Regarding the evidence for the HARVEY family on the ship WAIPA in 1877 being the MADDREN family who are reputed to have arrived at Lyttelton on it..... I think I have the marriage of James MADDREN’s parents, John & Elizabeth (Betsy) MADDRON, who lived at Newlyn in Paul parish which is not far from Penzance in Cornwall. Their first child John was baptised 27 Dec 1831 at Paul parish. England, Cornwall Parish Registers Baptisms Solemnised in the parish of Paul in the County of Cornwall in the Year 1831 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTJ7-XKQ Baptism 27 Dec 1831 John, son of John & Elizh MADDERN, abode Newlyn, Fisherman, ceremony by __? GURNEY, Curate This marriage fits beautifully, with Elizabeth’s maiden name as HARVEY. There isn’t an alternative marriage in terms of time and place. http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1160407 Marriage 30 Jan 1831, Paul parish, by Banns John MADDRAN, of this parish (signed) Elizabeth HARVEY, of this parish (signed) Witnesses, Charles HARVEY (mark), Richd. PENTREATH This is the baptism for James who came to NZ.. England, Cornwall Parish Registers Baptisms Solemnised in the parish of Paul in the County of Cornwall in the Year 1844 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTJ7-332 Baptism 10 May 1844 James, son of John & Betsy MADDERN, abode Newlyn, Fisherman, ceremony by __? GURNEY, Curate Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MADDREN versus HARVEY I’ve been looking at my brother-in-law’s grandmother’s people called MADDREN in Christchurch who came from Cornwall, especially James MADDREN & Eliza Jane PEARCE who are reported to have brought their young family from the Penzance area of Cornwall to Canterbury on the chip WAIPA which arrived Lyttelton on 25 Jan 1877. The obituary for James and another for one of his sons mention about arrival by the ship WAIPA, and that info is repeated on the MacDonald Index card for James MADDREN at Canterbury Museum. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19090712.2.66?query=maddren Star, Issue 9592, 12 July 1909, p.3 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN James below is the son of James above. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19310630.2.144?query="charles maddren" Press, Volume LXVII, Issue 20276, 30 June 1931, p.15 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN The obit for James senior states that, “He came to New Zealand by the ship Waipa in 1877, landing with his wife and five sons, one of whom was born on the day the ship entered harbour, on January 25.” There seems to be a bit of confusion for researchers about the ins and outs of this family and relations in total but what I’ve worked out is that James had two brothers and a sister who also came out to NZ – they can be found in shipping pax lists plus James’ obit states that he had two brothers and a sister in NZ. James and his brothers in NZ were rope makers with James in particular working for a firm in that line then setting up a similar and successful business in which he involved his sons. There were seven siblings in Cornwall altogether, their parents being John, a fisherman, and Elizabeth/Betsy MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON who lived at Newlyn in Paul parish, very near Penzance. The surname name varies in Cornwall but the spelling MADDREN is consistent in NZ. Of the siblings, James and family came to NZ in 1877, Richard & wife and child born at sea came to NZ in 1879 on the ship BOYNE, and John and Bessie, who had stayed with their mother Betsy until her death in 1895, came out to NZ in 1908 on the ship RUAPEHU. These people can be found buried in Addington and Sydenham cemeteries as well as other relations. Siblings who remained in Cornwall were Jane, Louisa and William. It looks like William had a sizeable family in Cornwall going by a couple of databases by other people. I don’t know what happened to Louisa or Jane but I haven’t looked hard yet. Maybe I should look in NZ, who knows. Now the problem I have. As I said above James & Eliza Jane and family are supposed to have arrived NZ in 1877 on the ship WAIPA......but there is no such MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON family on the WAIPA passenger list at Familysearch. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6D33-53D?i=4&cc=1609792 The nearest I can get is a family on the WAIPA called HARVEY arriving from Cornwall. The child who was supposedly born 25 Jan 1877 the day the ship arrived in the NZ BDMs is named Samuel Harvey MADDREN, parents James Harvey & Eliza Jane MADDREN. For subsequent births in NZ the parents are just James & Eliza Jane MADDREN. James’ brother Richard had two daughters called Elizabeth Harvey MADDREN, the first dying due to a tragic accident when young. The structure of the HARVEY family on the ship WAIPA is similar to that of the Cornwall-born family of James & Eliza Jane MADDREN to that point. Known MADDREN issue to James & Eliza Jane (they are in their correct birth order although I don’t have a couple of dates): William John MADDREN born Cornwall about 1870 James MADDREN born Cornwall about 1871 Richard MADDREN born Cornwall Charles MADDREN born Cornwall Samuel Harvey MADDREN born NZ (just) 25 Jan 1877 Joseph Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1879 Louisa Jane MADDREN born NZ 1881 Arnold Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1883 Ethel May MADDREN born NZ 1885 Ethel May is my brother-in-law’s grandmother. HARVEY family on the ship: James HARVEY 32 Cornwall Carpenter Jane HARVEY 29 John HARVEY 07 James HARVEY 05 Richard HARVEY 03 Charles HARVEY 01 So, doesn anyone know if in fact the HARVEY family is also the MADDREN family? For it to work, Eliza Jane the MADDREN mother has to be known familiarly as Jane, and her eldest son William John has to be known familiarly as John. Another problem is that James was a rope maker in Cornwall which is also what he did in NZ, but on the ship James HARVEY is a carpenter. Could have described himself as having an occupation wanted in the colonies to ensure selection for an assisted passage? I am unable to find a suitable MADDREN family on another ship, and the above coincidence of similar families is not quite good enough to feel confident about it, so I’m hoping someone will have inside knowledge. Peter