Norwegian family history, I was wondering if anyone has done any family research in Norway as it can get very confusing. One of my ancestors Otto Frederick OLSEN immigrated to NZ from Norway in the 1800's settled in Timaru and died in Auckland. I was trying to trace his family back in Norway. Otto was born in Forstraden, which I believe is now Fredrikstad, his father was Ole Krog Johansen born 1799 in Borre, Vestfold, Norway and Otto's mother was Elen Sorensdatter born in Skjeberg Parish, Ostfold County, Norway. For the longest time I was wondering why Otto's father's last name was not the same as his, until reading about the Norse people seems that the males born with "Sen" at the end of there name was the same as "Son" So OLSEN would mean son of Ole which makes sense since Otto's fathers name was OLE Johansen.."hence son of Johan". The females surname that ends with datter means daughter so his mother Elen Sorendatter would have been daughter of Soren. Sorry if that was to confusing. Does anyone know how I can find more information on Ole Krog Johansen and Elen Sorensdatter in Norway? I am trying to find out who their mother and father were. Thank you Lori (USA) > From: new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 123 > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:58:47 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate (Stan Smith) > 2. Re: Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate (marina) > 3. Old Railway staff Records (Jenny) > 4. Re: Old Railway staff Records (John Wilson) > 5. Re: Old Railway staff Records (Jenny) > 6. 1874 - March Lyttelton Times BMD and snippets (Beverley) > 7. FREEMAN (Adele Pentony-Graham) > 8. Otago Peninsula Cemeteries (Allan Steel) > 9. Emmigrant ships lost en-route to New Zealand 1880s (Ray Greer) > 10. Morgan Family Arrival into NZ (William Hall) > 11. Re: Morgan Family Arrival into NZ (Ray Rob) > 12. Re: Morgan Family Arrival into NZ (Ray Rob) > 13. Emmigrant ships lost en-route to New Zealand 1880s > (Olwyn Whitehouse) > 14. MOXON, SUTHERLAND, GILCHRIST, MCDONALD (Peter Dillon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:57:14 +1200 > From: "Stan Smith" <stanjsmith@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [nz] Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate > To: "'Olwyn Whitehouse'" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "'new-zealand'" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000b01cf8520$d9cdbae0$8d6930a0$@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > She is buried in the Bromley Cemetery. Entry from Ch-Ch cemetery database > follows; > Christchurch City Council Cemeteries Database > Result Detail > Surname: Meredith > First name(s): Caroline Ethel > Date of death: Saturday, 31 July 1937 > Cemetery: Bromley > Date of burial: Monday, 2 August 1937 > Block number: 10 > Plot number: 505 > Age: 53 years > Address: > Occupation: Widow > Place of birth: > Years in New Zealand: 53 > Perhaps a copy of her death certificate may answer some questions? > Regards > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2014 2:11 p.m. > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate > > Can anyone help with the query in the South Canterbury guestbook. > > Thanks. > Olwyn > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/ > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:26:17 +1200 > From: "marina" <moresby76@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [nz] Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate > To: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A18120BB7A38453D8F8815A5EBFB6BE8@BorlandPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Olwyn, > > A, Caroline Ethel Adams married George Sunderland Meredith, 1907/4344. > > Two children listed on the NZ BDM online for this couple. > > Richard Sunderland Sheriff Meredith b. 1908/10908. Married, Mary Kathleen > Kent in 1946. > Ethel Joan Meredith b. 1910/15575. Married, Norman Charles Manchester in > 1931/5671. > > Marina > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 2:11 PM > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Carrie Ethel Adams b. 1884 Waimate > > Can anyone help with the query in the South Canterbury guestbook. > > Thanks. > Olwyn > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/ > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:56:32 +1000 > From: "Jenny" <Jen_min4@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [nz] Old Railway staff Records > To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6A0974EE85DA428BA6B4922DA71D4687@BigWitch> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Did I see somewhere that there are lists of Railway employees about 1945-55 > or did I dream it > Cheers Jenny > I DON"T do mornings!!!! > Photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/jen_in_brisbane/ > Family Tree http://minerstree.tribalpages.com/ > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7658 - Release Date: 06/10/14 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:49:07 +1200 > From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [nz] Old Railway staff Records > To: "Jenny" <Jen_min4@bigpond.net.au>, <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <AF751BF92CE7416E9A99C8413BE8FA73@OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jenny: > > Archives NZ have the "stud books" or yearly lists of employees, Public > Service, Post Office and Railways. They are by grade etc and many do not > have an index by name. Probably up to the 1980s, and may not include > temporary or non-salaried employees. For Railways, Archives in Wellington > also have service schedules on cards (in boxes?). See Research Guide No 7; > Government Employment (3rd down). > http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides > > Yours, John Wilson > > Subject: [nz] Old Railway staff Records > > > > Did I see somewhere that there are lists of Railway employees about > > 1945-55 > > or did I dream it > > Cheers Jenny > > I DON"T do mornings!!!! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:03:11 +1000 > From: "Jenny" <Jen_min4@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [nz] Old Railway staff Records > To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <725ACAE281CC4E25818C66B125228335@BigWitch> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Thanks John and others, for your replies, looks like I need to do another > research trip one day, I am coming to NZ soon for a month but wont get much > if any research done this time, oh well next time maybe > > > Hi Jenny: > > > > Archives NZ have the "stud books" or yearly lists of employees, Public > > Service, Post Office and Railways. They are by grade etc and many do not > > have an index by name. Probably up to the 1980s, and may not include > > temporary or non-salaried employees. For Railways, Archives in Wellington > > also have service schedules on cards (in boxes?). See Research Guide No 7; > > Government Employment (3rd down). > > http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides > > > > Yours, John Wilson > > > > Subject: [nz] Old Railway staff Records > > > > > >> Did I see somewhere that there are lists of Railway employees about > >> 1945-55 > >> or did I dream it > >> Cheers Jenny > >> I DON"T do mornings!!!! > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7660 - Release Date: 06/11/14 > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7660 - Release Date: 06/11/14 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:05:58 +1200 > From: Beverley <bevevans@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] 1874 - March Lyttelton Times BMD and snippets > To: NZ Mailing List <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5398B6A6.4000505@ihug.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello All > I have just added the BMD and snippets for March 1874 > email me for any newspaper copies > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1874.March.Lytt.Times.BMD.html > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1874.March.Lytt.Times.snippets.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 09:32:46 +1200 > From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] FREEMAN > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <F0A9459319AD4C00BA323F4DD53D8D87@adminTHINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Walter Freeman + Annie Wackett 1855. this is the only Freeman I have heard > off here in Wairarapa.. Annie was born Hertfordshire (Herts) Walter and > Annie married in London 1851. if the Freeman is off this line, please get > in touch, I have descendants for you.. one child of Walter and Annie was > Theresa, surname of WACKETT. She married James Burton Penny 1870. buried at > Clareville. Farmed here at Clareville, was the first family in my cottage > which was built by Charles Dakin, he moved in when James moved out possibly > to Grassmere up Hughes Line. Clareville. James sister Mary, married Bishop > Nevill. Of Dunedin. I know the family also moved down to Newtown . > Wellington and later to Otaki. > > > > I have quite a packet on this family and met many descendants, its part of > the Clareville Cemetery Research as there are burials up there for the > Burton Penny family. > > > > > > Thank you > > > > Adele Pentony-Graham > > Clareville taphophile. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:11:52 +1200 > From: "Allan Steel" <asteel@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] Otago Peninsula Cemeteries > To: "nz list" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D751C7002746447486B26B093FF5A735@Dads> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi folks, > > Just to advise that the headstone photos for Broad Bay, Macandrew Bay and Portobello cemeteries are now online on the Dunedin City Council website. > > There are also a further 5000 photos for Andersons Bay cemetery online on the same site, mainly for 1950?s to 1970?s. > > Regards > Allan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:59:17 +1200 > From: Ray Greer <greer.ray@gmail.com> > Subject: [nz] Emmigrant ships lost en-route to New Zealand 1880s > To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAMBq1uoUgWYW8Cu6UpCeF7KHTuMKb9WZVKVM9wUJzwT=fokhsg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Family lore has it that my grandfather's married sister and her husband > from Co. Sligo in Ireland set sail for New Zealand around 1880 but the > ship was lost at sea and the passengers and crew were never heard of again. > She was either Deborah or Margaret. I don't know her husband's name, but > it could possibly be Barclay. > > I have identified three major ships lost coming to New Zealand around this > time - the 'Cospatrick" which caught fire off the coast of Africa in 1874 > with the loss of 470 lives and only 3 survived. No recognizable name in > the passenger list, and probably too early. Besides the family story says > no one survived. > > The Trevalyn which foundered off the Cape of Good Hope in 1888 with the > loss of all hands is a prime suspect, but apparently she was not carrying > any passengers. > > The Knowlsley Hall, lost enroute to Lyttleton in 1879 with all 50 crew and > 100 passengers. She was possibly part of a Barclay family in the list of > passengers. > > Is anyone researching shipwrecks to NZ and has more information about the > immigrants that were lost? > > Regards, > > Ray Greer > > > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 06:10:36 +0000 > From: William Hall <cannonhill@hotmail.com> > Subject: [nz] Morgan Family Arrival into NZ > To: Mailing Lists New Zealand <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DUB120-W1744DDDA7002414236DB7DCD2A0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello > > I am trying to locate the Morgan family's arrival into New Zealand. They set off from London in September 1920 and travelled to Sydney in Australia. I believe they arrived as a family of 9 into New Zealand around December 1920. Could someone please give me some guidance in sites to look at for tracing the ship and date they arrived into NZ on? > > The family members were: George Morgan, wife Sarah Jane, children: Harry, George, William, Ivy, Arthur, Leonard and Daisy, settling into Wellington. > > Many thanks > Bill > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:31:54 +1200 > From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Morgan Family Arrival into NZ > To: William Hall <cannonhill@hotmail.com> > Cc: Mailing Lists New Zealand <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAEWioPk7ievYuU7TSN2ApPqSm2nx7nKbGcWSq=VYmmfyC2RS-w@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Bill , > I realise that you have been seeking the same information for a few years > .. > > I can only hope that this website can deliver ! > > Best o' British > Ray > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:10 PM, William Hall <cannonhill@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I am trying to locate the Morgan family's arrival into New Zealand. They > > set off from London in September 1920 and travelled to Sydney in Australia. > > I believe they arrived as a family of 9 into New Zealand around December > > 1920. Could someone please give me some guidance in sites to look at for > > tracing the ship and date they arrived into NZ on? > > > > The family members were: George Morgan, wife Sarah Jane, children: Harry, > > George, William, Ivy, Arthur, Leonard and Daisy, settling into Wellington. > > > > Many thanks > > Bill > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 20:33:50 +1200 > From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Morgan Family Arrival into NZ > To: William Hall <cannonhill@hotmail.com> > Cc: Mailing Lists New Zealand <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAEWioP=a58pNA06=OjOyAabfoz85E71xNX=m6Lk--j1tVUtFHw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792 > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 6:10 PM, William Hall <cannonhill@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I am trying to locate the Morgan family's arrival into New Zealand. They > > set off from London in September 1920 and travelled to Sydney in Australia. > > I believe they arrived as a family of 9 into New Zealand around December > > 1920. Could someone please give me some guidance in sites to look at for > > tracing the ship and date they arrived into NZ on? > > > > The family members were: George Morgan, wife Sarah Jane, children: Harry, > > George, William, Ivy, Arthur, Leonard and Daisy, settling into Wellington. > > > > Many thanks > > Bill > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:27:12 -0500 > From: Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> > Subject: [nz] Emmigrant ships lost en-route to New Zealand 1880s > To: new-zealand <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALhxcQYG6j_+KRMV5e-Xj6FQmWNKK+jTZbgGH9_GNE89z45WGA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > *http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/missing.htm > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/missing.htm>* > > *Evening Post,* 22 November 1879, Page 2 > THE MISSING SHIP *KNOWSLEY HALL * > George Barclay, Flora Barclay, Constance Barclay, George Barclay, Charles > Barclay, Matilda Barclay, Frederick Barclay > > *From:* Ray Greer < greer.ray@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [nz] Emmigrant ships lost en-route to New Zealand 1880s > *Date:* Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:59:17 +1200 > Family lore has it that my grandfather's married sister and her husband > from Co. Sligo in Ireland set sail for New Zealand around 1880 but the > ship was lost at sea and the passengers and crew were never heard of again. > She was either Deborah or Margaret. I don't know her husband's name, but > it could possibly be Barclay. > > I have identified three major ships lost coming to New Zealand around this > time - the 'Cospatrick" which caught fire off the coast of Africa in 1874 > with the loss of 470 lives and only 3 survived. No recognizable name in > the passenger list, and probably too early. Besides the family story says > no one survived. > > The Trevalyn which foundered off the Cape of Good Hope in 1888 with the > loss of all hands is a prime suspect, but apparently she was not carrying > any passengers. > > The Knowlsley Hall, lost enroute to Lyttleton in 1879 with all 50 crew and > 100 passengers. She was possibly part of a Barclay family in the list of > passengers. > > Is anyone researching shipwrecks to NZ and has more information about the > immigrants that were lost? > > Regards, > > Ray Greer > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 10:58:37 +1200 > From: Peter Dillon <peter_dillon@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] MOXON, SUTHERLAND, GILCHRIST, MCDONALD > To: nz list <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <6AEB92DAF85B43859FE1D78BF15E0483@DadPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8; > reply-type=original > > > I'd like to contact descendants of Neil & Christina MCDONALD who lived at > Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland. > > Someone in New Zealand has a tree online, as follows, with the above as > their ancestors, but does not have Christina's surname and I am sure that > whoever it is has been beating his or her head against what seems to be a > brick wall trying to find Christina's family. > > Neil & Christina had a son John MCDONALD, a policeman who married Jane/Jean > GILCHRIST. > John & Jane had a daughter Christina MCDONALD who married George SUTHERLAND. > Christina & George had a son Angus McDonald SUTHERLAND who married Margaret > Fraser PATERSON. This couple ended up in New Zealand. > Angus & Margaret had a daughter Adaline SUTHERLAND who married John Gordon > MOXON. > > Christina who married Neil MCDONALD was Christina MCDONALD, a younger sister > to my ancestor Finlay MCDONALD. She was baptised MCCOIRL, not MCDONALD. > > I have a truckload of information on Christina's side for descendants but > can't help much with Neil although there are a couple of clues as to > location. > > Here's Christina's baptism: > > OPR - Parish of Lairg, County of Sutherland: > "1785 ... May 6 Angus MCCOIRL, Brecklead. Christian. > > Here's her eldest sibling Margaret's baptism: > > OPR - Parish of Lairg, County of Sutherland: > "1771 ... Nov'r 17 Angus MCDONALD, MCCOIRL, Auldebreck. Margt." > > Here's Christina's marriage: > > Scotlandspeople > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ > OPR Extract - Parish of Lairg, County of Sutherland - Marriage > "1815 ... March 12 Neil MCDONALD Bualindun & Christy MCDONALD Achtomlinie, > P. of Rogart." > > Achtomlinie above was over the border in Rogart parish but not by much. It > was the croft of Christina's brother William MCDONALD. Finlay left for > Ontario from his brother's croft circa 1830. > > I haven?t been able to discover the parents of Neil MCDONALD but his son > John the policeman who married Jane GILCHRIST was one of at least six > siblings. John & Jane had at least 9 issue. > > Jane was the daughter of George GILCHRIST & Ann MCDONALD who had a family of > at least 7 children at Latheron parish, Caithness. Jane?s sister Elizabeth > married Morison SNODY and their son, also Morison SNODY, married Annie > MCDONALD the daughter of John & Jane. i.e. Morison junior married his aunt > (the first of her three marriages) which seems odd unless I have got > something wrong. They were similar ages, Annie born 1850 and Morison 1848. > > Neil might be one of these two: > > Lairg People in the period 1812 - 1818 > People named in the Day Book of William MACDONALD, Merchant of Lairg. > MACDONALD Neil, Achnara, Shin, brother to John > MACDONALD Neil, Badell, Shin, tailor? > > Peter in Christchurch. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NEW-ZEALAND list administrator, send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NEW-ZEALAND mailing list, send an email to NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 123 > *******************************************