I see I've left off a GV data. What we have for the townland Largybeg is that William MONTEITH was there in 1833, 1834 and 1835 and that Stewart MONTEITH was there on plot 4 in the GV dated 22 Nov 1858 and still there on plot 4 in 1860 but gone by 1864. Peter > On 18 October 2019 at 16:20 Peter Dillon <peter_dillon@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > I've found out some good information about Stewart MONTEITH the brewer at Reefton, whose surname is now applied to beers being served the length and breadth of NZ Very little had been discovered about his origins up to now except to say that he was from County Tyrone. > > His 1921 death registration says his parents were William STEWART & Martha PATTRICK and that he was born at Newtonstewart in County Tyrone and was in NZ 60 years. His headstone at Reefton cemetery says he was 1841. An obituary says he was from Tyrone. > > William Patrick Monteith the eldest son may have acquired his middle name from his mother. > > Now, Newtonstewart is the main town in that part of Tyrone, and to say that he came from there doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually from the town Newtownstewart or the townland of Newtonstewart. It could mean that he from a townland nearby, and I think that's the case here. > > We know that Stewart MONTEITH arrived in Otago in 1861 via Australia, his stay in Australia being less than a week. > > > This message in a Melbourne newspaper is rather interesting. > > > The Argus, Saturday 22 March 1862. page 1 > Missing friends, Messages, &c. > STEWART MONTEITH, from Barronscourt, Ireland -your sister wishes to see you. 1 Cambridge street, Collingwood. > > > There were also letters arriving in Otago for Stewart MONTEITH, advertised in the newspapers as unclaimed letters. > > > Barrons court I think means Barons Court townland near Newtownstewart. Griffiths Valuation (GV) has only a couple of occupiers at Barons Court, one of them being the owner, The Marquis of Abdercorn. > > The area in question is in Ardstraw civil parish which contains many townlands. A hunt for any MONTEITH in GV brings up only a few in Ardstraw parish and the closest one to Barons Court is Stewart MONTEITH on plot 4 in Largybeg townland. The house on that plot on the GV map happens to be right on the border with Barons Court townland. The date of the GV is 22 Nov. A look at Google Maps shows no house on the site now, and a virtual drive-by in Street View merely passes a ploughed field. > > 'Ask About Ireland' reckons the GV for Tyrone was published in 1851, HOWEVER the first page of the volume in which Largybeg appears actually gives 22 Nov 1858 as the date of the valuation. There's a County Tyrone webpage out there that gives all the names in the 1851 GV forall Tyrone, including Stewart MONTEITH, which may be following the lead of 'Ask About Ireland' (exactly the same pages are at Ancestry.com as well). By listing Stewart MONTEITH as being at Largybeg in 1851 it had me second guessing myself for a while, but it's complete rubbish, he was there when the GV was published in 1858, it wasn't published in 1851. I wonder how many other researchers the web page has put wrong? > > > Stewart was still on plot 4 at Largybeg in the Valuation Revision Book of 1860-1864, but his name as occupier is struck through and the name Marquis of Abercorn entered in his place. That's a good match for Stewart who went to the Antipodes in 1861. > > > The Tithe Applotments put William STEWART at Largybeg [Lurgybeg ]in 1833, 1834 and 1835. > > As I said, the name Stewart MONTEITH is uncommon, especially in Ireland in those days. In fact, when I look up the name Stewart MONTEITH in the Ireland deaths, only one comes up before 1918, and he definitely isn't the chap who went to NZ or was at Largybeg. I am super confident that William MONTEITH and Stewart MONTEITH at Largybeg were father and son as in Stewart's 1921 death registration. > > Stewart's marriage registration says that he and Elizabeth MAHONY were married 1880 at Greymouth at Gilpin's Bar, Mawhera Quay. a was sister to my great-grandmother Annie MAHONY who married Sam FURNESS at Reefton in 1886. Another sister Ellen MAHONY married Mathew LOUBERE. The three sisters from a tiny village killed Kilcommon in North Tipperary arrived in NZ at Nelson on the ship FERNGLEN right at the end of 1879 and went straight to Reefton from there. > > Stewart and Elizabeth had a number of children, including Matilda Jane MONTEITH who apparently was the second female solicitor to be admitted to the bar in NZ . > > > Getting back to the sister in Victoria enquiring in the Argus newspaper after Stewart MONTEITH. I think she has to be Matilda Jane MONTEITH who married James Andrew WALLACE in 1865 at Melbourne, "only daughter of the late William MONTEITH, Esq., Tyrone, Ireland." It turns out that her parents were called William and Martha MONTEITH! > > > James Andrew WALLACE a pretty interesting guy. > > > http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1548789 > The Argus, Sat 14 Aug 1915, Page 16, PERSONAL. > Mr and Mrs J. A .Wallace of Dunoon, Dudley parade, East Camberwell, celebrated their golden wedding on Tuesday. > Sergeant Major Wallace was drill instructor in Victoria for many years, and is a veteran of the Indian Mutiny. He served under Sir Colin Campbell, and was at the relief of Lucknow, and is the possessor of two medals, one for service in India, the other for long service in Victoria. He was born in Renfrew, Scotland 80 years ago. Mrs Wallace is a native of Tyrone Ireland. > > > James & Matilda had plenty of children and quite a few married. > > > The one fly in the ointment is that Matilda Jane WALLACEs' death index entry says that her parents were William MONTEITH and Martha KIRKPATRICK, i.e. not PATRICK. But the second part of the name KIRKPATRICK is the same as PATRICK. Of course, informants at the death of death registrations often get details horribly wrong, especially maiden surnames of mothers. The informant at the death of Stewart was someone unrelated who had been "authorised by the Undertaker..." Ihaven't seen the death registration of Matilda, so I don't know who was the informant. > > > I'm not too sure if many on the list will actually be interested in the above, but who knows. Most of the MONTEITH family disappeared to New South Wales circa 1927. There's at least one researcher with a tree at Ancestry but I've already dropped him some messages. Son William remained in NZ looking after things on the brewery side. He was one of the people involved in a merger between the Monteiths brewery at Reefton and some other breweries on the coast to form a Westland brewing group at Greymouth. That was taken over some time ago and is currently owned and renamed the Monteith's Brewing Company by the big brewing chain that owns it now. > > One of Stewart's daughters was Martha Elizabeth MONTEITH, known as "Babe," who married Eddie NAHR, son of the brewer William NAHR at Westport. I think a few people are doing them. > > > Peter >

I've found out some good information about Stewart MONTEITH the brewer at Reefton, whose surname is now applied to beers being served the length and breadth of NZ Very little had been discovered about his origins up to now except to say that he was from County Tyrone. His 1921 death registration says his parents were William STEWART & Martha PATTRICK and that he was born at Newtonstewart in County Tyrone and was in NZ 60 years. His headstone at Reefton cemetery says he was 1841. An obituary says he was from Tyrone. William Patrick Monteith the eldest son may have acquired his middle name from his mother. Now, Newtonstewart is the main town in that part of Tyrone, and to say that he came from there doesn't necessarily mean that he was actually from the town Newtownstewart or the townland of Newtonstewart. It could mean that he from a townland nearby, and I think that's the case here. We know that Stewart MONTEITH arrived in Otago in 1861 via Australia, his stay in Australia being less than a week. This message in a Melbourne newspaper is rather interesting. The Argus, Saturday 22 March 1862. page 1 Missing friends, Messages, &c. STEWART MONTEITH, from Barronscourt, Ireland -your sister wishes to see you. 1 Cambridge street, Collingwood. There were also letters arriving in Otago for Stewart MONTEITH, advertised in the newspapers as unclaimed letters. Barrons court I think means Barons Court townland near Newtownstewart. Griffiths Valuation (GV) has only a couple of occupiers at Barons Court, one of them being the owner, The Marquis of Abdercorn. The area in question is in Ardstraw civil parish which contains many townlands. A hunt for any MONTEITH in GV brings up only a few in Ardstraw parish and the closest one to Barons Court is Stewart MONTEITH on plot 4 in Largybeg townland. The house on that plot on the GV map happens to be right on the border with Barons Court townland. The date of the GV is 22 Nov. A look at Google Maps shows no house on the site now, and a virtual drive-by in Street View merely passes a ploughed field. 'Ask About Ireland' reckons the GV for Tyrone was published in 1851, HOWEVER the first page of the volume in which Largybeg appears actually gives 22 Nov 1858 as the date of the valuation. There's a County Tyrone webpage out there that gives all the names in the 1851 GV forall Tyrone, including Stewart MONTEITH, which may be following the lead of 'Ask About Ireland' (exactly the same pages are at Ancestry.com as well). By listing Stewart MONTEITH as being at Largybeg in 1851 it had me second guessing myself for a while, but it's complete rubbish, he was there when the GV was published in 1858, it wasn't published in 1851. I wonder how many other researchers the web page has put wrong? Stewart was still on plot 4 at Largybeg in the Valuation Revision Book of 1860-1864, but his name as occupier is struck through and the name Marquis of Abercorn entered in his place. That's a good match for Stewart who went to the Antipodes in 1861. The Tithe Applotments put William STEWART at Largybeg [Lurgybeg ]in 1833, 1834 and 1835. As I said, the name Stewart MONTEITH is uncommon, especially in Ireland in those days. In fact, when I look up the name Stewart MONTEITH in the Ireland deaths, only one comes up before 1918, and he definitely isn't the chap who went to NZ or was at Largybeg. I am super confident that William MONTEITH and Stewart MONTEITH at Largybeg were father and son as in Stewart's 1921 death registration. Stewart's marriage registration says that he and Elizabeth MAHONY were married 1880 at Greymouth at Gilpin's Bar, Mawhera Quay. a was sister to my great-grandmother Annie MAHONY who married Sam FURNESS at Reefton in 1886. Another sister Ellen MAHONY married Mathew LOUBERE. The three sisters from a tiny village killed Kilcommon in North Tipperary arrived in NZ at Nelson on the ship FERNGLEN right at the end of 1879 and went straight to Reefton from there. Stewart and Elizabeth had a number of children, including Matilda Jane MONTEITH who apparently was the second female solicitor to be admitted to the bar in NZ . Getting back to the sister in Victoria enquiring in the Argus newspaper after Stewart MONTEITH. I think she has to be Matilda Jane MONTEITH who married James Andrew WALLACE in 1865 at Melbourne, "only daughter of the late William MONTEITH, Esq., Tyrone, Ireland." It turns out that her parents were called William and Martha MONTEITH! James Andrew WALLACE a pretty interesting guy. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1548789 The Argus, Sat 14 Aug 1915, Page 16, PERSONAL. Mr and Mrs J. A .Wallace of Dunoon, Dudley parade, East Camberwell, celebrated their golden wedding on Tuesday. Sergeant Major Wallace was drill instructor in Victoria for many years, and is a veteran of the Indian Mutiny. He served under Sir Colin Campbell, and was at the relief of Lucknow, and is the possessor of two medals, one for service in India, the other for long service in Victoria. He was born in Renfrew, Scotland 80 years ago. Mrs Wallace is a native of Tyrone Ireland. James & Matilda had plenty of children and quite a few married. The one fly in the ointment is that Matilda Jane WALLACEs' death index entry says that her parents were William MONTEITH and Martha KIRKPATRICK, i.e. not PATRICK. But the second part of the name KIRKPATRICK is the same as PATRICK. Of course, informants at the death of death registrations often get details horribly wrong, especially maiden surnames of mothers. The informant at the death of Stewart was someone unrelated who had been "authorised by the Undertaker..." Ihaven't seen the death registration of Matilda, so I don't know who was the informant. I'm not too sure if many on the list will actually be interested in the above, but who knows. Most of the MONTEITH family disappeared to New South Wales circa 1927. There's at least one researcher with a tree at Ancestry but I've already dropped him some messages. Son William remained in NZ looking after things on the brewery side. He was one of the people involved in a merger between the Monteiths brewery at Reefton and some other breweries on the coast to form a Westland brewing group at Greymouth. That was taken over some time ago and is currently owned and renamed the Monteith's Brewing Company by the big brewing chain that owns it now. One of Stewart's daughters was Martha Elizabeth MONTEITH, known as "Babe," who married Eddie NAHR, son of the brewer William NAHR at Westport. I think a few people are doing them. Peter

Hi, thanks for your reply to my email. If you wish to give me any more information ie parents you may be looking at/for I could go down to our branch rooms on Saturday and see if he has submitted any family charts and copy it if there is one. Judy On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 6:42 PM Beverley Smith via NEW-ZEALAND < new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi! Judy > Thank you for that information I live in the UK and will try and find out > if he is my line of Rosewarnes. > Thanks and regards > Beverley > > On 15 October 2019, at 23:28, Judy Berntsen <judy.berntsen01@gmail.com> > wrote: > > There is a Lloyd Rosewarne living in New Plymouth and was at one stage a > member of the New Plymouth Branch of the NZSG.. His phone number is 06 > 7511575. That would be your best bet to ring him, > > Regards > > Judy > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:01 AM Beverley Smith via NEW-ZEALAND < > new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Good afternoon > > Is anyone researching the Rosewarne Family they came from Cornwall to > > Christchurch . > > I am a descendant of this family and would like to share information. > > Regards Beverley > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > > community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

hello All I have just added the BMD  from the Christchurch Press  for April 1989 do email for a newspaper copy quoting date of the newspaper and snippet number. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://transcriptions.nz/1870-1908/1989.April.Press.BMD.html -- http://transcriptions.nz Home page 20 yrs of newspaper transcriptions and gravestone photos

Hi! Judy Thank you for that information I live in the UK and will try and find out if he is my line of Rosewarnes. Thanks and regards Beverley On 15 October 2019, at 23:28, Judy Berntsen <judy.berntsen01@gmail.com> wrote: There is a Lloyd Rosewarne living in New Plymouth and was at one stage a member of the New Plymouth Branch of the NZSG.. His phone number is 06 7511575. That would be your best bet to ring him, Regards Judy On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:01 AM Beverley Smith via NEW-ZEALAND < new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Good afternoon > Is anyone researching the Rosewarne Family they came from Cornwall to > Christchurch . > I am a descendant of this family and would like to share information. > Regards Beverley > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The musical adventures of Sarah Mathew with Dr Polly Sussex Wednesday 23 October, 12pm to 1pm Whare Wānanga, Level 2, Central City Library Join Dr Polly Sussex for this HeritageTalk for Auckland's Heritage Festival and hear all about Sarah Mathew and the musical entertainments of the English ladies. Sarah Mathew arrived at the Waitematā Harbour in 1840 with her husband the surveyor Felton Mathew. At first, they lived in a tent in present-day Britomart and Sarah kept “my devoted piano” in a box beside it. Once their house was built the piano became indispensable for entertainment. In this talk, Dr Polly Sussex will share a glimpse of recreational music in the life of a lady in early Auckland using examples from musical scrapbooks compiled by the family of missionary Henry Williams. Dr Sussex will play music from the Henry Williams scrapbooks on a square piano from 1835 at a concert that will take place on 7 November 2019 at Central City Library. This event is part of the Auckland Heritage Festival. Booking is recommended. To secure your place, please phone Research Central on 09 890 2412 or book online: https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/pages/event.aspx?eventid=6764 About HeritageTalks Are you interested in family and local history; the historical stories of New Zealand, the Pacific, and beyond? Then why not come along to one of our HeritageTalks - Waha pū-taonga and hear more about both our personal and our shared heritage Experts in specialised fields deliver these talks and provide insight into our histories. HeritageTalks take place at least fortnightly, in the Whare Wānanga, Level 2, Central City Library unless otherwise stated. Booking is recommended although not essential. Ngā mihi | Kind regards - Seonaid Seonaid (Shona) Lewis RLIANZA BA ILS DipRIM | Senior research librarian, family history (Mon-Fri) Te Kohinga Rangahau mō Tāmaki Makaurau | Research Central Tāmaki Pātaka Kōrero - Central City Library Ngā Pātaka Kōrero o Tāmaki Makaurau - Auckland Libraries Phone 09 890 2411 | Extn (46) 2411 Auckland Council, 44-46 Lorne Street, Auckland Twitter: @Kintalk Facebook: Auckland Research Centre<https://www.facebook.com/AkldResearchCentre/?ref=settings> Come along to our FREE lunchtime HeritageTalks<https://www.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/pages/search-results.aspx?k=HeritageTalks> fortnightly on Wednesdays between February and November Subscribe to Central Library’s events newsletters by emailing centrallibraryevents@aucklandcouncil.govt.nz<mailto:centrallibraryevents@aucklandcouncil.govt.nz> Kura Heritage Collections Online is now live! Kura provides easy and free access to our world-renowned heritage collections. Explore Kura now: https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/<https://kura.aucklandlibraries.govt.nz/?fbclid=IwAR02DuyNwn3XSVAwKlfaSUsG3NbreuWfVNB94AXGGUobgf-7r5W6z52_kh8> CAUTION: This email message and any attachments contain information that may be confidential and may be LEGALLY PRIVILEGED. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this message or attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email message in error please notify us immediately and erase all copies of the message and attachments. We do not accept responsibility for any viruses or similar carried with our email, or any effects our email may have on the recipient computer system or network. Any views expressed in this email may be those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of Council.

There is a Lloyd Rosewarne living in New Plymouth and was at one stage a member of the New Plymouth Branch of the NZSG.. His phone number is 06 7511575. That would be your best bet to ring him, Regards Judy On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 3:01 AM Beverley Smith via NEW-ZEALAND < new-zealand@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Good afternoon > Is anyone researching the Rosewarne Family they came from Cornwall to > Christchurch . > I am a descendant of this family and would like to share information. > Regards Beverley > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Good afternoon Is anyone researching the Rosewarne Family they came from Cornwall to Christchurch . I am a descendant of this family and would like to share information. Regards Beverley

Hi All can anyone please tell me if there is any way that I can find out how much compensation might have been paid to a widow back in 1957 if her husband was killed in a work accident? The person killed was my father also Is there a process in NZ if one wants to access Public Trust information re a family members. I live in Australia thanks Colleen

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No worries about finding your old tree on line Cheryl, I saw a few other bits and pieces on line too. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Berquist [mailto:berqs@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2019 9:58 AM To: tpierson@xtra.co.nz Cc: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Lucy JARY Hi Terry Messaged you personally - this is great! Info for all - I have advised autosomal DNA test through Ancestry as many JARYs have tested their autosomal DNA, and we will instantly be able to see from the matches the family are related at 4th or 5th or even some 6th cousin matches (and occasionally 7th and 8th). Autosomal DNA will probably turn up the father of Nellie also. It has been 3 1/2 years since I tested my parents and in-laws and the results are still yielding family links and solving family mysteries. Ancestry are still absolutely the ‘best bang for the bucks’, as many more people have tested on Ancestry. Then, like me, if you really want to see matches on other testing platforms eg. FTDNA, Gedmatch and Myheritage it is easy to download the DNA file and upload to these platforms (at a small cost) and then use their tools, which are far more sophisticated than Ancestry’s tools. However, word of warning, I trust FTDNA and Gedmatch at the moment, but I wonder how long I have before our DNA is passed on to a company, eg. A medical insurance company, for use. I am not too worried about our family as we have had no surprise health revelations, but others might want to take care. Thanks Jenelle for finding my old tree online, I really need to work out how to log in to delete the old tree, but sometimes it leads people to me… Cheers Cheryl Berquist nee Duggan _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Hi Terry Messaged you personally - this is great! Info for all - I have advised autosomal DNA test through Ancestry as many JARYs have tested their autosomal DNA, and we will instantly be able to see from the matches the family are related at 4th or 5th or even some 6th cousin matches (and occasionally 7th and 8th). Autosomal DNA will probably turn up the father of Nellie also. It has been 3 1/2 years since I tested my parents and in-laws and the results are still yielding family links and solving family mysteries. Ancestry are still absolutely the ‘best bang for the bucks’, as many more people have tested on Ancestry. Then, like me, if you really want to see matches on other testing platforms eg. FTDNA, Gedmatch and Myheritage it is easy to download the DNA file and upload to these platforms (at a small cost) and then use their tools, which are far more sophisticated than Ancestry’s tools. However, word of warning, I trust FTDNA and Gedmatch at the moment, but I wonder how long I have before our DNA is passed on to a company, eg. A medical insurance company, for use. I am not too worried about our family as we have had no surprise health revelations, but others might want to take care. Thanks Jenelle for finding my old tree online, I really need to work out how to log in to delete the old tree, but sometimes it leads people to me… Cheers Cheryl Berquist nee Duggan

Thanks Chris Appreciate your assistance. Believe now that Lucy was the sister of James William (according to that probate) and that Lucy gave birth to Ellen Jane (Nellie) Jary who married my Grandfather William Arthur Pierson. Been looking back over some notes from a now departed Aunt and she comments that Nellies father was one of those 'not talked about" areas. So, it still leaves the question - who was Ellen Jane's father? Probably one of those never to be known areas! A female cousin is doing an MTA DNA so that might deliver an answer sometime. Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Kealy <ckealy@ozemail.com.au> Sent: Friday, 11 October 2019 5:57 p.m. To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]Re: LUCY JARY Lucy Jary had a daughter in 1883, Nellie ref 1883/11735. No father named. In the Probate file there is reference to Ellen Pierson who seems to be the next surviving person to James's sister Lucy. Chris in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: eco day [mailto:jmac2014@antmail.com.au] Sent: Friday, 11 October 2019 3:22 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]LUCY JARY http://zberq.tripod.com/cherylsfamilyhistorysite/id1.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I just googled Lucy Jary, Nelson, New Zealand and this link came up, might be helpful to you. Jenelle. _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Cheryl, Some very interesting results from my query so far. I think it is fair to say that Lucy was a brother to James William but I never been able to find a birth certificate for Lucy. I do have a birth extract that shows Ellen was the daughter of Lucy but no father identified on that extract. Question still remains! Who was Ellen Jane (Nellie) Jary's father? Seems that this was a 'not talked about' subject according to my Aunt who did write some comments some years ago. Any other thoughts would be appreciated. Regards Terry -----Original Message----- From: Cheryl Berquist <berqs@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2019 2:17 a.m. To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]LUCY JARY Hi I don’t keep up with these emails regularly, so have just found these… but I am Cheryl who did the JARY research a long time ago. Good work everyone. Wills and many more research clues are much more accessible now. I think Lucy is sister to James William, mainly based on the will. According to my tree,James William had two younger sisters, Louisa b. 1855 and died 1856 Nelson and Ellen b. 1862 and died ?. Personally, I think Ellen and Lucy are one and the same person. Lucy is in the electoral rolls, except for 1905-1906 - but there is Ellen Jary with her brother. (Ellen/Lucy has two nieces Ellen b. 1885 and lived in Ashburton, Palmerston North and Auckland and Ellen b. 1916) Cheers Cheryl _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi I don’t keep up with these emails regularly, so have just found these… but I am Cheryl who did the JARY research a long time ago. Good work everyone. Wills and many more research clues are much more accessible now. I think Lucy is sister to James William, mainly based on the will. According to my tree,James William had two younger sisters, Louisa b. 1855 and died 1856 Nelson and Ellen b. 1862 and died ?. Personally, I think Ellen and Lucy are one and the same person. Lucy is in the electoral rolls, except for 1905-1906 - but there is Ellen Jary with her brother. (Ellen/Lucy has two nieces Ellen b. 1885 and lived in Ashburton, Palmerston North and Auckland and Ellen b. 1916) Cheers Cheryl

Hello Bobbie, Where did your ROGERS family originate? My ROGERS came from Somerset and went to Australia in 1849 but have no idea whether Henry Rogers and his wife Elizabeth had other family members who came here , Aus or even went to NZ maybe. Cheers Chris Aus -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian & Bobbie Amyes" <bamyes@xtra.co.nz> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 2:09 PM To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz]Re: BLENHEIM arrived New Plymouth 1842 > Question for Beth Re marriages on the BLENHEIM 1842 voyage. > > I was delighted to see your question as I was wondering too if there had > been any shipboard marriages. John Rogers and Charlotte seem to have been > a couple following the arrival of The Blenheim in 1842. John and Charlotte > went to Australia with Thomas and Janet [nee Barr] Rogers. No more > information on Charlotte after that. John later married Jane Robertson and > they had a large family. I know you have links to the Rogers family > [William Rogers and Mary Symons/Simmons] > Cheers > Bobbie > > >> On 11 October 2019 at 13:51 aotueka@xtra.co.nz wrote: >> >> >> Thanks guys. >> From what I have found, I suspect that there were no marriages on board >> ship before she docked as Stuart says, in November 1842. >> It was my last hope. >> Much appreciate the efforts. >> >> >> Beth >> >> >> >> > On 11 October 2019 at 07:25 spark@xtra.co.nz wrote: >> > >> > >> > Blenheim came to NZ twice for the New Zealand Company. The 1841 >> > marriage >> > Olwyn mentions was after the first voyage in 1840, which arrived in >> > Wellington on 27 December 1840 (with some of my ancestors on board). >> > Beth >> > was asking about the voyage to New Plymouth, which arrived there on 19 >> > November 1842. >> > >> > >> > _______________________ >> > Stuart Park >> > Kerikeri, New Zealand >> > spark@xtra.co.nz >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> >> > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:40 AM >> > To: new-zealand <new-zealand@rootsweb.com>; aotueka@xtra.co.nz >> > Subject: [nz]Re: BLENHEIM arrived New Plymouth 1842 >> > >> > No marriages listed here - a comprehensive study on the Blenheim. >> > New Zealand BDM records show the marriage on 5 February 1841 of Mary >> > Cameron >> > and Peter McGrigor, barely six weeks after the arrival of the Blenheim. >> > https://blenheim175.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/the-blenheim-people-2015.pdf >> > >> > No marriages mentioned in the diary transcription. >> > https://www.alivingpast.ca/skitchdiary.htm >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 19:47, <aotueka@xtra.co.nz> wrote: >> > >> > > Hello. >> > > >> > > Does anyone know whether there were any marriages performed on the >> > > BLENHEIM before she docked in New Plymouth in 1842? >> > > >> > > If there were, does SKS know where I could find a list? >> > > >> > > >> > > Thanks, Beth >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > >> > > The List Guidelines >> > > >> > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> > > RootsWeb community >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > The List Guidelines >> > >> > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe >> > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb >> > is >> > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Question for Beth Re marriages on the BLENHEIM 1842 voyage. I was delighted to see your question as I was wondering too if there had been any shipboard marriages. John Rogers and Charlotte seem to have been a couple following the arrival of The Blenheim in 1842. John and Charlotte went to Australia with Thomas and Janet [nee Barr] Rogers. No more information on Charlotte after that. John later married Jane Robertson and they had a large family. I know you have links to the Rogers family [William Rogers and Mary Symons/Simmons] Cheers Bobbie > On 11 October 2019 at 13:51 aotueka@xtra.co.nz wrote: > > > Thanks guys. > From what I have found, I suspect that there were no marriages on board ship before she docked as Stuart says, in November 1842. > It was my last hope. > Much appreciate the efforts. > > > Beth > > > > > On 11 October 2019 at 07:25 spark@xtra.co.nz wrote: > > > > > > Blenheim came to NZ twice for the New Zealand Company. The 1841 marriage > > Olwyn mentions was after the first voyage in 1840, which arrived in > > Wellington on 27 December 1840 (with some of my ancestors on board). Beth > > was asking about the voyage to New Plymouth, which arrived there on 19 > > November 1842. > > > > > > _______________________ > > Stuart Park > > Kerikeri, New Zealand > > spark@xtra.co.nz  > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 2:40 AM > > To: new-zealand <new-zealand@rootsweb.com>; aotueka@xtra.co.nz > > Subject: [nz]Re: BLENHEIM arrived New Plymouth 1842 > > > > No marriages listed here - a comprehensive study on the Blenheim. > > New Zealand BDM records show the marriage on 5 February 1841 of Mary Cameron > > and Peter McGrigor, barely six weeks after the arrival of the Blenheim. > > https://blenheim175.files.wordpress.com/2019/04/the-blenheim-people-2015.pdf > > > > No marriages mentioned in the diary transcription. > > https://www.alivingpast.ca/skitchdiary.htm > > > > > > On Wed, 9 Oct 2019 at 19:47, <aotueka@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > Hello. > > > > > > Does anyone know whether there were any marriages performed on the > > > BLENHEIM before she docked in New Plymouth in 1842? > > > > > > If there were, does SKS know where I could find a list? > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Beth > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > > RootsWeb community > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

This is a good find Jenelle. With Mary Ann's surname now identified as Wagg, I've double checked the First Families Database,(NZSG) and James William and his parents are listed. There is mention of Louise Jary on this same collection of Jary names, perhaps Lucy? Chris in Melbourne -----Original Message----- From: eco day [mailto:jmac2014@antmail.com.au] Sent: Friday, 11 October 2019 4:24 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz]JAMES WILLIAM JARY (New Zealand Completed Requests) Page 3 RootsChat.Com http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=759867.18 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Terry this maybe helpful to you. Google James Jary and Mary Ann Wagg… Jenelle. _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/new-zealand@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community