Hi Hilton I can do the NZ Herald ones, but it will have to be tomorrow Saturday, if that is ok, Heather Tauranga -----Original Message----- From: hilton doidge Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 8:30 PM To: NZ L Subject: [nz] ROWELL... Death notices please It will be appreciated if anyone has access to the FULL death notices for the following please... ROWELL, David Graham Noel. Published in Waikato Times, 14 August 2013. SEYMOUR, Rosealie nee ROWELL. Published in NZ Herald, 16 May 2011 and Napier Mail, 25 May 2011. BAYLIS, Eileen Betty nee ROWELL. Published in NZ Herald, 30 September 2013. I am aware of the brief snippets in "A Memory Tree" and "NZ Herald." TIA Hilton Doidge hilton.d@clear.net.nz The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It will be appreciated if anyone has access to the FULL death notices for the following please... ROWELL, David Graham Noel. Published in Waikato Times, 14 August 2013. SEYMOUR, Rosealie nee ROWELL. Published in NZ Herald, 16 May 2011 and Napier Mail, 25 May 2011. BAYLIS, Eileen Betty nee ROWELL. Published in NZ Herald, 30 September 2013. I am aware of the brief snippets in "A Memory Tree" and "NZ Herald." TIA Hilton Doidge hilton.d@clear.net.nz

Hi Penne... Thank you very much for your assistance in managing to have a ground map of the above cemetery sent to me from Napier City Council, it came complete with the gravesite I was looking for marked very clearly, including a photo... [all I had to do was walk about 10 metres from where I parked my car]! For anyone searching the NCC operated cemeteries they have pulled some of their databases off-line due to a current audit... The ones that are back online are.. Wharerangi, Western Hills and Eskdale, found at... http://www.napier.govt.nz/services/napier-cemeteries/cemetery-database/ ... Others will be added as they are completed... Btw Penne I thoroughly enjoyed my 'afternoon tea' with the Napier Mayor in his chamber at the Royal Humane Society Presentation to my 15 yr-old grandson for a bravery award [medal and certificate] for his part in an offshore rescue at Waipatiki Beach in Jan 2013... So thank you also for your kind words toward that... >From a very proud grandfather... Hilton Doidge Waikato

I have seen ( unofficial) reference to a Duncan Campbell , born 1857 , Auckland , New Zealand , died 1938 , Timaru , South Canterbury , New Zealand His wife , Sarah Cameron was supposedly born 1824 , Kilmarllie , Scotland . 3 Children born to the couple ; 1888 1891 1897 I shall try and check on this supermum Cheers , Ray On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:18 PM, spark <spark@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > My ggg aunt Sarah CAMERON Campbell died at 'The Molyneaux' on 24 February > 1863 - there is a death notice in the Daily Southern Cross (Auckland, where > several of her family lived) on 21 March 1863. She left a husband and young > family of six children, the youngest born on 1 February 1863, according to > family information. I can find no death to match her in the online BDM, nor > any birth for the recent daughter Mary. Could her husband Duncan CAMPBELL > have been so distressed he failed to register the death and the birth? Is > there some other way to search for her death? > > Stuart Park > Kerikeri > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Would it not be the different Churches who would own the registers? If that is the case one would need to approach them for permission to transcribe them, and if NZSG had a part in transcribing it may be them who gives permission ......just saying my tuppence worth!  I for one have Many old families in Christchurch I research and have found Beverleys contributions a great help, let us all stand behind her in support of carrying on her wonderful work! Charmaine Andresen. > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:35 PM > To: NZ Mailing List > Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library -  > please read this > > Hello All > I was in the library today  and I have been asked to no longer publish  > any of the Church Register card information on my web site. > I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property  > rights to the Church register cards and  as a consequence I  have been  > asked to remove  this information from my web site. > > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ >   New Zealand Society of Genealogists. http://www.genealogy.org.nz New Zealand Scottish Interest Branch. http://www.scotgroup.tk/ Our Family Tree Online. http://www.genesreunited.co.uk

Beth, Which Lutheran Church was he Confirmed in ? There is a Film at the National Library, Wellington, I read it some years ago. Has the Mauriceville Church , Wairarapa , Danish Lutheran Church records. I do not remember what years it covered, except was very early 1900's. Has the 1906 Baptism of my Father in Law, and a Confirmation of his elder brother ( born 1890 ). All in Danish. I wonder if the first Certificate was lost, or only recorded in the Church Books. It does seem that in later times all Lutheran Church records are found together. Mary -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aotueka Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 12:40 p.m. To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Church confirmation after death??? Hello all . . . I have what appears to be a confirmation certificate for a relative dated 1890, but am a trifle confused. He died some 6 years earlier in 1884 when he was in his late 20's. Was it the norm to confirm someone after death??? The church concerned is Lutheran and in New Zealand, and the relative is of German descent. Thanks. Beth The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9663 (20140410) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9663 (20140410) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 9663 (20140410) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

My ggg aunt Sarah CAMERON Campbell died at 'The Molyneaux' on 24 February 1863 - there is a death notice in the Daily Southern Cross (Auckland, where several of her family lived) on 21 March 1863. She left a husband and young family of six children, the youngest born on 1 February 1863, according to family information. I can find no death to match her in the online BDM, nor any birth for the recent daughter Mary. Could her husband Duncan CAMPBELL have been so distressed he failed to register the death and the birth? Is there some other way to search for her death? Stuart Park Kerikeri

Hello all . . . I have what appears to be a confirmation certificate for a relative dated 1890, but am a trifle confused. He died some 6 years earlier in 1884 when he was in his late 20's. Was it the norm to confirm someone after death??? The church concerned is Lutheran and in New Zealand, and the relative is of German descent. Thanks. Beth

Hi Beverley, As one who has benefited hugely from your efforts, please don't just give up. What you've done with your transcripts is to provide a genealogical resource that is not just a Christchurch-wide facility, but New Zealand-wide, in fact a world-wide resource. Please do find out from the library why they said what they said, and who does have the intellectual property (IP) rights. If there is someway as a membership list of this forum we can "protest" or approach the IP owner en masse, count me in! Cheers, Susan Wilson -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beverley Sent: Friday, 11 April 2014 16:35 To: NZ Mailing List Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this Hello All I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish any of the Church Register card information on my web site. I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence I have been asked to remove this information from my web site. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ -- Beverley Evans http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bev, I would go into the library again and ask for someone in authority - you might have just struck someone who was over officious. I'm not sure about the copyright rules on this one, but usually there is an expert at a university, if you want to contact Canterbury University and ask. Jeanette > Since the ChCh Library admits it's not the owner of the intellectual > property rights, it might not be their place to tell Beverley to remove > her > transcripts. They might be able to stop her doing more, which we all agree > is a shame. But the owner of rights needs to be found and Beverley can > negotiate with them. She is not displaying images, just transcripts. > That's > her original work. I hope Beverley will leave her work where it is for > now, > pending contact with the actual owner of the rights (if such exists). > > Kevin > >

Since the ChCh Library admits it's not the owner of the intellectual property rights, it might not be their place to tell Beverley to remove her transcripts. They might be able to stop her doing more, which we all agree is a shame. But the owner of rights needs to be found and Beverley can negotiate with them. She is not displaying images, just transcripts. That's her original work. I hope Beverley will leave her work where it is for now, pending contact with the actual owner of the rights (if such exists). Kevin -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michele Cook Sent: 10 April 2014 23:03 To: skut Cc: Beverley; NEW-ZEALAND Subject: Re: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this I'm with Cheryl on this one. It has taken the library too long to up and say something. Why have they not said anything before now. Michelle Cook On 10 April 2014 22:31, skut <skut@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Beverley > > Did they tell you who actually own the intellectual rights if so > approach them. I am behind you Beverley. > > Regards Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:35 PM > To: NZ Mailing List > Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - > please read this > > Hello All > I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish > any of the Church Register card information on my web site. > I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property > rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence I have been > asked to remove this information from my web site. > > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ > > > -- > Beverley Evans > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ > transcriber of old newspapers > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3466 / Virus Database: 3722/7320 - Release Date: > 04/09/14 > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know of other people researching their family from far and beyond who use Beverley's website. It is certainly PC gone haywire. Michelle Cook On 11 April 2014 07:14, Bryan P <bryannp@slingshot.co.nz> wrote: > Hello Beverley/all, > > This is illogical on the library's part. Why are the cards in a public > place, freely available to copy? > > The internet is a public place - in this case a specific genealogical > source. > > I have cited these records on my website as well. Shall I remove them now? > > Should Internal Affairs remove its BDM data because their source is the > same as these cards? > > I can't see why Beverley can't put a copyright statement on her site, in > the same way as surely the library has a similar statement. > > PC gone haywire again. I think we need to follow this up as a group. > > Beverley's transcriptions are a boon to us particularly those not in > Christchurch. > > > > > > > Regards, > Bryan > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This doesn't make sense. Is it a money grab - they've realised they can charge for it? A bit late now. I don't have many records in Chch after 1864 however I still check to make sure & that's many thanks to Bev. Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

After all your amazing work! So many of us have gained from your hours of work. Why after all these years it is now that you are no longer to transcribe from those cards. Who has made the decision? Who can we approach to try and have this decision reversed? Jenny

Hello Beverley, It is the format that is copyrighted not the data. They can copyright the images but you have transcribed the data. Keep it out there. http://www.iponz.govt.nz/cms/copyright If you delete that information from your site some of the pages are on wayback. If you have to take your pages down place all of them out on the wayback machine. Some of your pages are already out there. Wayback http://archive.org/web/ This page is available on the web! Help make the Wayback Machine more complete! Save this url in the Wayback Machine http://web.archive.org/web/20081025025944/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs.htmlhttp://web.archive.org/web/20140411130222/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/AIREY.AIRAY.BMD.Christchurch.City.Library.html http://web.archive.org/web/20130717194913/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/FITZSIMMONS.FITZSIMONS.Chch.Library.BMD.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140411130418/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/FFITCH.FITCH.Christchurch.Library.BMD.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140411130504/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/MORAN.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://web.archive.org/web/20140411130559/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/Odd.Surnames.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://web.archive.org/web/20130526120849/http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/PARKIN.PARKINS.Christchurch.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/AIREY.AIRAY.BMD.Christchurch.City.Library.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/FITZSIMMONS.FITZSIMONS.Chch.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/FFITCH.FITCH.Christchurch.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/MORAN.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/Odd.Surnames.Christchurch.City.Library.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Library.BMDs/PARKIN.PARKINS.Christchurch.Library.BMD.html From: Beverley <bevevans@ihug.co.nz> Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 21:35:26 -0700 Hello All I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish any of the Church Register card information on my web site. I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence I have been asked to remove this information from my web site. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ -- Beverley Evans http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers

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I'm with Cheryl on this one. It has taken the library too long to up and say something. Why have they not said anything before now. Michelle Cook On 10 April 2014 22:31, skut <skut@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Beverley > > Did they tell you who actually own the intellectual rights if so approach > them. I am behind you Beverley. > > Regards Cheryl > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beverley > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:35 PM > To: NZ Mailing List > Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please > read this > > Hello All > I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish > any of the Church Register card information on my web site. > I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property > rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence > I have been asked to remove this information from my web site. > > Beverley Evans > Christchurch NZ > > > -- > Beverley Evans > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ > transcriber of old newspapers > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3466 / Virus Database: 3722/7320 - Release Date: 04/09/14 > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Beverley Did they tell you who actually own the intellectual rights if so approach them. I am behind you Beverley. Regards Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 4:35 PM To: NZ Mailing List Subject: [nz] Church Register cards from Christchurch City Library - please read this Hello All I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish any of the Church Register card information on my web site. I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence I have been asked to remove this information from my web site. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ -- Beverley Evans http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3466 / Virus Database: 3722/7320 - Release Date: 04/09/14

Hello All I was in the library today and I have been asked to no longer publish any of the Church Register card information on my web site. I have been informed the library do not own the intellectual property rights to the Church register cards and as a consequence I have been asked to remove this information from my web site. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ -- Beverley Evans http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ transcriber of old newspapers --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello Beverley/all, This is illogical on the library’s part. Why are the cards in a public place, freely available to copy? The internet is a public place - in this case a specific genealogical source. I have cited these records on my website as well. Shall I remove them now? Should Internal Affairs remove its BDM data because their source is the same as these cards? I can’t see why Beverley can’t put a copyright statement on her site, in the same way as surely the library has a similar statement. PC gone haywire again. I think we need to follow this up as a group. Beverley’s transcriptions are a boon to us particularly those not in Christchurch. Regards, Bryan Sent from Windows Mail