Hi Chris K, Yes, I know about Portland, I live in Warrnambool, rather ironic I came back to almost where the family landed. My ancestor was a cabinet Maker and was assigned to James Ritchie at Mt Rouse. Two children including my great grandfather were born at Dunkeld and registered in Hamilton. The family left the area around 1859 and I didn't find them until 1872 in Richmond Melbourne and have no idea where they went in all those years. They sure were busy times and the gold rush didn't help, people everywhere. Regards Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "ChrisK" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:18 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about 1854. > Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family surname > was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's second name. > Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. > Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western > district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. > > Chris K > > in > Melbourne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goldstraw" <[email protected]> > To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > >> Dear Sue, >> >> You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour >> at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre >> had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. >> Chris >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Sue king" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM >> To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea >> >>> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed >>> in >>> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >>> the >>> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >>> >>> Sue >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>>> here >>>> in >>>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank >>>> goodness >>>> on >>>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching >>>> I >>>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case >>>> in >>>> this birth. >>>> Cheers Chris >>>> Victoria >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealan[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi listers, I have an email dated 2008 from a Sherida Sibley who told me she had a relative Leslie John PATRICK born Wellington NZ 27 Feb 1902. He married in 1923 and they had seven (7) children. He died in 1961. I am now wondering who his parents might have been as I've always wondered why my great grandparents ever went to NZ from Scotland in 1879. They lived in Dunedin NZ. My great grandparents were David and Jane PATRICK, her maiden name was WALKER, whether she had siblings living in NZ, I am not sure and maybe that's why they went there. Her siblings were all born at Bothkennar, Stirling, Scotland as was she. Their parents were Helen nee RAE and John WALKER married Jan 2 1847 James born 1848 Jane* 1849 Peter 1852 Catherine 1854 Helen (Nellie) 1856 Janet 1858 John 1860 Peter 1864 Hopefully someone has a connection, or is researching this family, so any help gratefully appreciated. Regards Chris Victoria Australia

https://search.findmypast.com/search-world-Records/british-armed-forces-and-overseas-births-and-baptisms Pay per view, search the database for free from 1854 to 1890 Registers of Births, Marriages and Deaths at Sea 1854 to 1890. Compiled from the ships logs and detailing events for many British and Foreign families at sea, including emigrants, passengers and soldiers. Births and death events were recorded in the ship's log; the information was copied to Board of Trade Registrar of Births and Deaths and at year end and in NZ. New Zealand required registration of events at sea on arrival. So it is possible to find the event recorded in NZ and the UK with slightly different data. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/ Records of births, marriages and deaths of British nationals at sea, in foreign countries or while serving in HM Forces abroad are preserved at the Register Office of their country of origin, but may also be recorded at the Office of National Statistics in the 'Overseas' section. " On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 20:06, Margaret Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote: > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious > sites. > > Margaret Armstrong > >

Hi Chris No doubt you've checked on VIC BDM website? I have a disk called Australian Vital records unfortunately doesn't seem to want to play on laptop - it's a Latter Day Saints compilation including VIC early records. Margaret - yes family can tell some whoppers so they don't get judged I suppose. My mother told me that her grandmother was buried in the local cemetery but didn't tell me she had remarried at 86 because it was shamefull I suppose, finally found her though!! Sue On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:00 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Sue, > > You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at > the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had > but > couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue king" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM > To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > > Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed > in > > Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where > the > > ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. > > > > Sue > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed > here > >> in > >> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > >> on > >> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > >> never found his family even tho' he had married. > >> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > >> this birth. > >> Cheers Chris > >> Victoria > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

My family also landed at Portland with a child "born on board" about 1854. Searching BDM Vic "at sea" didn't reveal anything as the family surname was totally misspelled and the ship's name was the baby boy's second name. Finally a breakthough when I found the shipping list. Portland was a deep water harbour and very busy in 1850's as the western district was being opened up to selectors who needed farm labourers. Chris K in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goldstraw" <[email protected]> To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:59 PM Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Dear Sue, > > You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at > the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had > but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sue king" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM > To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > >> Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed >> in >> Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where >> the >> ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. >> >> Sue >> >> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed >>> here >>> in >>> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness >>> on >>> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I >>> never found his family even tho' he had married. >>> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in >>> this birth. >>> Cheers Chris >>> Victoria >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Shouldn't laugh but that is funny, goes to show you can't believe everything our forebears told us. My grandfather only mentioned in passing that he was born in NZ which set me off. He always celebrated his birthday on Oct 24 and told me he was born 1884, turned out when I got his birth cert he was born January 1 1883 in Dunedin NZ. He told me he had relatives in Invercargill but I haven't found any yet. I did find the family travelling to NZ in 1879 from Scotland so that was a plus, then they came to Victoria for a couple of years and then set off for South Africa for a few more before returning to Victoria. My aunt said her grandmother loved the sea and travelling. Cheers Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Armstrong" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:05 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi Chris > > Thanks for that - they weren't all that helpful in days gone by were they? > > I have a gt grandmother who said she was 'born at sea' on my grandfathers > birth register. I think she was 'all at sea' because she was born in > Kensington, gave false parents names, claimed she was married and her > maiden > surname was Werberger and married in Jan 1881 in Calcutta, India. So > unless > she had her own private Concord this was not so because she was in the > Female Refuge Home in ChCh, NZ in that month having just had her first of > four illegitimate children. > > Regards > Margaret > > > Margaret Armstrong > [email protected] > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Goldstraw [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:41 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > Hi all, > I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here > in > > Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > on > his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > never found his family even tho' he had married. > Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > this birth. > Cheers Chris > Victoria > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > >> Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered >> at >> the first port of call. >> Jenelle. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [nz]Births At Sea >> >> Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that >> occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on >> the >> 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the >> obvious >> sites. >> >> >> >> Thanks to one and all. >> >> >> >> Margaret Armstrong >> >> [email protected] >> >> Ph +64-9-576 3676 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hi Chris Thanks for that - they weren't all that helpful in days gone by were they? I have a gt grandmother who said she was 'born at sea' on my grandfathers birth register. I think she was 'all at sea' because she was born in Kensington, gave false parents names, claimed she was married and her maiden surname was Werberger and married in Jan 1881 in Calcutta, India. So unless she had her own private Concord this was not so because she was in the Female Refuge Home in ChCh, NZ in that month having just had her first of four illegitimate children. Regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Goldstraw [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Hi all, I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here in Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness on his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I never found his family even tho' he had married. Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in this birth. Cheers Chris Victoria -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered > at > the first port of call. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > [email protected] > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I am trying to track down details of witnesses at the wedding of my gr great grandparents Adam Moore and Charlotte Richardson. The couple was married in 1864, when aged 44 and 45 respectively at St Matthews Anglican Church. The writing on the church marriage record is not easily decipherable for the witness' signatures especially but it looks like a.. Eleanor Thewlis, laundress, of 3 ?otago cottages Nelson street Auckland b.. and ? george Walker, labourer, Symonds street Are there any directories for circa 1864 which list residents per street? My ancestors lived in Nelson street at the time of their marriage (ref ITM) and i'm curious to see if the female witness was a neighbour or whether she was a connection from Ireland. And secondly was there a building in Nelson street which was named either 3 or 30 and a word that looks like otago cottages please. My search interest is in the residents in either of these streets. Could any listers head me in a particular direction please? Chris in Melbourne

Dear Sue, You were lucky. Mine docked in Portland Victoria, probably busy harbour at the time in 1853. I checked all the info their family history centre had but couldn't find a registration, even a church baptism. Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sue king" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:52 PM To: "new Zealand List" <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed in > Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where the > ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. > > Sue > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here >> in >> Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness >> on >> his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I >> never found his family even tho' he had married. >> Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in >> this birth. >> Cheers Chris >> Victoria >>

Hi, my greatgrandfather was born at sea and registered when they landed in Sydney. I had been told that most births/deaths were registered where the ship was registered luckily this wasn't to be in my case. Sue On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 4:41 PM Goldstraw <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here > in > Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness > on > his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I > never found his family even tho' he had married. > Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in > this birth. > Cheers Chris > Victoria > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > > > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and > registered > > at > > the first port of call. > > Jenelle. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > > the > > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > > obvious > > sites. > > > > > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > > > [email protected] > > > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi all, I had a child born at sea but he was not registered when they landed here in Victoria, I found him as a grown man after he died, where thank goodness on his death cert his birth place was 'at sea'. Tho' years of researching I never found his family even tho' he had married. Some ship's logs only had number of births and deaths as was the case in this birth. Cheers Chris Victoria -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jenelle McCarrick" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:14 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea > Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered > at > the first port of call. > Jenelle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz]Births At Sea > > Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that > occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on > the > 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the > obvious > sites. > > > > Thanks to one and all. > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > [email protected] > > Ph +64-9-576 3676 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Thanks Jenelle - really appreciated. My next task is to establish which ports this ship stopped at on the way to Auckland. Regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 4:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Births At Sea Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered at the first port of call. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Births At Sea Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Margaret, they would have been recorded on the Ship's Log, and registered at the first port of call. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 12:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Births At Sea Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Six births and three deaths were recorded in a newspaper publication that occurred on board the Winterthur that sailed to Auckland, NZ arriving on the 23 May 1865. Where would these have been recorded? I've tried the obvious sites. Thanks to one and all. Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676

Thanks Noeleen, I'll check these out. Regards Margaret Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 -----Original Message----- From: Noeleen Sutton [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2018 1:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Ship Named Winterthur The 3 book series of Log of Logs by Ian Nicholson may have something. Noeleen. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 12 November 2018 11:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Ship Named Winterthur I am trying to locate the passenger list and/or surgeons report for the "Winterthur" sailing to Auckland, NZ from London on the 23 May 1865. Is there someone out there who has knowledge of where these records may be. National Archives Wgtn and Auckland do not hold anything and nor does the Auckland Library apart from the passenger's names but no other information. Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19150524.2.132 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19380704.2.156 http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/genealogy/Winterthur1866.htm https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19350523.2.98 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19440106.2.2.3 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WHDT19380707.2.15 New Zealand Herald 4 July 1938 Page 14 EARLY AUCKLAND. AGED RESIDENT'S MEMORIES MRS. M. PILLINGER JACKSON Memories of the time when an important part of Auckland's present-day business area was but a tidal swamp and when a journey made with a bullock waggon from Onehunga to Queen Street represented a trek of several days are retained by Mrs. Margaret Pillinger Jackson, of 61 Balmoral Road, Mount Eden. Mrs. Jackson, who is in her 90th year, has been a resident of Auckland for more than 70 years. The second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. B. Williams, Mrs. Jackson was born in Liverpool on November 23, 1848, and came to New Zealand when she was 16 years of age. Her sister and brother-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. D. Patterson, were emigrating to New Zealand and she decided to accompany them, more with the idea of making a holiday trip than with settling here. They were among the 126 passengers carried in the barque Winterthur. Miss Williams was married shortly before her 18th birthday to Captain Benjamin Pillinger, who was lost at sea in March, 1884. At the time of his death, Captain Pillinger was master of the islands trading schooner Louie. Twelve years later, Mrs. Pillinger married Mr. Arthur Strother Jackson, who died in 1910. Apart from residence for short periods at Thames and at Aratapu, in the Northern Wairoa district, and from a trip made in England in 1902, at the time of the coronation of King Edward VII., Mrs. Jackson has lived in Auckland ever since she came to New Zealand. Three of Mrs. Jackson's seven children are still living. There are 11 grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. Although age has dimmed her memory to some extent of happenings years ago, Mrs. Jackson is remarkably alert and takes a keen interest in current affairs. http://www.akcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/passengers/passenger.html Name PATTERSON, Anne Vessel WINTERTHUR: May 23 1865 Name PATTERSON, David Vessel WINTERTHUR: May 23 1865 Name WILLIAMS, Frank Vessel WINTERTHUR: Oct 19 1866 Name WILLIAMS, Maria Vessel WINTERTHUR: May 23 1865 Name WILLIAMS, William Vessel WINTERTHUR: May 23 1865 Name WILLIAMS, William Vessel WINTERTHUR: May 23 1865 Log of Logs Vol 1 WINTERTHUR, ship, 688t, of London. Five voyages. 5 Official logs and articles etc. Mitchell Library, Sydney, MSS 2344, Boxes YV538, YV 540, YV 542, Y 4489 and Box YV 1133. White Wings: The Winterthur. The Winterthur made two voyages to Auckland, occupying respectively 119 and 117 days. On the first passage out she sailed from London on the 23rd January, 1865, with 126 passengers, under the command of Captain Goudie, who had visited Auckland three years earlier in the Matilda Wattenbach. The ship had a rough experience in the Channel, and did not clear Start Point until the 9th February. She crossed the line on the 18th March. Port was reached on May 23rd. In 1866, the Winterthur came out with Captain Hunt in command. She left Gravesend on the 24th June, and reached Auckland on the 19th October, after a pleasant and uneventful passage. The vessel was able to carry her royals until passing the Cape. On this occasion the Winterthur brought only 59 passengers. Winterthur Ship: 986 tons Captain: Edwin R Hunt Surgeon Superintendent: Dr Henry E Herbert Sailed London June 24th 1866 - arrived Auckland October 19th 1866 The Winterthur made two voyages to Auckland, occupying respectively 119 and 117 days. On the first passage sge sailed from London on the 23rd January, 1865, with 126 passengers, under the command of Captain Goudie, who had visited Auckland three years earlier in the Matilda Wattenbach. The ship had a rough experience in the Channel, and did not clear Start Point until the 9th February. She crossed the line on the 18th March. Port was reached on May 23rd. In 1866, the Winterthur came out with Captain Hunt in command. She left Gravesend on the 24th June, and reached Auckland on the 19th October, after a pleasant and uneventful passage. The vessel was able to carry her royals until passing the Cape. On this occasion the Winterthur brought out only 59 passengers. White Wings - Sir Henry Brett On Mon, 12 Nov 2018 at 04:21, Margaret Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote: > I am trying to locate the passenger list and/or surgeons report for the > "Winterthur" sailing to Auckland, NZ from London on the 23 May 1865. Is > there someone out there who has knowledge of where these records may be. > National Archives Wgtn and Auckland do not hold anything and nor does the > Auckland Library apart from the passenger's names but no other information. > > Passengers William Williams, Maria Williams and another William Williams > sailed on this ship but proof is required before I can claim them as my > ancestors eg where they were born, ages, occupations. > From Margaret Armstrong > [email protected] > >

The 3 book series of Log of Logs by Ian Nicholson may have something. Noeleen. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Armstrong [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 12 November 2018 11:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Ship Named Winterthur I am trying to locate the passenger list and/or surgeons report for the "Winterthur" sailing to Auckland, NZ from London on the 23 May 1865. Is there someone out there who has knowledge of where these records may be. National Archives Wgtn and Auckland do not hold anything and nor does the Auckland Library apart from the passenger's names but no other information. Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676 _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I am trying to locate the passenger list and/or surgeons report for the "Winterthur" sailing to Auckland, NZ from London on the 23 May 1865. Is there someone out there who has knowledge of where these records may be. National Archives Wgtn and Auckland do not hold anything and nor does the Auckland Library apart from the passenger's names but no other information. Passengers William Williams, Maria Williams and another William Williams sailed on this ship but proof is required before I can claim them as my ancestors eg where they were born, ages, occupations. Thank you. From Margaret Margaret Armstrong [email protected] Ph +64-9-576 3676

You could ask someone on the Queensland list, I don't live in Brisbane, you could ask for a quote from State Archives. My will was pretty big, cut down still cost me about $98.00....you may get the death certificate in it too, not sure if that has changed. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Tregonning [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 1:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Australian Wills Thank you. I can order it for about $20AU but I was hoping that someone would be able to do a look up while they were visiting as I don't have the money at present. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Australian Wills I got one years ago, a chap went for me, wasn't cheap. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Tregonning [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Australian Wills Hello, A slightly off topic question but does anyone have experience in ordering or viewing wills or administrations from Queensland. If possible, I am after someone who can do a lookup for me. Regards, Christine _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thank you. I can order it for about $20AU but I was hoping that someone would be able to do a look up while they were visiting as I don't have the money at present. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, 11 November 2018 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: Australian Wills I got one years ago, a chap went for me, wasn't cheap. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Tregonning [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 12:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Australian Wills Hello, A slightly off topic question but does anyone have experience in ordering or viewing wills or administrations from Queensland. If possible, I am after someone who can do a lookup for me. Regards, Christine _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/[email protected] Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community