Re: Runnymede memorial (Allan Steel) Hi, Have you tried The War Graves Photographic Project? They will probably have a photo of F/Sgt McGregor's memorial. This link should take you to his name on the site: http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3243498 Regards, Phil On 17 March 2014 01:38, <new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: JAMES ST LEDGER WAUGH (Graham L Jones) > 2. Runnymede memorial (Allan Steel) > 3. James St Ledger Waugh (Les & Sue Tuner) > 4. The Ship - Penguin (Ravenstone) > 5. PENGELLY - PENGELLEY added (Beverley) > 6. WACKROW (Adele Pentony-Graham) > 7. Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler (Rhonda and Dave) > 8. Re: Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler (Ray Rob) > 9. Re: WACKROW (Terry Kavanagh) > 10. Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > (Olwyn Whitehouse) > 11. Re: Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? (Sarndra) > 12. Re: Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? (Sarndra) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 18:21:12 +1300 > From: Graham L Jones <gee.jay@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [nz] JAMES ST LEDGER WAUGH > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <532534C8.6070608@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Not found on the Victoria Outwards file. There is a James Waugh but much > earlier, 1862. Disc details only go up to 1923. > > Graham > > On 16/03/2014 5:37 p.m., Les & Sue Tuner wrote: > > Would anyone be able to help me with the arrival in New zealand of James > St Ledger Waugh. He was born 1885 in Victoria Australia, we think he may > have come to Otago as he made his home around this district. he married a > Catherine Dorward at Lovells Flat and i know he lived around the Milton > Balclutha area his son born Milton. just to tie up the family tree just to > find what ship he came from Victoria on to NZ. > > Thank You. > > Sue > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Graham Jones, > 139 Hokianga Road, > DARGAVILLE 0310 > 09-439-8519 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 19:16:26 +1300 > From: "Allan Steel" <asteel@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] Runnymede memorial > To: "nz list" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C0EAB770457245BAB6D8B5CFE5A0EE1E@Dads> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi folks, > Looking for any list member that may have a photo of Panel 199 of the > above memorial. > WW2 ? Flt Sgt Keith Alexander McGregor. > > Thank you, > Regards > Allan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:32:16 +1300 > From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] James St Ledger Waugh > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7DEADB01B9E643019AEE56ED17E50473@LesTurnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you to folk who got back to me on him, we have most of his family > tree his wife Constance did marry twice and he did have a son by the same > name. he is my friends grandad i did most of the family research on the > family but couldnt just find what boat he came on. > Would the intentions to marry be found in Wellington would some kind > person be able to look up for me. i know he married Lovell Flat > Presbyterian church 1916 to Constance Amy Dorward, > thanking you all. > sue > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 04:53:52 +1300 > From: "Ravenstone" <ravenstone@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] The Ship - Penguin > To: "List - NZ Messages" <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D0CBB01FEA034D058EE1C2440674B420@ron7f9dbc63515> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi List, > > I wish to thank all those persons who sent me information, both on List > and off List in regards to the ship PENGUIN. > > It has clearly established the fact that the particular family concerned > was told a porky. This has now pushed that query to the bottom of the fable > tray. > > > Thanks again, > > Ron > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:19:39 +1300 > From: Beverley <bevevans@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] PENGELLY - PENGELLEY added > To: NZ Mailing List <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5325F94B.6010701@ihug.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello All > I have just added info from the library for PENGELLY and PENGELLEY > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/PENGELLEY.PENGELLY.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:05:13 +1300 > From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] WACKROW > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F71A9784744F0978268D4B2DC9000@adminTHINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently > its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that > but > finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the > names, > Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles > married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years > working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over > the > weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both > together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened > up > my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some > of > the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical Society > about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes down, I > will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, and > schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of > course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. > Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church yard > there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to give a > headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. > > > > > > Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! > > > > > > Adele > > Clareville Cemetery researcher > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 07:20:59 +1000 > From: "Rhonda and Dave" <popnana@tpg.com.au> > Subject: [nz] Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <368B37F1FFCC42298B28C81901A1253C@home2ae8dac884> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > in the South Island to my knowledge > Thank you > Rhonda > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:37:50 +1300 > From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler > To: Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au> > Cc: New Zealand Forum <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAEWioP= > gPHsD-P2BgXowZWSgHP_8h79U3pgo4_80uYg-GnfOBA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Rhonda , > Should nobody be researching these four surnames , it could still be worth > asking for help via this Mailing List ... > eg I can see reference to : > > ROESLER - > Frederick William > Henry > Maria Anna > Diana Marie > > MARKER- > Olive Eileen > > Cheers , > Ray > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au > >wrote: > > > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > > in the South Island to my knowledge > > Thank you > > Rhonda > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:55:05 +1100 > From: Terry Kavanagh <kiwikav@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] WACKROW > To: Adele Pentony-Graham <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Cc: Rootsweb Mail <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAAgbrsBXbDmogjd+BckenqLfz-VGwAQjsrf3erae9erj8WH9Mg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Adele, > > Happy St Pat's Day to you as well and to all the Irish out there. > > Several years ago we corresponded in relation to the BOWLES/TAYLOR > connection and it was interesting to see the reference arise once again. > > I have the TAYLOR/WACKROW connection in my tree as well, of course. > > Caroline was the daughter of my Great Great Grandfather, Frederick Benjamin > TAYLOR,s sister Mary Ann TAYLOR and is listed as my cousin 3 times removed > > Whereas the Bowles moved from TAWA to the Waiarapa my lot moved up the > coast to Foxton and from there north to the Waikato in later generations. > > > On 17 March 2014 07:05, Adele Pentony-Graham <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz > >wrote: > > > For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently > > its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that > > but > > finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the > > names, > > Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles > > married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years > > working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over > > the > > weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both > > together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened > > up > > my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some > > of > > the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical > Society > > about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes > down, I > > will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, > and > > schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of > > course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. > > Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church > yard > > there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to > give a > > headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! > > > > > > > > > > > > Adele > > > > Clareville Cemetery researcher > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 17:06:35 -0700 > From: Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? > To: new-zealand <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALhxcQZEcpC2Tje-C01=fYWiDyK0mmGo5k6UoSEku= > UunE0apA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:23:24 +1300 > From: "Sarndra" <sarndra@sarndra.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and > the AIF? > To: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <62F85A4FC14247029148A1769813E8E6@SEL6560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > His correct name was John ARNST - John and Jack were interchangable as > nicknames > > He's on Cenotaph. > > > http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/439.detail?Ordinal=1&c_surname_search=arnst > > Cheers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:37:44 +1300 > From: "Sarndra" <sarndra@sarndra.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and > the AIF? > To: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23A42890351D4BA495071B4DB0980FC0@SEL6560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Oh sorry you've already got that I see... i'm in Perth in holiday mode but > still on Auckland time....haven't woken up yet LOL! It doesn't appear he > had anything to do with the AIF. > > Nice wee obituary for him on 'Trove' and states he enlisted 3 years > previously in NZ long before him having to compulsory do so > http://tinyurl.com/poxeur4 > > > Cheers > Sarndra > > -----Original Message----- > From: Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NEW-ZEALAND list administrator, send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NEW-ZEALAND mailing list, send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > ****************************************** >