 2. For future AUTOMATIC monthly delivery of the HTML Newsletter directly to your "INBOX", you can SUBSCRIBE by clicking on the "JOIN UPDATES NEWSLETTER" button on the Front page at: http://www.gravemarkers.ca * * REMINDERS. ******** 1. If you know the Region of Canada where your ancestors are buried, please click the new "REGIONAL SEARCH ENGINES" button located off the Main Page at: http://www.gravemarkers.ca/graggle/index.htm and choose the Search Engine which will search a specific Canadian region for your ancestor. * 2. Please note the MAIN SEARCH ENGINE continues to search the entire website....!!!!!! * 3. For those kind and thoughtful folks who wish to give us a hand, please note that the "PAYPAL" Feature has recently been added to the Website. Click on the "ASSISTING WEBSITE" button on the front page. http://gravemarkers.ca * * COMPLETE CEMETERIES ADDED THIS MONTH FROM SCOTT NAYLOR'S WEBSITE. *************************************************************** * * PLEASE NOTE:::::::: The 1 November 2011 List of Cemeteries is too long to publish on this mailing list. * You can read or download the 1 November 2011 list at: http://www.gravemarkers.ca/htmlnews.htm * * CEMETERIES IN PROGRESS OR EXPECTED. ********************************* * 1. All COMPLETELY PHOTOGRAPHED cemeteries from the late Scott Naylor's Ottawa Area Website. * 2. British Columbia, Southern and Central Okanagan Region, several cemeteries. * 3. British Columbia, Vancouver Island, Tofino Cemetery, Morpheus Island. * 4 Central Ontario, Durham County, Various Cemeteries. * 5. Eastern Ontario, Northumberland County, Various Cemeteries. * 6. Northern Ontario, Nipissing District, North Bay, St. Mary's R.C., Being Updated now. * 7. Northern Ontario, Thunder Bay District, Thunder Bay, Mountainview Cemetery - Remaining Blocks. * 8. Northern Ontario, Muskoka District, Morrison Township, Mickle Cemetery. Re-photographed. * 9. Northern Ontario, Rainy River District, some cemeteries from Fort Frances. * 10. Northern Ontario, Cochrane District, Timmins Memorial is completely photographed. To be processed. 11. Southern Ontario, Peel Regional Municipality, Various Cemeteries. * 12. New Brunswick, Queens County several cemeteries. * 13. Prince Edward Island, Queen's County, various cemeteries. * 13. Newfoundland and Labrador, Lumsden Cemeteries. * OVERVIEW PROGRESS REPORT. ************************ * 1. Ontario, Renfrew County is completely online. * 2. Ontario, Nipissing District is completely online. * 3. Ontario, Parry Sound District is completely online. * 4. Ontario, Muskoka District is 95% online. * 5. Ontario, Sudbury District is 95% online. * 6. Ontario, Manitoulin District is 95% online. * 7. Ontario, Temiskaming District is 95% online. * 8. Ontario, Kenora District. Waiting for more cemeteries. * 9. Ontario, Rainy River District. Volunteers are continuing work on Fort Frances cemeteries. * 10. Ontario, Hastings County. Work continues on Hasting County cemeteries. * 11. British Columbia, Thompson-Okanagan Region. Additional cemeteries are being processed. * 12. Prince Edward Island. Waiting for volunteers to come forward. * * WEBSITE FOCUS. ************ * 1. At the *Canadian Gravemarker Gallery*, we can accommodate unlimited numbers of photographs of complete cemeteries from anywhere in Canada. The photographers and/or organizations are given credit on the website for their interest and hard work. * 2. The Canadian Gravemarker Gallery is the oldest and largest website displaying "ONLY COMPLETELY PHOTOGRAPHED cemeteries" in Canada. This non-sponsored, free-access National Site is proud to announce that there are over 1,200 cemeteries onboard, amounting to over 500,000 searchable photographs. There have been over 667,000 visitors to the site and each day there are over 200 folks browsing the site; and there are over 16,000 name searches each month. * 3. If you have family or friends ANYWHERE in Canada, who may be interested in photographing their local cemeteries, please inform them of the availability of The *Canadian Gravemarker Gallery*. Their COMPLETELY PHOTOGRAPHED cemeteries will have world wide exposure on this free-access National Cemetery Photograph website. * 4. If you and/or your organization are interested in your local cemeteries going online, please contact us at: info@gravemarkers.ca - there are no cemeteries too big or too small. They will be placed online at absolutely no cost to you...! * 5. A comprehensive "Tips and Hints" aide memoire in English or French is available. To help volunteers get started photographing entire Canadian cemeteries a copy of the memoire will be sent via email to all interested folks. * * SUBSCRIBING TO THE WEBSITE UPDATES HTML NEWSLETTER. ************************************************* * Don't miss future monthly updates. Subscribe to the automatic Gravemarker Galleries HTML Newsletter. Please go to the Website at: http://www.gravemarkers.ca and click on the "JOIN UPDATES NEWSLETTER" button located just above the weather row. * * HELPFUL HINTS - SUMMARY. ********************** * 1. Regional Search Engines. If you know what region in Canada your ancestors are buried, have you checked out the "REGIONAL SEARCH ENGINES"? This is a new feature available on the front page of the website at http://gravemarkers.ca * 2. Searching large cemeteries. All cemeteries with over 5,000 burials now have an exclusive search engine which will search only that cemetery! Scroll down the individual cemetery page watching for the "search box" and supporting narrative. * 3. Tracing female ancestors. Cemeteries online have spousal duplicated photographs. This means a photo of a stone which also has the spouse's maiden name showing, is duplicated and when one searches using the onboard search engine, for a surname, the spouse's surname will be reported as a separate "search result". * 4. Cemetery records. Over the past 11 years this website has been instrumental in breaking down many researchers' brick walls. In addition, many folks have travelled to cemeteries which are onboard, to personally and physically view the grave markers. Please note that on some cemeteries we have included the "record holders" contact information for the township, town or village cemetery. * 5. Missing cemeteries. If you don't see a Community and its' cemeteries online...it means we have not photographed the cemeteries in that area. Would you or some of your family or friends be interested in helping out by photographing your local cemeteries.? * * FEEDBACK ******* * We are always interested in feedback from Visitors to the website. If you have any questions or suggestions to improve the *Canadian Gravemarker Gallery* please do not hesitate to send your comments, concerns or suggestions to us at: info@gravemarkers.ca * * ********************************************* * Best regards.....Murray P l e t s c h * Cdn Gravemarker Gallery - http://gravemarkers.ca * *********************************************

Greetings: The PANB website was updated today, 21 October 2011. The website says: "We have added 9,922 digitized images of Death Certificates for 1927-1928." Happy Halloween and enjoy! Regards, G. Christian Larsen President - Pennfield Parish Military Historical Society Member of 250 RCAF (Saint John) Wing, AFAC Member of 2nd TAF Medium Bombers Association (Canadian Wing) Coordinator for Pennfield Parish website Coordinator for Lepreau Parish website Research Projects: Pennfield Ridge Air Station, A-30 Canadian Infantry Training Centre, CA (Camp Utopia) & Pennfield Parish veterans http://pennfieldridgeairstation.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbpennfi/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbleprea/

Greetings, This update is dedicated to "Sonny" McGarrigle who passed away 18 October 2011 and, for a period of time, served in the Canadian Armed Forces with the Black Watch. The Pennfield Parish website has been updated once again. Here is the listing of what is new: What's new, October 28, 2011 Church & Cemetery Record Pennfield Rural Cemetery - added obit. for Sonny McGarrigle. Military History Pennfield Ridge (Homesteading: 1935-1945) - updated with new information - thanks PPMHS! No.2 Air Navigation School (Remembering Those Who Served) - updated six (6) names with additional details for those stationed at the base. No.34 Operational Training Unit (Nominal Roll of Pupils) - updated class listings from Course No.1, Course No.2, Course No.9 and Course No.10 - thanks PPMHS! No.34 Operational Training Unit (Remembering Those Who Served) - added twenty-two (22) names and updated twenty-nine (29) name with additional details for those stationed at the base. To find additional information and/or links please see "What's New" section on the main page. Pennfield Parish Military Historical Society has partnered with New Brunswick Military History Museum, formerly known as the Canadian Forces Base Gagetown Military Museum. We will now be the official spokesman for Pennfield Ridge Air Station and A-30 Canadian Infantry Training Centre, CA (Camp Utopia). Regards, G. Christian Larsen President - Pennfield Parish Military Historical Society Member of 250 RCAF (Saint John) Wing, AFAC Member of 2nd TAF Medium Bombers Association (Canadian Wing) Coordinator for Pennfield Parish website Coordinator for Lepreau Parish website Research Projects: Pennfield Ridge Air Station, A-30 Canadian Infantry Training Centre, CA (Camp Utopia) & Pennfield Parish veterans http://pennfieldridgeairstation.blogspot.com/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbpennfi/ http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nbleprea/

Jared, thanks for all that information. I'm not good at navigating Ancestry. Looks to me like Howard is certainly the brother of Judson. However, the family trees are a mess of copying from each other. I double checked the census records for 1901 and 1911 for them, and they are not there, in spite of the source citation. Howard and Vira Mae probably indeed had those children in the family trees; they are just latched on to the wrong parents. Howard may be a prankster or running away from something. As far as I can tell, his mother is Eliza Brown. However, husband Joseph has a ten year gap in children which always leaves me uneasy. It is possible Joseph had two wives, both named Eliza. Joseph and Eliza never left NB. And of Joseph and Eliza's 9 children, seven of them died in NB, only Howard and his brother Charles are elusive to me. Thanks again for the help. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Handspicker More pieces... >From Maine Marriage records: Groom's Name: Crawford Howard Groom's Residence: Waterville, ME Bride's Name: Neal Mary Bride's Residence: Waterville, ME Marriage Date: 5 Mar 1919 Certificate: 0 Groom's Name: Crawford Howard Groom's Residence: Waterville, ME Bride's Name: Stevens May Bride's Residence: Waterville, ME Marriage Date: 5 Mar 1919 Certificate: 0 This fits with known info about "May"'s first marriage to Mr. Stevens. The 1919 marriage record that can be viewed, shows additional information that helps make this a NEAR perfect match: Howard Crawford m. May Stevens He was 33, she 23 Oddly, it shows his POB as East Lynn, MA, and hers as Fairfield (ME?) His first marriage, her second (widowed), so surely Florence was adopted? He listed his father as Joseph, also b. Lynn, MA, deceased. His mother listed as Eliza Rounds (or Pounds), also deceased, also b. Lynn, MA. She listed her parents as Harry neal, deceased, of Benton, ME, and Mary Allen, deceased, of Waterville, ME. So, I checked Lynn, MA records, for any Howard Crawford b. @1885. NOTHING! And, aside from 1920 census, nothing that matches, either. So, he MAY have been a bit of a trickster, or was trying to appear as if he was a US Citizen, when, in fact, he may not have yet been so! NOW, if we KNOW who Joseph married, and Eliza was a ROUNDS or POUNDS, and that fits the couple in NB, then I think a stronger case can now be made that your Howard emigrated around 1910 to the US, settling in ME, and died around 1951. and all the other data points previously mentioned. Jared

More pieces... >From Maine Marriage records: Groom's Name: Crawford Howard Groom's Residence: Waterville, ME Bride's Name: Neal Mary Bride's Residence: Waterville, ME Marriage Date: 5 Mar 1919 Certificate: 0 Groom's Name: Crawford Howard Groom's Residence: Waterville, ME Bride's Name: Stevens May Bride's Residence: Waterville, ME Marriage Date: 5 Mar 1919 Certificate: 0 This fits with known info about "May"'s first marriage to Mr. Stevens. The 1919 marriage record that can be viewed, shows additional information that helps make this a NEAR perfect match: Howard Crawford m. May Stevens He was 33, she 23 Oddly, it shows his POB as East Lynn, MA, and hers as Fairfield (ME?) His first marriage, her second (widowed), so surely Florence was adopted? He listed his father as Joseph, also b. Lynn, MA, deceased. His mother listed as Eliza Rounds (or Pounds), also deceased, also b. Lynn, MA. She listed her parents as Harry neal, deceased, of Benton, ME, and Mary Allen, deceased, of Waterville, ME. So, I checked Lynn, MA records, for any Howard Crawford b. @1885. NOTHING! And, aside from 1920 census, nothing that matches, either. So, he MAY have been a bit of a trickster, or was trying to appear as if he was a US Citizen, when, in fact, he may not have yet been so! NOW, if we KNOW who Joseph married, and Eliza was a ROUNDS or POUNDS, and that fits the couple in NB, then I think a stronger case can now be made that your Howard emigrated around 1910 to the US, settling in ME, and died around 1951. and all the other data points previously mentioned. Jared > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sara5d > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > Suzanne > I looked at him as well. But backing up to the 1920 census it says his > family was from Quebec. At least I 'think' this is the right one. Was > he goofing around with the census people? > > 1920 Census, Auburn Ward 1, Androscoggin, Maine > Howard A Crawford 35, born in Massachusetts; father in Quebec; mother > in Quebec > May V Crawford 27, born ME, ME, ?? > Florence M Crawford 8 > Howard R Crawford 0 [3/12] > > Thanks for looking at this. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Carter > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > Was his wife's name Vira? If so , he went to Maine in 1910. Here he is > in > the 1930 census... > Name: Howard Crawford Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: > Portland, > Cumberland, Maine Gender: Male Age: 44 Marital Status: Married Race: > White > Birthplace: Canada Estimated Birth Year: 1886 Immigration Year: 1910 > Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Canada > Mother's > Birthplace: Canada Enumeration District Number: 0038 Family Number: > 127 > Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Line Number: 32 NARA Publication: T626, > roll 830 > Film Number: 2340565 Digital Folder Number: 4584730 Image Number: > 00944 > HouseholdGenderAge Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 > Child > Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford > F 6 > Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 > Source - www.familysearch.org > > > Hope this is him, > Suzanne Carter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> > To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" <NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:56 AM > Subject: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > > Howard Crawford is found in Queens County, born about 1885, son of > Joseph > > and Eliza Crawford. He appears with his parents through the 1901 > census. > > After that, I lose him. > > > > Does any one know if he died or where he relocated? > > > > Also, does any one have the death dates for his parents? > > > > Thanks for any potential leads. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker jedh@jedh.com "If you think you've lost your mind, then you must have found it again, else you'd have no idea you'd lost it in the first place." - JWH

On his WWI Draft record, he listed himself born in Canada (so at LEAST MA is wrong, as 1920 would have been the ONLY time he listed himself born in Massachusetts! What is ALSO interesting is Florence b. @1912 according to this 1920 census. If so, she must have either been born to Vira by another husband (Mr. Stevens?), and adopted, OR, born to Howard by a previous wife? Quite puzzling! And, yes, many who said "Canada" when giving POB to enumerators were listed as b. Quebec, and vice versa. The joys of counting on enumerators for accuracy is not one often found! Jared > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sara5d > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > Suzanne > I looked at him as well. But backing up to the 1920 census it says his > family was from Quebec. At least I 'think' this is the right one. Was > he goofing around with the census people? > > 1920 Census, Auburn Ward 1, Androscoggin, Maine > Howard A Crawford 35, born in Massachusetts; father in Quebec; mother > in Quebec > May V Crawford 27, born ME, ME, ?? > Florence M Crawford 8 > Howard R Crawford 0 [3/12] > > Thanks for looking at this. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Suzanne Carter > To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > Was his wife's name Vira? If so , he went to Maine in 1910. Here he is > in > the 1930 census... > Name: Howard Crawford Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: > Portland, > Cumberland, Maine Gender: Male Age: 44 Marital Status: Married Race: > White > Birthplace: Canada Estimated Birth Year: 1886 Immigration Year: 1910 > Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Canada > Mother's > Birthplace: Canada Enumeration District Number: 0038 Family Number: > 127 > Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Line Number: 32 NARA Publication: T626, > roll 830 > Film Number: 2340565 Digital Folder Number: 4584730 Image Number: > 00944 > HouseholdGenderAge Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 > Child > Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford > F 6 > Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 > Source - www.familysearch.org > > > Hope this is him, > Suzanne Carter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> > To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" <NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:56 AM > Subject: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > > > Howard Crawford is found in Queens County, born about 1885, son of > Joseph > > and Eliza Crawford. He appears with his parents through the 1901 > census. > > After that, I lose him. > > > > Does any one know if he died or where he relocated? > > > > Also, does any one have the death dates for his parents? > > > > Thanks for any potential leads. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker jedh@jedh.com "If you think you've lost your mind, then you must have found it again, else you'd have no idea you'd lost it in the first place." - JWH

----- Original Message ----- From: sara5d To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens Suzanne I looked at him as well. But backing up to the 1920 census it says his family was from Quebec. At least I 'think' this is the right one. Was he goofing around with the census people? 1920 Census, Auburn Ward 1, Androscoggin, Maine Howard A Crawford 35, born in Massachusetts; father in Quebec; mother in Quebec May V Crawford 27, born ME, ME, ?? Florence M Crawford 8 Howard R Crawford 0 [3/12] Thanks for looking at this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Carter To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens Was his wife's name Vira? If so , he went to Maine in 1910. Here he is in the 1930 census... Name: Howard Crawford Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Portland, Cumberland, Maine Gender: Male Age: 44 Marital Status: Married Race: White Birthplace: Canada Estimated Birth Year: 1886 Immigration Year: 1910 Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Canada Mother's Birthplace: Canada Enumeration District Number: 0038 Family Number: 127 Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Line Number: 32 NARA Publication: T626, roll 830 Film Number: 2340565 Digital Folder Number: 4584730 Image Number: 00944 HouseholdGenderAge Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 Child Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford F 6 Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 Source - www.familysearch.org Hope this is him, Suzanne Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" <NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > Howard Crawford is found in Queens County, born about 1885, son of Joseph > and Eliza Crawford. He appears with his parents through the 1901 census. > After that, I lose him. > > Does any one know if he died or where he relocated? > > Also, does any one have the death dates for his parents? > > Thanks for any potential leads. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jared, You are on to something. I looked at the Draft card, but didn't pick up a wife Vira. I'll go back and look again. Guess this is not the time of day for me to be researching. As I told Suzanne, I dismissed Howard and wife Vira in 1920 because of where he said he was from. He is definitely a son of Joseph and Eliza; and a brother to Judson. There are only a few in the Crawford family that used Judson as a given or middle name. I also saw the 1919 marriage, but not with that wife. I must be really really tired. Ron and Debbie Cross should know; they are from Joseph and Eliza. Maybe they will add their two cents! Thanks to both Jared and Suzanne. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jared Handspicker Howard Alexander Crawford, b. 28-Aug-1883, Canada, per 1917 WWI Draft registration, m. Vira Mae Neal, and died 18-Oct-1951, in Maine, USA. He was SUPPOSEDLY a son of Judson B. Crawford, so a very interesting puzzle!!! I'm thinking, when he listed Judson as POC on his WWI Draft Reg, he was referrring to his brother. The Howard shown as son of Joseph, was b. 28-Aug-1885, per 1901 census. he had a BROTHER named Judson, but a son of Joseph. The Howard in question (son of Joseph and Eliza) appears with his family in 1891 census for Canning, Queens Co, NB, and, again in 1901, he is still in Canning. Joseph b. NB 25-Aug-1832 Eliza(beth) b. 08-May-1838, NB On his WWI Draft Registration, he listed Judson B. Crawford of Minto, N.B. as his nearest relative. He (Howard) was living in Waterville, Kennebec Co, ME in 1917/18 timeframe. Some family trees listed Howard as son of Judson B., and listed his POB as Ontario, but that doesn't fit with any Ontario records. He surely married Vira Mae Neal on 05-Mar-1919 in Maine. 1930 US Census for Portland, Cumberland Co, ME: Head Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 Child Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford F 6 Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 Shows he came to US in 1910, which would fit with not being listed in 1911 census. Name: Howard A. CRAWFORD (son) Date of Death: Tuesday, 28 Nov. 1989 Place of Death: Portland, Me. Age: 70 years VIra was b. 1892, Waterville, ME She first married to Fred D. Stevens, on 23-Nov-1912, Oakland, Kennebec Co, ME. She was d/o Benjamin F. Neal and Mary F. UNK. > Was his wife's name Vira? If so , he went to Maine in 1910. Here he is in > the 1930 census... > Name: Howard Crawford Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: > Portland, > Cumberland, Maine Gender: Male Age: 44 Marital Status: Married Race: White > Birthplace: Canada Estimated Birth Year: 1886 Immigration Year: 1910 > Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Canada > Mother's > Birthplace: Canada Enumeration District Number: 0038 Family Number: 127 > Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Line Number: 32 NARA Publication: T626, roll > 830 > Film Number: 2340565 Digital Folder Number: 4584730 Image Number: 00944 > HouseholdGenderAge Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 Child > Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford F 6 > Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 > Source - www.familysearch.org > > > Hope this is him, > Suzanne Carter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> > To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" <NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:56 AM > Subject: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > > >> Howard Crawford is found in Queens County, born about 1885, son of >> Joseph >> and Eliza Crawford. He appears with his parents through the 1901 >> census. >> After that, I lose him. >> >> Does any one know if he died or where he relocated? >> >> Also, does any one have the death dates for his parents? >> >> Thanks for any potential leads. >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List Announcements can be found at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm > List home page at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------ Jared "Jed" Handspicker jedh@jedh.com "If you think you've lost your mind, then you must have found it again, else you'd have no idea you'd lost it in the first place." - JWH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzanne I looked at him as well. But backing up to the 1920 census it says his family was from Quebec. At least I 'think' this is the right one. Was he goofing around with the census people? 1920 Census, Auburn Ward 1, Androscoggin, Maine Howard A Crawford 35, born in Massachusetts; father in Quebec; mother in Quebec May V Crawford 27, born ME, ME, ?? Florence M Crawford 8 Howard R Crawford 0 [3/12] Thanks for looking at this. ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne Carter To: newbrunswick@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens Was his wife's name Vira? If so , he went to Maine in 1910. Here he is in the 1930 census... Name: Howard Crawford Event: Census Event Date: 1930 Event Place: Portland, Cumberland, Maine Gender: Male Age: 44 Marital Status: Married Race: White Birthplace: Canada Estimated Birth Year: 1886 Immigration Year: 1910 Relationship to Head of Household: Head Father's Birthplace: Canada Mother's Birthplace: Canada Enumeration District Number: 0038 Family Number: 127 Sheet Number and Letter: 6A Line Number: 32 NARA Publication: T626, roll 830 Film Number: 2340565 Digital Folder Number: 4584730 Image Number: 00944 HouseholdGenderAge Howard Crawford M 44 Spouse Vira Crawford F 38 Child Howard Crawford M 10 Child Clarence Crawford M 8 Child Hazel Crawford F 6 Child Margaret Crawford F 4 Child Mildred Crawford F 1 Source - www.familysearch.org Hope this is him, Suzanne Carter ----- Original Message ----- From: "sara5d" <sara5d@optonline.net> To: "NewBrunswick@rootsweb.com" <NEWBRUNSWICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:56 AM Subject: [ NB ] Howard Crawford, b1885, Queens > Howard Crawford is found in Queens County, born about 1885, son of Joseph > and Eliza Crawford. He appears with his parents through the 1901 census. > After that, I lose him. > > Does any one know if he died or where he relocated? > > Also, does any one have the death dates for his parents? > > Thanks for any potential leads. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Announcements can be found at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcharlo/nblistann.htm List home page at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/CAN/NewBrunswick.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEWBRUNSWICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for family of Eugene Gilbert Antoine Young who died in 1943 while flying with the Royal Air force Ferry Command. He lived in Moncton, NB with his mother Annie and two sisters, Hazel and Constance. Also, had two brothers (Earl and Robert) who died during the War. Mother was Johanna (Annie) Donnelly and father Gilbert Young b. 1891 and was a barber. Thank you.