Hi Diane, Having grown up in Christchurch I am aware that families did disown family members in Sunnyside. A sad situation but probably in line with attitudes back then. I am aware of two other cases where the burial place could not be located in the city records, so the only way you may find the answer is by buying the death record. regards, Calvin On 3/18/2014 11:01 AM, Diane McNair wrote: > My Gt Gt Grandfather, Charles Blackbee aged 67, died at Sunnyside Hospital 6 August 1873. Cause of death "Visitation from God" (according to the Hospital Comittee) > Where in Christchurch (or how far from Christchurch) was the hospital situated? > Cannot find his burial place. Did the Hospital have its own grave yard? > > Many thanks in advance for any help > > Diane > in a very dry Te Kuiti > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Diane Sunnyside Hospital was "in the countryside" back then.........Annex Road/Lincoln Road boundaries. Lincoln Road almost up to the junction of Halswell Road if you look on a map. Hillmorton Hospital has replaced Sunnyside Hospital which was demolished some years ago. Addington Cemetery would have been the nearest cemetery, or perhaps Sydenham or Bromley (they were the earlier cemeteries of Christchurch). I tend to agree with Paul on his findings of Blackber at Addington Cemetery. Hope this helps Sandra -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane McNair Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 9:01 a.m. To: NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Sunnyside Hospital My Gt Gt Grandfather, Charles Blackbee aged 67, died at Sunnyside Hospital 6 August 1873. Cause of death "Visitation from God" (according to the Hospital Comittee) Where in Christchurch (or how far from Christchurch) was the hospital situated? Cannot find his burial place. Did the Hospital have its own grave yard? Many thanks in advance for any help Diane in a very dry Te Kuiti The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Diane, Sunnyside Hospital closed in 1999. The original buildings were demolished. The site now houses Hillmorton Hospital and other hospital board services. It is about 3km from the centre of Chch. When Sunnyside was build I imagine it was quite rural but the city has grown out so now it is surrounded by suburbs. For it's history see http://christchurchcitylibraries.com/Heritage/Places/Public/Hospitals/Sunnyside/ Link to Google maps, Cathedral square top right, Hillmorton Hospital bottom left - http://tinyurl.com/needb3e As far as I know there was no cemetery at the hospital. I think that they would have used the public cemeteries. Looking in the Chch city council cemeteries database there is no matching entry for Charles Blackbee. search http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/ But, there is an entry for a Charles Blackber in 1873, buried at Addington Cemetery which would have been Sunnyside's nearest cemetery then. Possible typo Blackbee/Blackber? http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?id=80941 The dates don't quite match though, 1 week out. The burial is 31/7/1873. Could the date you have be the date of the issuing of the death certificate? Checking on Ancestry there are no hits at all for Charles Blackber in NZ suggesting it is a wrong name. The cemetery is on the map linked to above. Also, have you seen this information at NZ Archives? Title Years Seager, Lunatic Asylum to Superintendent - admission certificate Blackbee. (R22679433) 1872 - 1872 Item ID Agency Series Accession Record group Box / Item Sep Record no. Part Alternative no. Record type R22679433 CAAR 19936 CH287 CP 128 / ICPS 889/1872 Text It can only be read at the Chch branch of NZArchives so someone down here would have to go in and copy it for you. Regards, Paul >>> "Diane McNair" <diane1@farmside.co.nz> 18/03/2014 11:01 >>> My Gt Gt Grandfather, Charles Blackbee aged 67, died at Sunnyside Hospital 6 August 1873. Cause of death "Visitation from God" (according to the Hospital Comittee) Where in Christchurch (or how far from Christchurch) was the hospital situated? Cannot find his burial place. Did the Hospital have its own grave yard? Many thanks in advance for any help Diane in a very dry Te Kuiti The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs.
Hi All: Military personnel files of those who served in World War I but who remained in the Army after 1920 (from 1 January 1921) which were held at Trentham in the NZDF (New Zealand Defence Force) Personnel Archives are being transferred to Archives NZ. There are over 12,000 files, which should all be transferred by August 2014. See email from the NZDF Archives Registrar Christine Edney below. This will simplify searching for WWI files as they will all be held in one place. Note that while most of the WWI files are in Archives series 18805, some (officers, medical, medals) are in series 7291 (permanent forces) or series 22525 (other forces, nurses, V.A.Ds etc; though these are generally just corrrespondence, not full personnel files). Archives NZ were hoping to digitise by August 2014 (the centenary of WWI) all their "restricted" holdings of military personnel files on small strip microfilm which are "restricted (access) for preservation reasons" and this will increase the backlog of files to be digitised. If you have accessed digital files recently, you will have seen that newly digitised files are no longer available to download as a single PDF file, and each page must be downloaded separately. The PDF file for earlier scanned files is still available to download via the "Derivative Copy" option under "Preservation Master". Archives hold over 110,000 of these military personnel files. Some are paper files (officers, medals, medical) which can be seen at Archives NZ, Wellington. Yours, John Wilson I would like to ask you to please put on the list serve the following. NZDF Archives have been working alongside Archives New Zealand to transfer the WW1 files for those who served after 1920 and also those who continued to serve through to WW11. In the past six months NZDF Archives have transferred over 12,000 of these files to Archives New Zealand, who are working hard to scan as many as they can. The first port of call for any WW1/WW11 file is now Archives New Zealand who although not scanning straight away are putting the names up as soon as possible after a transfer is made. If a name is not on Archway then try again in a few weeks as these files are being transferred in small numbers and are not available while in transfer or being prepared for transfer We ask that people be patient while we work through this process. At this point I cannot give a date when we will be finished but we are looking towards August. If a name does not appear on Archway after this time then try NZDF Archives as there may still be the odd file caught up in the main filing system which we have not been able to identify. Regards Christine Edney Registrar NZDF Archives
My Gt Gt Grandfather, Charles Blackbee aged 67, died at Sunnyside Hospital 6 August 1873. Cause of death "Visitation from God" (according to the Hospital Comittee) Where in Christchurch (or how far from Christchurch) was the hospital situated? Cannot find his burial place. Did the Hospital have its own grave yard? Many thanks in advance for any help Diane in a very dry Te Kuiti
Rang Ngaire Ockwell - one of the local transcribers of cemetery records................. Charles was buried on 12th May 1884 Bob M On 17/03/2014 6:23 p.m., jagb@mcmedia.com.au wrote: > I have located the following record - > Source NZSG Burial Locator CD 2; Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche HENSBURGH Charles; Year of Death 1884; Record Number 1747; Record Type B/R; Age N/R; Location Southern Cemetery Anglican Burials Vol 2 Dunedin S08.35. > > However when I try and locate this death registration on the NZ DIA site there are no entries. I suspect the name has been incorrectly transcribed. > > I do not have access to the NZ Death Index on Fiche to check death entries for 1884 and no record is coming up on the Dunedin Cemeteries site so I am guessing there is no headstone for Charles. > > I have located some records for Charles in PapersPast but at this stage it is his death registration I would like to locate so as I can order the death certificate. > > Any clues please? > > Thanks > > Jenny > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
he is buried Dunedin, details to jenny cheers penne > > I do not have access to the NZ Death Index on Fiche to check death entries > for 1884 and no record is coming up on the Dunedin Cemeteries site so I am > guessing there is no headstone for Charles. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Thank you Bob, Penne and Ailsa for your prompt relevant responses. Amazing group on this list! Very grateful, Jenny
According to NZ BDM Sarah Grace was 67 years old when she died in 1924 so approximate birth year = 1857 Regards, Patsy On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse <olwynbw@gmail.com> wrote: > *From:* Brendon <arbbast@gmail.com> > *Subject:* [nz] William Arbuckle - Sarah Grace Whitely - Children > *Date:* Mon, 17 Mar 2014 16:12:27 +1300 > > Can someone do a look up for me please. Just wanting to confirm the > children of William Arbuckle and Sarah Grace Whitely. > William was born 21 Oct 1837 and died 8 November 1910 and Sarah died 6 > March 1924. Unsure of her birth year > > Thanks > > Brendon > >
I have located the following record - Source NZSG Burial Locator CD 2; Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche HENSBURGH Charles; Year of Death 1884; Record Number 1747; Record Type B/R; Age N/R; Location Southern Cemetery Anglican Burials Vol 2 Dunedin S08.35. However when I try and locate this death registration on the NZ DIA site there are no entries. I suspect the name has been incorrectly transcribed. I do not have access to the NZ Death Index on Fiche to check death entries for 1884 and no record is coming up on the Dunedin Cemeteries site so I am guessing there is no headstone for Charles. I have located some records for Charles in PapersPast but at this stage it is his death registration I would like to locate so as I can order the death certificate. Any clues please? Thanks Jenny
Hi Jenny Had a look at the fiche, he is registered under the spelling of HENSBURY. Folio No 853 June Qtr, Dunedin It is on the NZ DIA site as Hensbury for 1884. Reg No 1701 aged 65 in order for you to be able to order the certificate. Found him on the Dunedin City Council cemeteries search, under HENSBURGH - Southern Cemetery they had photos of the Headstones there. His name is not on the Headstones, but there is reference to 3 other people, all REED's. Hope this helps Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au www.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com > >On 17/03/2014 6:23 p.m., jagb@mcmedia.com.au wrote: >> I have located the following record - >> Source NZSG Burial Locator CD 2; Source NZSG Cemetery Fiche HENSBURGH >Charles; Year of Death 1884; Record Number 1747; Record Type B/R; Age >N/R; Location Southern Cemetery Anglican Burials Vol 2 Dunedin S08.35. >> >> However when I try and locate this death registration on the NZ DIA >site there are no entries. I suspect the name has been incorrectly >transcribed. >> >> I do not have access to the NZ Death Index on Fiche to check death >entries for 1884 and no record is coming up on the Dunedin Cemeteries >site so I am guessing there is no headstone for Charles. >> >> I have located some records for Charles in PapersPast but at this >stage it is his death registration I would like to locate so as I can >order the death certificate. >> >> Any clues please? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jenny
Can someone do a look up for me please. Just wanting to confirm the children of William Arbuckle and Sarah Grace Whitely. William was born 21 Oct 1837 and died 8 November 1910 and Sarah died 6 March 1924. Unsure of her birth year Thanks Brendon
Hi Olwyn, I will forward your query to Ian & Stella ARNST, I am sure they will give you the correct details. Cheers Kathy Bisman Little River ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com> To: "new-zealand" <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? > I can't find his AIF service record. > http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 > > New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in > France August 25 1918 > A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the > Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the > world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a > prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand > road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he > represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From > scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only > rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to > his > credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, > and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also > recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which > he > twice established the fastest time. > > Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? > > ARNST, JOHN (JACK) > Rank: Private > Service No: 51967 > Date of Death: 25/08/1918 > Age: 37 > Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. > 1st Bn. > GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY > Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes > Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion > Road > Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. > > Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 > here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the > ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the > district who had served their country at the front, was performed by > Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs > Rhodes. > Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over > the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: > Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. > Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, > and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had > come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the > district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the > roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they > had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. > He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that > perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in > time > to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many > respects, > but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make > the > sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men > had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that > they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would > do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had > acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. > They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still > of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them > in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of > honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the > children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make > a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand > and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned > men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, > and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable > circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was > the > very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. > The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. > Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, > T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. > Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. > Arnst*, > J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. > > > Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 > Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor > mechanic, > of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German > and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The > appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 > years > ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever > since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another > cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke > out. > Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He > could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of > German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers > was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth > Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said > the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground > for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the > appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his > sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military > authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
<http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/flybait> *ROESLER-L Archives* Archiver <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/> > ROESLER<http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ROESLER>> 2002-05 <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ROESLER/2002-05> > 1020761983 ------------------------------ *From:* < roesward@xtra.co.nz> *Subject:* [ROESLER] Roesler-New Zealand Link *Date:* Tue, 7 May 2002 20:59:43 +1200 Ernst Roesler born Silecia (Carpenter) Sons: Augusta Roesler (no other information to hand) and Adolphus Louis Wilholm Roesler (born 1845 Silecia) Adolphus married Rebecca Annetta Koch (born 1845 – father Augusta Koch - mariner) in a German Lutheran Church, Whitechapel, Middlesex, England on the 6th July 1873). They immigrated to New Zealand we think in 1874. Adolpus and Rebecca then went on to have 6 children. Caroline, Dick William, Frederick, Alfred, Tom and Ernest. As far as I am aware at this time only Ernest had children. Ernest Roesler married Mary Brink (born 14.2.1885 – father Adolphus Brink born 15.6.1827 and mother Harriet Anne Williams). They went on to have two sons. Frederick William (born 24.12.1902 died 24.9.76) and Ronald Bowling Roesler (born 20.10.1908). Ron never married. Frederick married Olive Eileen Marker (born 19.1.1909 died 31.5.1991). They went on to have 3 children. Lindsay, Dianna and Suzanne Lindsay Roesler (born 14.9.1935) married Shirely McCallum (born 30.10.1940) and had two children. Michael Roesler (born 17.5.1963) married Sue Kennedy and had Thomas Kennedy Roesler (born 1998) and Emma Kennedy Roesler (2000). And lastly Wendy Anne Roesler ME (born 25.8.1965) married Patrick Ward (born 1958) and had Jacinta Marie Ward and Ethan Frederick Ward. So there are now only five of our family members in New Zealand carrying the Roesler name. Any help, clues or ideas would be most welcome. Kind Regards to all Roesler. Wendy Anne Roesler. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au>wrote: > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > in the South Island to my knowledge > Thank you > Rhonda > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Oh sorry you've already got that I see... i'm in Perth in holiday mode but still on Auckland time....haven't woken up yet LOL! It doesn't appear he had anything to do with the AIF. Nice wee obituary for him on 'Trove' and states he enlisted 3 years previously in NZ long before him having to compulsory do so http://tinyurl.com/poxeur4 Cheers Sarndra -----Original Message----- From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM To: new-zealand Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? I can't find his AIF service record. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in France August 25 1918 A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he twice established the fastest time. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? ARNST, JOHN (JACK) Rank: Private Service No: 51967 Date of Death: 25/08/1918 Age: 37 Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 1st Bn. GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the district who had served their country at the front, was performed by Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
His correct name was John ARNST - John and Jack were interchangable as nicknames He's on Cenotaph. http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/439.detail?Ordinal=1&c_surname_search=arnst Cheers -----Original Message----- From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:06 PM To: new-zealand Subject: [nz] Jack Arnst- the cyclist. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? Is that a typo in the newspaper? Was he a member of the Australian Forces? I can't find his AIF service record. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19181003.2.42.16 New Zealand Herald, 3 October 1918, Page 6 DEATH OF "JACK" ARNST. KIA in France August 25 1918 A well-known New Zealand cyclist, "Jack" Arnst who was a member of the Australian Forces, has been killed in action. His brother, Dick, won the world's sculling championship, and Walter, another brother, was also a prominent athlete. Jack Arnst first came into prominence in New Zealand road events, notably, to the Timaru-Christchurch Road Race. In 1903, he represented New Zealand in the Warrnambool to Melbourne road race. From scratch, he covered the distance, 165 miles, in 7h 43m. He is the only rider to win the event from scratch. Amongst other fine performances to his credit were the Christchurch-Dunedin road record, 247 miles, in 12h 21m, and the Timaru- Christchurch record, 112 miles, in 4h 50m. Arnst also recorded two fine rides in the Goulbura-Sydney Race, 131 miles, in which he twice established the fastest time. Was he with the NZEF and the AIF? ARNST, JOHN (JACK) Rank: Private Service No: 51967 Date of Death: 25/08/1918 Age: 37 Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F. 1st Bn. GREVILLERS BRITISH CEMETERY Son of C. Arnst, of Tai Tapu, and the late H. Arnst; husband of Agnes Arnst, of 81, Hackthome Rd., Cashmere Hills, Christchurch. Ex-Champion Road Cyclist of New Zealand and Australia. Press, 8 November 1919, Page 4 here was a large gathering in the Ladbrooks Hall last night, when the ceremony of unveiling the Roll of Honour in memory of soldiers of the district who had served their country at the front, was performed by Colonel the Hon. R. Heaton Rhodes, M.P., who was accompanied by Mrs Rhodes. Mr H. Pickering, chairman of the local Patriotic Committee, presided over the gathering, and other members of J the committee who were present were: Messrs, A. Gabbatis, H. Watson, H. Arnst, P. Meyer, and A. Larcombe. Colonel Rhodes said he saw there were some twenty-four names on the roll, and when he looked about the district he almost wondered where the men had come from to go to the front. He thought it was much to the credit of the district that it had made such an excellent showing. Of the names on the roll he noticed that four were to be honoured above the others, for they had given their lives for their country, for the Empire, and for freedom. He hoped all these names would remain in the hall for all time, and that perhaps some even more lasting memorial would be erected to the men in time to come. The Germans had found the British nation unready in many respects, but not in one respect. The nation had the spirit to endure and to make the sacrifices necessary for victory. The fathers and mothers or the young men had sent them forth to fight, not willingly or but with a nigh faith that they would do their duty as Britishers always had done, and always would do. In many cases the fathers themselves had gone to fight, and had acquitted themselves gallantly. Such a spirit could never be conquered. They were proud of the men whose names were on the roll, and prouder still of the names of those who would never come back. They could not greet them in the flesh, but their memory would endure for all time. The roll of honour should be an inspiration to all who saw it, especially to the children who no doubt would often be in the hall. He was not there to make a political, speech, but he would say that all the people of New Zealand and the Government of the country had a duty to perform to tho returned men. There was a rush for land and for positions on the part of the men, and this legitimate desire to get back into civil life under favourable circumstances was one that they had a right to have fulfilled. That was the very least we could do for them after all they had done for the country. The names of the soldiers on the roll were as follows: -- T. Roesler, J. Trott, P. Pickering, P. McDrury, F. Coles, J. Coles, W. Tucker, E. Tucker, T. Gabbatis*, L. Gabbatis, J. Taylor, S. Burke, F. Payne, J. Payne, W. Small, T. Brown. T. Coleman, W. Payne*, H. Woodward*, L. Watson, J. Arnst*, J. Miller, A. Erickson and L. Erickson. Nelson Evening Mail 11 January 1917, Page 2 Before the Military Service Board today, Frederick Roesler, motor mechanic, of Ladbrooks, appealed on the grounds that he considered he was a German and that he was the only man at home to look after his parents. The appellant said his parents were German. His father was naturalised 20 years ago. He himself was born in New Zealand in 1878, and he had been here ever since. He had two cousins who were officers in the German Army and another cousin who was in the German Navy, and he with them till the war broke out. Asked with whom his sympaties lay, the appellant refused to answer, He could speak German, he said. His mother, he added, was born in England of German parents. His father was 74 and his mother 73. One of his brothers was on a farm, another had left for the front with the Eighteenth Reinforcements, and a third was working in the country. The chairman said the appellant was a British subject, and he had not established any ground for exemption. The appeal would be dismissed, but the fact that the appellant was of German parentage and had refused to state with whom his sympathies lay in the present struggle, would be noted, and the military authorities could do with the appellant as they pleased. The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Rhonda , Should nobody be researching these four surnames , it could still be worth asking for help via this Mailing List ... eg I can see reference to : ROESLER - Frederick William Henry Maria Anna Diana Marie MARKER- Olive Eileen Cheers , Ray On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Rhonda and Dave <popnana@tpg.com.au>wrote: > May I please ask if there is anyone doing the above names . They are all > in the South Island to my knowledge > Thank you > Rhonda > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that but finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the names, Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over the weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened up my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some of the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical Society about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes down, I will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, and schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church yard there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to give a headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! Adele Clareville Cemetery researcher
Hi Adele, Happy St Pat's Day to you as well and to all the Irish out there. Several years ago we corresponded in relation to the BOWLES/TAYLOR connection and it was interesting to see the reference arise once again. I have the TAYLOR/WACKROW connection in my tree as well, of course. Caroline was the daughter of my Great Great Grandfather, Frederick Benjamin TAYLOR,s sister Mary Ann TAYLOR and is listed as my cousin 3 times removed Whereas the Bowles moved from TAWA to the Waiarapa my lot moved up the coast to Foxton and from there north to the Waikato in later generations. On 17 March 2014 07:05, Adele Pentony-Graham <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz>wrote: > For years have wondered about this surname, where was it from, apparently > its from Sweden, Fritz Wackrow married a Carterton person. I knew that > but > finally hit the jackpot the other day finding someone researching the > names, > Wackrow with Bowles, I said that is a Carterton name, Caroline Bowles > married Fritz. my memory is not so bad after all then. taken two years > working on it to remember names, was determined to get better. now over > the > weekend, I emailed the enquirer, and a contact in Marton, put them both > together as they both share some of the names in the family. Then opened > up > my photograph file and founded TAWA old Cemetery.. to show her where some > of > the ancestors are buried, now waiting to hear from Tawa Historical Society > about the name.. My enquirer is up north, said when she next comes down, I > will take her around Carterton show her where the Bowles family lived, and > schooled then down to Tawa to see where the ancestors land was.. plus of > course show her the relevant graves at Clareville and the War Memorial. > Fritz is buried at Ohariu Valley, so will visit the church and church yard > there.. Its lovely to be able to share information. Even managed to give a > headstone photograph of Percival Bowles taken overseas, as he died WW1. > > > > > > Happy St Patricks day. boy he died 400 AD. and still celebrated! > > > > > > Adele > > Clareville Cemetery researcher > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello All I have just added info from the library for PENGELLY and PENGELLEY Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/PENGELLEY.PENGELLY.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html