Oh sorry you've already got that I see... i'm in Perth in holiday mode but still on Auckland time....haven't woken up yet LOL! It doesn't appear he had anything to do with the AIF. Nice wee obituary for him on 'Trove' and states he enlisted 3 years previously in NZ long before him having to compulsory do so http://tinyurl.com/poxeur4 Cheers Sarndra -----Original Message----- From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM To: new-zealand Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? I can't find his AIF service record. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in France August 25 1918 A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he twice established the fastest time. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? ARNST, JOHN (JACK) Rank: Private Service No: 51967 Date of Death: 25/08/1918 Age: 37 Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 1st Bn. GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the district who had served their country at the front, was performed by Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message