On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <ckealy@ozemail.com.au <mailto:ckealy@ozemail.com.au>> messaged > Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch > > Hello listers, > > Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. > > Thanking you > > Chris > > in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=q0_b30PvdioO_KcCvK0H5Zl-jVc5rdUCBinZ08rSmx4&e= According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=6qeJ1Be6JMKKU0Lo8z4Na6eS6IyidKJT-XYcNPQ6EHI&e= This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=Vnc_00lzCjqYUo4a2gmj4as4kL6sj-EgcbSK6v4faB0&e= It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=fPJJUvUzQ1zbABpCL1fASl34mkebxPN_PJikwOtrUfU&e= The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. > Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

Thank you to all listers who helped with this and special thanks to Graham who tied various pieces together and came up with definitive facts about place of birth. Well this has sorted things nicely as this Charlotte Kerr from Antrim doesn't belong to my family. Now back to my brickwall! Thanks again, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hoult To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Cc: Chris Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> messaged Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch Hello listers, Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. Thanking you Chris in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=g1S0WW7BlGnUPaEqTTTIKTuWMLm2HsCkBKuZWa2oQ_s&e= According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=TCxbiMgMIlsYzQONsjZeXTueI6EcpXVcdtykOOOeHF4&e= This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=h-lfUQR1F1cRZ3mDJ9mt08rRViUSZWDUvgCZPH5XtFg&e= It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=3tGsG0iTgX5GB99KkXRiP3koIIk_ALhxeRjQ93S2SkQ&e= The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury