Yes - agreed - wait for the lawyers letter... If it arrives and is serious, you could then get definite legal advice pro or con - till then it's just really all  hearsay  + speculation isn't it? I guess that libraries have to be paranoid about such things - have you read the notices they put on their photocopiers?? Regards Stephen //// From: Kevin Walker <clartiere@gmail.com> To: NZ List <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this   Since the ChCh Library admits it's not the owner of the intellectual property rights, it might not be their place to tell Beverley to remove her transcripts. They might be able to stop her doing more, which we all agree is a shame. But the owner of rights needs to be found and Beverley can negotiate with them. She is not displaying images, just transcripts. That's her original work. I hope Beverley will leave her work where it is for now, pending contact with the actual owner of the rights (if such exists). Kevin -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com Sent: 10 April 2014 23:03 I'm with Cheryl on this one. It has taken the library too long to up and say something. Why have they not said anything before now. Michelle Cook On 10 April 2014 22:31, skut <skut@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Beverley > > Did they tell you who actually own the intellectual rights if so > approach them. I am behind you Beverley. > > Regards Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley > > Hello All > I was in the library today  and I have been asked to no longer publish > any of the Church Register card information on my web site. > I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property > rights to the Church register cards and  as a consequence I  have been > asked to remove  this information from my web site. > > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ

I am also with you Beverley. It is a fantastic resource - and on your site especially for people who are not from Christchurch. I think you should ask who owns the rights on the cards or on the information contained. Please don't throw it out from your personal file. Was there any signage indicating you could not do this? And as the information is all past 50 years ( I think, for church registers)is it then not public domain?? We should mount a protest. Maybe also just list names on the memlist site? There must be a way around this, and preferably to do so with the "blessing" of  the church group which is offended. I doubt that it is the library   On Thursday, 10 April 2014 10:32 PM, skut <skut@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Hi Beverley Did they tell you who actually own the intellectual rights if so approach them. I am behind you Beverley. Regards Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:35 PM To: NZ Mailing List Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this Hello All I was in the library today  and I have been asked to no longer publish any of the Church Register card information on my web site. I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property rights to the Church register cards and  as a consequence I  have been asked to remove  this information from my web site. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ -- Beverley Evans http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3466 / Virus Database: 3722/7320 - Release Date: 04/09/14 The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, Wondering if any list member has death notices back to 1970 that maybe able to help me find who this man was. He was cremated on 29/6/1970 aged 91 and apart for NZSG Cd which shows him living at Roskill Masonic Village, I don’t have any other information about him. Thank you, Regards Allan

Unless a passenger was onshipping to NZ from farther places, usually through a major shipping line and passenger records were transmitted from departure ports, you are unlikely to find her.. It is far less likely she would be named on a local steamer from Australia to NZ. Some records from Victoria Aus to NZ are available.But I expect you have checked them, If you look in TROVE you will find daily advertisments from shipping lines wanting passengers to NZ. My Howe family arrived in the Bay of Islands 1839 HOW? as brother in law was a ships Master, no doubt they came undocumented with him. Even as late as within the last few years an aquaintance with a prostitute daughter, who had been deported from Aus, in few weeks later had returned to Aus via some crews quarters.cheers penne From: "Patricia Byers" <petpad.byers@gmail.com> To: "NZ Rootsweb" <New-Zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 9:56 AMSubject: [nz] how did Jessey Jarrold get to NZ? One my big yet-to-be-solved mysteries is to find out how Jessey (spelled variously- Jessy, Jessie) Jarrold reached NZ some time before1875. These are my current clues: * 1875 - the date given in her will. * her ITM stated she had been in NZ 1 year * she had an illegitimate son, Frederick William, born at sea. I have not been able to find a birth certificate for him. He died aged 15 on 31 January 1890 of phthisis (Tb). His step-father was the informant. * she married Harry Byers in Palmerston North on 10 July 1875; her marriage certificate described her as 22, spinster, domestic. asmania --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

One my big yet-to-be-solved mysteries is to find out how Jessey (spelled variously- Jessy, Jessie) Jarrold reached NZ some time before1875. These are my current clues: * 1875 - the date given in her will. * her ITM stated she had been in NZ 1 year * she had an illegitimate son, Frederick William, born at sea. I have not been able to find a birth certificate for him. He died aged 15 on 31 January 1890 of phthisis (Tb). His step-father was the informant. * she married Harry Byers in Palmerston North on 10 July 1875; her marriage certificate described her as 22, spinster, domestic. I have searched shipping lists - maybe I’m not doing it correctly - but it’s very frustrating not being able to pin her down. I have come across surname variations for other family members: Jarrald and Garrold in censuses in England. Here’s hoping. Paddy Tasmania

Hi Sue If you ordered a printout of your grandmother's death registration from the Internal Affairs Department, and they haven't sent you a copy of the whole entry then I suggest that you email them and ask for another copy. Alternatively - or perhaps additionally - if you email me your grandmother's name and date of death I would be happy to see if there is anything at the Christchurch office of Archives NZ. Regards Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury. --- original message --- On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, "Les & Sue Tuner" <LesT@xtra.co.nz> wrote: Subject: [nz] RECORDS FROM CHRISTCHURCH HOSPITAL Hi, Could anyone advice me my grandma died in a Christchurch Hospital in 1910 very suddenly only 26 leaving three little girls. I have her death cert but hospitals name cut off where she died. I have just read her mums record who died in Seacliff Mental hospital in 1907 very sad but never had a photo of her even my late mum wandered what she looked like and to my surprise there was a photo of her with her records. I dont live in Christchurch but just wandered if the Christchurch main hospital would still hold records that far back . If by law that record would be over the 100yrs and could be read without any other member of family i would have to ask. Advice please. Thank you. Sue

Hi folks, Hoping one of you may have a photo of Column 102 from the above memorial. Looking for Hone Duff killed 3/12/1941. Thank you, Regards Allan

My 'go to' place for tech stuff is http://askleo.com/ He is good at explaining things clearly to non-technical people. I subscribe to his free newsletter. Leo also has a presence on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/askleofan?fref=ts) and holds a "Facebook Fan Friday" event each week - Saturday our time. Good place to ask questions. Wendy Calvin Berg said the following on 9/04/2014 15:32: > Hi, > This is a subject I have been looking at and find it a bit of a worry. > For anyone who does not know what this is - An encrypting virus encrypts > all your data so you cant access it and demands a ransom to get it > back. Some people pay and recover their data, others pay and dont get > their data. It appears the viruses are getting smarter and if you have > your back up permanently attached to your computer, that can be > encrypted too. The latest I have heard is an attempt at encrypting > which included the dropbox file, so if successful it would mean your > computer would up date dropbox and encrypt that also. If this can > happen then any cloud storage is at risk where it is in sync with your > computer. eg Google and Ancestory. > As this is an issue for many on the list I wondered if we have a member > who may be able to post some helpful hints to avoid a disaster. > Regards, > Calvin

Yesterday I was very happily searching Rootsweb World connect, looking up Family trees for odd pieces of information. This afternoon I go to my "Favourite" and land in Ancestry and this asks me a stupid question of "How old is the person". It does not allow you to go any further unless that question is answered - I have no idea how old he is, as he was born in 1840. Could some kind person please explain, what happen in the last 24 hours to Rootsweb World Connect. That was an really good site to find odd pieces, then double checking them against other sources and now every thing is in Ancestry. Many thanks to any help Pam http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shamere/

Hi, This is a subject I have been looking at and find it a bit of a worry. For anyone who does not know what this is - An encrypting virus encrypts all your data so you cant access it and demands a ransom to get it back. Some people pay and recover their data, others pay and dont get their data. It appears the viruses are getting smarter and if you have your back up permanently attached to your computer, that can be encrypted too. The latest I have heard is an attempt at encrypting which included the dropbox file, so if successful it would mean your computer would up date dropbox and encrypt that also. If this can happen then any cloud storage is at risk where it is in sync with your computer. eg Google and Ancestory. As this is an issue for many on the list I wondered if we have a member who may be able to post some helpful hints to avoid a disaster. Regards, Calvin

Hi Calvin If you keep a back up separate to your computer and preferably away from home, should you get the encryption problem you would be covered for most eventualities Frankly it would be wise to do so anyway as you would suffer the same problem should some ne'er do well steals your computer or god forbid your house burns down, floods or whatever Neither should you trust to just one back up, back ups can fail or be corrupt themselves A lot depends upon your circumstances and how important data is to you, but data storage is relatively cheap these days compared to a few short years ago Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 09/04/2014 04:32, Calvin Berg wrote: > Hi, > This is a subject I have been looking at and find it a bit of a worry. > For anyone who does not know what this is - An encrypting virus encrypts > all your data so you cant access it and demands a ransom to get it > back. Some people pay and recover their data, others pay and dont get > their data. It appears the viruses are getting smarter and if you have

these sites are probably getting a bit technical for we family historians but it is interesting to see how far one might take things to make one's site more findable. http://webmarketingtoday.com/articles/How-to-Make-your-Local-Website-More-Findable/ http://www.socialbrite.org/2013/09/16/seo-101-how-to-make-your-site-more-findable/ -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:35 AM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share these pages explain things about findability of web pages https://www.hawaii.edu/infobits/w2001/websearch.html http://www.ask.com/question/how-do-you-make-your-website-findable -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:27 AM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share You need to know some HTML to be able make your web pages more findable, eg you can imbed keywords in a particular part of the HTML code (they don't show on the page) that search bots look for. That's why when you enter seemingly innocuous terms in a search engine you might come up with disreputable porn sites (are there reputable ones?) which have entered such keywords in the html code to get hits which they wouldn't get if they just used rude or sexy words. You need to give the likes of google's search bots time to find and index your web pages. eg if you've only just uploaded the pages Google will have no idea they are there yet. Once they find them you should find your pages coming up as long as there aren't zillions of similar sites that will come up with similar search terms used by searchers. I've left my information all over the web over many years and it is so frustrating to search for a person on my database looking for fresh information and keep coming up with my own stuff! -----Original Message----- From: Bryan P Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share Thanks everyone for the input. How do you get Google and Bing to know who you are on Rootsweb? Olwyn’s site came up. But others I’ve found don’t register. Wendy, how do you get your site recognised? My present homepages site is in the first 10 results of a search. Try Parrott or Fitzpatrick family. For me people searching names on search engines is the most important aspect of internet genealogy. A couple I tried on Rootsweb didn’t show up in the first 10 pages of results. Unfortunately I cannot afford the luxury of a paid domain and hosting, so I may have to go with Rootsweb. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

these pages explain things about findability of web pages https://www.hawaii.edu/infobits/w2001/websearch.html http://www.ask.com/question/how-do-you-make-your-website-findable -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:27 AM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share You need to know some HTML to be able make your web pages more findable, eg you can imbed keywords in a particular part of the HTML code (they don't show on the page) that search bots look for. That's why when you enter seemingly innocuous terms in a search engine you might come up with disreputable porn sites (are there reputable ones?) which have entered such keywords in the html code to get hits which they wouldn't get if they just used rude or sexy words. You need to give the likes of google's search bots time to find and index your web pages. eg if you've only just uploaded the pages Google will have no idea they are there yet. Once they find them you should find your pages coming up as long as there aren't zillions of similar sites that will come up with similar search terms used by searchers. I've left my information all over the web over many years and it is so frustrating to search for a person on my database looking for fresh information and keep coming up with my own stuff! -----Original Message----- From: Bryan P Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share Thanks everyone for the input. How do you get Google and Bing to know who you are on Rootsweb? Olwyn’s site came up. But others I’ve found don’t register. Wendy, how do you get your site recognised? My present homepages site is in the first 10 results of a search. Try Parrott or Fitzpatrick family. For me people searching names on search engines is the most important aspect of internet genealogy. A couple I tried on Rootsweb didn’t show up in the first 10 pages of results. Unfortunately I cannot afford the luxury of a paid domain and hosting, so I may have to go with Rootsweb. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You need to know some HTML to be able make your web pages more findable, eg you can imbed keywords in a particular part of the HTML code (they don't show on the page) that search bots look for. That's why when you enter seemingly innocuous terms in a search engine you might come up with disreputable porn sites (are there reputable ones?) which have entered such keywords in the html code to get hits which they wouldn't get if they just used rude or sexy words. You need to give the likes of google's search bots time to find and index your web pages. eg if you've only just uploaded the pages Google will have no idea they are there yet. Once they find them you should find your pages coming up as long as there aren't zillions of similar sites that will come up with similar search terms used by searchers. I've left my information all over the web over many years and it is so frustrating to search for a person on my database looking for fresh information and keep coming up with my own stuff! -----Original Message----- From: Bryan P Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:11 PM To: Rootsweb NZ Rootsweb Subject: Re: [nz] Family Tree Website Hosting - please share Thanks everyone for the input. How do you get Google and Bing to know who you are on Rootsweb? Olwyn’s site came up. But others I’ve found don’t register. Wendy, how do you get your site recognised? My present homepages site is in the first 10 results of a search. Try Parrott or Fitzpatrick family. For me people searching names on search engines is the most important aspect of internet genealogy. A couple I tried on Rootsweb didn’t show up in the first 10 pages of results. Unfortunately I cannot afford the luxury of a paid domain and hosting, so I may have to go with Rootsweb. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There’s been a great deal of correspondence on this. Thank you to those who replied and informed. Overall I think I will probably end up making my own domain, because: It seems Rootsweb Freepages don’t readily answer Google searches and that to my mind is what genealogy name searches need. Most ISP’s now don’t offer free homepages - my reason for changing (I’m running out of byte space). Family History websites don’t have too many byte-heavy-handed processes so are a little cheaper. They are essentially factual. I hope the exchanges have been helpful for some. It may be presumptuous of me but here is what I have so far: http://tinyurl.com/ykwrgkz Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail

Seen on Trove, the Australian equivalent of NZ's "Papers Past" http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1686512 The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.), Saturday 27 March 1920, page 11 MARRIAGES. MILLS-ROBERTSON.-On the 20th March, 1920, at St. John's Church of England, Camberwell, by the Rev. Roscoe Wilson, Albert Henry Mills (late A.I.F.), to Lina Robertson. Present ad- dress, 19? Aird street, Camberwell. (Sydney and New Zealand papers please copy.) Given the wording of the marriage notice I presume one or both have a NZ connection, but don't know what it is. The bride's full name may have been Selina Rose ROBERTSON, given that the 1924 electoral roll for Boroondara, Subdivision of Camberwell E/R has this apparent pairing: Mills, Albert Henry, 9 Station st., Camberwell, carpenter, M Mills, Selina Rose, 9 Station st., Camberwell, home duties, M Hope it helps someone Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury, NZ

Hi List I have sent the notice off to David. Heather Tauranga -----Original Message----- From: David Martin Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 8:23 PM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb. com Subject: [nz] MINUS Nora Huia b. BENNETT Hi List Would like a full copy of Nora's newspaper notice please if someone has it ? Regards David NZ Herald Oct. 21, 2013 MINUS, Nora Huia (nee Bennett). It is with much sadness that we announce the death of Nora on Saturday 19 October 2013. Nora was the... The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List Would like a full copy of Nora's newspaper notice please if someone has it ? Regards David NZ Herald Oct. 21, 2013 MINUS, Nora Huia (nee Bennett). It is with much sadness that we announce the death of Nora on Saturday 19 October 2013. Nora was the...

Hi Bryan, I don't do anything in particular in the way of attracting search engines. I know enough to know that can be an entire topic on its own! It could be that the Freepages sites you've looked at were not particularly well constructed, and so did not contain elements that would help a search engine to find it. I don't know enough to tell you what those elements might be. There is a good peer-to-peer mailing list for Freepages, which you'll be subscribed to automatically when your Freepages account is created. That's a good place to be asking this sort of question. Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Bryan P said the following on 8/04/2014 16:11: > Thanks everyone for the input. > > How do you get Google and Bing to know who you are on Rootsweb? Olwyn’s site came up. But others I’ve found don’t register. > > Wendy, how do you get your site recognised? > > My present homepages site is in the first 10 results of a search. Try Parrott or Fitzpatrick family. > > For me people searching names on search engines is the most important aspect of internet genealogy. A couple I tried on Rootsweb didn’t show up in the first 10 pages of results. > > Unfortunately I cannot afford the luxury of a paid domain and hosting, so I may have to go with Rootsweb. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan

Hi Helen Just to clarify, neither Outlook Express nor Firefox have email addresses, you are currently using a Yahoo address Unless you wish to or have to you could retain the same address and download to Thunderbird on your computer If you liked Outlook Express and want a similar experience in Windows 7 or 8, consider trying Thunderbird, from the same stable as Firefox Very similar in operation to OE but better in fact ================= If you mean change the email address you use for mailing lists? You would need to unsubscribe the old address and then subscribe the new address to each list What I would suggest is going to the Rootsweb home page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Scroll down and under Help menu select Password Central Enter the email address you usually use in the box Enter a tick in the box "to which lists am I subscribed?" Then scroll down and click Email me my info Which will send you an email with a listing of all the lists to which that address is subscribed Each list name will also include the address to post to and the address to unsubscribe That way its easy to keep track of the process NB to unsubscribe you need to send to the address with "request" in it Send a blank email from the old address to the "request" address for the list in question, with only the word unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the mail, and no other words Then send a blank email from the new address to the "request" address to each list you want to subscribe to, with only the word subscribe in the subject line and body of the mail, and no other words =============== Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 08/04/2014 05:49, Helen Mcnamara wrote: > Hi Can someone please tell me v e r y s l o w l y how I change my > Rootsweb mailing lists email address from my Outlook Express email > addresses to my Firefox address? Another sorting out from my XP > computer Helen McNamara