Hi Ray Thank you very much for all your help and suggestions. I had not seen the Donaldson tree site or the Mundia site so will explore them now. I have used Papers Past and gained some information from there. Especially about Edward James Ion Elton Jnr and his prowess in Plumbing qualifications. I really am grateful for any help as being so far away in the UK it is difficult to find out what records are available in NZ. Thanks again Hilary Hilary Thomas hilary@mypandas.me.uk