Hi all, I have been asked to try and find a Gail HOWARD daughter of Jack and Peggy HOWARD who lived in Gisborne around 1949. Gail was godmother to Pauline WALSH born in GIsborne 1949 and Gail was in her late teens at the time (probably born around 1930). Christening would have been at a Catholic church. Pauline is unwell and would like to make contact with Gail. Possible Gail is in the Hamilton area. Not know if she married. She had a brother called Tony Maybe someone can help. Thanks. Flora Ch9isnall

The family moved to Te-Rau-a-moa as Grace's father Oscar Dassler loved the bush and wanted to get back to an area that had bush. His main income was from making strainers, posts and battens by splitting them from fallen totara and rimu trees. A Mr Potts who bought the farm at Ngutunui bought many of the posts etc from him. On one occasion my father had stacked many strainers, posts and battens ready for Mr Potts to collect, but the family had to go away one day and on returning found the pile gone, so presumed Mr Potts had picked them up. That was until Mr Potts arrived a few days later to pick up his supplies and they realised they had been stolen. It was always presumed the perpetrators were neighbours........ // www.teawamutu.co.nz/info/history/grace.html On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to > Canterbury and then NZ-wide. > > My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough Cemetery, > Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good > Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". > > William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was > sold up 1915. > > There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) > > Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and > the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear listers and personal responders, Thank you so much for your interest in this. I’ve not only found out the history but also the person who placed the marker on the grave through you efforts. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail

Ray, Oscar Powell Dassler married Susan Elizabeth West of my late husband's West family in 1906. He died in 1965. I cannot help you with your question though. Best wishes, Noeleen.

Bobby Dazzler ? L O Loud On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Murray Reid <mhhr@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > I am not sure, but think I once ran into his brother, Bobby. > > Murray > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Rob" <rayrobt@hotmail.com> > To: "Bryan P" <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> > Cc: "Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nz] Dassler family, Te Rauamoa, nr Otorohanga > > > > Yes , Oscar Powell ( sometimes Paul ) DASSLER farmed at Te Rauamoa , >> according to the 1914 Electoral Roll >> Ray >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: >> >> This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to >>> Canterbury and then NZ-wide. >>> >>> My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough >>> Cemetery, >>> Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good >>> Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". >>> >>> William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was >>> sold up 1915. >>> >>> There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) >>> >>> Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and >>> the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bryan >>> >>> Sent from Windows Mail >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

I am not sure, but think I once ran into his brother, Bobby. Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Rob" <rayrobt@hotmail.com> To: "Bryan P" <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> Cc: "Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb" <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [nz] Dassler family, Te Rauamoa, nr Otorohanga > Yes , Oscar Powell ( sometimes Paul ) DASSLER farmed at Te Rauamoa , > according to the 1914 Electoral Roll > Ray > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > >> This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to >> Canterbury and then NZ-wide. >> >> My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough >> Cemetery, >> Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good >> Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". >> >> William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was >> sold up 1915. >> >> There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) >> >> Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and >> the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Bryan >> >> Sent from Windows Mail >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Perhaps Dassler and Fitzpatrick served together , Bryan . They were both in the Army Reserves in 1917 And I think you already know details of Fitzpatrick's military call-up. Could you follow up on Dassler's military record ? Cheers again , Ray On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to > Canterbury and then NZ-wide. > > My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough Cemetery, > Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good > Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". > > William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was > sold up 1915. > > There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) > > Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and > the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes , Oscar Powell ( sometimes Paul ) DASSLER farmed at Te Rauamoa , according to the 1914 Electoral Roll Ray On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to > Canterbury and then NZ-wide. > > My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough Cemetery, > Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good > Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". > > William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was > sold up 1915. > > There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) > > Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and > the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Brian , I suggest you also use the spelling 'DASSLER' in your searches Cheers Ray http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=q&hs=1&r=1&results=1&t=2&txq=Oscar+Dassler&pbq=&dafdq=&dafmq=&dafyq=&datdq=&datmq=&datyq=&tyq=&o=10&sf=&ssnip=&e=-------10--1----2Oscar+Dessler--&x=31&y=10 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to > Canterbury and then NZ-wide. > > My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough Cemetery, > Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text "Good > Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family". > > William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was > sold up 1915. > > There are Dessler's in the same area. (from threads on this forum) > > Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and > the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All Having a cleanout and unable to keep past Genealogy Journals from 2001 to 2008 inclusive, free to good home. Live in Auckland so pick-up or delivery suited. Please contact me if you wish all/any of these. Many thanks Di Kendle

Hi Is there anyone going to the library in Christchurch that can do a couple of lookups for me? Many thanks Sue

This connection is to the FITZPATRICK family from Cty. Tyrone to Canterbury and then NZ-wide. My Gt uncle William Thomas Fitzpatrick is buried in Hillsborough Cemetery, Auckland and has a recent marker stating his details and the text “Good Samaritan and Friend to the Oscar Dessler Family”. William moved from Koeke to Te Rauamoa sometime after the family farm was sold up 1915. There are Dessler’s in the same area. (from threads on this forum) Would anybody have a connection to or knowledge of an Oscar Dessler and the relationship to Wm Thos Fitzpatrick. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail

Invitation now sent. Port Macquarie? I lived and worked in that place for some months in 2002 - hubby and I were only chatting of it last week, saying how much we missed it. He was at Westpac and the coffees down by the beach most days were special times (I joined him in Westpac for awhile but then got a job at a Chartered Accountants "palace" just along the street, before later being transferred to Melbourne where I ended up joining the Govt. GST "bandwagon" and travelled around all of the Oz states except for Northern Territories). Probably that whole mid-coast area has some of my lasting memories (not to mention our exploring much further inland). I do not think I have ever enjoyed such a wonderful place to live (and work) as your place! Gail On 31/03/2014, at 9:24 PM, Shona Young wrote: > Thanks for that Gail (subject line and DNA explanation). And yes I would love an invite to the forum. > > The line back is through my children, not me; it's their great great grandfather's wife. She, Susanna, is as far as I know, the only child of Hanna. If I can find a direct female line that would be more useful. More work to do. > > Look forward to the invite! > Cheers, > Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) > > > On 31 March 2014 16:16, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > Shona > The "correctness" of the forum for your question seems to depend on the individual "owner" coupled with the Rootsweb requirements which forbid any commercial advertising. > In this case, I expect it to be a general discussion of DNA testing. By the way, I have changed the subject line to better reflect the nature of your query. For any specific further enquiries, it is probably best I invite you to the NZ DNA Yahoo forum if you so request. > > In general terms there are three main genealogical DNA tests:- > 1. Y-DNA - men only, (for the direct paternal lineage, meaning your father and his sons (his father and his sons and their direct male descendants, his grandfather and his sons and all their direct male descendants and so on back through the centuries). > 2. mtDNA - men and women, noting the men do not pass their mtDNA through to anyone - only the mothers can do that. (For the direct maternal line, meaning your mother and all her children, her mother and all her daughters and female descendants, Her grandmother and all her daughters and all their direct female descendants, her great grandmother and so on back through thousands of years!) > 3. atDNA - men and women who all receive their chromosomes 1 through 22 (I am ignoring the X chromosome in this) from their joint parents. The further back the generation is from whom you received these chromosomes, the smaller the segment which makes it difficult to go back to far... > > So the first thing you need to consider is whether Susanna is a direct maternal descendant of yours - if there is a break of a male, then mtDNA will not work for your quest. And the atDNA will be "hit and miss" being at that distance unless you also test your siblings. (I suggest this because frequently, our full siblings carry segments that are too small in us to be recognisable). > > atDNA will give a general view of the country that makes up you, but given the wanderlust of the humans, it will not be final. > > Both Y-DNA and mtDNA will give the ethnicity of the direct line, but again, we have a melting pot of so many contained even in the young countries of Australia or NZ that again, it is impossible to state exactly which country and at what time, that person's records existed. The best we can do is to give indications. Having said that, I have people on my books at present who cam to see me about a similar question and the chosen test strongly indicated the country they had believed would be the originating country. But we could not go further and state this with any greater precision than 30%! > > Kind regards > Gail Riddell > > On 31/03/2014, at 3:09 PM, Shona Young wrote: > >> Hi Gail and List >> I have had a look at FTDNA site and am interested in doing a DNA for both Aus and NZ. However I would like to know the best step (test) to take if I am looking for something specific. I have read about the tests but now have a brain freeze and think I may need a science degree to work out which is the best way foward. >> >> My children's great great grandmother's (Susanna) place of birth and place of birth of her mother (Hanna) is unknown. Susanna was the child of an army soldier in the Napoleonic Wars so is listed on Army Rolls and registered in the UK, but no other details to be had of the mother other than she was possibly dead at the time of his next marriage. I was hoping a DNA would narrow down a country other than England, possibly Spain to continue the research. >> >> What kind of DNA could provide this information and then whom to test? >> >> Apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question...please point me to the best one if not. >> >> Many thanks. >> Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) >> >> >> >> On 30 March 2014 15:54, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: >> I write to advise (with much pleasure) that FTDNA have given their approval to me to pioneer two new Australian Projects. >> > >

Thanks Gail, got the invite. Yes, Port is a special place.....lots of retirees though and possible has the largest population of older people in Aus. I know this as I work in aged care. Heaps of beaches around every turn and the place goes off in Summer...friends in Sydney say they're envious, but I think the NZ beaches are better! Sounds like you had some fun here! Cheers On 31 March 2014 19:56, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > Invitation now sent. > > Port Macquarie? > I lived and worked in that place for some months in 2002 - hubby and I > were only chatting of it last week, saying how much we missed it. He was > at Westpac and the coffees down by the beach most days were special times > (I joined him in Westpac for awhile but then got a job at a Chartered > Accountants "palace" just along the street, before later being transferred > to Melbourne where I ended up joining the Govt. GST "bandwagon" and > travelled around all of the Oz states except for Northern Territories). > > Probably that whole mid-coast area has some of my lasting memories (not to > mention our exploring much further inland). I do not think I have ever > enjoyed such a wonderful place to live (and work) as your place! > Gail > > On 31/03/2014, at 9:24 PM, Shona Young wrote: > > Thanks for that Gail (subject line and DNA explanation). And yes I would > love an invite to the forum. > > The line back is through my children, not me; it's their great great > grandfather's wife. She, Susanna, is as far as I know, the only child of > Hanna. If I can find a direct female line that would be more useful. More > work to do. > > Look forward to the invite! > Cheers, > Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) > > > On 31 March 2014 16:16, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > >> Shona >> The "correctness" of the forum for your question seems to depend on the >> individual "owner" coupled with the Rootsweb requirements which forbid any >> commercial advertising. >> In this case, I expect it to be a general discussion of DNA testing. By >> the way, I have changed the subject line to better reflect the nature of >> your query. For any specific further enquiries, it is probably best I >> invite you to the NZ DNA Yahoo forum if you so request. >> >> In general terms there are three main genealogical DNA tests:- >> 1. Y-DNA - men only, (for the direct paternal lineage, meaning your >> father and his sons (his father and his sons and their direct male >> descendants, his grandfather and his sons and all their direct male >> descendants and so on back through the centuries). >> 2. mtDNA - men and women, noting the men do not pass their mtDNA through >> to anyone - only the mothers can do that. (For the direct maternal line, >> meaning your mother and all her children, her mother and all her daughters >> and female descendants, Her grandmother and all her daughters and all >> their direct female descendants, her great grandmother and so on back >> through thousands of years!) >> 3. atDNA - men and women who all receive their chromosomes 1 through 22 >> (I am ignoring the X chromosome in this) from their joint parents. The >> further back the generation is from whom you received these chromosomes, >> the smaller the segment which makes it difficult to go back to far... >> >> So the first thing you need to consider is whether Susanna is a direct >> maternal descendant of yours - if there is a break of a male, then mtDNA >> will not work for your quest. And the atDNA will be "hit and miss" being >> at that distance unless you also test your siblings. (I suggest this >> because frequently, our full siblings carry segments that are too small in >> us to be recognisable). >> >> atDNA will give a general view of the country that makes up you, but >> given the wanderlust of the humans, it will not be final. >> >> Both Y-DNA and mtDNA will give the ethnicity of the direct line, but >> again, we have a melting pot of so many contained even in the young >> countries of Australia or NZ that again, it is impossible to state exactly >> which country and at what time, that person's records existed. The best we >> can do is to give indications. Having said that, I have people on my books >> at present who cam to see me about a similar question and the chosen test >> strongly indicated the country they had believed would be the originating >> country. But we could not go further and state this with any greater >> precision than 30%! >> >> Kind regards >> Gail Riddell >> >> On 31/03/2014, at 3:09 PM, Shona Young wrote: >> >> Hi Gail and List >> I have had a look at FTDNA site and am interested in doing a DNA for both >> Aus and NZ. However I would like to know the best step (test) to take if I >> am looking for something specific. I have read about the tests but now >> have a brain freeze and think I may need a science degree to work out which >> is the best way foward. >> >> My children's great great grandmother's (Susanna) place of birth and >> place of birth of her mother (Hanna) is unknown. Susanna was the child of >> an army soldier in the Napoleonic Wars so is listed on Army Rolls and >> registered in the UK, but no other details to be had of the mother other >> than she was possibly dead at the time of his next marriage. I was hoping a >> DNA would narrow down a country other than England, possibly Spain to >> continue the research. >> >> What kind of DNA could provide this information and then whom to test? >> >> Apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question...please >> point me to the best one if not. >> >> Many thanks. >> Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) >> >> >> >> On 30 March 2014 15:54, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: >> >>> I write to advise (with much pleasure) that FTDNA have given their >>> approval to me to pioneer two new Australian Projects. >>> >>> >> > >

Thanks for that Gail (subject line and DNA explanation). And yes I would love an invite to the forum. The line back is through my children, not me; it's their great great grandfather's wife. She, Susanna, is as far as I know, the only child of Hanna. If I can find a direct female line that would be more useful. More work to do. Look forward to the invite! Cheers, Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) On 31 March 2014 16:16, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > Shona > The "correctness" of the forum for your question seems to depend on the > individual "owner" coupled with the Rootsweb requirements which forbid any > commercial advertising. > In this case, I expect it to be a general discussion of DNA testing. By > the way, I have changed the subject line to better reflect the nature of > your query. For any specific further enquiries, it is probably best I > invite you to the NZ DNA Yahoo forum if you so request. > > In general terms there are three main genealogical DNA tests:- > 1. Y-DNA - men only, (for the direct paternal lineage, meaning your > father and his sons (his father and his sons and their direct male > descendants, his grandfather and his sons and all their direct male > descendants and so on back through the centuries). > 2. mtDNA - men and women, noting the men do not pass their mtDNA through > to anyone - only the mothers can do that. (For the direct maternal line, > meaning your mother and all her children, her mother and all her daughters > and female descendants, Her grandmother and all her daughters and all > their direct female descendants, her great grandmother and so on back > through thousands of years!) > 3. atDNA - men and women who all receive their chromosomes 1 through 22 > (I am ignoring the X chromosome in this) from their joint parents. The > further back the generation is from whom you received these chromosomes, > the smaller the segment which makes it difficult to go back to far... > > So the first thing you need to consider is whether Susanna is a direct > maternal descendant of yours - if there is a break of a male, then mtDNA > will not work for your quest. And the atDNA will be "hit and miss" being > at that distance unless you also test your siblings. (I suggest this > because frequently, our full siblings carry segments that are too small in > us to be recognisable). > > atDNA will give a general view of the country that makes up you, but given > the wanderlust of the humans, it will not be final. > > Both Y-DNA and mtDNA will give the ethnicity of the direct line, but > again, we have a melting pot of so many contained even in the young > countries of Australia or NZ that again, it is impossible to state exactly > which country and at what time, that person's records existed. The best we > can do is to give indications. Having said that, I have people on my books > at present who cam to see me about a similar question and the chosen test > strongly indicated the country they had believed would be the originating > country. But we could not go further and state this with any greater > precision than 30%! > > Kind regards > Gail Riddell > > On 31/03/2014, at 3:09 PM, Shona Young wrote: > > Hi Gail and List > I have had a look at FTDNA site and am interested in doing a DNA for both > Aus and NZ. However I would like to know the best step (test) to take if I > am looking for something specific. I have read about the tests but now > have a brain freeze and think I may need a science degree to work out which > is the best way foward. > > My children's great great grandmother's (Susanna) place of birth and place > of birth of her mother (Hanna) is unknown. Susanna was the child of an > army soldier in the Napoleonic Wars so is listed on Army Rolls and > registered in the UK, but no other details to be had of the mother other > than she was possibly dead at the time of his next marriage. I was hoping a > DNA would narrow down a country other than England, possibly Spain to > continue the research. > > What kind of DNA could provide this information and then whom to test? > > Apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question...please > point me to the best one if not. > > Many thanks. > Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) > > > > On 30 March 2014 15:54, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > >> I write to advise (with much pleasure) that FTDNA have given their >> approval to me to pioneer two new Australian Projects. >> >> >

Shona The "correctness" of the forum for your question seems to depend on the individual "owner" coupled with the Rootsweb requirements which forbid any commercial advertising. In this case, I expect it to be a general discussion of DNA testing. By the way, I have changed the subject line to better reflect the nature of your query. For any specific further enquiries, it is probably best I invite you to the NZ DNA Yahoo forum if you so request. In general terms there are three main genealogical DNA tests:- 1. Y-DNA - men only, (for the direct paternal lineage, meaning your father and his sons (his father and his sons and their direct male descendants, his grandfather and his sons and all their direct male descendants and so on back through the centuries). 2. mtDNA - men and women, noting the men do not pass their mtDNA through to anyone - only the mothers can do that. (For the direct maternal line, meaning your mother and all her children, her mother and all her daughters and female descendants, Her grandmother and all her daughters and all their direct female descendants, her great grandmother and so on back through thousands of years!) 3. atDNA - men and women who all receive their chromosomes 1 through 22 (I am ignoring the X chromosome in this) from their joint parents. The further back the generation is from whom you received these chromosomes, the smaller the segment which makes it difficult to go back to far... So the first thing you need to consider is whether Susanna is a direct maternal descendant of yours - if there is a break of a male, then mtDNA will not work for your quest. And the atDNA will be "hit and miss" being at that distance unless you also test your siblings. (I suggest this because frequently, our full siblings carry segments that are too small in us to be recognisable). atDNA will give a general view of the country that makes up you, but given the wanderlust of the humans, it will not be final. Both Y-DNA and mtDNA will give the ethnicity of the direct line, but again, we have a melting pot of so many contained even in the young countries of Australia or NZ that again, it is impossible to state exactly which country and at what time, that person's records existed. The best we can do is to give indications. Having said that, I have people on my books at present who cam to see me about a similar question and the chosen test strongly indicated the country they had believed would be the originating country. But we could not go further and state this with any greater precision than 30%! Kind regards Gail Riddell On 31/03/2014, at 3:09 PM, Shona Young wrote: > Hi Gail and List > I have had a look at FTDNA site and am interested in doing a DNA for both Aus and NZ. However I would like to know the best step (test) to take if I am looking for something specific. I have read about the tests but now have a brain freeze and think I may need a science degree to work out which is the best way foward. > > My children's great great grandmother's (Susanna) place of birth and place of birth of her mother (Hanna) is unknown. Susanna was the child of an army soldier in the Napoleonic Wars so is listed on Army Rolls and registered in the UK, but no other details to be had of the mother other than she was possibly dead at the time of his next marriage. I was hoping a DNA would narrow down a country other than England, possibly Spain to continue the research. > > What kind of DNA could provide this information and then whom to test? > > Apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question...please point me to the best one if not. > > Many thanks. > Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) > > > > On 30 March 2014 15:54, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > I write to advise (with much pleasure) that FTDNA have given their approval to me to pioneer two new Australian Projects. >

Hi Yvonne I can probably help you with this, after I have had my dinner. Heather Tauranga -----Original Message----- From: Yvonne Lynskey Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 5:33 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] NZ Herald Death Notice look up 30 September 2011 Request on behalf of a friend who is looking for the full death notice of Gae Revell SHAW who died 29 September 2011. The Notice appeared in the NZ Herald on the 30 Sept 2011. She can only access the partial notice and needs the full notice. This is a distant cousin and she is hoping to make contact with a family member. Yvonne Lynskey Lower Hutt The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Request on behalf of a friend who is looking for the full death notice of Gae Revell SHAW who died 29 September 2011. The Notice appeared in the NZ Herald on the 30 Sept 2011. She can only access the partial notice and needs the full notice. This is a distant cousin and she is hoping to make contact with a family member. Yvonne Lynskey Lower Hutt

Hi Gail and List I have had a look at FTDNA site and am interested in doing a DNA for both Aus and NZ. However I would like to know the best step (test) to take if I am looking for something specific. I have read about the tests but now have a brain freeze and think I may need a science degree to work out which is the best way foward. My children's great great grandmother's (Susanna) place of birth and place of birth of her mother (Hanna) is unknown. Susanna was the child of an army soldier in the Napoleonic Wars so is listed on Army Rolls and registered in the UK, but no other details to be had of the mother other than she was possibly dead at the time of his next marriage. I was hoping a DNA would narrow down a country other than England, possibly Spain to continue the research. What kind of DNA could provide this information and then whom to test? Apologies if this is not the appropriate forum for this question...please point me to the best one if not. Many thanks. Shona (Port Macquarie, NSW) On 30 March 2014 15:54, Gail Riddell <grid2@wc.net.nz> wrote: > I write to advise (with much pleasure) that FTDNA have given their > approval to me to pioneer two new Australian Projects. > > They are both categorised as Dual Y DNA and mtDNA Geographical projects > and the only person currently within either of them is me. :~) > > Consequently, I need to broadcast this far and wide as I am aware we have > many Australian testers within our ranks. (Even if you have ONLY tested > atDNA (Family Finder) to date, it matters not. Just join. > > The "Australian Convicts" project is primarily aimed at those poor sods > (male and female) who faced the tribulations of that unknown sea journey in > the late 18th century. It will also welcome those who were later > transferred to Norfolk Island. > > The "Australian Settlers" project is aimed at anyone whoever entered the > land as a settler or traversed the rigours of the Convict status and became > bone fide settlers. > > If you are interested in joining, the Convicts project is at > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AustralianConvicts/ > The Settlers Project is at > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/AustralianSettlers/ > Very little in the way of blurb has been prepared at this time, although > it will come. > > If you join, you will need to supply me with either the Fleet and the ship > on which your ancestor(s) arrived (for the former) and the port(s) of > arrival of your most distant Australian immigrants (both direct male > lineage and direct female lineage). If you have only tested atDNA (FF), > then that information is unnecessary. > > If you do NOT know on which ship your convict ancestor arrived, please do > NOT join the Convict project and opt only for the Australian Settlers > project. > > Kind regards > Gail Riddell > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Noeleen: There is a Warren (possibly Daniel Warren) active as a photographer in Patea, South Taranaki (1890/91 to 1894/95 so too early?); Warren and Cowie (Auckland, 1900); and T E Warren (Christchurch, 1910s to 1932) plus two others. All in the Auckland City Library database of photographers. http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/photographers/basic_search.htm Yours, John Wilson >I have a photo of Mary Dorothy Latchmore signed Warren. Does anyone know > whereabouts of the photographer? U.K. or N.Z? She was born in Durham 1870 > and came to N.Z. in 1909 and lived in Ohakune and Taupo, with her husband, > Dr. Arthur Latchmore, then as a widow in Napier and Auckland 1931-39. >