Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676

Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered at the first port of call. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Births At Sea Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Thanks Jenelle - really appreciated. My next task is to establish which ports this ship stopped at on the way to Auckland. Regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:jmac2014@antmail.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:15 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered at the first port of call. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Births At Sea Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi all, I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here in Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness on his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I never found his family even tho' he had married. Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in this birth. Cheers Chris Victoria -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2014@antmail.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered > at > the first port of call. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > margaret@megadyne.co.nz > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed in Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where the ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. Sue On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > Hi all, > I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here > in > Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > on > his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > never found his family even tho' he had married. > Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > this birth. > Cheers Chris > Victoria > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2014@antmail.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM > To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and > registered > > at > > the first port of call. > > Jenelle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > > the > > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > > obvious > > sites. > > > > > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > > > margaret@megadyne.co.nz > > > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Dear Sue, You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed in > Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where the > ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. > > Sue > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here >> in >> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness >> on >> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I >> never found his family even tho' he had married. >> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in >> this birth. >> Cheers Chris >> Victoria >>

My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about 1854. Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family surname was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's second name. Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. Chris K in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Dear Sue, > > You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at > the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had > but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM > To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > >> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed >> in >> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >> the >> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >> >> Sue >> >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>> here >>> in >>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness >>> on >>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I >>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in >>> this birth. >>> Cheers Chris >>> Victoria >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Chris K, Yes, I know about Portland, I live in Warrnambool, rather ironic I came back to almost where the family landed. My ancestor was a cabinet Maker and was assigned to James Ritchie at Mt Rouse. Two children including my great grandfather were born at Dunkeld and registered in Hamilton. The family left the area around 1859 and I didn't find them until 1872 in Richmond Melbourne and have no idea where they went in all those years. They sure were busy times and the gold rush didn't help, people everywhere. Regards Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "ChrisK" <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:18 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about 1854. > Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family surname > was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's second name. > Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. > Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western > district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. > > Chris K > > in > Melbourne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> > To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > >> Dear Sue, >> >> You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour >> at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre >> had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. >> Chris >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM >> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >> >>> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed >>> in >>> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >>> the >>> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >>> >>> Sue >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>>> here >>>> in >>>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank >>>> goodness >>>> on >>>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching >>>> I >>>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case >>>> in >>>> this birth. >>>> Cheers Chris >>>> Victoria >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Chris, Did you eventually find the birth registration for the child born at sea in 1853? and do you have the ship's name. Like another lister, I also have the Australian Vital Records disk as well as Pioneer disk. Happy to look up Chris K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:33 PM Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi Chris K, > > Yes, I know about Portland, I live in Warrnambool, rather ironic I came > back to almost where the family landed. My ancestor was a cabinet Maker > and was assigned to James Ritchie at Mt Rouse. Two children including my > great grandfather were born at Dunkeld and registered in Hamilton. The > family left the area around 1859 and I didn't find them until 1872 in > Richmond Melbourne and have no idea where they went in all those years. > They sure were busy times and the gold rush didn't help, people > everywhere. > Regards > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ChrisK" <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:18 PM > To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > >> My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about >> 1854. Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family >> surname was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's >> second name. Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. >> Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western >> district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. >> >> Chris K >> >> in >> Melbourne >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> >> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM >> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >> >> >>> Dear Sue, >>> >>> You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour >>> at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre >>> had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. >>> Chris >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM >>> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >>> >>>> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed >>>> in >>>> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >>>> the >>>> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >>>> >>>> Sue >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>>>> here >>>>> in >>>>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank >>>>> goodness >>>>> on >>>>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching >>>>> I >>>>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>>>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case >>>>> in >>>>> this birth. >>>>> Cheers Chris >>>>> Victoria >>>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Chris, The ship , actually there were two with the same name, because when I had a day at the SLV I looked up a diary for the one that actually docked in Melb. Amazing diary of the voyage but my little boat my ancestors came on docked in Portland ( Bloomer) and then went to Melb and then on to South America, what a voyage for the Captain. I have a booklet written by the Historians from Portland family History of the vessels that docked in Portland and the "Bloomer" is there. It's a long time since I have looked at the Vital records disc. Many thanks for the help Chris Vic -------------------------------------------------- From: "ChrisK" <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:46 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi Chris, > > Did you eventually find the birth registration for the child born at sea > in 1853? and do you have the ship's name. Like another lister, I also have > the Australian Vital Records disk as well as Pioneer disk. Happy to look > up > > Chris K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> > To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:33 PM > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > >> Hi Chris K, >> >> Yes, I know about Portland, I live in Warrnambool, rather ironic I came >> back to almost where the family landed. My ancestor was a cabinet Maker >> and was assigned to James Ritchie at Mt Rouse. Two children including my >> great grandfather were born at Dunkeld and registered in Hamilton. The >> family left the area around 1859 and I didn't find them until 1872 in >> Richmond Melbourne and have no idea where they went in all those years. >> They sure were busy times and the gold rush didn't help, people >> everywhere. >> Regards >> Chris >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "ChrisK" <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:18 PM >> To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >> >>> My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about >>> 1854. Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family >>> surname was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's >>> second name. Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. >>> Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western >>> district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. >>> >>> Chris K >>> >>> in >>> Melbourne >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Goldstraw" <goldies@westvic.com.au> >>> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM >>> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >>> >>> >>>> Dear Sue, >>>> >>>> You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour >>>> at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre >>>> had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM >>>> To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >>>> >>>>> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they >>>>> landed in >>>>> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >>>>> the >>>>> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >>>>> >>>>> Sue >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>>>>> here >>>>>> in >>>>>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank >>>>>> goodness >>>>>> on >>>>>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of >>>>>> researching I >>>>>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>>>>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case >>>>>> in >>>>>> this birth. >>>>>> Cheers Chris >>>>>> Victoria >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>> Unsubscribe >>>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >>>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>>> community >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >>> community >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Chris No doubt you've checked on VIC BDM website? I have a disk called Australian Vital records unfortunately doesn't seem to want to play on laptop - it's a Latter Day Saints compilation including VIC early records. Margaret - yes family can tell some whoppers so they don't get judged I suppose. My mother told me that her grandmother was buried in the local cemetery but didn't tell me she had remarried at 86 because it was shamefull I suppose, finally found her though!! Sue On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:00 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > Dear Sue, > > You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at > the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had > but > couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue king" <sueray2002@gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM > To: "new Zealand List" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > > Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed > in > > Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where > the > > ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. > > > > Sue > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed > here > >> in > >> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > >> on > >> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > >> never found his family even tho' he had married. > >> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > >> this birth. > >> Cheers Chris > >> Victoria > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

My great grandmother was born at sea, at least I presume that was the case, as her (Georgina BUCKHAM), birth certificate states 'Tasmania (at sea)'. This was 1853. Joseph -----Original Message----- From: Sue king <sueray2002@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:52 PM To: new Zealand List <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed in Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where the ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. Sue On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <goldies@westvic.com.au> wrote: > Hi all, > I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed > here in Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where > thank goodness on his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' > years of researching I never found his family even tho' he had > married. > Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case > in this birth. > Cheers Chris > Victoria > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2014@antmail.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM > To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and > registered > > at > > the first port of call. > > Jenelle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication > > that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ > > arriving on the > > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > > obvious sites. > > > > > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > > > margaret@megadyne.co.nz > > > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Chris Thanks for that - they weren't all that helpful in days gone by were they? I have a gt grandmother who said she was 'born at sea' on my grandfathers birth register. I think she was 'all at sea' because she was born in Kensington, gave false parents names, claimed she was married and her maiden surname was Werberger and married in Jan 1881 in Calcutta, India. So unless she had her own private Concord this was not so because she was in the Female Refuge Home in ChCh, NZ in that month having just had her first of four illegitimate children. Regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Goldstraw [mailto:goldies@westvic.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:41 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Hi all, I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here in Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness on his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I never found his family even tho' he had married. Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in this birth. Cheers Chris Victoria -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2014@antmail.com.au> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered > at > the first port of call. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > margaret@megadyne.co.nz > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Shouldn't laugh but that is funny, goes to show you can't believe everything our forebears told us. My grandfather only mentioned in passing that he was born in NZ which set me off. He always celebrated his birthday on Oct 24 and told me he was born 1884, turned out when I got his birth cert he was born January 1 1883 in Dunedin NZ. He told me he had relatives in Invercargill but I haven't found any yet. I did find the family travelling to NZ in 1879 from Scotland so that was a plus, then they came to Victoria for a couple of years and then set off for South Africa for a few more before returning to Victoria. My aunt said her grandmother loved the sea and travelling. Cheers Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Armstrong" <margaret@megadyne.co.nz> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:05 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi Chris > > Thanks for that - they weren't all that helpful in days gone by were they? > > I have a gt grandmother who said she was 'born at sea' on my grandfathers > birth register. I think she was 'all at sea' because she was born in > Kensington, gave false parents names, claimed she was married and her > maiden > surname was Werberger and married in Jan 1881 in Calcutta, India. So > unless > she had her own private Concord this was not so because she was in the > Female Refuge Home in ChCh, NZ in that month having just had her first of > four illegitimate children. > > Regards > Margaret > > > Margaret Armstrong > margaret@megadyne.co.nz > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goldstraw [mailto:goldies@westvic.com.au] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:41 PM > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > Hi all, > I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here > in > > Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > on > his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > never found his family even tho' he had married. > Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > this birth. > Cheers Chris > Victoria > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <jmac2014@antmail.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM > To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > >> Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered >> at >> the first port of call. >> Jenelle. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:margaret@megadyne.co.nz] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM >> To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [nz]Births At Sea >> >> Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that >> occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on >> the >> 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the >> obvious >> sites. >> >> >> >> Thanks to one and all. >> >> >> >> Margaret Armstrong >> >> margaret@megadyne.co.nz >> >> Ph +64-9-576 3676 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-and-overseas-births-and-baptisms Pay per view, search the database for free from 1854 to 1890 Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths at Sea 1854 to 1890. Compiled from the ships logs and detailing events for many British and Foreign families at sea, including emigrants, passengers and soldiers. Births and death events were recorded in the ship's log; the information was copied to Board of Trade Registrar of Births and Deaths and at year end and in NZ. New Zealand required registration of events at sea on arrival. So it is possible to find the event recorded in NZ and the UK with slightly different data. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/ Records of births, marriages and deaths of British nationals at sea, in foreign countries or while serving in HM Forces abroad are preserved at the Register Office of their country of origin, but may also be recorded at the Office of National Statistics in the 'Overseas' section. " On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 20:06, Margaret Armstrong <margaret@megadyne.co.nz> wrote: > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious > sites. > > Margaret Armstrong > >

Hi Margaret There was a notice from the registrar general in 1837 to all captains or commanding officers of British vessels, that if any child of an English parent shall be born at sea on board a British vessel, they are to record the details and on arrival at any port of the United Kingdom or by any sooner opportunity, send a certificate of the details through the post office to the registrar general However, very far from all captains complied with the notice and of those that did, not all were received or acted upon As you can see there was also plenty of scope for a birth to not be recorded if a parent wasn't English or Welsh And the wording "on the arrival of the Vessel in any Port of the United Kingdom" does not explicitly say the first port of the UK The board of trade were supposed to pass back any registrations to the GRO, some were, some weren't So all in all the chances of a birth not being registered at all are great In the overseas registrations from the board of trade, there were no births registered for the Winterthur in 1865 Between 1863 and 1867 there were two births registered for the Winterthur A JONES in 1866 and a SCOTT in 1867 Expanding that search to 1855 to 1875 there are still only two births as above What were the names you were seeking? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/11/2018 02:06, Margaret Armstrong wrote: > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong

Hi Nivard Thank you so much for that important piece of information. I have printed it off for further use if required. Funny that there were supposedly only two births in total that occurred on the Winterthur when one of NZ newspapers reported that there were 'six births, three deaths, two of them infants'. The newspaper reports varied slightly when it came to the passengers but one showed the names (exactly as shown here) Wm, Maria, and Wm. Williams. I'm sure that these are my lot but because the occupations detailed showed 1 painter and my William was a scenic artist. But to be 100% sure I need to see the full passenger list showing their ages/birth places/occupations. Only one list that I have found shows only the 1st and 2nd Class Cabin passengers. So to answer your question the names I am seeking are: William Williams bn c1807 London, Maria Williams (nee Dimmock) bn bet 1836-1840 Croft, Leicestershire and William Williams Jnr bn c1863 London. Would you have any idea where I could locate the passenger list of the Winterthur that sailed from London to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865? I've tried numerous repositories here in NZ and a couple in Sydney, Australia. I do look forward to your reply Nivard. Oh, my Gray ancestors came from Redruth Cornwall, left abt 1863 to St Helier, Jersey, Channel Islands. My gt grandmother came to NZ at the age of 17 alone. Kind regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong margaret@megadyne.co.nz Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington [mailto:ovington.one@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 10:18 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Hi Margaret There was a notice from the registrar general in 1837 to all captains or commanding officers of British vessels, that if any child of an English parent shall be born at sea on board a British vessel, they are to record the details and on arrival at any port of the United Kingdom or by any sooner opportunity, send a certificate of the details through the post office to the registrar general However, very far from all captains complied with the notice and of those that did, not all were received or acted upon As you can see there was also plenty of scope for a birth to not be recorded if a parent wasn't English or Welsh And the wording "on the arrival of the Vessel in any Port of the United Kingdom" does not explicitly say the first port of the UK The board of trade were supposed to pass back any registrations to the GRO, some were, some weren't So all in all the chances of a birth not being registered at all are great In the overseas registrations from the board of trade, there were no births registered for the Winterthur in 1865 Between 1863 and 1867 there were two births registered for the Winterthur A JONES in 1866 and a SCOTT in 1867 Expanding that search to 1855 to 1875 there are still only two births as above What were the names you were seeking? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 13/11/2018 02:06, Margaret Armstrong wrote: > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community