Re: Runnymede memorial (Allan Steel) Hi, Have you tried The War Graves Photographic Project? They will probably have a photo of F/Sgt McGregor's memorial. This link should take you to his name on the site: http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3243498 Regards, Phil

Re: Runnymede memorial (Allan Steel) Hi, Have you tried The War Graves Photographic Project? They will probably have a photo of F/Sgt McGregor's memorial. This link should take you to his name on the site: http://twgpp.org/information.php?id=3243498 Regards, Phil On 17 March 2014 01:38, <new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: JAMES ST LEDGER WAUGH (Graham L Jones) > 2. Runnymede memorial (Allan Steel) > 3. James St Ledger Waugh (Les & Sue Tuner) > 4. The Ship - Penguin (Ravenstone) > 5. PENGELLY - PENGELLEY added (Beverley) > 6. WACKROW (Adele Pentony-Graham) > 7. Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler (Rhonda and Dave) > 8. Re: Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler (Ray Rob) > 9. Re: WACKROW (Terry Kavanagh) > 10. Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > (Olwyn Whitehouse) > 11. Re: Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? (Sarndra) > 12. Re: Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? (Sarndra) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 18:21:12 +1300 > From: Graham L Jones <gee.jay@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [nz] JAMES ST LEDGER WAUGH > To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <532534C8.6070608@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Not found on the Victoria Outwards file. There is a James Waugh but much > earlier, 1862. Disc details only go up to 1923. > > Graham > > On 16/03/2014 5:37 p.m., Les & Sue Tuner wrote: > > Would anyone be able to help me with the arrival in New zealand of James > St Ledger Waugh. He was born 1885 in Victoria Australia, we think he may > have come to Otago as he made his home around this district. he married a > Catherine Dorward at Lovells Flat and i know he lived around the Milton > Balclutha area his son born Milton. just to tie up the family tree just to > find what ship he came from Victoria on to NZ. > > Thank You. > > Sue > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > Graham Jones, > 139 Hokianga Road, > DARGAVILLE 0310 > 09-439-8519 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 19:16:26 +1300 > From: "Allan Steel" <asteel@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] Runnymede memorial > To: "nz list" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C0EAB770457245BAB6D8B5CFE5A0EE1E@Dads> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi folks, > Looking for any list member that may have a photo of Panel 199 of the > above memorial. > WW2 ? Flt Sgt Keith Alexander McGregor. > > Thank you, > Regards > Allan > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 22:32:16 +1300 > From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] James St Ledger Waugh > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7DEADB01B9E643019AEE56ED17E50473@LesTurnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you to folk who got back to me on him, we have most of his family > tree his wife Constance did marry twice and he did have a son by the same > name. he is my friends grandad i did most of the family research on the > family but couldnt just find what boat he came on. > Would the intentions to marry be found in Wellington would some kind > person be able to look up for me. i know he married Lovell Flat > Presbyterian church 1916 to Constance Amy Dorward, > thanking you all. > sue > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 04:53:52 +1300 > From: "Ravenstone" <ravenstone@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] The Ship - Penguin > To: "List - NZ Messages" <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <D0CBB01FEA034D058EE1C2440674B420@ron7f9dbc63515> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi List, > > I wish to thank all those persons who sent me information, both on List > and off List in regards to the ship PENGUIN. > > It has clearly established the fact that the particular family concerned > was told a porky. This has now pushed that query to the bottom of the fable > tray. > > > Thanks again, > > Ron > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:19:39 +1300 > From: Beverley <bevevans@ihug.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] PENGELLY - PENGELLEY added > To: NZ Mailing List <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5325F94B.6010701@ihug.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello All > I have just added info from the library for PENGELLY and PENGELLEY > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/PENGELLEY.PENGELLY.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:05:13 +1300 > From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [nz] WACKROW > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F71A9784744F0978268D4B2DC9000@adminTHINK> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently > its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that > but > finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the > names, > Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles > married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years > working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over > the > weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both > together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened > up > my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some > of > the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical Society > about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes down, I > will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, and > schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of > course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. > Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church yard > there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to give a > headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. > > > > > > Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! > > > > > > Adele > > Clareville Cemetery researcher > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 07:20:59 +1000 > From: "Rhonda and Dave" <popnana@tpg.com.au> > Subject: [nz] Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler > To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <368B37F1FFCC42298B28C81901A1253C@home2ae8dac884> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > in the South Island to my knowledge > Thank you > Rhonda > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 10:37:50 +1300 > From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Marker, Daniell, Garner and Roesler > To: Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au> > Cc: New Zealand Forum <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAEWioP= > gPHsD-P2BgXowZWSgHP_8h79U3pgo4_80uYg-GnfOBA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Rhonda , > Should nobody be researching these four surnames , it could still be worth > asking for help via this Mailing List ... > eg I can see reference to : > > ROESLER - > Frederick William > Henry > Maria Anna > Diana Marie > > MARKER- > Olive Eileen > > Cheers , > Ray > > > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au > >wrote: > > > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > > in the South Island to my knowledge > > Thank you > > Rhonda > > > > --- > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > > protection is active. > > http://www.avast.com > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 08:55:05 +1100 > From: Terry Kavanagh <kiwikav@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] WACKROW > To: Adele Pentony-Graham <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> > Cc: Rootsweb Mail <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAAgbrsBXbDmogjd+BckenqLfz-VGwAQjsrf3erae9erj8WH9Mg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Adele, > > Happy St Pat's Day to you as well and to all the Irish out there. > > Several years ago we corresponded in relation to the BOWLES/TAYLOR > connection and it was interesting to see the reference arise once again. > > I have the TAYLOR/WACKROW connection in my tree as well, of course. > > Caroline was the daughter of my Great Great Grandfather, Frederick Benjamin > TAYLOR,s sister Mary Ann TAYLOR and is listed as my cousin 3 times removed > > Whereas the Bowles moved from TAWA to the Waiarapa my lot moved up the > coast to Foxton and from there north to the Waikato in later generations. > > > On 17 March 2014 07:05, Adele Pentony-Graham <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz > >wrote: > > > For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently > > its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that > > but > > finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the > > names, > > Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles > > married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years > > working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over > > the > > weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both > > together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened > > up > > my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some > > of > > the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical > Society > > about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes > down, I > > will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, > and > > schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of > > course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. > > Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church > yard > > there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to > give a > > headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. > > > > > > > > > > > > Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! > > > > > > > > > > > > Adele > > > > Clareville Cemetery researcher > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 17:06:35 -0700 > From: Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the > AIF? > To: new-zealand <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALhxcQZEcpC2Tje-C01=fYWiDyK0mmGo5k6UoSEku= > UunE0apA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:23:24 +1300 > From: "Sarndra" <sarndra@sarndra.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and > the AIF? > To: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <62F85A4FC14247029148A1769813E8E6@SEL6560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > His correct name was John ARNST - John and Jack were interchangable as > nicknames > > He's on Cenotaph. > > > http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/439.detail?Ordinal=1&c_surname_search=arnst > > Cheers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 13:37:44 +1300 > From: "Sarndra" <sarndra@sarndra.com> > Subject: Re: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and > the AIF? > To: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" > <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <23A42890351D4BA495071B4DB0980FC0@SEL6560> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Oh sorry you've already got that I see... i'm in Perth in holiday mode but > still on Auckland time....haven't woken up yet LOL! It doesn't appear he > had anything to do with the AIF. > > Nice wee obituary for him on 'Trove' and states he enlisted 3 years > previously in NZ long before him having to compulsory do so > http://tinyurl.com/poxeur4 > > > Cheers > Sarndra > > -----Original Message----- > From: Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the NEW-ZEALAND list administrator, send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the NEW-ZEALAND mailing list, send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 64 > ****************************************** >

May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all in the South Island to my knowledge Thank you Rhonda --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi List, I wish to thank all those persons who sent me information, both on List and off List in regards to the ship PENGUIN. It has clearly established the fact that the particular family concerned was told a porky. This has now pushed that query to the bottom of the fable tray. Thanks again, Ron

Thank you to folk who got back to me on him, we have most of his family tree his wife Constance did marry twice and he did have a son by the same name. he is my friends grandad i did most of the family research on the family but couldnt just find what boat he came on. Would the intentions to marry be found in Wellington would some kind person be able to look up for me. i know he married Lovell Flat Presbyterian church 1916 to Constance Amy Dorward, thanking you all. sue

*From:* Brendon <arbbast@gmail.com> *Subject:* [nz] William Arbuckle - Sarah Grace Whitely - Children *Date:* Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:12:27 +1300 Can someone do a look up for me please. Just wanting to confirm the children of William Arbuckle and Sarah Grace Whitely. William was born 21 Oct 1837 and died 8 November 1910 and Sarah died 6 March 1924. Unsure of her birth year Thanks Brendon Are you missing some? Try https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/ To obtain the DOB or DOD of an event - narrow the range down for records post 1875 does give the correct date. Married in 1880 1881/7836 Arbuckle Matthew Milne 1883/7655 Arbuckle Georgina 1885/8797 Arbuckle Jane Carse 1887/4442 Arbuckle John Carse 1889/6906 Arbuckle Sarah Grace 1891/7809 Arbuckle William Henry 1893/9068 Arbuckle Alice 1896/11680 Arbuckle Harold 1897/16169 Arbuckle Albert Edward

Hi folks, Looking for any list member that may have a photo of Panel 199 of the above memorial. WW2 – Flt Sgt Keith Alexander McGregor. Thank you, Regards Allan

Not found on the Victoria Outwards file. There is a James Waugh but much earlier, 1862. Disc details only go up to 1923. Graham On 16/03/2014 5:37 p.m., Les & Sue Tuner wrote: > Would anyone be able to help me with the arrival in New zealand of James St Ledger Waugh. He was born 1885 in Victoria Australia, we think he may have come to Otago as he made his home around this district. he married a Catherine Dorward at Lovells Flat and i know he lived around the Milton Balclutha area his son born Milton. just to tie up the family tree just to find what ship he came from Victoria on to NZ. > Thank You. > Sue > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519

Would anyone be able to help me with the arrival in New zealand of James St Ledger Waugh. He was born 1885 in Victoria Australia, we think he may have come to Otago as he made his home around this district. he married a Catherine Dorward at Lovells Flat and i know he lived around the Milton Balclutha area his son born Milton. just to tie up the family tree just to find what ship he came from Victoria on to NZ. Thank You. Sue

Is anyone researching John HAMILTON ? He was a passenger per Zealandia 1862, age 26, Farm Lab., from Co.Down. On board on that Trip we have Finlay, Hampton & Hamilton all from Co. Down. Was John was part of that extended family ? I bought the 1878 Birth Certificate for a child to John Hamilton & Jane Finlay, neither parent is from Co.Down. There are a number of John Hamilton's showing , on the BDM on line, too many to start buying further Certificates , so am trying this avenue, hoping I strike Gold. Mary __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9547 (20140315) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? I can't find his AIF service record. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in France August 25 1918 A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he twice established the fastest time. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? ARNST, JOHN (JACK) Rank: Private Service No: 51967 Date of Death: 25/08/1918 Age: 37 Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 1st Bn. GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the district who had served their country at the front, was performed by Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased.

Does this link help? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sooty/penguin.html -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ravenstone Sent: 16 March 2014 13:51 To: List - NZ Messages Subject: [nz] The Ship - Penguin Hi List, Would anyone have a List of persons names on the PENGUIN on the day it sunk off Wellington. There was 105 persons onboard when it sank, 64 passengers and 41 crew. 75 of these souls lost their lives. I am trying to sort out a family story. Up until now I have had it in my fable tray, but anyone can assist, it may resolve the story. TIA. Ron

Yes - from 1860 to 1863, Otago's population went about 12,500 to about 77,000 Bob M On 16/03/2014 2:34 p.m., Graham Hoult wrote: > Wow! I hadn't realised the scale of people coming after gold > > http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5704145 > > The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.), Monday 16 September 1861, Page 4 > > (article in small print towards the bottom of clipping) > [split into paragraphs to make it easier to read] > >

Wow! I hadn't realised the scale of people coming after gold http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5704145 The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.), Monday 16 September 1861, Page 4 (article in small print towards the bottom of clipping) [split into paragraphs to make it easier to read] Sandridge Pier was on Saturday last the scene of great excitement, from the crowds of diggers embarking for Otago, and the almost equally numerous body assembled to see them off, and give them a parting cheer. About 2,000 persons sailed for the new gold-field in the course of the day, almost all of them experienced miners. Amongst them were a party organized and headed by Mr. Edwards, the original discoverer of gold at Clunes, who proposes thoroughly to prospect the scene of the recent discoveries. The day was beautiful, with a fresh breeze from the north-west, and the scene as the vessels got under way was extremely animated. The first off was the Empress of the Sea, carrying upwards of 600 passengers. She was followed by the steam-ship Oscar, with 354 ; the ship Lightning, with upwards of 700 ; and the barque Benjamin Heape, with about 100 ; while the barque Oscar cleared out to follow, with some 120 diggers. Favoured by the wind, the splendid clipper-ships Empress and Lightning soon passed out of view down channel, after canvas was put upon them ; while the Oscar, with full steam on and canvas set, made a favourable commencement of her voyage. Large as this exodus was, it has not exhausted the stream of emigrants ; and the fine Blackwall clipper Result has now been added to the fleet on the berth for Otago, for which port she sails on Wednesday. Probably the Hobson's Bay Railway Company never took down more passengers in one day than on Saturday last. While the New Zealand ships were getting to sea, the Wellesley was taking on board the last of her cargo for London ; and, when she is included, it may fairly be reckoned that over £20,000 were paid for passages by the ships named ; and it is a reasonable estimate that £60,000 were taken from the colony by the emigrants.

Hi List, Would anyone have a List of persons names on the PENGUIN on the day it sunk off Wellington. There was 105 persons onboard when it sank, 64 passengers and 41 crew. 75 of these souls lost their lives. I am trying to sort out a family story. Up until now I have had it in my fable tray, but anyone can assist, it may resolve the story. TIA. Ron

Are descendants of the following people researching them or their families, or does anyone know of research regarding them? Using Papers Past as my main source I've been writing various articles regarding the history of the Sydenham Cricket Club in Christchurch and its predecessor clubs up to about 1920, and for now I'm looking for information about cricketers from the club who enlisted in World War One. There were 37 altogether. I have already found information at Papers Past, Archway (some digitised military records of soldiers), online cricket archives such as Cricinfo, Cenotaph, Christchurch cemeteries online database, the online BDM's, the 1995 centenary history of the S.C.C., via Google and so forth, but am hoping to hear from researchers of the soldiers who might be able to tell me some more personal stories about them worth putting in my article about the club and the war. I have yet to delve into more genealogical research about these people via the usual sources but I hesitate to do do in depth because that’s not my main focus which is the war and its effect on the Sydenham club and cricket in Christchurch generally, especially in relation to the Canterbury Cricket Association’s old district scheme which officially ran from 1905 to 1920 but was relaxed in 1915 due to so many members of clubs heading to war. As given in the annual report presented at the 1919 AGM of the Sydenham Cricket Club, and with full names given in brackets (my additions, hopefully correct ones), the members of the Sydenham Cricket Club who went to war were as follows: Killed in action: E. FRASER (Ernest Alfred FRASER - "Ernie") B. HICKENBOTHAM (Bruce Glover HICKENBOTTOM - spelling varies) D. NICOLSON (David NICOLSON) G. C. L. WILSON (George Charles Lee WILSON) B. HARRY (Benjamin HARRY) A. HAYES (Arnold Edward HAYES) Died of disease: A. J. (Jum) BLYTH (Andrew Jackson BLYTH) F. O'MALLEY (Patrick Francis O'MALLEY - "Frank") Wounded: Lft-Col R. W. ANDERSON ( Dr Richard Walker ANDERSON)) Ivan ALLARDYCE (Ivan Douglas ALLARDYCE) P. G. WILTSHIRE (Percy George WILTSHIRE) C. J. MATHER (Charles Joseph MATHER) H. DAVIES (Harry DAVIES - was he Edward Henry DAVIES ?) O. HAYES (Harold Onslow Coventry HAYES ?) R. MATTHEWS (Reuben Charles MATTHEWS) H. LINDSAY (?????????????) J. PATRICK (James Stewart PATRICK) G. PATRICK (Gordon Marlborough PATRICK) H. S. STEPHENS (Herbert Stanley STEPHENS E. SKELTON (Ernest SKELTON) A. SHARP (Allen Norton SHARP ?) E. S. WATT (??????????) V. WATT (Vernon Ashley WATTS) Others: J. H. BENNETT (Joseph Henry BENNETT) H. COMPTON (Herbert Melville CROMPTON) E. FITZSIMMINS (Ernest Roy FITZIMMONS) G. FAIRBURN (was he George FAIRBAIRN?) W. GUINEY (William Patterson GUINEY) W. HAYES (William Hugh James HAYES - "Chattel" HAYES) W. GRAHAM (??????????????) F. KING (Frank Reginald KING) D. MCBETH (Daniel Jason MCBEATH) M. O'MALLEY (Michael O'MALLEY) W. SKELTON (William SKELTON) W. TEAGUE (was he William Montague TEAGUE?) B. WHITE (????????????????) The September 1915 annual report adds the following player to our list of Sydenham members enlisted: O. HODGSON (????????????) - did he actually go to war in 1915? He may have been Otho John HODGSON but, as he was called up in the Otago infantry some months later in 1916 as part of the 19th Reinforcements, I am not sure. I think he is indexed in the Chch Cemeteries online database as Otto, not Otho (NZ death index says Otho). Otho is the only O. HODGSON in the NZ online birth indexes from 1870 to 1900. Peter

Hi Adele & All: Re C. Lumley, died 1918 Featherston, she is on the Burial Locator as Corale Lumley, nurse (indexed by Christine Clement). Date of Death from RG website is 25 November 191, aged 26y. She is mentioned in the Evening Post of 25 November 1918 under "Soldiers Deaths" in the influenza epidemic page 2 as: "Miss Corale Lumley, V.A.D. died there (Featherston Military Camp) from broncho-pneumonia on the 25th November 1918. Next-of-kin Mrs Baker, Napier." http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19181126.2.13&srpos=23&e=20-11-1918-30-12-1918--10--21----0Lumley-- Yours, John Wilson > Wonder if there is a Joe Blogg these days.. > .......... > I have never been able to find out anything on the C. Lumley. Nurse > buried at Featherston... was helping Sherayl Kendall on it... she did > the book on RNZNC. tried NZ and UK.. nothing comes up.. > Wont give up... keep digging... > > Adele Pentony-Graham >

Hi All: For access to military personnel files at Archives NZ, there is no single link. Most of the World War I and South African (Boer) War files are in series 18805, but the "permanent forces" or fulltime and some militia and territorial files are in series 7291. Also series 22525 with Red Cross workers, VAD etc as well as enquiries about New Zealanders in other forces eg Australian or British. But the series 22525 files are not full personnel files, with many of them just correspondence when someone has written to the minister or the Army asking about Joe Bloggs who is thought to be in the AIF (Australian Imperial Force) or a British unit or .. There are some files with service in WWII & WWI. With a less common surname do a simple search for the name and look for the military series section, but for a John Smith say you may need to do an advanced search and specify series 18805 and the name or surname (perhaps also series 7291 & 22525). http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/CallItemAdvancedSearch.do But most WWII files are held by the New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) at Trentham, along with several thousand for those in WWI or the South African War who stayed in the army (including the Territorials?) after WWI i.e. from 1 January 1921. So you will need to contact the NZDF Archives; who supply one free copy of a file per year. Supply details, though proof of death is not required for WWI veterans. http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/ http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/nzdf-archives/how-to-find-contact-us.htm Yours, John Wilson

Hello All I have added the BMD from the cards in the Christchurch Library of the surnames below. I do hope this helps some people Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/GEBBIE.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/WYNN-WILLIAMS.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/BREITMEYER.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html

Thanks to everyone who replied to my query about copying military files at Archives. I have managed to download some of them. Thanks Michael