Hello Chris An interesting book I found in the library was "Eureka, the unfinished Revolution" by Peter FitzSimons. One of my Sallabank ancestors went to Ballarat from England in about 1850, and it was fascinating to hear about what happened there. Cheers, Mary -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris L. Patterson via" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 12:30 PM To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz] Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealandersget to it and were they recorded.? > Hi Can anybody help me please. > > Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealanders get to it > and were they recorded.? > > Trying to find a JOHN HENRY FULLER who went there from Wellington and came > back around 1870s. > > May have taken his wife and some children or left them here to come back > to. > > Cheers > > Chris L. Patterson chrislp@xtra.co.nz > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

For your man returning to NZ the Society's "Victorian Outwards to NZ 1852-1923" CD would be useful. As to when he went there he would have travelled on an ordinary passenger ship not an emigrant vessel. If he was well known there might be something about him leaving in the local paper - could be on Papers Past. Sometimes shipping columns of papers list outgoing passengers as well as those arriving. Expect to see Mr Fuller with no initial but it is not a common name which could be helpful. An ancestor was a goldminer in Victoria and I found his name frequently in Trove the Australian equivalent of Papers Past but that was because he was a mine owner. Remember gold mining took place in many parts of Victoria, not just Ballarat and Bendigo. My man was in the east in Gippsland in the southern end of the Greaat Dividing Range. Have a good look for the subject in google Miners' rights (licences) have rarely survived in Vic records. If you can find the locality he was in then try the State Library and State Archives. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of salsbry2 via Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2014 1:34 p.m. To: NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com; Chris L. Patterson Cc: Chris L. Patterson via Subject: Re: [nz] Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealanders get to it and were they recorded.? Hi Chris, I am not sure if your queries relate to only the NZ men who came to Victoria to make thee fortune in the Gold rush. However, my ggg grandfather Kenneth McGregor (could be one more g) came to the Victorian Gold Fields. He left Applecross in Ross & Cromarty with others who had heard of the goldmines. He married at the goldfields. There surviving son William McGregor moved to Sydney and he worked at an abattoirs for some time. You might also like to contact the Victorian Archives re the Gold rush If you want more information re dates etc. you could Google any question you want to there. You could also Google your questions re the NZ people who crossed the 'ditch' to make their fortune. It is a very interesting subject and there is a lot to find. I would have liked to help you more but I am snowed under with things that should have been done "yesterday" if not a year ago. There are sites in NZ archives that may have info. regards Paddy Sydney ---- "Chris L. Patterson via" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Can anybody help me please. > > Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealanders get to it and were they recorded.? > > Trying to find a JOHN HENRY FULLER who went there from Wellington and came back around 1870s. > > May have taken his wife and some children or left them here to come back to. > > Cheers > > Chris L. Patterson chrislp@xtra.co.nz > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi Can anybody help me please. Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealanders get to it and were they recorded.? Trying to find a JOHN HENRY FULLER who went there from Wellington and came back around 1870s. May have taken his wife and some children or left them here to come back to. Cheers Chris L. Patterson chrislp@xtra.co.nz

Hi Chris, I am not sure if your queries relate to only the NZ men who came to Victoria to make thee fortune in the Gold rush. However, my ggg grandfather Kenneth McGregor (could be one more g) came to the Victorian Gold Fields. He left Applecross in Ross & Cromarty with others who had heard of the goldmines. He married at the goldfields. There surviving son William McGregor moved to Sydney and he worked at an abattoirs for some time. You might also like to contact the Victorian Archives re the Gold rush If you want more information re dates etc. you could Google any question you want to there. You could also Google your questions re the NZ people who crossed the 'ditch' to make their fortune. It is a very interesting subject and there is a lot to find. I would have liked to help you more but I am snowed under with things that should have been done "yesterday" if not a year ago. There are sites in NZ archives that may have info. regards Paddy Sydney ---- "Chris L. Patterson via" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Can anybody help me please. > > Victorian Gold rush when was it and and how did New Zealanders get to it and were they recorded.? > > Trying to find a JOHN HENRY FULLER who went there from Wellington and came back around 1870s. > > May have taken his wife and some children or left them here to come back to. > > Cheers > > Chris L. Patterson chrislp@xtra.co.nz > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone help please. On looking up the birth indexes on Fiche for 1871 for a Charles Montrose Richards, I came across this entry: Amt. - Act. '92-13 in the Folio column. Does anyone know what this means please. I was just trying to confirm that his birth registration took place in the Wanganui District. Many thanks for any help received. Regards Judy Berntsen

Hello All I have just added snippets and BMD from the Lyttelton Times from February 1892. do email for any newspaper copies you would like. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1892.February.Lytt.Times.snippets.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1892.February.Lytt.Times.BMD.html -- http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Margaret If you use FreeBMD you can find the Registry Office which issues the certificate (click on the registry district in the entry. eg St George in the East records are held at Tower Hamlets). Then you can order direct from them online. Works for me! Regards Mary -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret Armstrong via" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 12:08 PM To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz] Ordering Birth & Death Records From The UK > Can anyone let me know the most cost effective way of ordering Birth & > Death > Records from the UK? I require a number of look-ups first to determine > the > correct ones before I go ahead and order. > > > > Ordering directly from the GRO one cannot enter the parents names to > ensure > the correct ones are sent. This method is hit and miss. > > > > Thank you Listers. > > > > Margaret Armstrong > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dr David Gibb JOHNSTON was my grandfather's older brother who initiated the immigration of his siblings and widowed mother to Carterton back in the early 1890's. I have managed to build up some records on his son David Gibb Provan Johnston and his subsequent marriage, plus his military record. I would love to make contact with any current descendants. The fact I would love to find is when my greatgrandmother Mary Johnston (nee Gibb) and her children John, George, Maggie (or Margaret) William and James sailed to N.Z. Recent assistance from a younger family friend discovered Dr. David Gibb Johnston wife and 2 children sailed back to N.Z. (after a visit back to the UK and Scotland) on the Ruapehu - a very new steamer - leaving London 13.09.1893 arriving Wgn. 4.11.1893 - so a speedy trip. I have not been able to find the other family members on the ship- although there is a Miss Johnston among the 'Misses' . There is also mention of Dr. Johnston and 2 of the older brothers in the Tinui Store history found on Google. Any information will be appreciated thank you. Marcia Roberts/Les Hewett, Napier

I have seen a past message (March 2014) from annette & have tried to send her an email but it keeps coming back on me. Annette are you still on this website & can you make contact please as there seems to be a connection somewhere. Barbara

Can anyone let me know the most cost effective way of ordering Birth & Death Records from the UK? I require a number of look-ups first to determine the correct ones before I go ahead and order. Ordering directly from the GRO one cannot enter the parents names to ensure the correct ones are sent. This method is hit and miss. Thank you Listers. Margaret Armstrong

Hi Margaret There are two ways to obtain certificates From the GRO covering all of England & Wales Ease of ordering, credit card orders accepted, postage paid anywhere Although you may be able to identify the right certificate from freebmd, you can if you know the parents order without the GRO index reference, which allows checking points to be added (ie parents names) NB the mothers maiden name was added to the GRO index in mid 1911 and spouses surname added to the index in 1912 OR From the local register office First you need to know where the persons event was registered, although the GRO index reference may help to identify the registration office the local offices do not recognise the GRO index refs They are usually more expensive and take longer to receive Some local offices try to put enquirers onto the GRO, presumably due to staff shortages However, before ordering any certificates it is worth checking to see if the information can be found in the growing number of Parish registers available online at Ancestry or Findmypast Parents may be found from a baptism which may lead to identifying the correct birth certificate if still required If the marriage can be found in PRs it will contain the same details of the GRO certificate plus may be signed buy the couple and witnesses If a burial can be found it may again identify the correct death certificate if still required To see what can be expected on a certificate see http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm If you know the County of the event and years let me know and I may be able to help you with the best source of Parish registers PS bar marriages found in Parish registers the general public cannot look at the civil registers at the GRO or local offices Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/11/2014 23:08, Margaret Armstrong via wrote: > Can anyone let me know the most cost effective way of ordering Birth & Death > Records from the UK? I require a number of look-ups first to determine the > correct ones before I go ahead and order. > > > > Ordering directly from the GRO one cannot enter the parents names to ensure > the correct ones are sent. This method is hit and miss. > > > > Thank you Listers. > > > > Margaret Armstrong

hi David , I note that a Mary ( not Bridget ? ) RYAN married a Robert McNaughton , 1907 Any connection , I wonder ? Best Wishes , Ray

There are some BMD sites of use, eg the BathBMD website is great for mothers names (just Google it). Another way to check bmds is to see if vaccination records are available, the details being from the birth and death registers locally.  Eg bath archives have the bath ones. You don't have to pay for a cert with the vac data.  I don't know what vac data is like elsewhere. Peter Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Firstly I would like to thank all those replies to my question several weeks ago on James and Charlotte Gibbs of Wakefield. My next question may well be harder to answer, I recently found a birth certificate that was attached to a military record belonging to Robert McNaughton of Wrights Bush in Southland. The certificate states that a Joy Patricia was born 18th October 1918 at Wrights Bush, a surname was not recorded, and a father not recorded, her mother was listed as Bridget McNaughton nee Ryan of Wright's Bush. Bridget is my grandmother's sister and the wife of Robert. We know that Robert and Bridget divorced on his return from Europe (WW1) and that Joy was born shortly afterwards. Family lore has it that Bridget possibly remarried but I have not been able to find a marriage record that would fit the known details, the other possibility is that she just assumed the man's name, she is also thought to have been buried at Bluff. But there again without a surname I cannot confirm this. After the divorce the four children Bridget and Robert had together were put into some sort of care/orphanage and it is a possibility that Joy Patricia had the same fate. A cousin in Invercargill has looked up the school records for Bluff and Wrights Bush but cannot find anything on Joy in either of them, the next option is to spread out the search. My question is this: does anyone have a Joy Patricia in their records with a birth date of the 18th October 1918, but cannot find a birth certificate, or failing that has a birth date but no parents due to adoption maybe? If so I would be really interested in conferring notes to see if we have a common connection. I realise this is a needle in a haystack but if I put the question out there maybe one day someone will have an answer for me. Thanks David Cavanagh Adelaide South Australia.

Is Jack still with us please, havent heard off him in ages... just concerned... would love to show him two photographs just received off old Greytown, and sent them to Masterton Archives, Gareth hadnt seen them before.. another treasure gone his way... lovely to be able to share... bought on my normal site! Over the years have had a lot off emails from Jack.. -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Wonderful thank you so much.. I will check out the Greytown Book and see if William is on it as he was with Council according to notes... They must have moved out of Greytown after the death of Elizabeth.... will ask Masterton Archives where the Hotel was as well. nothing for the name in the Greytown Street wise.. -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Hi again Adele just in case you aren't aware looks like William Hammerich also ran the Rising Sun Hotel in Greytown as well a little earlier on in 1880 the PP link: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18801103.2.12&srpos=4&e=-------10--1----0hammerich+hotel-- Mabel On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Adele Pentony-Graham via < new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Wonderful thank you so much.. I will check out the Greytown Book > and see if William is on it as he was with Council according to > notes... > > They must have moved out of Greytown after the death of Elizabeth.... > will ask Masterton Archives where the Hotel was as well. nothing for > the name in the Greytown Street wise.. > > -- > Adele Pentony-Graham > Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher > Carterton Researcher. > and > Featherston. WW1. Cemetery. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some info from PP sent to Adele.Elizabeth died jan 1886 and husb William remarried and had three children with second wife, including the babe who died. cheers penne Subject: [nz] HAMMERICH/K > Two graves over at GREYTOWN, can anyone help me with history please, > is it a lost family member or what? > > ELIZABETH HAMMERICK Died 1886. 43 years old. > BABY HAMMERICH 1 day old, died 1891. Will check on deaths for the > correct spelling. no other HAMMERICK/H at the cemetery, I have the > list of burials here at home, will get up there to see if a headstone > for Elizabeth but I doubt it, its the grass area at the rear of the > cemetery. Do have someone doing the name, he is up Tauranga, not sure > if these are his family as only just let him know off the burials... > so who were the parents of the baby? > > -- > Adele Pentony-Graham > Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher > Carterton Researcher. > and > Featherston. WW1. Cemetery. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two graves over at GREYTOWN, can anyone help me with history please, is it a lost family member or what? ELIZABETH HAMMERICK Died 1886. 43 years old. BABY HAMMERICH 1 day old, died 1891. Will check on deaths for the correct spelling. no other HAMMERICK/H at the cemetery, I have the list of burials here at home, will get up there to see if a headstone for Elizabeth but I doubt it, its the grass area at the rear of the cemetery. Do have someone doing the name, he is up Tauranga, not sure if these are his family as only just let him know off the burials... so who were the parents of the baby? -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Hi again Adele this is from papers past. Although it doesn't give the groom's name as Ernst perhaps it is still your couple given the Bride's name is Daisy. Perhaps Ernst or Ernest was known as William. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18870107.2.8&srpos=22&e=-------10--21----2hammerich-- possibly could be the child's grandfather: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WDT18850704.2.4&srpos=3&e=-------10--1----0death+hammerich-- looks like William was the proprierter of the Greytown Hotel in 1883 and still there until at least 1886 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18830810.2.32.8&srpos=17&e=-------10--11----0death+hammerich-- http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP18861124.2.59.4&srpos=14&e=-------10--11----0death+hammerich-- I note that there seem to be alot of HAMMERICH's around the Nelson area Hope these help Mabel On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Mabel Harvey <mabel.harvey@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Adele > > This looks like your baby per NZ BDM > > Birth 1891/2263 No Name HAMMERICH born 27th April 1891 > Death 1891/6563 No Name HAMMERICH 1 day old died 28th Apr;il 1891, > Parents: Daisy and Ernst > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Adele Pentony-Graham via < > new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Two graves over at GREYTOWN, can anyone help me with history please, >> is it a lost family member or what? >> >> ELIZABETH HAMMERICK Died 1886. 43 years old. >> BABY HAMMERICH 1 day old, died 1891. Will check on deaths for the >> correct spelling. no other HAMMERICK/H at the cemetery, I have the >> list of burials here at home, will get up there to see if a headstone >> for Elizabeth but I doubt it, its the grass area at the rear of the >> cemetery. Do have someone doing the name, he is up Tauranga, not sure >> if these are his family as only just let him know off the burials... >> so who were the parents of the baby? >> >> -- >> Adele Pentony-Graham >> Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher >> Carterton Researcher. >> and >> Featherston. WW1. Cemetery. >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >