oops sorry – in the query below I say that some trees have Sarah GORDON. GORDON has nothing to do with it, the trees have her as BARNES not GORDON. I confused my self with non-related stuff I was looking at. peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 8:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Captain William Henry KIDDEY, son of Sarah BARNES Has anyone found a birth / baptism for Sarah BARNES born at Shaftesbury Dorestor perhaps Cann in Dorset circa 1815 / 1816? I’m having no luck. Shaftesbury and Cann are next to each other. I was looking for someone in the old kiwi papers and came across a Captain William Henry KIDDEY reference at Christchurch which intrigued me because that’s my brother-in-law’s surname. I wondered if they were connected and after investigation I found that they were, the Captain being his great-grandfather. I asked him if he knew about him and he said he had heard of him because a relation had been looking into the family tree say about 30 years ago, but he couldn’t remember much about it. Captain KIDDEY was born 1839 at Rotherhithe in London to Matthew KIDDEY, who was born at Pocklington in Yorkshire, and Sarah BARNES. Matthew’s father appears to be Alexander KIDDEY who was from Fisher Row in Scotland according to the 1851 census. There’s a number of Fisher Row as streets in Scotland but the community that stands out is the seashore community at Musselburgh just east of Edinburgh, on the western side of the River Esk as it flows into the sea. KIDDEY as a version of the name seems pretty rare and the only possibility I can find to be Alexander in OPR is Alexander KIDD born 19 Feb 1753 at Inveresk & Musselburgh to James KIDD, a preacher, and Jean TAYLOR whose father George was a merchant in Aberdeen. James & Jean married at Inveresk & Musselbugh in 1751, James being ‘assistant’ to Alexander CARLYLE, who was the minister there from 1748 until his death in 1805. A candidate to be Jean is one baptised 1722 at Aberdeen to George TAYLOR and Janet ANDERSON. Another was at Kinneller further away in 1721. I can’t find others, although of course OPR in Scotland starts to get pretty thin that far back. There are quite a few trees at Ancestry.com with Matthew KIDDEY and his wife Sarah. Some name Sarah as Sarah KIDDEY and the odd one names her as Sarah GORDON, but none have more about her. They married 1837 at Rotherhithe which is on the southern side of the Thames between Bermondsey and Deptford. The marriage gives Sarah’s father as Job BARNES, a Carpenter. Census information tells us that Sarah was born about 1815/1816 at either Pocklington or at Shaftesbury in Dorset. Unfortunately I am unable to find a possible baptism for Sarah no matter how hard I try. However, I discovered that there was indeed a Job BARNES, a carpenter, living at Shaftesbury and married there to Maria FOYLE in 1813. They are in a few census enumerations. The combination of census info and OPR makes Job & Maria and their descendants fairly easy to find, in fact I became sick of the data entry. The births of their children were usually at either Shaftesbury or Cann, Cann being a large area immediately to the south of Shaftesbury. Having found them and then located lots of data, I then located trees with them, but none of those trees had Sarah and they are not comprehensive as to descendants. The locations Shaftesbury and Cann are an excellent identifier for these people and the more I look for other possibilities to be Sarah’s family (none) the more it becomes apparent that Job & Maria simply have to be the parents of Sarah as they are the only game in town. Two of Sarah’s brothers were called Uriah BARNES, the first dying at 8 months. Sarah had two sons called George Uriah KIDDEY, the first dying young. Sarah’s brother Francis Charles BARNES had his first son called Uriah Benjamin BARNES. Sarah kept the name Francis going with her son also Francis Charles who had a son Francis Thomas who had a son Francis William. Captain William Henry KIDDEY is a very interesting man. He and his wife Lydia PETHERBRIDGE after marriage at Lyttelton in 1871 had at least 14 children. He came from a large family himself of at least 10 children. While there are a number of KIDDEY trees online, I’m not sure if researchers have realised that at least five brothers to Captain William Henry KIDDEY also went to sea, some with the Royal Navy. The information can be found in census data and in navy records which can be ordered online at National Archives (Kew), plus documents at Ancestry.com which tell us that George Uriah KIDDEY was a sailor on a ship called NOVELTY in 1869 and that he died November 1870 at Gilroy, California, not far from San Francisco, when he drowned due to falling out of a small boat while duck-hunting. The NOVELTY at that period was making voyages between NZ and Australia and also went to San Francisco, as can be found at Papers Past. There is a truckload of items referencing Captain KIDDEY in the old kiwi newspapers. After he gave up the sea and married Lydia he ran a succession of at least six hotels at Lyttelton, Christchurch and West Oxford, his last being the British Hotel in Lyttelton which he gave up in 1894. He then became secretary to the LVA, the Licensed Victuallers’ Association, until his death in 1896. He was known as one of the foremost opponents of the prohibitionists who wanted bars closed down, Tommy Taylor and Reverend Len ISITT being particular targets. ISITT and four others, during the famous Sydenham licensing battle of 1891, with TAYLOR being a major organiser of the campaign, got themselves voted to the Sydenham licensing committee having pledged to shut down the bars of Sydenham. As licences came up for renewal they refused to renew them and were susequently taken to court by the liquor faction. The committee lost the case and also lost appeals. The problem for them was that they were legally obliged to consider each case on its merits in an impartial manner, not point blank refuse to issue licenses as part of a political agenda. The newspapers have these items following I get the feeling that ‘Citizen’ may well be Captain KIDDEY. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18941228.2.3.4?query="w h kiddey" Press, Volume LI, Issue 8987, 28 December 1894, p.1 Public Notices. CHALLENGE TO T. E. TAYLOR to PROVE the Statement he made in Cathedral square on Saturday Night that I kept a man to WATCH the POLICE on SUNDAYs. Stake £5 to £50. Lancashire law, no stake no wager. W. H. KIDDEY, 148 Cashel street https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18941228.2.9.7?query="w h kiddey" Press, Volume LI, Issue 8987, 28 December 1894, p.3 TO THE EDITOR OF THE PRESS. Sir,—With your permission I would point out a few of the mis-statements uttered by the party in charge of the cart-tail meeting in Cathedral square last Saturday night. . 1. Mr T. Wake stated there were sixty-five unlicensed bars in Christchurch. He is wrong, and should read the Licensing Act. 2. Mr T. E. Taylor stated W. H. Kiddey employed a man on Sundays to watch the police. He is wrong. 3. T. E. Taylor stated Kiddey gave away tickets for the Liberal Association. Wrong again. 4. T. E. Taylor stated that at the inquest recently held at the Zetland Arms, when a drunken man was passing with a horse Mr Beetham, Inspector Broham, Sergeant-Major Mason, Sergeant Barlow, Sergeant Briggs, and Constable Gough stood on the pavement arrayed like a lot of ornaments, and did not take the least notice until a prohibitionist called their attention, to the drunk, and that was the sort of people we had to pay for. 5. T. E. Taylor stated the greater portion of the money subscribed for Inspector Pender was given by the publicans. Wrong again. 6. L. M. Isitt presumed it was for services rendered. Spiteful. 7. L. M. Isitt stated that Mr W. W. Collins had raised a horse, and he presumed the publicans bought it for him. Wrong as far as the publicans are concerned, and doubtless Mr Collins is well able to answer for himself. The above are a few of the untruths stated by the prohibition party. The Rev. L. M. Isitt told the crowd to take a man by the neck and scruff him into the waggon. I don't think he ought to expect respect from the general public when he, a minister, gives vent to such an expression, especially at Christmas time, when ministers are supposed to preach "Peace on earth," &c—l am, &c, Citizen. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18950608.2.3.7 Press, Volume LII, Issue 9125, 8 June 1895, p.1 WANTED, the Names of the Forty Publicans in Christchurch that Mr ISITT stated at a Meeting in Amberley, on 3rd inst., were Blackguards and he could see Blackguardism Written on their Faces. Vide letter "Temperance v Intemperance," Press,7th June. W. H. KIDDEY, Sec. L.V.A., 135 Cashel street. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18960720.2.22?query=captain kiddey death Press, Volume LIII, Issue 9473, 20 July 1896, p.4 Prohibition League.—The usual weekly meeting of the Christchurch Prohibition League was held on Friday evening in the Congregational Schoolroom, which was crowded to excess. The Rev. J. Dawson occupied the chair. Mr Isitt said that he was sure that the League would hear with regret of the death of Captain Kiddey, which had occurred that day, though it would probably be regarded as out of place for the League to carry any formal resolution of sympathy with the bereaved. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ME18960721.2.5?query=captain kiddey death Mataura Ensign, Issue 165, 21 July 1896, p.2 The death is announced from Christchurch, of Captain Kiddey. The deceased was an ex-publican and secretary of the Canterbury Licensed Victuallers' Association. He had been a perpetual thorn in the side of the Prohibition party for several years, and was a powerful factor in all militant opposition offered to most of their demands. As the Rev. L. M. Isitt is to one party, so was Captain Kiddey to the other. I’ve done pretty well with these people but the lack of a baptism for Sarah BARNES is bugging me even though I am sure have the right family for her. Peter