The name on the shop behind the left two ladies might be a clue - especially if it is applied to other sources such as newspaper ads or business directories. cheers Graham Message: 10 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 17:36:32 -0700 From: Olwyn Whitehouse<olwynbw@gmail.com> Subject: [nz] Who knows Timaru? Where is this photo taken? To: new-zealand<NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CALhxcQYLE=C4id-zLR3cmgTo7EEO0ivs6uVcVMQVMgXhLDg6QQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/#photo Thanks. Olwyn

need to unsubscribe 4 a while as i have a broken shoulder in two places. can someone please give me the link to do that thanks annie On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 4:22 AM, Gordon Collingwood <gdcs@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi List > > Using FTM 2006 - Select earliest Ancestor then Reports / Outline > Descendant chart from main toolbar. > > From the side bar - Individuals to include: > > Select "direct descendants only." > > Change the "secondary individual" to you. > > Make sure "ïnclude siblings of direct descendants" is not ticked. > > Enjoy > > Gordon > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com> To: "new-zealand" <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:22 AM Subject: [nz] Buckley and the Seacliff Asylum a.. Buckley, Maurice William, 1895-1956 - Auckland Council www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/.../dbtwpub.dll?...%22Buckley,+Maurice+Willia... [1 of 4]. Record ID, 103457. Title, [New Zealand who's who: 1932.] Source, Who's who in New Zealand and the western pacific, 1932. Location, ARC 920.09 W61 ... 2.. Last name BUCKLEY First name MORICE WILLIAM Age 61 Years Occupation Retired Service provided Burial Burial date 06/11/1956 Cemetery Karori Section SOLDIERS Plot number 24 L/4 Record number 91354 Includes a photo of his plaque cheers penne --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I have updated the page. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/#photo It took teamwork to work it out and we did. Even got the occasion thanks to someone spotting the box of confetti. Thanks from Olwyn Kiwi in TX There is no I in team. I was looking at google maps and I see there are another two old halls in the vicinity. One has 43 IOOF MU 5308. I haven't worked it out yet.

Wendy and I (Admins of the New Zealand dual geographic DNA Project), have just sent out to our members an Autosomal matrix based on a) NZ Port of ancestors' arrival, and b) NZ Island of ancestors' arrival, and c) added in those who simply do not know where their ancestor first landed or settled in NZ. In time, this is going to turn out to be a valuable resource, whether for autosomal testing (that is, chromosomes through 1-22) or Y-DNA or mitochondrial DNA or for purely genealogical reasons. Simply because New Zealand is a real "melting pot" of persons from around the globe AND because so many did NOT move from their area of settlement once they arrived. We know that many on this list have tested their DNA whether via FTDNA or 23andMe, but we also know that many have not bothered joining this project. Then again, we also know that many are interested but simply do not quite know where to begin. Both Wendy and I have worked tirelessly to locate not only our own relatives but those from amongst our genealogical circles and so we do understand that personal contact can be very important. (Wendy is at the top of the mainland and I am a little south of Pukekohe and between us, we try hard to ensure people know what they want to achieve before embarking on such a new adventure). As a result of our findings in what we have put together in the last two or three weeks, given that NZ covers such a small geographical area, I am surprised at the numbers who not only arrived in a particular area, but married there and remained there. Although such a matrix is limited to only those who have tested Family Finder (or have transferred in from say, 23andMe), in time, I expect to extend it out to others. If you have tested your DNA already, to join us, merely go to http://www.familytreedna.com/public/New_Zealand/ Please read the "blurb" and if it interests you, click on <Join Request> in the blue toolbar. And select Option B (if you have NOT tested) and Option A if you have already tested. Kind regards Gail Riddell

Any ideas on how to do a single line descendants chart with MyHeritage? thanks Murray -----Original Message----- From: Diane McNair Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 9:35 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Single Line Descendants Chart Many thanks Gordon. I do appreciate the help given. Am wondering just how many others wanted this information. Again thank you. Cheers, Diane The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi, If you have an NZ "Timpson" in your family then more than likely we are connected. I have extensive research data on the family from 40+ years of research and so if you have a connection please contact me and I should be able to help you. Stan

I think that's Sittingbourne, Wendy, in case you have a problem finding it! cheers, Mary -------------------------------------------------- From: "Wendy Inskeep" <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:17 PM To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Subject: [nz] SAYWELL > Thanks again for all the help I have received . Ray Rob has put me onto a > large family tree for SAYWELL which I am sure covers most of them in NZ. I > will now try to link the first George SAYWELL to come to NZ when he was 35 > from Sittbourne, Kent with my Joseph SAYWELL the blacksmith. > Will see what happens! > Wendy > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where is Maurice Buckley buried? Evening Post, 14 January 1944, Page 4PACIFIC COMMAND AIR COMMODORE BUCKLEY Auckland, This Day A Royal New Zealand Air Force officer who is well known in Auckland, Air Commodore M. W. Buckley, M.B.E., is now Air Officer Commanding the R.N.Z.A.F. in the South Pacific. Air Commodore Buckley's last appointment was the command of the Northern Group, R.N.Z.A.F., with headquarters at Auckland. Air Commodore Buckley was born at Seacliff, Otago, in 1895, and educated at the Timaru Boys' High School. He served in the last war, in the Royal Naval Air Service and later with the Royal Air Force. After his return to New Zealand he was for some time engaged in commercial aviation, but in 1926 he was appointed an instructor to the then New Zealand Permanent Air Force. Since then he has held a number of appointments and in the earlier stages of the present war he commanded the No. 75 (New Zealand) Bomber Squadron and later had command of a station from which two squadrons operated, one of them being the New Zealand squadron. Otago Daily Times , Issue 12926, 19 March 1904, Page 8 ROSEWELL SETTLEMENT. THE LAND BALLOT. TIMARU, March 18. The ballot for sections in Rosewall settlement took place to-day in the Theatre Royal, which was filled with would be settlers and very keen interest was manifested in tho proceedings, The successful applicants, with the number of the sections, were:-- Section 5, Robert Tait, Fairlie; 6, James Turtle, Ngapara; 7, Edward Blanke, West Oxford; 8, William Gordon, Adair; 9, T. V. Barker, Le Bons Bay; 10, R. Price, Fairlie; 11. W. J. Hutt, Waimate [anyone tracing this family, email me] 12, T. P. Drake. High Peak Station; 15, F. Heron, Temuka 16, D. Wilson, Timaru 17 W. K. M'Kay, Timaru 22. J. M'Rae, Fairlie 17, F. H. Buckley, Seacliff; ...142 1896 Frederick Henry BUCKLEY was the head gardener at the Seacliff Asylum Kate Eleanor Wilkinson and Frederick Henry BUCKLEY married in 1893 1893 Buckley Frederick Waldorf (WW1) 1895 Buckley Maurice William (WW1) 1897 Buckley Victor Lancaster (WW1) 1902 Buckley John Renata 1906 Buckley Nance Eileen died in Fairlie in 1925 1908 Buckley Max Tucker 1911 Buckley Henry Benjamin Otago Witness 14 September 1904, Page 16 LUNATIC ASYLUMS. THE ANNUAL REPORT. Wellington, September 8. SEACLIFF ASYLUM The Inspector-general, reporting on the Seacliff Asylum on November 27, 1903, writes: "I have seen all the patients, finding only five males and two females confined to bed. All were being carefully looked after. I saw two dinners distributed and eaten. The food was abundant and well cooked, notwithstanding the imminence difficulties caused by inadequate and worn out cooking apparatus. The ranges have been 20 years in use, and are fairly worn out. It has become a matter of great urgency that new ranges, etc., should be I placed in the kitchen. The cook, Miss M'Murdo deserves the thanks of the whole institution for the way in which she has overcome very great difficulties. The old bakehouse is in process enlargement. As a matter of real urgency the buildings, designed by Dr King for relieving the overcrowding (amounting to 73 over the statutory number) are under consideration by the Minister, as well as the provision for a male convalescent cottage and a male attendants' messroom, all of which are imperatively necessary. The portion of the female wing which was thought no longer safe has aggravated the difficulties in that side of the building, and I am glad, after examination of the work under the charge of Mr Marchant, and carried out by Mr Bailey, that the plan adopted promises success, and the space will soon be ready for occupation. The laundry machinery is entirely worn out and beyond repair. It has been found necessary to send some of the washing to town, and I need not say what an unsatisfactory state of things this fact reveals. Owing to Mr Justice Chapman's elevation to the Supreme Court bench I feel bound to call attention to the invaluable services he has for so many years rendered to Seacliff. In and out of season, his advice and extensive knowledge have been available as deputy inspector. He has indeed deserved well at the hands of the Government. The experiment of a fishing boat, whose headquarters are fixed at Puketiraki, is promising to turn great success. Last month 89601b of first-class fish was taken, of which, after reserving an abundant supply for two days' dinner in a week to the great saving in meat, the surplus was distributed among the following: Christchurch Asylum, 16751b: Burnham Asylum, 1201b; Christchurch Hospital, 801b; Caversham Industrial School 150lb; Dunedin Hospital 100lb; Ashburn Hall 1001b (paid for); Orokonui Home, 60lb Benevolent Institution, Dunedin. 2001b; Salvation Army Refuge, 101b; Old Mens Home, Ashburton. 1001b; Samaritan Home, Christchurch, 1001b.'s. DR TRUBT KING'S REPORT. "It will be noted that the number of admissions during the year-- viz. 135-- shows an increase of nine over the previous year, but there is no special significance in this. It is unfortunate that a widespread opinion prevails among the public that insanity is increasing in the colony in spite of repeated assurances that such is not the case. This mistake arises from a confusion as to the meaning and significance of a mere accumulation of chronic patients, due to longevity, as compared with the graver question of cases arising de novo during the year. It was to be hoped that Professor Seager's remarks in his paper; published in the Transactions of the New Zealand, Institute for 1901, and copied into some of the newspapers of the colony would have finally cleared up the misconception, but this has not been the case. Professor Seager said after showing that our statistics proved an undoubted falling off __iniability to insanity in the colony, but the concern about the increase of insanity which inspires so many articles is founded on the figures as roughly put in statistical works, and I have shown that these figures, properly interpreted, afford no justification whatever for the inference usually deducted from them, but rather indicate a strong tendency in the direction of growing sanity, if the reasons usually assigned to explain the commonly supposed increase in the tendency to insanity have really any force. If many are classed as insane that would not have been so classed some years ago, and if many are now placed in institutions for the care of the insane that some time since would not have been so provided for, then there must indeed have been in recent years a very real and very marked diminution of the liability of the New Zealander to insanity, in spite of modern competition and the disadvantages of city life. In fact, explanations are now wanted to account, for statistics indicating a falling off and not a growth in the tendency of the race to insanity.' Structural changes on the female side, rendered necessary by the slipping of the ground, have greatly .handicapped us. To minimise the evil effects of the temporarily increased overcrowding some 30 women 'had to sleep in the recreation hall for a considerable period. Added to this there was a prolonged epidemic of scarlet fever during the winter among both patients and staff. So many of the nurses were attacked that it necessitated the employment of two additional nurses for a whole year to overtake the work and provide for the usual holidays. Lately we have installed a nurse in the male division of the asylum to take care of the sick patients. The change is greatly appreciated, and is working well. Dr King reports favourably on the establishment of the fishing station. The farm and garden also come in for commendation. The value of the eggs and poultry alone delivered for the year amounted to £650. There are several notable changes to record in connection with the male staff. Mr: John Pullar, our last remaining pioneer of the days, when the site for the asylum had to be cut out of the standing bush, retired on account, of failing eyesight, with in allowance. It is impossible to speak of Mr Pullar's 21 years of capable, energetic, and faithful work without admiration, and such a life is the best answer to the common assumption that prolonged Government service, necessarily stops energy and enthusiasm. The same reflection applies to Mr T. H. Buckley, who is retiring from the management of the farm in order to take up a valuable holding on the Levels Estate. Apart from the energetic carrying out of his assigned work, Mr Buckley has throughout 15 busy years taken the most prominent part in all the social amenities of the Institution. Mr Andrew Sutherland, who has been in the service for 11 years replaces Mr Buckley in the farm management.

Thanks Gordon. My FTM is 1995 and your instuctions worked. Very timely as my 5 year old grand daughter has project to do. Printed out the chart of 10 generations (354 years) linking her to Thomas Reid of Maybole, complete with photo of his gravestone. Murray Reid NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Collingwood" <gdcs@xtra.co.nz> To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [nz] Single Line Descendant Chart Hi List Using FTM 2006 - Select earliest Ancestor then Reports / Outline Descendant chart from main toolbar. From the side bar - Individuals to include: Select "direct descendants only." Change the "secondary individual" to you. Make sure "ïnclude siblings of direct descendants" is not ticked. Enjoy Gordon The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Gordon. I do appreciate the help given. Am wondering just how many others wanted this information. Again thank you. Cheers, Diane

Hi List Using FTM 2006 - Select earliest Ancestor then Reports / Outline Descendant chart from main toolbar. From the side bar - Individuals to include: Select "direct descendants only." Change the "secondary individual" to you. Make sure "ïnclude siblings of direct descendants" is not ticked. Enjoy Gordon

Not tried Murray's  instructions yet - I have the 2012 version, anyone out there got the same and will it work? Anyone ringing relatives in the UK, please note BST (GMT + 1 hour) commences this Sunday Kind Regards Frank Somerset/UK

http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/postcards-writing/transport/auction-709796186.htm Can't find this mechanic anywhere, there must be a spelling mistake. Pilot M W Buckley, age 25, (1895 - 1956) (centre) and mechanic Bill Hanington (left) Pilot M W Buckley and mechanic Bill Hamington, alongside an Avro 504 K biplane 1920 Who is the dapper mechanic? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/aero.htm#Buckley *Evening Post*, 21 October 1921, Page 4 TRICK FLYING Timaru, 20th October. In the Magistrate's Court to-day, Philip Kenning Fowler, an aviator employed by the New Zealand Aero Transport Company, was charged with trick flying, namely, nose-diving over the town of Timaru, and flying at an altitude over the town so low that it was dangerous to the public. Another aviator in the same plane was also similarly charged, but he is ill, and Senior-Sergeant Fahey applied for a remand of both cases for a fortnight, which was granted. This is the first case in New Zealand under the Aviation Act.

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/#photo Thanks. Olwyn

Hi Alan I know this subject was discussed on this list a few months ago, but we were at the Lyttelton Anglican Cemetery last month, and needed to clean two headstones before we could read and photograph them. And they were not that old, the deaths having occurred in 1948 and 1953! We wished we had a brush (bigger than a toothbrush, rag and water bottle with us, but there is divided opinion about how one should approach the task, so as not to damage the surface. We found leaves and a tiny twig and gently did the best we could, and waited a while for the sun to dry the surface - not an easy task - but we had come so far, and did not wish to leave without photos. Luckily our family headstones were still standing - many are not in this picturesque cemetery high on the hill overlooking Lyttelton and the harbour. The Lyttelton Catholic Cemetery is still closed to the public due to earthquake damage. I suggest be prepared, and good luck Carole Auckland -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan De La Mare Sent: Friday, 28 March 2014 1:54 p.m. To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] Barbadoes St. Cemetery Chapel (Adele Pentony-Graham) Where can one locate the article, Adele? I have family buried there and would love to read it!. Also, any hints on photographing headstones anyone? I haven't yet made a start on this, but will be in Christchurch next month and am keen to start doing so. Should a toothbrush be part of the kit? Many will be old Stones. Thanks Alan De La Mare. Wellington -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:48 AM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 71 Today's Topics: 1. Barbadoes St. Cemetery Chapel (Adele Pentony-Graham) 2. SAYWELL (Wendy Inskeep) 3. an Irish born woman who went to Tasmania via New Zealand (Patricia Byers) 4. Re: SAYWELL (Ray Rob) 5. wills made 1943 (Colleen) 6. RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (Les & Sue Tuner) 7. Re: RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (Alisterg) 8. Lookup at Christchurch Archives please (skut) 9. Single line Descendants Chart (Diane McNair) 10. District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes (skut) 11. New Zealand Genealogist Magazines (skut) 12. Re: wills made 1943 (John Wilson) 13. Re: RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (& Seacliff) (John Wilson) 14. Re: wills made 1943 (Christine Tregonning) 15. Re: Single line Descendants Chart (marina) 16. Re: New Zealand Genealogist Magazines (skut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:26:33 +1300 From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Barbadoes St. Cemetery Chapel To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E969C6967C9047E28543A4A0B8821AB8@adminTHINK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have located a lovely article on the above, out of NZ Freelance Nov.1st 1950. Historic little building must be demolished. it stood peacefully in the centre of grassy lawns and shady English trees, The Avon river, remaining headstones Barbadoes St Cemetery, the oldest in Canterbury. Built in 1863 the simple wooden building has good lines and the interior was unexpectedly striking. Stained glass windows dated 1864, wonder what happened to them, when this lovely chapel was demolished? Adds made in England. The Centre window is dedicated to the memory of Bishop Henry Harper, the first Anglican bishop of the infant colony, who consecrated the 22 acres of ground set aside for the first cemetery, I know that Henry Tancred is buried in this cemetery, brother to Sir Thomas Tancred, latter buried at Old Napier Cemetery. Its quite a long article but so interesting to read.. perhaps Beverley would welcome this for her collection? It has a photograph of the said chapel. Adele Clareville Taphophile ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:33:22 +1300 From: "Wendy Inskeep" <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com> Subject: [nz] SAYWELL To: "New Zealand" <New-Zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY173-DS400CFCBA92A96B8AD1423C1640@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you to all of you who replied with ideas and information. I did appreciate the time and effort you went to. Unfortunately it was the SAYWELL side I needed as I have all the TOSLAND side of the family. It was a SAYWELL in Taranaki who said he was related to the TOSLANDS so needed to find who the NZ Saywells were descended from. It therefore looks as if this will remain a story. Thanks anyway Wendy Is there anyone researching the name SAYWELL? It is believed that a SAYWELL family in NZ somewhere - possibly Taranaki, is related to Joseph Saywell TOSLAND ( 1848- 1927 )whose mother was Eliza SAYWELL the daughter of Joseph SAYWELL a blacksmith in Middlesex/ London area. Joseph Saywell TOSLAND lived and farmed in Taranaki. I would like to prove this family story one way or another if I can, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Wendy ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:55:05 +1100 From: Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> Subject: [nz] an Irish born woman who went to Tasmania via New Zealand To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <71C2B036-F779-44DD-A293-DB00D34C1578@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Recently a friend told be about a nun buried in Tunnack in central Tasmania. Her name was Sister Vincent Bowler. She was born Margaret Bowler in Co. Kerry in Ireland in November 1861. Her parents were Patrick Bowler, a farmer, and Deborah Brosnohan. At some stage she migrated with her parents to New Zealand. For some reason she moved to Tasmania and entered the Sisters of St Joseph at Westbury on 25 May, 1888; she was 27. I found a quite graphic description of her religious profession in The New Zealand Tablet (18 July 1890, page 3). She was the first Josephite nun to be professed in Tasmania and taught in a small school in the small isolated Midlands town. She received high commendation from the school inspector when he visited. She died on 9 December 1919; she was buried at Tunnack in St Brigid's Cemetery. Can our Rootsweb sleuths discover more about her before she left for Australia or other members of her family? Thanks Paddy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:03:01 +1300 From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [nz] SAYWELL To: Wendy Inskeep <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com> Cc: New Zealand <New-Zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAEWioPnGy4EgOWCvSSTOL5C1bQkoPpBRUN9oNOabnkPfBj5DHQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.familytreecircles.com/the-saywells-on-my-tree-includes-new-zealan d-settlers-25218.html On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Wendy Inskeep <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com>wrote: > Thank you to all of you who replied with ideas and information. I did > appreciate the time and effort you went to. Unfortunately it was the > SAYWELL side I needed as I have all the TOSLAND side of the family. > It was a SAYWELL in Taranaki who said he was related to the TOSLANDS so > needed to find who the NZ Saywells were descended from. It therefore looks > as if this will remain a story. > Thanks anyway > Wendy > > Is there anyone researching the name SAYWELL? > It is believed that a SAYWELL family in NZ somewhere - possibly Taranaki, > is related to Joseph Saywell TOSLAND ( 1848- 1927 )whose mother was Eliza > SAYWELL the daughter of Joseph SAYWELL a blacksmith in Middlesex/ London > area. Joseph Saywell TOSLAND lived and farmed in Taranaki. > I would like to prove this family story one way or another if I can, so > any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Wendy > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:10:11 +1000 From: "Colleen" <ginger15@bigpond.com> Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <74DE0E5A971446E2B04A3E1669D2909C@SMITH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to access a will made in 1943 thanks Colleen ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:36:58 +1300 From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E531503508A54B4A89B5D459FEF38A59@LesTurnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Could anyone advice me my grandma died in a Christchurch Hospital in 1910 very suddenly only 26 leaving three little girls. I have her death cert but hospitals name cut off where she died. I have just read her mums record who died in Seacliff Mental hospital in 1907 very sad but never had a photo of her even my late mum wandered what she looked like and to my surprise there was a photo of her with her records. I dont live in Christchurch but just wandered if the Christchurch main hospital would still hold records that far back . If by law that record would be over the 100yrs and could be read without any other member of family i would have to ask. Advice please. Thank you. Sue ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:45:38 +1300 From: "Alisterg" <alisterg@slingshot.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz>, <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2679B548180E4F6D930B96EEF2983552@m217> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, Seacliff Mental Hospital was located north of Dunedin, and therefore the records would likely be held by the DHB in Dunedin Regards Alister Gould Invercargill ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:46:32 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Lookup at Christchurch Archives please To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D6E683C34D5447F498A65B582FC9569B@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I was wondering if some kind person who is going to Christchurch Archives if they could look at something for me. I can be contacted off list. Thanks Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:51:02 +1300 From: "Diane McNair" <diane1@farmside.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Single line Descendants Chart To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <14AA8D86BD4A45729F9F86461FCD4270@users> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Gillian Many thanks for the web address. Very much appreciated by all the help. Cheers, Diane ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:58:35 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <49CF2565F0484F8DA09F6A27F1EB85E7@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I have the District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes Books, all are in excellent condition for sale. They would have to be picked up in Christchurch because of my health and I can be contacted off list and we could negotiate a price and if they are not sold I will put them on Trademe. BIRTHS: 1848-1900 1901-1920 1921-1940 1941-1955 DEATHS: 1848-1900 1901-1920 1921-1940 1941-1955 Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:01:14 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <99EB6286CDA14EFD8DB9A57288146BEC@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All I have New Zealand Genealogist Magazines to give away they are from approx 1991 ? 2012 and they must be picked up in Christchurch. I can be contacted off list, thanks. Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:22:02 +1300 From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 To: "Colleen" <ginger15@bigpond.com>, <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9836F092591C47A2840F00B6F43D9B4B@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Colleen: Where a will was held depend on where it was probated, and that would be done after death not when the will was made. New Zealand probates are held in the branches of Archives (Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin) which all hold court records, although up to c1950 Public Trust wills were probated through the Wellington court. See Research Guide No 2, Personal Identity p8-11: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides And while each will (or intestate estates) has its own file, not all of the names of the person involved are indexed in Archway; so for some courts/periods you will need to check a paper index book etc for whatever is the appropriate court. This might apply to both early and some post-1980-81 wills/probates (and also to other subjects like divorces). Some of the wills etc are going online (via the LDS?) these will only be a minority, and most files have to be seen at the branch of Archives NZ holding it. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 > Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to access a > will made in 1943 thanks Colleen > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:59:43 +1300 From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (& Seacliff) To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz>, <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AEBA5DA9058E444BA8C6E9583659E2AF@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Sue: Re your ggmother, many Seacliff records are held at Archives NZ, Dunedin, although permission has to be obtained from the District Health Board. See address in Archives Research Guide No 6, Mental Health p7-8: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides/mental-health I don't know about Public Hospitals for your gmothers death in 1910. But some deaths in Public and particularly Mental Hospitals may result in an inquest. Deaths at Porirua and Avondale Mental Hospitals (and others?) resulted in regular batches of inquests every month or less in the early 20th century, even if the death was expected eg "senile decay", hence can be found in the index books for inquests at Archives NZ, Wellington. Records of all inquests are held there; some names can be found indexed in Archway, though I would not like to say how many years are indexed. I do not know of a hospital graveyard at Porirua Hospital, and think that burials would be in a public or perhaps church graveyard. But burial records (BR in the NZSG index) may be missing for burials a hundred years ago, and only a stone gravestone would survive until the 1980s when various NZSG branches did transcriptions of them (MI or Monumental Inscriptions in the NZSG indexes). Hence finding records of any burials a hundred years or more is less likely, though certainly possible for some. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL > Hi, > Could anyone advice me my grandma died in a Christchurch Hospital in 1910 > very suddenly only 26 leaving three little girls. I have her death cert > but hospitals name cut off where she died. I have just read her mums > record who died in Seacliff Mental hospital in 1907 very sad but never > had a photo of her even my late mum wandered what she looked like and to > my surprise there was a photo of her with her records. I dont live in > Christchurch but just wandered if the Christchurch main hospital would > still hold records that far back . If by law that record would be over > the 100yrs and could be read without any other member of family i would > have to ask. Advice please. > Thank you, Sue > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:51:55 +1300 From: "Christine Tregonning" <CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 To: "'John Wilson'" <hugo@actrix.co.nz>, "'Colleen'" <ginger15@bigpond.com>, <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANs8JFwb6N1JlfKktg9G+J/CgAAAEAAAAKKuAzw5Z51DvNes0hvO QUUBAAAAAA==@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Colleen, Even if the person died in Brisbane if they held property in New Zealand there may be a copy of the will or documents relating to probate here in New Zealand so I would check Archway first to see if there is any reference. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 4:22 p.m. To: Colleen; new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 Hi Colleen: Where a will was held depend on where it was probated, and that would be done after death not when the will was made. New Zealand probates are held in the branches of Archives (Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin) which all hold court records, although up to c1950 Public Trust wills were probated through the Wellington court. See Research Guide No 2, Personal Identity p8-11: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides And while each will (or intestate estates) has its own file, not all of the names of the person involved are indexed in Archway; so for some courts/periods you will need to check a paper index book etc for whatever is the appropriate court. This might apply to both early and some post-1980-81 wills/probates (and also to other subjects like divorces). Some of the wills etc are going online (via the LDS?) these will only be a minority, and most files have to be seen at the branch of Archives NZ holding it. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 > Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to > access a will made in 1943 thanks Colleen > The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 22:18:22 +1300 From: "marina" <moresby76@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] Single line Descendants Chart To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1DF5881D77DD4919A29A673097B632F0@BorlandPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Gillian, My thanks for the website. Time for a brief browse only, but it looked most useful. Regards, Marina ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:48:51 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DA56256A99DA472CAD9842405CAB3EB6@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original The magazines have found a new home Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: skut Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:01 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines Hi All I have New Zealand Genealogist Magazines to give away they are from approx 1991 ? 2012 and they must be picked up in Christchurch. I can be contacted off list, thanks. Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. 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Thanks again for all the help I have received . Ray Rob has put me onto a large family tree for SAYWELL which I am sure covers most of them in NZ. I will now try to link the first George SAYWELL to come to NZ when he was 35 from Sittbourne, Kent with my Joseph SAYWELL the blacksmith. Will see what happens! Wendy

Where can one locate the article, Adele? I have family buried there and would love to read it!. Also, any hints on photographing headstones anyone? I haven't yet made a start on this, but will be in Christchurch next month and am keen to start doing so. Should a toothbrush be part of the kit? Many will be old Stones. Thanks Alan De La Mare. Wellington -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:48 AM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 9, Issue 71 Today's Topics: 1. Barbadoes St. Cemetery Chapel (Adele Pentony-Graham) 2. SAYWELL (Wendy Inskeep) 3. an Irish born woman who went to Tasmania via New Zealand (Patricia Byers) 4. Re: SAYWELL (Ray Rob) 5. wills made 1943 (Colleen) 6. RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (Les & Sue Tuner) 7. Re: RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (Alisterg) 8. Lookup at Christchurch Archives please (skut) 9. Single line Descendants Chart (Diane McNair) 10. District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes (skut) 11. New Zealand Genealogist Magazines (skut) 12. Re: wills made 1943 (John Wilson) 13. Re: RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (& Seacliff) (John Wilson) 14. Re: wills made 1943 (Christine Tregonning) 15. Re: Single line Descendants Chart (marina) 16. Re: New Zealand Genealogist Magazines (skut) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:26:33 +1300 From: "Adele Pentony-Graham" <pentonygraham@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Barbadoes St. Cemetery Chapel To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E969C6967C9047E28543A4A0B8821AB8@adminTHINK> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Have located a lovely article on the above, out of NZ Freelance Nov.1st 1950. Historic little building must be demolished. it stood peacefully in the centre of grassy lawns and shady English trees, The Avon river, remaining headstones Barbadoes St Cemetery, the oldest in Canterbury. Built in 1863 the simple wooden building has good lines and the interior was unexpectedly striking. Stained glass windows dated 1864, wonder what happened to them, when this lovely chapel was demolished? Adds made in England. The Centre window is dedicated to the memory of Bishop Henry Harper, the first Anglican bishop of the infant colony, who consecrated the 22 acres of ground set aside for the first cemetery, I know that Henry Tancred is buried in this cemetery, brother to Sir Thomas Tancred, latter buried at Old Napier Cemetery. Its quite a long article but so interesting to read.. perhaps Beverley would welcome this for her collection? It has a photograph of the said chapel. Adele Clareville Taphophile ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 09:33:22 +1300 From: "Wendy Inskeep" <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com> Subject: [nz] SAYWELL To: "New Zealand" <New-Zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY173-DS400CFCBA92A96B8AD1423C1640@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you to all of you who replied with ideas and information. I did appreciate the time and effort you went to. Unfortunately it was the SAYWELL side I needed as I have all the TOSLAND side of the family. It was a SAYWELL in Taranaki who said he was related to the TOSLANDS so needed to find who the NZ Saywells were descended from. It therefore looks as if this will remain a story. Thanks anyway Wendy Is there anyone researching the name SAYWELL? It is believed that a SAYWELL family in NZ somewhere - possibly Taranaki, is related to Joseph Saywell TOSLAND ( 1848- 1927 )whose mother was Eliza SAYWELL the daughter of Joseph SAYWELL a blacksmith in Middlesex/ London area. Joseph Saywell TOSLAND lived and farmed in Taranaki. I would like to prove this family story one way or another if I can, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Wendy ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 07:55:05 +1100 From: Patricia Byers <petpad.byers@gmail.com> Subject: [nz] an Irish born woman who went to Tasmania via New Zealand To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <71C2B036-F779-44DD-A293-DB00D34C1578@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Recently a friend told be about a nun buried in Tunnack in central Tasmania. Her name was Sister Vincent Bowler. She was born Margaret Bowler in Co. Kerry in Ireland in November 1861. Her parents were Patrick Bowler, a farmer, and Deborah Brosnohan. At some stage she migrated with her parents to New Zealand. For some reason she moved to Tasmania and entered the Sisters of St Joseph at Westbury on 25 May, 1888; she was 27. I found a quite graphic description of her religious profession in The New Zealand Tablet (18 July 1890, page 3). She was the first Josephite nun to be professed in Tasmania and taught in a small school in the small isolated Midlands town. She received high commendation from the school inspector when he visited. She died on 9 December 1919; she was buried at Tunnack in St Brigid's Cemetery. Can our Rootsweb sleuths discover more about her before she left for Australia or other members of her family? Thanks Paddy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:03:01 +1300 From: Ray Rob <rayrobt@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [nz] SAYWELL To: Wendy Inskeep <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com> Cc: New Zealand <New-Zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAEWioPnGy4EgOWCvSSTOL5C1bQkoPpBRUN9oNOabnkPfBj5DHQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 http://www.familytreecircles.com/the-saywells-on-my-tree-includes-new-zealand-settlers-25218.html On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM, Wendy Inskeep <wendyinskeep@hotmail.com>wrote: > Thank you to all of you who replied with ideas and information. I did > appreciate the time and effort you went to. Unfortunately it was the > SAYWELL side I needed as I have all the TOSLAND side of the family. > It was a SAYWELL in Taranaki who said he was related to the TOSLANDS so > needed to find who the NZ Saywells were descended from. It therefore looks > as if this will remain a story. > Thanks anyway > Wendy > > Is there anyone researching the name SAYWELL? > It is believed that a SAYWELL family in NZ somewhere - possibly Taranaki, > is related to Joseph Saywell TOSLAND ( 1848- 1927 )whose mother was Eliza > SAYWELL the daughter of Joseph SAYWELL a blacksmith in Middlesex/ London > area. Joseph Saywell TOSLAND lived and farmed in Taranaki. > I would like to prove this family story one way or another if I can, so > any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > > Wendy > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 10:10:11 +1000 From: "Colleen" <ginger15@bigpond.com> Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <74DE0E5A971446E2B04A3E1669D2909C@SMITH> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to access a will made in 1943 thanks Colleen ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:36:58 +1300 From: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <E531503508A54B4A89B5D459FEF38A59@LesTurnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, Could anyone advice me my grandma died in a Christchurch Hospital in 1910 very suddenly only 26 leaving three little girls. I have her death cert but hospitals name cut off where she died. I have just read her mums record who died in Seacliff Mental hospital in 1907 very sad but never had a photo of her even my late mum wandered what she looked like and to my surprise there was a photo of her with her records. I dont live in Christchurch but just wandered if the Christchurch main hospital would still hold records that far back . If by law that record would be over the 100yrs and could be read without any other member of family i would have to ask. Advice please. Thank you. Sue ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:45:38 +1300 From: "Alisterg" <alisterg@slingshot.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz>, <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <2679B548180E4F6D930B96EEF2983552@m217> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello, Seacliff Mental Hospital was located north of Dunedin, and therefore the records would likely be held by the DHB in Dunedin Regards Alister Gould Invercargill ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:46:32 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Lookup at Christchurch Archives please To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D6E683C34D5447F498A65B582FC9569B@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I was wondering if some kind person who is going to Christchurch Archives if they could look at something for me. I can be contacted off list. Thanks Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:51:02 +1300 From: "Diane McNair" <diane1@farmside.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Single line Descendants Chart To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <14AA8D86BD4A45729F9F86461FCD4270@users> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Gillian Many thanks for the web address. Very much appreciated by all the help. Cheers, Diane ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 15:58:35 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <49CF2565F0484F8DA09F6A27F1EB85E7@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I have the District Keys to the NZ Registration Indexes Books, all are in excellent condition for sale. They would have to be picked up in Christchurch because of my health and I can be contacted off list and we could negotiate a price and if they are not sold I will put them on Trademe. BIRTHS: 1848-1900 1901-1920 1921-1940 1941-1955 DEATHS: 1848-1900 1901-1920 1921-1940 1941-1955 Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:01:14 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <99EB6286CDA14EFD8DB9A57288146BEC@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All I have New Zealand Genealogist Magazines to give away they are from approx 1991 ? 2012 and they must be picked up in Christchurch. I can be contacted off list, thanks. Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3722/7252 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:22:02 +1300 From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 To: "Colleen" <ginger15@bigpond.com>, <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <9836F092591C47A2840F00B6F43D9B4B@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Colleen: Where a will was held depend on where it was probated, and that would be done after death not when the will was made. New Zealand probates are held in the branches of Archives (Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin) which all hold court records, although up to c1950 Public Trust wills were probated through the Wellington court. See Research Guide No 2, Personal Identity p8-11: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides And while each will (or intestate estates) has its own file, not all of the names of the person involved are indexed in Archway; so for some courts/periods you will need to check a paper index book etc for whatever is the appropriate court. This might apply to both early and some post-1980-81 wills/probates (and also to other subjects like divorces). Some of the wills etc are going online (via the LDS?) these will only be a minority, and most files have to be seen at the branch of Archives NZ holding it. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 > Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to access a > will made in 1943 thanks Colleen > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:59:43 +1300 From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL (& Seacliff) To: "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz>, <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <AEBA5DA9058E444BA8C6E9583659E2AF@OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Sue: Re your ggmother, many Seacliff records are held at Archives NZ, Dunedin, although permission has to be obtained from the District Health Board. See address in Archives Research Guide No 6, Mental Health p7-8: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides/mental-health I don't know about Public Hospitals for your gmothers death in 1910. But some deaths in Public and particularly Mental Hospitals may result in an inquest. Deaths at Porirua and Avondale Mental Hospitals (and others?) resulted in regular batches of inquests every month or less in the early 20th century, even if the death was expected eg "senile decay", hence can be found in the index books for inquests at Archives NZ, Wellington. Records of all inquests are held there; some names can be found indexed in Archway, though I would not like to say how many years are indexed. I do not know of a hospital graveyard at Porirua Hospital, and think that burials would be in a public or perhaps church graveyard. But burial records (BR in the NZSG index) may be missing for burials a hundred years ago, and only a stone gravestone would survive until the 1980s when various NZSG branches did transcriptions of them (MI or Monumental Inscriptions in the NZSG indexes). Hence finding records of any burials a hundred years or more is less likely, though certainly possible for some. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL > Hi, > Could anyone advice me my grandma died in a Christchurch Hospital in 1910 > very suddenly only 26 leaving three little girls. I have her death cert > but hospitals name cut off where she died. I have just read her mums > record who died in Seacliff Mental hospital in 1907 very sad but never > had a photo of her even my late mum wandered what she looked like and to > my surprise there was a photo of her with her records. I dont live in > Christchurch but just wandered if the Christchurch main hospital would > still hold records that far back . If by law that record would be over > the 100yrs and could be read without any other member of family i would > have to ask. Advice please. > Thank you, Sue > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:51:55 +1300 From: "Christine Tregonning" <CJTregonning@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 To: "'John Wilson'" <hugo@actrix.co.nz>, "'Colleen'" <ginger15@bigpond.com>, <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANs8JFwb6N1JlfKktg9G+J/CgAAAEAAAAKKuAzw5Z51DvNes0hvOQUUBAAAAAA==@xtra.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Colleen, Even if the person died in Brisbane if they held property in New Zealand there may be a copy of the will or documents relating to probate here in New Zealand so I would check Archway first to see if there is any reference. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Wilson Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 4:22 p.m. To: Colleen; new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] wills made 1943 Hi Colleen: Where a will was held depend on where it was probated, and that would be done after death not when the will was made. New Zealand probates are held in the branches of Archives (Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin) which all hold court records, although up to c1950 Public Trust wills were probated through the Wellington court. See Research Guide No 2, Personal Identity p8-11: http://archives.govt.nz/research/guides And while each will (or intestate estates) has its own file, not all of the names of the person involved are indexed in Archway; so for some courts/periods you will need to check a paper index book etc for whatever is the appropriate court. This might apply to both early and some post-1980-81 wills/probates (and also to other subjects like divorces). Some of the wills etc are going online (via the LDS?) these will only be a minority, and most files have to be seen at the branch of Archives NZ holding it. Yours, John Wilson Subject: [nz] wills made 1943 > Hello can someone please tell me if I have to go into Brisbane to > access a will made in 1943 thanks Colleen > The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 22:18:22 +1300 From: "marina" <moresby76@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] Single line Descendants Chart To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1DF5881D77DD4919A29A673097B632F0@BorlandPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Gillian, My thanks for the website. Time for a brief browse only, but it looked most useful. Regards, Marina ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 09:48:51 +1300 From: "skut" <skut@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines To: <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DA56256A99DA472CAD9842405CAB3EB6@HP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original The magazines have found a new home Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: skut Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 4:01 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] New Zealand Genealogist Magazines Hi All I have New Zealand Genealogist Magazines to give away they are from approx 1991 ? 2012 and they must be picked up in Christchurch. I can be contacted off list, thanks. Regards Cheryl ----- No virus found in this message. 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