Greetings all, I have just read a newpaper report in the Evening Post, dated 10 January 1879 re the immigrants who arrived aboard the Fernglen. The article starts with, “It appears to us,” and then goes on to be very offensive re the people aboard the Fernglen. I.E. ...,but many of the passengers, both male and female, are stunted in figure and weak in physique, and not over-cleanly in their personal appearance. Some even had a look of squalor, while in general they presented stolidity of appearance and a singular lack of intelligence in their faces, as if they had come from the most ignorant and half-starved quarters of the United Kingdom. We do not want the dregs ...” and so it goes on. The article is not signed and I wonder who the “us” could be? My son-in-law had family aboard this ship so I feel obligated to try to find out more about the article. I have never come across anything quite like this before so any advice would be most gratefully received. Marlene --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Yes quite a shock at the language and tone of an unrestrained journalist whose article was, no doubt, endorsed by the editor. Interesting putting Peter's research into context- very few 2nd and 3rd class cabins! Perhaps these immigrants weren't from rural communities, could afford 1st class fares, and perhaps their pallor showed either sea sickness or not enough time in the outside weather. Whatever is the case, the writing is demeaning and offensive. thank you for drawing this to the attention of the list Chris Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: [nz] Query re newspaper shipping report 1879 > Greetings all, > I have just read a newpaper report in the Evening Post, dated 10 January > 1879 re the immigrants who arrived aboard the Fernglen. > The article starts with, “It appears to us,” and then goes on to be very > offensive re the people aboard the Fernglen. > I.E. ...,but many of the passengers, both male and female, are stunted in > figure and weak in physique, and not over-cleanly in their personal > appearance. Some even had a look of squalor, while in general they > presented stolidity of appearance and a singular lack of intelligence in > their faces, as if they had come from the most ignorant and half-starved > quarters of the United Kingdom. We do not want the dregs ...” and so it > goes on. > The article is not signed and I wonder who the “us” could be? > My son-in-law had family aboard this ship so I feel obligated to try to > find out more about the article. > I have never come across anything quite like this before so any advice > would be most gratefully received. > > Marlene > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Crikey. I haven't see that article before. My great grandmother Annie MAHONY and her sisters Elizabeth and Ellen from Tipperary were on board the Fernglen. They got off at Nelson and travelled immediately to Reefton. The Fernglen continued to the North Island. At Reefton as they arrived in the main drag they saw a solitary mourner on foot following a dray with a coffin heading for the cemetery. Annie married the mourner in 1886. He was Sam FURNESS a gold miner from Westmorland county in England. The man in the coffin was his brother George, also a gold miner, who had taken his own life on New Year's eve. An inquest was carried out before he could be buried. Sam lied abut his age when they married, said he was 42. He was actually 50 by then, twice Annie's age. It didnd't stop him from making up for lost time though, as he fathered nine children before he fell of the twig at 66. Elizabeth MAHONY married ,in 1880 at Reefton, Stewart MONTEITH of Monteiths' brewing fame whose operation was at Reefton. Stewart was buried at Reefton in 1921. Most of their family went to New South Wales afterwards including Elizabeth. Their daughter Tillie became a solicitor which was unusual back then (Matilda Jane MONTEITH). http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Grey River Argus, 15 June 1907, Page 2 PERSONAL ITEMS. The Wellington Post of Monday has the following about a talented young Reefton lady:— "Miss Matilda MONTEITH appeared as a solicitor at the civil sittings of the Magistrate's Court this morning, and had the unique experience of being the first lady to take a seat at the Bar in the Lower Court in Wellington. Miss MONTEITH, in asking for an adjournment of a case on behalf of Messrs Lewey and Mackenzie, was congratulated by Dr. McArthur, S.M., on her first appearance at the Bar. His Worship said they hoped they would see Miss MONTEITH frequently. Miss MONTEITH was admitted as a solicitor at Hokitika. Ellen MAHONY married Mattie LOUBERE. Some info: 02 Jan 1879 Sisters Annie MAHONY [1886=Samuel FURNESS], Elizabeth MAHONY [1880=Stewart MONTEITH] and Ellen MAHONY [1885=Matthew LOUBERE], arrive at Nelson on the ‘FERNGLEN’. A younger sister is supposed to have emigrated to America (husband Jonas?). According to the ‘Fernglen papers’[ National Archives 1M 5/4/31-32 no.370 ] the FERNGLEN left Plymouth England 12/10/1878 and arrived Nelson 02/01/1879. The ‘FERNGLEN’ was sent on to Wellington/Wanganui as there was little demand for labourers on the West Coast of the Middle Island except for those who had friends to receive them. The original number bound for Westland was 124 but only 38 arrived at Westland. Health good, no sickness worth mentioning. Conduct good especially single girls. Average school attendance 30. Further papers [ National Archives Wellington IM 15/335 - IM 5/4/31, no370 ] - The contract per statute adult was £14-7-6. There were 143 passengers - 64 adult males, 48 adult females, 14 boys, 12 girls, 4 male infants & 1 female infant. The passengers included Eliza MAHONY (21), Anne [sic]MAHONY (17) & Ellen MAHONY (16), all ‘General Servants’ from Co. Tipperary. Remarks : “Greymouth 546” (???). http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 309, 2 January 1879, Page 3 ARRIVAL OF THE FERNGLEN. "The New Zealand Shipping Co.'s chartered ship FERNGLEN, Captain FRASER, arrived off Nelson this morning with 250 Government immigrants for Nelson and the West Coast. She left Plymouth on 12th October, and has, therefore, made a quick run of 82 days. Definite information having been received by the Government that there was no demand for the immigrants at Nelson or the West Coast, instructions were telegraphed this afternoon from the Immigration Office for the ship not to stop at Nelson, but to come on immediately to Wellington. The 140 immigrants who were bound for the West Coast of the South Island will be forwarded Instead to Wanganui and the remainder will easily be absorbed by Wellington. We understand that all is well on board. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 311, 4 January 1879, Page 2 The ship FERNGLEN which arrived at Nelson from Plymouth, with immigrants, on Thursday morning, and was ordered to proceed to Wellington, left at 10 p.m. same day. As the wind has not been favorable for her, it will probably be to-morrow before she makes our harbor. White Wings Illustrations appearing in 'White Wings Fifty Years of Sail in the New Zealand Trade, 1850-1900' Vol. 1 by Henry Brett. Auckland: The Brett Printing Company, Limited, Publishers, Shortland Street, 1924. Reprint by Caper Press Christchurch, NZ from the copy in the University of Christchurch Library 1976. ...Fernglen in port p.283 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 362, 7 March 1879, Page 1 THE NEW ZEALAND SHIPPING COMPANY'S LINE Head Office: Christchurch, N.Z. London Branch: 84 Bishops-gate-street Within.WOOL SEASON, 1878-9. FOURTH WOOL SHIP FOR LONDON DIRECT, SAILING ON OR ABOUT THE 15th MARCH. The splendid iron clipper ship FERNGLEN, 100 Al, 818 tons register, Wa???r Frazer, Commander. This magnificent vessel, built specially for the Now Zealand passenger trade, has a splendid saloon, and her state cabins are superbly fitted and provided with every requisite for the comfort of passengers. A limited number of second and third-class passengers will be taken, who will have superior accommodation provided for them. The dietary scale is most liberal. Rates of freight on dumped wool — greasy, 5/8d per lb; washed, 3/4d per lb; and 1/4d extra for undumped. For freight or passage, apply at the office of the Company, Custom House Quay. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 372, 19 March 1879, Page 2 BY TELEGRAPH. Napier, 18th March. The ship Fernglen, for London, left our harbor shortly before eight o'clock this morning, With a strong N.W. wind. She was in good trim, and, no doubt, will make a quick run home. Peter +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz] Query re newspaper shipping report 1879 Greetings all, I have just read a newpaper report in the Evening Post, dated 10 January 1879 re the immigrants who arrived aboard the Fernglen. The article starts with, “It appears to us,” and then goes on to be very offensive re the people aboard the Fernglen. I.E. ...,but many of the passengers, both male and female, are stunted in figure and weak in physique, and not over-cleanly in their personal appearance. Some even had a look of squalor, while in general they presented stolidity of appearance and a singular lack of intelligence in their faces, as if they had come from the most ignorant and half-starved quarters of the United Kingdom. We do not want the dregs ...” and so it goes on. The article is not signed and I wonder who the “us” could be? My son-in-law had family aboard this ship so I feel obligated to try to find out more about the article. I have never come across anything quite like this before so any advice would be most gratefully received. Marlene

I think there was a lot of discrimination against the Irish and not all of it was justified. I think you have to put it down to ignorance. Peter, do you have any information about where your Mahoney sisters lived in Tipperary. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Dillon Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2017 7:39 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Query re newspaper shipping report 1879 Crikey. I haven't see that article before. My great grandmother Annie MAHONY and her sisters Elizabeth and Ellen from Tipperary were on board the Fernglen. They got off at Nelson and travelled immediately to Reefton. The Fernglen continued to the North Island. At Reefton as they arrived in the main drag they saw a solitary mourner on foot following a dray with a coffin heading for the cemetery. Annie married the mourner in 1886. He was Sam FURNESS a gold miner from Westmorland county in England. The man in the coffin was his brother George, also a gold miner, who had taken his own life on New Year's eve. An inquest was carried out before he could be buried. Sam lied abut his age when they married, said he was 42. He was actually 50 by then, twice Annie's age. It didnd't stop him from making up for lost time though, as he fathered nine children before he fell of the twig at 66. Elizabeth MAHONY married ,in 1880 at Reefton, Stewart MONTEITH of Monteiths' brewing fame whose operation was at Reefton. Stewart was buried at Reefton in 1921. Most of their family went to New South Wales afterwards including Elizabeth. Their daughter Tillie became a solicitor which was unusual back then (Matilda Jane MONTEITH). http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Grey River Argus, 15 June 1907, Page 2 PERSONAL ITEMS. The Wellington Post of Monday has the following about a talented young Reefton lady:— "Miss Matilda MONTEITH appeared as a solicitor at the civil sittings of the Magistrate's Court this morning, and had the unique experience of being the first lady to take a seat at the Bar in the Lower Court in Wellington. Miss MONTEITH, in asking for an adjournment of a case on behalf of Messrs Lewey and Mackenzie, was congratulated by Dr. McArthur, S.M., on her first appearance at the Bar. His Worship said they hoped they would see Miss MONTEITH frequently. Miss MONTEITH was admitted as a solicitor at Hokitika. Ellen MAHONY married Mattie LOUBERE. Some info: 02 Jan 1879 Sisters Annie MAHONY [1886=Samuel FURNESS], Elizabeth MAHONY [1880=Stewart MONTEITH] and Ellen MAHONY [1885=Matthew LOUBERE], arrive at Nelson on the ‘FERNGLEN’. A younger sister is supposed to have emigrated to America (husband Jonas?). According to the ‘Fernglen papers’[ National Archives 1M 5/4/31-32 no.370 ] the FERNGLEN left Plymouth England 12/10/1878 and arrived Nelson 02/01/1879. The ‘FERNGLEN’ was sent on to Wellington/Wanganui as there was little demand for labourers on the West Coast of the Middle Island except for those who had friends to receive them. The original number bound for Westland was 124 but only 38 arrived at Westland. Health good, no sickness worth mentioning. Conduct good especially single girls. Average school attendance 30. Further papers [ National Archives Wellington IM 15/335 - IM 5/4/31, no370 ] - The contract per statute adult was £14-7-6. There were 143 passengers - 64 adult males, 48 adult females, 14 boys, 12 girls, 4 male infants & 1 female infant. The passengers included Eliza MAHONY (21), Anne [sic]MAHONY (17) & Ellen MAHONY (16), all ‘General Servants’ from Co. Tipperary. Remarks : “Greymouth 546” (???). http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 309, 2 January 1879, Page 3 ARRIVAL OF THE FERNGLEN. "The New Zealand Shipping Co.'s chartered ship FERNGLEN, Captain FRASER, arrived off Nelson this morning with 250 Government immigrants for Nelson and the West Coast. She left Plymouth on 12th October, and has, therefore, made a quick run of 82 days. Definite information having been received by the Government that there was no demand for the immigrants at Nelson or the West Coast, instructions were telegraphed this afternoon from the Immigration Office for the ship not to stop at Nelson, but to come on immediately to Wellington. The 140 immigrants who were bound for the West Coast of the South Island will be forwarded Instead to Wanganui and the remainder will easily be absorbed by Wellington. We understand that all is well on board. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 311, 4 January 1879, Page 2 The ship FERNGLEN which arrived at Nelson from Plymouth, with immigrants, on Thursday morning, and was ordered to proceed to Wellington, left at 10 p.m. same day. As the wind has not been favorable for her, it will probably be to-morrow before she makes our harbor. White Wings Illustrations appearing in 'White Wings Fifty Years of Sail in the New Zealand Trade, 1850-1900' Vol. 1 by Henry Brett. Auckland: The Brett Printing Company, Limited, Publishers, Shortland Street, 1924. Reprint by Caper Press Christchurch, NZ from the copy in the University of Christchurch Library 1976. ...Fernglen in port p.283 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 362, 7 March 1879, Page 1 THE NEW ZEALAND SHIPPING COMPANY'S LINE Head Office: Christchurch, N.Z. London Branch: 84 Bishops-gate-street Within.WOOL SEASON, 1878-9. FOURTH WOOL SHIP FOR LONDON DIRECT, SAILING ON OR ABOUT THE 15th MARCH. The splendid iron clipper ship FERNGLEN, 100 Al, 818 tons register, Wa???r Frazer, Commander. This magnificent vessel, built specially for the Now Zealand passenger trade, has a splendid saloon, and her state cabins are superbly fitted and provided with every requisite for the comfort of passengers. A limited number of second and third-class passengers will be taken, who will have superior accommodation provided for them. The dietary scale is most liberal. Rates of freight on dumped wool — greasy, 5/8d per lb; washed, 3/4d per lb; and 1/4d extra for undumped. For freight or passage, apply at the office of the Company, Custom House Quay. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Evening Post, Volume XVII, Issue 372, 19 March 1879, Page 2 BY TELEGRAPH. Napier, 18th March. The ship Fernglen, for London, left our harbor shortly before eight o'clock this morning, With a strong N.W. wind. She was in good trim, and, no doubt, will make a quick run home. Peter +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz] Query re newspaper shipping report 1879 Greetings all, I have just read a newpaper report in the Evening Post, dated 10 January 1879 re the immigrants who arrived aboard the Fernglen. The article starts with, “It appears to us,” and then goes on to be very offensive re the people aboard the Fernglen. I.E. ...,but many of the passengers, both male and female, are stunted in figure and weak in physique, and not over-cleanly in their personal appearance. Some even had a look of squalor, while in general they presented stolidity of appearance and a singular lack of intelligence in their faces, as if they had come from the most ignorant and half-starved quarters of the United Kingdom. We do not want the dregs ...” and so it goes on. The article is not signed and I wonder who the “us” could be? My son-in-law had family aboard this ship so I feel obligated to try to find out more about the article. I have never come across anything quite like this before so any advice would be most gratefully received. Marlene The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Peter, Chris and Christine for your replies to my query. I guess I’ll put it down to a journalist being rather provocative. Marlene From: Peter Dillon Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2017 7:39 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Query re newspaper shipping report 1879 Crikey. I haven't see that article before. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Marlene , perhaps the Nelsonians also didn't like the look of these passengers : Cheers, Ray the Fernglen <http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/name-419371.html> on January 2, 1879, arrived at Nelson with 225 emigrants, and landed only a few. Two days later she sailed for Wellington, arriving there on the 5th. The Wellington "Times," reporting her arrival, stated: "The ship called at Nelson, but as there was no demand for immigrants she came on to Wellington." On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings all, > I have just read a newpaper report in the Evening Post, dated 10 January > 1879 re the immigrants who arrived aboard the Fernglen. > The article starts with, “It appears to us,” and then goes on to be very > offensive re the people aboard the Fernglen. > I.E. ...,but many of the passengers, both male and female, are stunted in > figure and weak in physique, and not over-cleanly in their personal > appearance. Some even had a look of squalor, while in general they > presented stolidity of appearance and a singular lack of intelligence in > their faces, as if they had come from the most ignorant and half-starved > quarters of the United Kingdom. We do not want the dregs ...” and so it > goes on. > The article is not signed and I wonder who the “us” could be? > My son-in-law had family aboard this ship so I feel obligated to try to > find out more about the article. > I have never come across anything quite like this before so any advice > would be most gratefully received. > > Marlene > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message