Thank you very much Nirvard for this comprehensive explanation about the Digest and how it works. I've been perplexed about the subject line and following some threads. Chris in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 5:07 PM Subject: [nz]Re: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 13, Issue 153 > Hi Chris > > There are two ways to receive list posts > > List mode = you get every post as its posted, easy to handle and reply to > if required, also easy to delete those of no interest to the subscriber > > Digest mode = dependent on the settings for the particular list, a digest > is sent out when it reaches a specified size > > Given the lack of posts these days I have no idea why digest is even an > option now, its completely unnecessary IMHO > > With digests, posts are all in a digest one after the other, to reply the > subscriber *should* (but very often doesn't) copy the subject line for > their post of interest to which they wish to reply, and replace the Digest > & volume details in the subject line, then delete all parts of the digest > that are not relevant to the post being replied to, add their reply and > send > > You will very often see the digest & volume number in the subject line and > the whole digest copied back to the list, which helps no one and just > fills the archives with junk > > As you can see, digest is a lot more work and *very* often digest users > forget to do the basics so you end up with strange and oft repeated > subject lines that tell the reader nothing useful > > With all replies to the list its sensible to delete all parts of the post > being replied to (in particular footer messages) that is what fills up a > digest quickly with no useful information > > If you notice from your own reply, it contains all the original footer > messages, taking up far more space than your own reply or the message you > are replying to > > Each time a post or reply is posted to the list, the footers are added > back automatically (to comply with regulations) so there is never a need > for those to be copied back in a reply > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 16/07/2018 02:45, Chris wrote: >> As a reasonably new lister, I've always been curious as to why headines >> in some posts relate to the NZ Digest Vol..., Issue ....could you explain >> further please about the Digest? >> Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community

Hansen Family History Finally, in November 1814, the Active set out on her second voyage to New Zealand with Captain Thomas Hansen in command, replacing Dillon. This time, the brig carried a total of 35 passengers, crew and returning natives plus an incredible collection of cattle, livestock, poultry, goats, cats and dogs according to passenger John Liddiard Nicholas. He listed all the people on board the Active as follows: Thomas Hansen Snr., master, Hannah Hansen, his wife and Thomas Hansen Jnr., their son. Rev. Samuel Marsden, Chief Chaplain of New South Wales John Liddiard Nicholas, friend of Marsden William Hall Snr., missionary, Dinah Hall, his wife, William Hall Jnr., their son Thomas Kendall, missionary, Jane Kendall, his wife and their three sons John King, missionary, Hannah King, his wife, Philip Hansen King, their infant son Walter Hall, convict prisoner and blacksmith Henry aka Patrick Shaffery, convict prisoner and labourer Richard Stockwell, convict prisoner and servant to the Kendalls Duaterra, Shunghi and Korra-korra, Chiefs in the Bay of Islands Tui, Jacky Miti, Tommy, Young Shungi and Tenana, all New Zealanders Alexander Ross and John Hunter, crew Thomas Hamilton and William Campbell, crew War-ra-kee and Tommy, New Zealanders plus Dicka-hee and Punee, crew. http://www.the1814hansenfamilysocietyinc.org/briefhistory.html My husband is descended from Thomas Kendall. Julie On 17/07/2018, at 11:22 AM, [email protected] wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:42 AM To: new-z[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Gwyneth, Jenelle, and anyone I may have missed. Just great to start the day with positive research info'. , on a miserable chilly day. We have sold our property and move in about 12 days. i.e. I am supposed to be downsizing, packing up, not unpacking to find certain books etc ( or so I am told). After the move I will send for the Death, / Marriage, information / records for Betty / Elizabeth Atkinson, if I am unable to download all that is available. However, F.Y.I. Betty (Elizabeth) Atkinson, has thousands of descendants in N.Z. Elizabeth Atkinson Tollis ( dau. of Betty Atkinson & Thomas Tollis,) married at age 16yrs., Thomas Hansen, moved back to Bay of Islands , New Zealand, produced 11 living children. He was a Trader, Farmer, Builder, and probably anything else, needed to feed his family. The first Hansen Reunion was 1990, the second 2015 . The Hansen family was the first Pakeha ( non Maori) family to arrive ( 1814), and settle permanently in New Zealand. I also have the Book about Thomas Tollis written by Enid Bohlsen, written c 1990's . Must get moving on sorting etc. thank you again, Mary

Unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 17 July 2018 9:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 13, Issue 164 Send NEW-ZEALAND mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NEW-ZEALAND digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Web Page called Our Stuff (Denise & Peter) 2. Re: First Fleet Convicts (Mary Legarth) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:38:57 +1200 From: Denise & Peter <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Web Page called Our Stuff To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Hi Olwyn. Hope all is well over in Texas and with the family? I have requested that our site be restore at least 3 times over recent months. Each time I am told that things have been taken down to make Rootsweb more secure etc, etc I'll try the link you suggested but I would have expected a more positive response from my original requests. Oh well. Keep safe. Peter & Denise On 16/07/2018 10:55 p.m., Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: > Good to see you out there Peter. > > As owners request their sites be restored we will add them to a queue > to scan and republish. Will still take 4 weeks plus. > > https://useraccount.rootsweb.com/websites/restoreWebsite > > On 16 July 2018 at 03:07, Denise & Peter <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi folks. >> >> Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there >> either) but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I >> have e-mailed them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you receive. >> >> Most frustrating. >> >> Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) >> >> >> On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: >> >>> I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, >>> it went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what >>> happened to our Stuff Cheers Jenny >>> > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:22:06 +1200 From: Mary Legarth <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is something in the Tollis Book ( by Enid Bohlsen), about Thomas's Military records, I think though, it is mainly Aus. Based records. I do know someone in England has done some in depth research into Thomas Tollis, but, as some of my stuff is already packed away, I cannot check, but I think it did include Military stuff. I had included a brief precis of this in my Legacy programme, but was part of some stuff I lost at one stage, & not gone back to my paper files to reinstate it all. I am not on Ancestry, but sometimes use the Public Library edition. Will be great to be back living a normal life, it is the downsizing that is doing my head in, and I thought we downsized 10 years ago when we sold and moved that time. ( I am getting too old for this. ) Mary -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2018 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Yes...did you get his military stuff..(on ancestry). Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Jenelle Some of us thought, given the English accents, if someone had a cold, saying, Tolhurst would sound like Tollis, or the reverse. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2018 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts I saw that Mary, also saw information on Thomas Tollis and the original spelling... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Gwyneth, Jenelle, and anyone I may have missed. Just great to start the day with positive research info'. , on a miserable chilly day. We have sold our property and move in about 12 days. i.e. I am supposed to be downsizing, packing up, not unpacking to find certain books etc ( or so I am told). After the move I will send for the Death, / Marriage, information / records for Betty / Elizabeth Atkinson, if I am unable to download all that is available. However, F.Y.I. Betty (Elizabeth) Atkinson, has thousands of descendants in N.Z. Elizabeth Atkinson Tollis ( dau. of Betty Atkinson & Thomas Tollis,) married at age 16yrs., Thomas Hansen, moved back to Bay of Islands , New Zealand, produced 11 living children. He was a Trader, Farmer, Builder, and probably anything else, needed to feed his family. The first Hansen Reunion was 1990, the second 2015 . The Hansen family was the first Pakeha ( non Maori) family to arrive ( 1814), and settle permanently in New Zealand. I also have the Book about Thomas Tollis written by Enid Bohlsen, written c 1990's . Must get moving on sorting etc. thank you again, Mary -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts That’s ok Mary, I’m sick in bed so helping to pass the time and I only have the books for a short time. Cheers Gwyneth > On 14 Jul 2018, at 1:32 pm, Mary Legarth <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, as far as we know, she did not marry. After some time in NSW, she > was living with a Thomas Tollis, he was a Corporal in the 48th Regiment . > They produced a daughter Elizabeth, born 1799, & within a few years > there was no further sign of Elizabeth Atkinson. Then Thomas married > an Ann Waters. > This daughter, Elizabeth, was my husband's Ancestor, she married a > Thomas Hansen, and they came to Bay of Islands, New Zealand. > > When I saw your e mail, I hoped there may be more info' about Betty. > Thank you for your time, all these queries must be filling up your weekend. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gwyneth Watson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 1:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts > > Sorry Mary, no mention of her. Do you know if she married? > > Cheers Gwyneth > Moss Vale, NSW > > >> On 14 Jul 2018, at 11:40 am, Mary Legarth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Gwyneth, >> >> I would be grateful if you could check the name; >> Betty ( Elizabeth) Atkinson, age 38 yrs., Transported Aus. 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There is something in the Tollis Book ( by Enid Bohlsen), about Thomas's Military records, I think though, it is mainly Aus. Based records. I do know someone in England has done some in depth research into Thomas Tollis, but, as some of my stuff is already packed away, I cannot check, but I think it did include Military stuff. I had included a brief precis of this in my Legacy programme, but was part of some stuff I lost at one stage, & not gone back to my paper files to reinstate it all. I am not on Ancestry, but sometimes use the Public Library edition. Will be great to be back living a normal life, it is the downsizing that is doing my head in, and I thought we downsized 10 years ago when we sold and moved that time. ( I am getting too old for this. ) Mary -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2018 2:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Yes...did you get his military stuff..(on ancestry). Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 11:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Jenelle Some of us thought, given the English accents, if someone had a cold, saying, Tolhurst would sound like Tollis, or the reverse. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2018 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts I saw that Mary, also saw information on Thomas Tollis and the original spelling... Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: Mary Legarth [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts Gwyneth, Jenelle, and anyone I may have missed. Just great to start the day with positive research info'. , on a miserable chilly day. We have sold our property and move in about 12 days. i.e. I am supposed to be downsizing, packing up, not unpacking to find certain books etc ( or so I am told). After the move I will send for the Death, / Marriage, information / records for Betty / Elizabeth Atkinson, if I am unable to download all that is available. However, F.Y.I. Betty (Elizabeth) Atkinson, has thousands of descendants in N.Z. Elizabeth Atkinson Tollis ( dau. of Betty Atkinson & Thomas Tollis,) married at age 16yrs., Thomas Hansen, moved back to Bay of Islands , New Zealand, produced 11 living children. He was a Trader, Farmer, Builder, and probably anything else, needed to feed his family. The first Hansen Reunion was 1990, the second 2015 . The Hansen family was the first Pakeha ( non Maori) family to arrive ( 1814), and settle permanently in New Zealand. I also have the Book about Thomas Tollis written by Enid Bohlsen, written c 1990's . Must get moving on sorting etc. thank you again, Mary -----Original Message----- From: Gwyneth Watson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 3:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts That’s ok Mary, I’m sick in bed so helping to pass the time and I only have the books for a short time. Cheers Gwyneth > On 14 Jul 2018, at 1:32 pm, Mary Legarth <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, as far as we know, she did not marry. After some time in NSW, she > was living with a Thomas Tollis, he was a Corporal in the 48th Regiment . > They produced a daughter Elizabeth, born 1799, & within a few years > there was no further sign of Elizabeth Atkinson. Then Thomas married > an Ann Waters. > This daughter, Elizabeth, was my husband's Ancestor, she married a > Thomas Hansen, and they came to Bay of Islands, New Zealand. > > When I saw your e mail, I hoped there may be more info' about Betty. > Thank you for your time, all these queries must be filling up your weekend. > > Mary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gwyneth Watson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2018 1:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz]Re: First Fleet Convicts > > Sorry Mary, no mention of her. Do you know if she married? > > Cheers Gwyneth > Moss Vale, NSW > > >> On 14 Jul 2018, at 11:40 am, Mary Legarth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Gwyneth, >> >> I would be grateful if you could check the name; >> Betty ( Elizabeth) Atkinson, age 38 yrs., Transported Aus. For 7 years, > Per Britannia, 1798. >> >> Mary Legarth >> Waipawa, >> New Zealand. >> > > _______________________________________________ > eb community

Hi I am trying to trace the family of Thomas Craig Dowding who was a private soldier under the surname Green in the NZ 26th Battalion during WW2 and taken prisoner in North Africa in Nov 1941 He married Majorie O'Halloran in 1946 and had two children, a boy and a girl. He worked for the NZ Forest Service and died in 2003 My reason for this is that he was one of five NZ prisoners of war (including my uncle) that were sheltered by an Italian family for several months 1943/44 after they escaped from a POW camp in northern Italy in Sept 1943. I will be visiting the family in Italy during August after 74 years and would like to contact the family of the other men who were with my uncle. If anyone knows of this family please get in touch. Regards, Ray Greer

Hi Olwyn. Hope all is well over in Texas and with the family? I have requested that our site be restore at least 3 times over recent months. Each time I am told that things have been taken down to make Rootsweb more secure etc, etc I'll try the link you suggested but I would have expected a more positive response from my original requests. Oh well. Keep safe. Peter & Denise On 16/07/2018 10:55 p.m., Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: > Good to see you out there Peter. > > As owners request their sites be restored we will add them to a queue to > scan and republish. Will still take 4 weeks plus. > > https://useraccount.rootsweb.com/websites/restoreWebsite > > On 16 July 2018 at 03:07, Denise & Peter <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi folks. >> >> Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there either) >> but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I have e-mailed >> them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you receive. >> >> Most frustrating. >> >> Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) >> >> >> On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: >> >>> I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, it >>> went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what happened to >>> our Stuff >>> Cheers Jenny >>> > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Good to see you out there Peter. As owners request their sites be restored we will add them to a queue to scan and republish. Will still take 4 weeks plus. https://useraccount.rootsweb.com/websites/restoreWebsite On 16 July 2018 at 03:07, Denise & Peter <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi folks. > > Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there either) > but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I have e-mailed > them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you receive. > > Most frustrating. > > Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) > > > On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: > >> I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, it >> went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what happened to >> our Stuff >> Cheers Jenny >> >

thanks for your reply, I will keep checking, your Auckland site came up yesterday, so maybe not to much longer, Cheers Jenny -------------------------------------------------- From: "Denise & Peter" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:07 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz]Re: Web Page called Our Stuff > Hi folks. > > Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there either) > but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I have e-mailed > them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you > receive. > > Most frustrating. > > Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) > > > On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: >> I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, it >> went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what happened to >> our Stuff >> Cheers Jenny >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=AeTfHQoHr4hxh_7B5HTOxJtd55y_y8bpk94vucvJbvU&s=JFw8RXVPSG003Jn4HpAgYMHSsSwpkUDtNHDwUbOim54&e= >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__new-2Dzealand-2Dl.blogspot.com_&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=JcfqoQ3wB7DtueuqmR6Z3seS9osEPd2ko8H3ljWzvMs&e= >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=lNM-KM-l8KiMydGmTYFUw2MgEgEf4tehiiLg6Xy0Klg&e= >> >> Unsubscribe and Archives >> https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ >> >> Privacy Statement: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kJwCddsiKH-TTVhO2mQiWd4D5-Hykt12_BoEU2DYkB8&e= >> Terms and Conditions: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kWvawQO39NYEsloohmh-GOASkjzfUzt6rK2VRBEc09w&e= >> >> Rootsweb Blog: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=_UvfOTjIPUFxK8-8LXsph6Vr6LtAAkwPi9aeE_6sOo8&e= >> >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__new-2Dzealand-2Dl.blogspot.com_&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=FeD2EvmfGfcRL6kiEncvxcKsyUb26Dx87azWJvPMLWk&e= > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=FVfU_5XPh68QVgzjktajdevY0fErQHPP-ZJb1XsMuW0&e= > > Unsubscribe and Archives > https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=UAH9U2E_BhpFSlfxB3jr0tZHR95yxW_S0QjOx-G-nNo&e= Terms and Conditions: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=Gtj6duQlxugHSty0ZgcHjQWHCGUlRK2AcusiW8aL0pg&e= > > Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=y0CYCucr8VmZb1RGvj9EtDn1c565uwAn2nsVzHwMM1o&e= > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=WwASKR12VLukk0x-fTt9btmBB1aHP5tXdu_mf9SqRpw&s=lRrESqDfEB8bw7rioWWRH1RXMC1kbRGNN_gnu9cFmIQ&e= >

I should have mentioned they were around New Plymouth.

Re Rootsweb sites/lists/etc. Information here: https://home.rootsweb.com/ [https://home.rootsweb.com/] You can request your pages be expedited. Link is there. Regards Bryan On 16-Jul-18 8:15:50 PM, Denise & Peter <[email protected]> wrote: Hi folks. Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there either) but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I have e-mailed them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you receive. Most frustrating. Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: > I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, it went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what happened to our Stuff > Cheers Jenny > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=AeTfHQoHr4hxh_7B5HTOxJtd55y_y8bpk94vucvJbvU&s=JFw8RXVPSG003Jn4HpAgYMHSsSwpkUDtNHDwUbOim54&e= > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__new-2Dzealand-2Dl.blogspot.com_&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=JcfqoQ3wB7DtueuqmR6Z3seS9osEPd2ko8H3ljWzvMs&e= > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=lNM-KM-l8KiMydGmTYFUw2MgEgEf4tehiiLg6Xy0Klg&e= > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kJwCddsiKH-TTVhO2mQiWd4D5-Hykt12_BoEU2DYkB8&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kWvawQO39NYEsloohmh-GOASkjzfUzt6rK2VRBEc09w&e= > > Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=_UvfOTjIPUFxK8-8LXsph6Vr6LtAAkwPi9aeE_6sOo8&e= > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ The List Guidelines https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__new-2Dzealand-2Dl.blogspot.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=inGtZew5xHwJmk9pyLprOGKy0_04-qaZSQh0kbuX2OA&s=1SlbNPOfnQ5NOnhDsSwD9awRjcU_bpJCozYqa0hnNd0&e= _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=inGtZew5xHwJmk9pyLprOGKy0_04-qaZSQh0kbuX2OA&s=Wm2UyCdkMwu12efTn-rq-dOGkc9-eyxXqdGI2Az5lX8&e= Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=inGtZew5xHwJmk9pyLprOGKy0_04-qaZSQh0kbuX2OA&s=1zOPslFjhUczBb4PAfypjOqJemQ0BO28p2FOjdUXILk&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=inGtZew5xHwJmk9pyLprOGKy0_04-qaZSQh0kbuX2OA&s=aZ5pjLycoluCdZhf43h61qcjxjKog5_G6ccVdahy44I&e= Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=inGtZew5xHwJmk9pyLprOGKy0_04-qaZSQh0kbuX2OA&s=56T5UlJuDvCjsbb2YXF2OE9jLcZEamkQ1NmJDUdr9e4&e= RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi folks. Apologies for the unavailability of our site (we can't get there either) but we are restricted by the unavailability of Rootsweb. I have e-mailed them 3 or 4 times and receive, I guess, much the same responses you receive. Most frustrating. Peter (Denise & Peters Our Stuff) On 14/07/2018 11:21 p.m., Jenny wrote: > I used to use a web site called our Stuff owned by Denise and Peter, it went down with all the rootsweb sites, does anyone know what happened to our Stuff > Cheers Jenny > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIFAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=AeTfHQoHr4hxh_7B5HTOxJtd55y_y8bpk94vucvJbvU&s=JFw8RXVPSG003Jn4HpAgYMHSsSwpkUDtNHDwUbOim54&e= > > _______________________________________________ > > The List Guidelines > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__new-2Dzealand-2Dl.blogspot.com_&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=JcfqoQ3wB7DtueuqmR6Z3seS9osEPd2ko8H3ljWzvMs&e= > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=lNM-KM-l8KiMydGmTYFUw2MgEgEf4tehiiLg6Xy0Klg&e= > > Unsubscribe and Archives https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/new-zealand/ > > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kJwCddsiKH-TTVhO2mQiWd4D5-Hykt12_BoEU2DYkB8&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=kWvawQO39NYEsloohmh-GOASkjzfUzt6rK2VRBEc09w&e= > > Rootsweb Blog: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rootsweb.blog&d=DwICaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=DuabEgLSkP-bgeQmgrTLUvWRZ_-ffQG12XWnQf_WhGA&s=_UvfOTjIPUFxK8-8LXsph6Vr6LtAAkwPi9aeE_6sOo8&e= > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community >

Hi Ian Firstly, what new owners ?? Rootsweb has been owned by Ancestry since the year 2000 Much of the problem has come about by moving to new Mailman software which works in different ways to the old, it was way overdue as the old system was patched up repeatedly to keep it going In the new system various things work in different ways, and its a matter of admins and Rootsweb staff getting over the changes gradually The footers are added by Ancestry/Rootsweb to comply with various regulations, but some subscribers just repeat them, which fills your digest, rather than deleting them when they reply As I have just posted to the list, personally I don't know why there is a digest option these days, there are hardly enough posts to warrant it Twenty years ago I would awake to over 400 rootsweb posts in the morning, these days you are lucky to see 15 from the over 80 lists I subscribe to If you register with Rootsweb (instructions here) https://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ You can control your own account settings, ie change from digest to list and can now put yourself on holiday mode, so remain on the list but receive no posts then change back to receiving when you return You also get a complete list of all the lists you are subscribed to The lack of editing and the oft repeated whole digests are nothing new, subscribers have been doing that for over twenty years, so I have my doubts they are going to learn the process any time soon ;-) Ian, there was a curious address in the To field, which I deleted %(real_name)s-admin"@rootsweb.com Did you mean to use that? To contact Hugh, as with all lists admins, go to https://home.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Select Mailing Lists from the top bar menu, search for and select the list of interest, in this case :- https://mailinglists.rootsweb.com/listindexes/search/NEW-ZEALAND Which will have the correct addresses for subscribing/unsubscribing and the list admin plus a link to that lists archives If registered with Rootsweb all that is much easier as all lists are in your own account Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/07/2018 02:39, Ian Grace wrote: > Megan > thanks for your advise post. > Like myself I presume you get Digest Mode. > > It used to be about 10 Messages per Digest, > but with all the c...p that is put on automatically > by the new owners, and the failure of Subscribers > to EDIT replies, I only seem to get 2 Post per Digest. > > I agree with you this is a total waste and I'm > considering going to individual posts rather than > getting 3-4 Digests a day (as that wasn't the point) > > I'm not sure how to contact Hugh now, as the > instructions in the Digest aren't clear. > However, I agree, ALL subscribers need to work > out how to EDIT replies on their systems. > > Ian > >

Hi Chris There are two ways to receive list posts List mode = you get every post as its posted, easy to handle and reply to if required, also easy to delete those of no interest to the subscriber Digest mode = dependent on the settings for the particular list, a digest is sent out when it reaches a specified size Given the lack of posts these days I have no idea why digest is even an option now, its completely unnecessary IMHO With digests, posts are all in a digest one after the other, to reply the subscriber *should* (but very often doesn't) copy the subject line for their post of interest to which they wish to reply, and replace the Digest & volume details in the subject line, then delete all parts of the digest that are not relevant to the post being replied to, add their reply and send You will very often see the digest & volume number in the subject line and the whole digest copied back to the list, which helps no one and just fills the archives with junk As you can see, digest is a lot more work and *very* often digest users forget to do the basics so you end up with strange and oft repeated subject lines that tell the reader nothing useful With all replies to the list its sensible to delete all parts of the post being replied to (in particular footer messages) that is what fills up a digest quickly with no useful information If you notice from your own reply, it contains all the original footer messages, taking up far more space than your own reply or the message you are replying to Each time a post or reply is posted to the list, the footers are added back automatically (to comply with regulations) so there is never a need for those to be copied back in a reply Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 16/07/2018 02:45, Chris wrote: > As a reasonably new lister, I've always been curious as to why headines > in some posts relate to the NZ Digest Vol..., Issue ....could you > explain further please about the Digest? > Chris

Hi Graham, Thanks for all the links. She sounds to be an interesting woman, but is now not related to my ancestors . Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hoult To: [email protected] Cc: Chris Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 2:33 PM Subject: More Re: Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch Hi Chris I have found a bit more information : Charlotte’s parents lived in Cumberland Street, Richmond. Lizzie Kerr was said to be Charlotte's step-sister. [I think that ‘step sister’ would now be known as ‘half sister’ ] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.aveburyhouse.co.nz_uploads_4_7_2_0_47203855_rcn-2D068-2Dapril-2D2009.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=p41QMdaHYump50fDogc6Kx_J4KtPnxljl9_YqBMQbe4&s=w1pIUg0Q2H6JxqF134nhT32GyIkE1O8M3_QAEws0cZw&e= THE LEDSHAM FAMILY HISTORY - These recollections were written by EDWIN FOX SCOTT WILLIAM LEDSHAM 1830-1908 - An early Richmond resident. “William Ledsham was the maternal grandfather of my late wife …” The author goes on to say “His bride was Charlotte Kerr, who arrived in Lyttelton on the ship MERMAID (Capt. Rose) on February 16th 1864 with her parents and a stepsister Lizzie Kerr. "Charlotte and William were married in the Holy Trinity Anglican Church, Lyttelton on 10th June 1865 by Rev Francis Knowles. "The Kerrs came from Northern Ireland, where Elizabeth and a girl named Carleton were playmates together in County Antrim and kept up a great affection between the families when the Carletons also emigrated to New Zealand. <snip> "William Ledsham was a tall man, while his wife was shortish in stature but a great walker. She regularly walked from Teddington to Christchurch by what was then only a rough track from Governors Bay up over Dyers Pass and down the hill to Colombo Street, thence to her parents home in Cumberland Street, Richmond. "She is on record that although heavy with child she arrived in Richmond by 9.0am to hear the school bell ringing for the start of lessons and in spite of her having risen so early she walked back to Teddington the same day. There’s quite a bit more ... Hope that helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury, NZ On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <[email protected]> messaged Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch Hello listers, Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. Thanking you Chris in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=p41QMdaHYump50fDogc6Kx_J4KtPnxljl9_YqBMQbe4&s=LhbSmbuK654EqnTk478afqEIpp3M7TW0nqi9A-_Ed3A&e= According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=p41QMdaHYump50fDogc6Kx_J4KtPnxljl9_YqBMQbe4&s=ztC1il-Yi6xbmGGcU3Tmg7kOMlj4F7VvZgMESrM5V3I&e= This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=p41QMdaHYump50fDogc6Kx_J4KtPnxljl9_YqBMQbe4&s=fxg7XBD1lLaX9d-YGdCyZdG5csRvQL-ImB4wPFkaGnw&e= It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=p41QMdaHYump50fDogc6Kx_J4KtPnxljl9_YqBMQbe4&s=BDvCTFoPxfGabW1doIYygT8UGOa8jNZHInykj4tyOVk&e= The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

Hi Chris I have found a bit more information : Charlotte’s parents lived in Cumberland Street, Richmond. Lizzie Kerr was said to be Charlotte's step-sister. [I think that ‘step sister’ would now be known as ‘half sister’ ] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.aveburyhouse.co.nz_uploads_4_7_2_0_47203855_rcn-2D068-2Dapril-2D2009.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=3g-WlFV3_RXSVpFa1Ix6a0Dva-lsellkf6JD1klaeSw&e= THE LEDSHAM FAMILY HISTORY - These recollections were written by EDWIN FOX SCOTT WILLIAM LEDSHAM 1830-1908 - An early Richmond resident. “William Ledsham was the maternal grandfather of my late wife …” The author goes on to say “His bride was Charlotte Kerr, who arrived in Lyttelton on the ship MERMAID (Capt. Rose) on February 16th 1864 with her parents and a stepsister Lizzie Kerr. "Charlotte and William were married in the Holy Trinity Anglican Church, Lyttelton on 10th June 1865 by Rev Francis Knowles. "The Kerrs came from Northern Ireland, where Elizabeth and a girl named Carleton were playmates together in County Antrim and kept up a great affection between the families when the Carletons also emigrated to New Zealand. <snip> "William Ledsham was a tall man, while his wife was shortish in stature but a great walker. She regularly walked from Teddington to Christchurch by what was then only a rough track from Governors Bay up over Dyers Pass and down the hill to Colombo Street, thence to her parents home in Cumberland Street, Richmond. "She is on record that although heavy with child she arrived in Richmond by 9.0am to hear the school bell ringing for the start of lessons and in spite of her having risen so early she walked back to Teddington the same day. There’s quite a bit more ... Hope that helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury, NZ On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged > Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch > > Hello listers, > > Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. > > Thanking you > > Chris > > in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=FBQU16T_XBz-PVEl88-jYR9OWXm-cA-H-ReGNJ5MdXs&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=FBQU16T_XBz-PVEl88-jYR9OWXm-cA-H-ReGNJ5MdXs&e=> According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=ODQFindnPTgvMwDVcNcmEy6x_VVIU-ObLfqr5lVNuFU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=ODQFindnPTgvMwDVcNcmEy6x_VVIU-ObLfqr5lVNuFU&e=> This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=eFR3YAONk8yvWXO6-3ddljUC9AcA5kJPZStISjIgxmQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=eFR3YAONk8yvWXO6-3ddljUC9AcA5kJPZStISjIgxmQ&e=> It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=uTsORGo3GH_RksZLkghGBGM92lHm-852bJm9tzRpOeA&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=otzmCVZvEgsDXufZ_uZo6Rm_yktILLz4WdNIS5P0hm0&s=uTsORGo3GH_RksZLkghGBGM92lHm-852bJm9tzRpOeA&e=> The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. > Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

Thank you to all listers who helped with this and special thanks to Graham who tied various pieces together and came up with definitive facts about place of birth. Well this has sorted things nicely as this Charlotte Kerr from Antrim doesn't belong to my family. Now back to my brickwall! Thanks again, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Hoult To: [email protected] Cc: Chris Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <[email protected]> messaged Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch Hello listers, Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. Thanking you Chris in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=g1S0WW7BlGnUPaEqTTTIKTuWMLm2HsCkBKuZWa2oQ_s&e= According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=TCxbiMgMIlsYzQONsjZeXTueI6EcpXVcdtykOOOeHF4&e= This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=h-lfUQR1F1cRZ3mDJ9mt08rRViUSZWDUvgCZPH5XtFg&e= It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=6IH-PlXbgfByxkC8qnOE-rYaB_URQMbFSQ8aS7b3sAo&s=3tGsG0iTgX5GB99KkXRiP3koIIk_ALhxeRjQ93S2SkQ&e= The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

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Looking for anyone following Shing. A few years back someone contacted me with regards to a Loy and Nellie Shing but I’ve lost the persons name.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 Chris <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged > Subject: [nz]Look up please Death 1932 Charlotte Ledsham-Christchurch > > Hello listers, > > Would it be possible for someone to look up the Christchurch fiches for the death of Charlotte Ledsham please. Date of death 7 Sept 1932. Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The BDM reg no is 1932/8303. > > Thanking you > > Chris > > in Melbourne Hi Chris Susan Wann found a lot of information in Mrs Charlotte LEDSHAM’s obituary on the Papers Past website Press, 17 September 1932, Page 2, almost at the bottom of https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP19320917.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=q0_b30PvdioO_KcCvK0H5Zl-jVc5rdUCBinZ08rSmx4&e= According to the obituary, the late Mrs Ledsham was born in County Antrim, Ireland, arrived in New Zealand with her parents in the ship Mermaid on February 16th, 1864, and married William LEDSHAM in Lyttelton in 1865. I found Charlotte's maiden surname (KERR) by searching the on-line Historic NZ marriage indexes https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz_Search_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=6qeJ1Be6JMKKU0Lo8z4Na6eS6IyidKJT-XYcNPQ6EHI&e= This indicated that a William LEDSHAM married Charlotte KERR in 1865. A bit of finger tapping on the site indicates that they married on 10 June 1865. NZ Marriage certificates at that time were not required to record the names of the parents. Charlotte’s death registration *should* record the names of her parents, but the information is only as accurate as the person knows and *says it on the day*. The Press, 18 February 1864, Page 2 printed a "List of Immigrants by the Mermaid” showing among Married Couples, Farm Labourers, the arrival of "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim”. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__paperspast.natlib.govt.nz_newspapers_CHP18640218.2.4&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=Vnc_00lzCjqYUo4a2gmj4as4kL6sj-EgcbSK6v4faB0&e= It may be that other KERR family members came on the same voyage. Also listed “Single Men, Farm Labourers” include P. Kerr, Antrim. “Single Women, Domestic Servants” include C. Kerr, L. Kerr, Antrim. An image of the index of the Mermaid passenger list on the Christchurch City Libraries website https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__christchurchcitylibraries.com_Heritage_Digitised_Emigration_EmbarkationLists_Mermaid-2D1863_Mermaid-2D1863.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=-mWZZZeVf-T2XFKEtPE1g25Egq_c7AQAHDafyY9XXQQ&m=TMPUkDMek7j-aLFTOaQAY0xL09g5a8daAzmWjI_gjPY&s=fPJJUvUzQ1zbABpCL1fASl34mkebxPN_PJikwOtrUfU&e= The INDEX listed a Peter KEIR [p] 4 and a David KERR [p] 9. Peter KEIR was from Forfarshire. I wondered if Charlotte’s father was David KERR. BINGO !! Here’s Charlotte in a family list !! Page 9 M F MC FC [Ages as on embarkation 15 November 1863] David KERR 36 Antrim Farm Labourer Mary do 36 James do 20 Transferred to page 16 Charlotte do 18 Transferred to page 22 Lizzie do 12 Transferred to page 22 Robert J. do 10 Page 16 James KERR 20 Antrim Farm Lab^r Transferred from p 9 Page 22 Charlotte KERR 18 Antrim Dom. Serv^t Transferred from p 9 Lizzie do 12 do do Transferred from p 9 "D. Kerr, wife and one child, Antrim” Mary (36) is obviously David (36)’s wife. Robert (10) is probably their son. It may be that Lizzie (12), who travelled with Charlotte in the single women’s quarters, is also David and Mary’s child. “ [Charlotte] arrived in New Zealand with her parents " If correct, her parents would appear to be Davis and Mary KERR. But, looking at the ages, I’m wondering if Charlotte (18) and James (20) are David’s siblings, or possibly a niece and nephew. If that’s the case, we still don’t know the name of Charlotte’s parents. > Am interested in place of birth and names of parents. The answer to the first part, the place of Charlotte’s birth, appears to be Antrim, Ireland. What we do have is David KERR born Antrim abt 1827 Mary, his wife born abt 1827 James KERR born Antrim abt 1843 Charlotte KERR born Antrim abt 1845 Lizzie KERR born Antrim abt 1851 Robert J. KERR born Antrim abt 1853 Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

A reminder that not all passengers were listed. My relatives a case in point. Isaac Dixon died on board the ‘Mermaid’ in Lyttelton Harbour. As a consequence I haven’t found him on the Mermaid excepting it is on his death certificate and in the affidavits his wife Ann Dixon (Bird) swore for probate. With them was their daughter Elizabeth - none were listed. Cheers Gwyneth