Maybe it is in the genes as both royal families revel in lengthy ceremonies full of pomp and pageantry. Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Byers" <petpad.byers@gmail.com> To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 10:57 PM Subject: [nz] Maori links with the British royal family > All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with > the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori > woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place > during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. > This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between > the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been > recognised, and whenever the Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging > to this family. The link dated back to some time before Queen Victoria > came to the throne. > Was this woman pulling my leg, or is there some truth to her story? > Paddy > South Hobart > Tasmania > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have replied direct to Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & K Skudder" <skudd@xtra.co.nz> To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 10:41 Subject: [nz] Ralls lookup. > Is there SKS who has access to the 1901 England census, would do a lookup > for me, for Ernest Victor Ralls b 1870/71 Churchill Oxford England. I'm > trying to find his wife's maiden name, and at present all I can find is > her > Christian names as Emma Jane-------. Ernest and his wife Emma, and their > first child Ernest Stephen, must of emigrated to New Zealand shortly after > the 1901 census was taken, and so I'm hoping that Emma Jane is the correct > Christian names of his wife, as they are the only ones I can find, and fit > around the death dates of them both here in N Z. > Thank you very much for any replies. Regards Keith > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3705/7153 - Release Date: 03/04/14 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3705/7153 - Release Date: 03/04/14

It reminds me of when I was first trawling Ancestry.com family trees and was startled to discover my forebears linked on a tree to Royalty and Peerage of England and Europe. There WAS a link, but it was very very slight through umpteen great nephews or something or other of a great grand niece of my 4x great grandparents. These trees leave me wondering why some people find it imperative to find 'blood' links like this - and how can they prove them by the time honoured genealogy rule of three vital records? Another recent contact from my wider family insisted on sending me a huge convoluted tree from his side (not mine) that linked back to medieval kings of Europe (groan). I also did some research for someone in the UK who was attempting to disprove a royal rumour in their family. Their family member came to NZ and bigamously married a woman who had given herself great titles, but was actually a commoner from Wales. I found the husband's divorce papers from his first wife in NZ Archives, which alleged desertion and great wrong-doing of first wife in England. The English folk requesting the info told me the wife filing for divorce had actually left her husband, had another child and also married bigamously before the divorce here! New Zealand was considered far enough away from 'home' that many people immigrating in the 19C and 20C fudged their past and recreated new identities for themselves. The stories of 'remittance men' who lived in NZ also showed that it was also considered a safe option for upper-class and aristocratic English families to pay to send their disgraced relatives out of sight and out of mind of society. cheers Cynthia >>I do hope we all recognise these 'pretty stories' for what they are - >>unproved (- unprovable ?) myths and legends - a bit like the Greek Myths >>really, with their accounts of various descents from the >>gods......!! >>>OR - perhaps there is an online database somewhere...?? Stephen ////

Reminds me of the lady I worked with for over 3 years, she swore blind that her father was Edward V111, and who her mother was, I never for one second believed her story, but worked on it very hard over the years, and still on it, as there is more to it than she realised. I even wrote to Clarence House about her, as she was claiming three million pounds inheritance from the powers to be... But doing this history taught me more of the Royal family than I already knew, it was actually very interesting... We had to prove that the story was not true... also her story about during the War, she escaped Prison in Christchurch, made her way to Wellington, boarded a ship to Germany and her friend over there, put her on a submarine back to NZ.. a likely story that was on a German submarine with all male submariners... and one woman on board... tell you it had the German Archives wondering who was this woman.. I had a historian helping me sort out the tales.. She still does not believe me, says I am lying with the story... not so lady, I speak the truth... the whole truth and nothing but the truth... Folk say didnt you believe the story, I said no we had to prove that it was fiction so we kept on at it..I never charged her for my research, even out of pocket getting certificates, but tell you it was interesting none the less... -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Greetings from Western Australia Have sent the info direct to Keith email address Cheers Terry Walsh Bayswater WA 6053 -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D & K Skudder Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 8:42 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Ralls lookup. Is there SKS who has access to the 1901 England census, would do a lookup for me, for Ernest Victor Ralls b 1870/71 Churchill Oxford England. I'm trying to find his wife's maiden name, and at present all I can find is her Christian names as Emma Jane-------. Ernest and his wife Emma, and their first child Ernest Stephen, must of emigrated to New Zealand shortly after the 1901 census was taken, and so I'm hoping that Emma Jane is the correct Christian names of his wife, as they are the only ones I can find, and fit around the death dates of them both here in N Z. Thank you very much for any replies. Regards Keith The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a story that the family of Sir Robert Rex premier of Nuie were descended from an illegitimate child of a member of the royal family. A former all black or 7s player is part of that family and once said they had royal connections. May well be true as many people in England especially in the aristocracy are descendants of Charles II's mistresses. When Prince William eventually becomes King he will be the first King since Charles II with Stuart blood from 2 of Princess Diana's ancestors. Shirley > On 4 Mar 2014, at 09:57, Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> wrote: > > All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. > This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging to this family. The link dated back to some time before Queen Victoria came to the throne. > Was this woman pulling my leg, or is there some truth to her story? > Paddy > South Hobart > Tasmania age

Hi Paddy, From memory a King of England had a mistress who had children to him. She left England for South Africa and a child come onto New Zealand. It was talked about on TV with Frank Bunce, a ex Allblack. He was aware of the connection but didn't make a big deal about it. As for the Queen visiting I have no idea. Regards John Reed On 4/03/2014 10:57 p.m., Patricia Byers wrote: > All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. > This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the Queen

Robyn ........give us some details  -  come now, don't be coy..........!! Regards Stephen //// ________________________________ From: "dragonplace@clear.net.nz" <dragonplace@clear.net.nz> To: Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> Cc: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [nz] Maori links with the British royal family You are correct in thinking of a NZ Link to Bristish Royals. There is a grave that is visited annually and flowers placed there. The blood link is white not Maori. Is well known in the upper class circle. Robyn ----- Original Message Follows ----- > All this news about whether or not the current royals will > be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief > conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui > Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during > one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. This > woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood > link between the British royal family and a Maori family > in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the > Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging to this > family. The link dated back to some time before Queen > Victoria came to the throne. Was this woman pulling my leg > , or is there some truth to her story? Paddy > South Hobart > Tasmania

All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging to this family. The link dated back to some time before Queen Victoria came to the throne. Was this woman pulling my leg, or is there some truth to her story? Paddy South Hobart Tasmania

Hi Bryan: His records (and most WWII records) are held by the New Zealand Defence Force at Trentham. Tell them the details you have eg what you know of his military service etc; they supply one free file per year. http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/accessing-military-service-records.htm http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/how-to-find-contact-us.htm Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] Finding Records > Thomas William Jamieson, No 4313639, for a time, served with the RNZAF as > a > Medical Orderly. > > At sometime he had further training and was selected to work on the TSS > Maunganui Hospital Ship, The ship departed for its initial trip from > Wellington 21 April 1941. The ship remained the responsibility of the N Z > Army Medical Headquarters throughout the war, > > On his grave stone is the service No NZEF 279645. > Where would I write to get Thomas' service details? > > Bryan Curran >

Thomas William Jamieson, No 4313639, for a time, served with the RNZAF as a Medical Orderly. At sometime he had further training and was selected to work on the TSS Maunganui Hospital Ship, The ship departed for its initial trip from Wellington 21 April 1941. The ship remained the responsibility of the N Z Army Medical Headquarters throughout the war, On his grave stone is the service No NZEF 279645. Where would I write to get Thomas' service details? Bryan Curran

..........and sometimes the length and 'pompiness' of one's ceremonies are too long for the other one....!!!! Stephen //// ________________________________ From: Murray Reid <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> To: Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com>; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [nz] Maori links with the British royal family Maybe it is in the genes as both royal families revel in lengthy ceremonies full of pomp and pageantry. Murray ...[snip]....

I do hope we all recognise these 'pretty stories' for what they are - unproved (- unprovable ?) myths and legends - a bit like the Greek Myths really, with their accounts of various descents from the gods......!! OR - perhaps there is an online database somewhere...?? Stephen //// ________________________________ From: Shirley Arabin <arabin@wave.co.nz> To: 'Jason Payne' <jasonpayneuk@btinternet.com>; 'Patricia Byers' <petpad.byers@gmail.com> Cc: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [nz] Maori links with the British royal family There was a story that the family of Sir Robert Rex premier of Nuie were descended from an illegitimate child of a member of the royal family. A former all black or 7s player is part of that family and once said they had royal connections. May well be true as many people in England especially in the aristocracy are descendants of Charles II's mistresses. When Prince William eventually becomes King he will be the first King since Charles II with Stuart blood from 2 of Princess Diana's ancestors. Shirley > On 4 Mar 2014, at 09:57, Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> wrote: > > All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. > This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging to this family. The link dated back to some time before Queen Victoria came to the throne. > Was this woman pulling my leg, or is there some truth to her story? > Paddy > South Hobart > Tasmania

Hi Peter , It's possible 'your' Thomas Hughs ( Thomas Hughes / Thomas John Hughes / Thomas Joseph Hughes is the man listed ( Thomas Hughes ) as a 23-year-old Irish passenger aboard the ship ORSOVA departing London , 15 January ,1915 ., bound for Australia . His listed occupation , chauffeur , ties in with that given at his wife's divorce petition hearing , in Australia ,1939 ....... Cheers , Ray

Hi Paddy, I think you might be victim to a kiwi prank there (up there with my dad telling visiting English cousins that the cabbage on the table was from the cabbage tree in the back yard!) as far as I know the only Maori link to the Royal family was the recent wedding of Lady Davina and Gary Lewis. Cheers, Jason Payne London Sent from my iPhone > On 4 Mar 2014, at 09:57, Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> wrote: > > All this news about whether or not the current royals will be meeting with the NZ Maori royals reminded me of a brief conversation I had with a Maori woman in the Wanganui Library. It occurred many years ago and took place during one of the present Queen's visits to New Zealand. > This woman told me in all seriousness that there was a blood link between the British royal family and a Maori family in NZ. The link had been recognised, and whenever the Queen visited NZ she visited people belonging to this family. The link dated back to some time before Queen Victoria came to the throne. > Was this woman pulling my leg, or is there some truth to her story? > Paddy > South Hobart > Tasmania > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Folks I am trying to establish if there is a link between the above two Williams families. (William) Henry Wynn Williams came from Wales and arrived in Wellington, NZ in 1858 as Williams. The Wynn was added later. Henry married Emily Coward in 1861. His parents were Peter Lewis Williams and Sophia Lydia Price. Frederick Wynn Williams married (Polly) Mary Jane Wilson in 1890 in ChCh. He was born in 1867 His parents were Frederick Walter Williams and Rosina Breitmeyer, who married in 1863 in NZ.. Frederick Walter Williams and Henry Williams are of the same generation. I know that they are not siblings. Is anyone out there researching either of these families? Gordon

Ellen Munro 1847-1870 is my great grandmother's sister. Isabella Blair Munro 1859-1889 married Thomas Pascoe BRYANT. she died 14 days after my Grandmother Lucy Bella Bryant was born. On 1/03/14 9:50 PM, hilton doidge wrote: > William LORKIN married Ellen MUNRO in 1867. 2 known children... > > Elizabeth Sarah LORKIN bn c1868 and Charles William LORKIN, bn c1870. > > Elizabeth Sarah appears to have died as an infant. > > > > > > Looking for any descendants of Charles William LORKIN who married Adelina > NICKEL nee SCHULZ c1914. > > [There may not be any children, Adelina may have thought 13 children in > previous relationships may have been enough... BUT you never know!] > > > > Both Adelina and Charles William died 1946 and are buried in Park Island > Cemetery, Napier. > > > > Hilton Doidge > > Waikato > -- Elwyn Goldsbury Pukerua Bay, Porirua 5026 phone Home +64-42398431 mobile +64-21-305522 skype = elwyn.goldsbury

Here are 2 children for William and Ellen 1868/19769 Lorkin Elizabeth Sarah Ellen William - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1868%2F19769> Order Product 1870/21783 Lorkin Charles William Ellen William - Here is 12 of the births of Adelina and Ferdinand (previous marriage) 1893/13729 Nickel Eva Mabel Adalina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1893%2F13729> Order Product 1888/158 Nickel Emma Magdalene Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1888%2F158> Order Product 1894/13047 Nickel Ida May Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1894%2F13047> Order Product 1889/8182 Nickel Albert Otto Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1889%2F8182> Order Product 1891/16921 Nickel Adelina Ruby Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1891%2F16921> Order Product 1892/12157 Nickel Maude Louisa Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1892%2F12157> Order Product 1896/14382 Nickel Ivy Florence Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1896%2F14382> Order Product 1907/6817 Nickel Thelma Doris Adelina NR - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1907%2F6817> Order Product 1885/1609 Nickel Augusta Adelina Adelina Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1885%2F1609> Order Product 1904/19467 Nickel Arthur James Eric Adelina Ferdenand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1904%2F19467> Order Product 1903/14512 Nickel Monaca Gertrude Adeline Ferdinand - <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2Fcar tRecordSubmit.m%3FReportName%3Dnzbth%26key%3D1903%2F14512> Order Product 1886/19703 Nickel Ferdinand Edward Adeline Ferdinand -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of hilton doidge Sent: Saturday, 1 March 2014 9:51 p.m. To: NZ L Subject: [nz] William LORKIN... Ellen MUNRO... Adelina SCHULZ... William LORKIN married Ellen MUNRO in 1867. 2 known children... Elizabeth Sarah LORKIN bn c1868 and Charles William LORKIN, bn c1870. Elizabeth Sarah appears to have died as an infant. Looking for any descendants of Charles William LORKIN who married Adelina NICKEL nee SCHULZ c1914. [There may not be any children, Adelina may have thought 13 children in previous relationships may have been enough... BUT you never know!] Both Adelina and Charles William died 1946 and are buried in Park Island Cemetery, Napier. Hilton Doidge Waikato The List Guidelines <http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - <http://www.avg.com> www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7131 - Release Date: 02/27/14

Hi Beth, There are two possibilities, the McNab collection held in Dunedin Public Library http://www.dunedinlibraries.govt.nz/heritage/digital-resources/mcnab-new-zealand-collection Or the Alexander Turnbull collection held with the National Library of New Zealand http://natlib.govt.nz/collections/a-z/alexander-turnbull-library-collections Both hold shipping lists and ships diaries which might help you out, happy hunting! Jason ________________________________ From: Beth Wagstaff <aotueka@xtra.co.nz> To: "new-zealand@rootsweb.com" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 2 March 2014, 2:54 Subject: [nz] Ship MARY THOMSON 1856 Hello list . . . I understand that the vessel MARY THOMSON ( or THOMPSON ) plied between Wellington and several South Island ports on a regular basis during the 1850's.    I have been searching for a list of passengers who were on the sailing which arrived in Nelson on 2nd May 1856 but have had no success - even on Papers Past.   Does anyone have a listing at all, or any access to this passenger list?    Or can direct me to a website to search?   Thanks in advance,   Beth The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message