Kae, there may be records of this land in the Maori Land Court Minute books. I don't know where you live, but Massey University at Palmerston North has a set of them - you'd need to go in to the library if you're not a student, but you'd be able to use them within the library. Jeanette > The Wellington office of Archives NZ has records from Lands & Survey > Wellington & LINZ, largely in the LINZ Register Room. There is a Research > Guide 10, "Land Wellington", though (unlike the first 8 guides) it is not > online on the Archives website. The Guide has a map of the Taranaki and > Wellington Land Districts on the back, covering the Wellington, Wairarapa, > Manawatu, Wanganui & Taranaki areas; however the guide just mentions > Wellington Land District records, so Taranaki Land District records may > not > be at Wellington. I have not done any searches myself > > For searching the Deeds Registration Systen, one of the following is > needed: > Certificate of Title record that refers to a Deeds Index entry, Legal > Description or Section Number (Appelation) of the land, or the name of a > historical registered owner. Some records (original deposited deeds) may > still be held by LINZ, and Archives has a duplicate set of some records > held > by LINZ (Section 116 certificates, from 1952). The Deeds System was > gradually replaced from 1870 by the Land Transfer System (compulsory from > 1924), though some land is still in the Deeds System. Archives has access > to > Quickmap for digitised plans. Quickmap can be used to go from the later > "Lot > x DP y" description to the original legal description. > > Yours, John Wilson > >>I have been following these discussions of old LINZ records avidly. Thanks >>to all those who have contributed. I am interested in Otaki records from >>the 1880s and 1890s. My great grandfather Robert Staveley was a solicitor >>there from late 1880s onwards and worked in the Maori Land Court, mostly >>representing Maoris. This was how he was able to obtain land in Otaki, >>directly from the Maori Land Courts. He had extensive holdings, mostly >>town >>plots and beachfront at Otaki. He still had most of it when he died in >>1931. As you can imagine there were no streets in those days, just a few >>cart tracks through the sand hills. But I have been told that in order to >>see my great grandfather's deeds I must know the street address AND house >>number. These I don't have. So I was wondering if anyone can tell me if >>it's possible for me to search a property deed as early as the 1880s when >>I >>only know the name of the owner: Staveley. Also does anyone know what has >>become of Otaki deeds, are they at Archives NZ in Wellington too? Thanks >>everyone. Kae Lewis >> > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Kae: The Wellington office of Archives NZ has records from Lands & Survey Wellington & LINZ, largely in the LINZ Register Room. There is a Research Guide 10, "Land Wellington", though (unlike the first 8 guides) it is not online on the Archives website. The Guide has a map of the Taranaki and Wellington Land Districts on the back, covering the Wellington, Wairarapa, Manawatu, Wanganui & Taranaki areas; however the guide just mentions Wellington Land District records, so Taranaki Land District records may not be at Wellington. I have not done any searches myself For searching the Deeds Registration Systen, one of the following is needed: Certificate of Title record that refers to a Deeds Index entry, Legal Description or Section Number (Appelation) of the land, or the name of a historical registered owner. Some records (original deposited deeds) may still be held by LINZ, and Archives has a duplicate set of some records held by LINZ (Section 116 certificates, from 1952). The Deeds System was gradually replaced from 1870 by the Land Transfer System (compulsory from 1924), though some land is still in the Deeds System. Archives has access to Quickmap for digitised plans. Quickmap can be used to go from the later "Lot x DP y" description to the original legal description. Yours, John Wilson >I have been following these discussions of old LINZ records avidly. Thanks >to all those who have contributed. I am interested in Otaki records from >the 1880s and 1890s. My great grandfather Robert Staveley was a solicitor >there from late 1880s onwards and worked in the Maori Land Court, mostly >representing Maoris. This was how he was able to obtain land in Otaki, >directly from the Maori Land Courts. He had extensive holdings, mostly town >plots and beachfront at Otaki. He still had most of it when he died in >1931. As you can imagine there were no streets in those days, just a few >cart tracks through the sand hills. But I have been told that in order to >see my great grandfather's deeds I must know the street address AND house >number. These I don't have. So I was wondering if anyone can tell me if >it's possible for me to search a property deed as early as the 1880s when I >only know the name of the owner: Staveley. Also does anyone know what has >become of Otaki deeds, are they at Archives NZ in Wellington too? Thanks >everyone. Kae Lewis >

Heather, in FamNet's General Resource Databases section there is a table of the WWI NZEF. There are 97603 records in this table, we believe that it is a complete list of the NZEF including some who were recruited overseas and so don't feature in Cenotaph. There are 4128 whose pictures have been published in Onward Vol 1 (the only one available so far) so you might find some of the people that you're looking for there: if so then you could contact the table owner, or visit your library, to get the actual picture. If there are any names that we're missing we'd love to know, and of course if anybody can supply photos for these soldiers Phil Beattie, who is publishing these books, would love to hear from you. The aim of the Onward project is to publish a photo of every WW1 soldier. Regards, Robert Barnes phone  +64-9-418 4415 mobile +64-27-459 2702 Skype: Robert.Barnes3 Address: 13A Havenwood Place, Birkenhead, Auckland 0626 www.jazzsoftware.co.nz www.famnet.net.nz www.robertb.co.nz -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bray Sent: Monday, 5 May 2014 3:55 p.m. To: 'new zealand' Subject: [nz] More soldiers photographs needed Thank you to the huge response to my last request for photographs of World War One and Two soldiers. Here are a few more. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful. Heather Bray ATTEWELL, Andrew Joseph George BAIN, Henry BARTON-BROWNE, Walter Raleigh BEGBIE, Cyril Walter BROWN, Alfred Errol CARDNO, George Alexander CARDNO, William R CURRIE, John CUTTLE, Joseph Alexander ELLIS, Clifford Arnold Watson HELLYER, James MCLEAN, John MORRIS, Thomas James MORRISON, John McCallum MUNN, Robert Russell PAISLEY, Andrew Keir PAISLEY, Harold PARSLOW, Harry Robertson PAUL, John Kilpatrick PEARSALL, Clifford PRINGLE, Francis Edwin QUIRK, William Anthony REEVES, Sydney Cecil Oliver RICHMOND, David Johnston SAGAR, Burford Stratton SIMPSON, James Joseph STEWART, George THOMSON, Lloyd C Jansen YORK, Irwin Thomas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather and Kevin Bray 28 Milburn Street Corstorphine Dunedin 9012 New Zealand kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to the huge response to my last request for photographs of World War One and Two soldiers. Here are a few more. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful. Heather Bray ATTEWELL, Andrew Joseph George BAIN, Henry BARTON-BROWNE, Walter Raleigh BEGBIE, Cyril Walter BROWN, Alfred Errol CARDNO, George Alexander CARDNO, William R CURRIE, John CUTTLE, Joseph Alexander ELLIS, Clifford Arnold Watson HELLYER, James MCLEAN, John MORRIS, Thomas James MORRISON, John McCallum MUNN, Robert Russell PAISLEY, Andrew Keir PAISLEY, Harold PARSLOW, Harry Robertson PAUL, John Kilpatrick PEARSALL, Clifford PRINGLE, Francis Edwin QUIRK, William Anthony REEVES, Sydney Cecil Oliver RICHMOND, David Johnston SAGAR, Burford Stratton SIMPSON, James Joseph STEWART, George THOMSON, Lloyd C Jansen YORK, Irwin Thomas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather and Kevin Bray 28 Milburn Street Corstorphine Dunedin 9012 New Zealand kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Heather, This link to newspaper photos may help you, Irwin Thomas York is on it. Others you want may be also. Cheer Bob http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?BU=http%3A%2F%2Fww w.aucklandcity.govt.nz%2Fdbtw-wpd%2FHeritageImages%2Findex.htm&AC=QBE_QUERY& TN=heritageimages&QF0=ID&NP=2&RF=HIORecordSearch&MR=5&QI0=%3D%22AWNS-1943082 5-20-8%22 -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Bray Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 1:55 PM To: 'new zealand' Subject: [nz] More soldiers photographs needed Thank you to the huge response to my last request for photographs of World War One and Two soldiers. Here are a few more. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful. Heather Bray ATTEWELL, Andrew Joseph George BAIN, Henry BARTON-BROWNE, Walter Raleigh BEGBIE, Cyril Walter BROWN, Alfred Errol CARDNO, George Alexander CARDNO, William R CURRIE, John CUTTLE, Joseph Alexander ELLIS, Clifford Arnold Watson HELLYER, James MCLEAN, John MORRIS, Thomas James MORRISON, John McCallum MUNN, Robert Russell PAISLEY, Andrew Keir PAISLEY, Harold PARSLOW, Harry Robertson PAUL, John Kilpatrick PEARSALL, Clifford PRINGLE, Francis Edwin QUIRK, William Anthony REEVES, Sydney Cecil Oliver RICHMOND, David Johnston SAGAR, Burford Stratton SIMPSON, James Joseph STEWART, George THOMSON, Lloyd C Jansen YORK, Irwin Thomas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Heather and Kevin Bray 28 Milburn Street Corstorphine Dunedin 9012 New Zealand kandh.bray@xtra.co.nz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Sandra and Allan for their replies. I now have the information I was after. Regards Judy Berntsen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ -----Original Message----- From: Valerie Watson Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 9:07 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] UK Birth Certificate Help0, how do I get a English Birth Certificate (forgotten, long time since getting one) The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

and you might have problems with the files seemingly taking forever to download. Just as with the WW1 military files Google Chrome will do the job. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:45 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records And also forgot to say that the first few pages of hits are for the deeds books which can't be viewed online. If you are doing 50 hits per page, then the registers you can view online start halfway down page 5 of the hits. peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:40 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records I forgot to give the reference for the Canterbury indexes. To see the online Canterbury indexes go to Archway http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ click ‘Advanced Search’ click ‘Find Records’ (the ‘go’ button) scroll down to the ‘Accession’ box and enter CH1032 The reference number to each volume in Accession 1032 at Archway I am confident refer to the number on the spine of each pysical volume according to a renumbering of volumes made by LINZ a few years ago. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:38 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Actually, lots of the old deeds registers and indexes at LINZ offices around NZ have been transferred to or will be transferred to Archives NZ offices. As far as I know, that's the plan for all of them eventually. I don't know about progress with the ones for Taranaki. For example we used to access the old Canterbury land indexes and registers at the former Lands & Survey office in Worcester Street Christchurch, then later, after the deeds and mapping sections of L & S were separated (these days they are LINZ and Terralink), they were housed in a dedicated old deeds room at the LINZ office on the third floor of Torrens House in Cashel Street. Westland land records were held in Hokitika, Nelson land records in Nelson, and Marlborough land records in Blenheim. Then a few years ago the Westland, Nelson and Marlborough registers were brought to Christchurch and housed beside the Canterbury registers in the old deeds room at Torrens House. Now all those registers have been transferred to Archives NZ in Peterborough Street, Christchurch. The good news is that the Canterbury land indexes have been scanned by Archives NZ and put online at Archway. The bad news is that deeds themselves haven't been scanned, you have to view those at the Archives NZ office in Peterborough Street. It's a clunky process to go through the old deeds indexes online. It is actually much easier to do it in person with the actual registers. Provided you can get your head around the old deeds system that is. It will take a newbie a day just to start getting used to them. And the registers are usually VERY BIG and VERY HEAVY volumes. For the uninitiated: There are various ways of getting at the desired land in the Canterbury indexes. 1. Land registers - If you have a description of the section (eg from the NZ Freeholders' Index) then you can look in the several land register volumes. the "A" register is Christchurch (within the four main avenues), The "C" registers are for rural sections outside Chch, and other registers are for other parts of canterbury (eg Timaru, Waimate, etc) which have their own letters. There are further subdivision registers, eg C/S 1, C/S 2, C/S 3, and so forth. The relevant page will show all the transactions concerning that section over the years. For example if you are looking for section C3578 then you look in the C registers for number 3578 - funnily enough they are in numerical order :)) 2. Nominal registers - several volumes - checking these for a person's name will give you numbers from the primary index to check. Doesn't necessarily have both parties to a transaction though, so you might not be able to find someone or the whole of their properties for that reason. The entries can refer to more than just land - could be mortgages for example 3. Primary index - several volumes - transactions were recorded in these as they were brought in for registration, and assigned a unique number - can check the primary index volumes page by page looking down both of parties columns looking for your party. A tedious process but a thorough one. Or if you have found relevant numbers via the nominal indexes than of course you can go straight to that number in the primary index. Funnily enough they are in numerical order. All sorts of transactions were recorded - deeds, leases, mortgages, conveyances, whatever. Be aware that a deed may be registered well after it was made, sometime years afterward. 4. Wills index - if land transactions involved a will then these deeds were indexed in wills registers. 5. BDM index registers - sometimes details of deaths and marriages etc were part of the deed because they were important evidence for the transaction. Unlike the official NZ BDMs they don't cost. What you will end up with is various informations about a transaction, eg a description of the land involved (which you can use to find the section in the land registers) and references to further indexes or deeds. eg 22D154 or 22/154 will mean look at folio (page) number 154 in deeds register number 22 for the transaction. An actual deed in a register will probably have an annotation as to where to find the next deed in the series. The deeds themselves are what you want to get at mostly, but the land indexes and primary index provide a bigger picture and lead you to other deeds concerning the section in question. Each deed has a plan of the section in it. There are often valuable genealogical hints about parties in deeds which makes them worth finding for that reason alone. Peter -----Original Message----- From: bill girling Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:19 AM To: dennischandler ; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Those old land records have for many years been at LINZ in Hamilton.I may stand corrected, I have heard that they are no longer available to the public. If so, you will need to have staff search for you. No doubt they will charge. NZSG may be able to help you with t hat aswell. 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And also forgot to say that the first few pages of hits are for the deeds books which can't be viewed online. If you are doing 50 hits per page, then the registers you can view online start halfway down page 5 of the hits. peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 8:40 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records I forgot to give the reference for the Canterbury indexes. To see the online Canterbury indexes go to Archway http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ click ‘Advanced Search’ click ‘Find Records’ (the ‘go’ button) scroll down to the ‘Accession’ box and enter CH1032 The reference number to each volume in Accession 1032 at Archway I am confident refer to the number on the spine of each pysical volume according to a renumbering of volumes made by LINZ a few years ago. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:38 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Actually, lots of the old deeds registers and indexes at LINZ offices around NZ have been transferred to or will be transferred to Archives NZ offices. As far as I know, that's the plan for all of them eventually. I don't know about progress with the ones for Taranaki. For example we used to access the old Canterbury land indexes and registers at the former Lands & Survey office in Worcester Street Christchurch, then later, after the deeds and mapping sections of L & S were separated (these days they are LINZ and Terralink), they were housed in a dedicated old deeds room at the LINZ office on the third floor of Torrens House in Cashel Street. Westland land records were held in Hokitika, Nelson land records in Nelson, and Marlborough land records in Blenheim. Then a few years ago the Westland, Nelson and Marlborough registers were brought to Christchurch and housed beside the Canterbury registers in the old deeds room at Torrens House. Now all those registers have been transferred to Archives NZ in Peterborough Street, Christchurch. The good news is that the Canterbury land indexes have been scanned by Archives NZ and put online at Archway. The bad news is that deeds themselves haven't been scanned, you have to view those at the Archives NZ office in Peterborough Street. It's a clunky process to go through the old deeds indexes online. It is actually much easier to do it in person with the actual registers. Provided you can get your head around the old deeds system that is. It will take a newbie a day just to start getting used to them. And the registers are usually VERY BIG and VERY HEAVY volumes. For the uninitiated: There are various ways of getting at the desired land in the Canterbury indexes. 1. Land registers - If you have a description of the section (eg from the NZ Freeholders' Index) then you can look in the several land register volumes. the "A" register is Christchurch (within the four main avenues), The "C" registers are for rural sections outside Chch, and other registers are for other parts of canterbury (eg Timaru, Waimate, etc) which have their own letters. There are further subdivision registers, eg C/S 1, C/S 2, C/S 3, and so forth. The relevant page will show all the transactions concerning that section over the years. For example if you are looking for section C3578 then you look in the C registers for number 3578 - funnily enough they are in numerical order :)) 2. Nominal registers - several volumes - checking these for a person's name will give you numbers from the primary index to check. Doesn't necessarily have both parties to a transaction though, so you might not be able to find someone or the whole of their properties for that reason. The entries can refer to more than just land - could be mortgages for example 3. Primary index - several volumes - transactions were recorded in these as they were brought in for registration, and assigned a unique number - can check the primary index volumes page by page looking down both of parties columns looking for your party. A tedious process but a thorough one. Or if you have found relevant numbers via the nominal indexes than of course you can go straight to that number in the primary index. Funnily enough they are in numerical order. All sorts of transactions were recorded - deeds, leases, mortgages, conveyances, whatever. Be aware that a deed may be registered well after it was made, sometime years afterward. 4. Wills index - if land transactions involved a will then these deeds were indexed in wills registers. 5. BDM index registers - sometimes details of deaths and marriages etc were part of the deed because they were important evidence for the transaction. Unlike the official NZ BDMs they don't cost. What you will end up with is various informations about a transaction, eg a description of the land involved (which you can use to find the section in the land registers) and references to further indexes or deeds. eg 22D154 or 22/154 will mean look at folio (page) number 154 in deeds register number 22 for the transaction. An actual deed in a register will probably have an annotation as to where to find the next deed in the series. The deeds themselves are what you want to get at mostly, but the land indexes and primary index provide a bigger picture and lead you to other deeds concerning the section in question. Each deed has a plan of the section in it. There are often valuable genealogical hints about parties in deeds which makes them worth finding for that reason alone. Peter -----Original Message----- From: bill girling Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:19 AM To: dennischandler ; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Those old land records have for many years been at LINZ in Hamilton.I may stand corrected, I have heard that they are no longer available to the public. If so, you will need to have staff search for you. No doubt they will charge. NZSG may be able to help you with t hat aswell. 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I forgot to give the reference for the Canterbury indexes. To see the online Canterbury indexes go to Archway http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ click ‘Advanced Search’ click ‘Find Records’ (the ‘go’ button) scroll down to the ‘Accession’ box and enter CH1032 The reference number to each volume in Accession 1032 at Archway I am confident refer to the number on the spine of each pysical volume according to a renumbering of volumes made by LINZ a few years ago. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 1:38 AM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Actually, lots of the old deeds registers and indexes at LINZ offices around NZ have been transferred to or will be transferred to Archives NZ offices. As far as I know, that's the plan for all of them eventually. I don't know about progress with the ones for Taranaki. For example we used to access the old Canterbury land indexes and registers at the former Lands & Survey office in Worcester Street Christchurch, then later, after the deeds and mapping sections of L & S were separated (these days they are LINZ and Terralink), they were housed in a dedicated old deeds room at the LINZ office on the third floor of Torrens House in Cashel Street. Westland land records were held in Hokitika, Nelson land records in Nelson, and Marlborough land records in Blenheim. Then a few years ago the Westland, Nelson and Marlborough registers were brought to Christchurch and housed beside the Canterbury registers in the old deeds room at Torrens House. Now all those registers have been transferred to Archives NZ in Peterborough Street, Christchurch. The good news is that the Canterbury land indexes have been scanned by Archives NZ and put online at Archway. The bad news is that deeds themselves haven't been scanned, you have to view those at the Archives NZ office in Peterborough Street. It's a clunky process to go through the old deeds indexes online. It is actually much easier to do it in person with the actual registers. Provided you can get your head around the old deeds system that is. It will take a newbie a day just to start getting used to them. And the registers are usually VERY BIG and VERY HEAVY volumes. For the uninitiated: There are various ways of getting at the desired land in the Canterbury indexes. 1. Land registers - If you have a description of the section (eg from the NZ Freeholders' Index) then you can look in the several land register volumes. the "A" register is Christchurch (within the four main avenues), The "C" registers are for rural sections outside Chch, and other registers are for other parts of canterbury (eg Timaru, Waimate, etc) which have their own letters. There are further subdivision registers, eg C/S 1, C/S 2, C/S 3, and so forth. The relevant page will show all the transactions concerning that section over the years. For example if you are looking for section C3578 then you look in the C registers for number 3578 - funnily enough they are in numerical order :)) 2. Nominal registers - several volumes - checking these for a person's name will give you numbers from the primary index to check. Doesn't necessarily have both parties to a transaction though, so you might not be able to find someone or the whole of their properties for that reason. The entries can refer to more than just land - could be mortgages for example 3. Primary index - several volumes - transactions were recorded in these as they were brought in for registration, and assigned a unique number - can check the primary index volumes page by page looking down both of parties columns looking for your party. A tedious process but a thorough one. Or if you have found relevant numbers via the nominal indexes than of course you can go straight to that number in the primary index. Funnily enough they are in numerical order. All sorts of transactions were recorded - deeds, leases, mortgages, conveyances, whatever. Be aware that a deed may be registered well after it was made, sometime years afterward. 4. Wills index - if land transactions involved a will then these deeds were indexed in wills registers. 5. BDM index registers - sometimes details of deaths and marriages etc were part of the deed because they were important evidence for the transaction. Unlike the official NZ BDMs they don't cost. What you will end up with is various informations about a transaction, eg a description of the land involved (which you can use to find the section in the land registers) and references to further indexes or deeds. eg 22D154 or 22/154 will mean look at folio (page) number 154 in deeds register number 22 for the transaction. An actual deed in a register will probably have an annotation as to where to find the next deed in the series. The deeds themselves are what you want to get at mostly, but the land indexes and primary index provide a bigger picture and lead you to other deeds concerning the section in question. Each deed has a plan of the section in it. There are often valuable genealogical hints about parties in deeds which makes them worth finding for that reason alone. Peter -----Original Message----- From: bill girling Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:19 AM To: dennischandler ; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Those old land records have for many years been at LINZ in Hamilton.I may stand corrected, I have heard that they are no longer available to the public. If so, you will need to have staff search for you. No doubt they will charge. NZSG may be able to help you with t hat aswell. 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Actually, lots of the old deeds registers and indexes at LINZ offices around NZ have been transferred to or will be transferred to Archives NZ offices. As far as I know, that's the plan for all of them eventually. I don't know about progress with the ones for Taranaki. For example we used to access the old Canterbury land indexes and registers at the former Lands & Survey office in Worcester Street Christchurch, then later, after the deeds and mapping sections of L & S were separated (these days they are LINZ and Terralink), they were housed in a dedicated old deeds room at the LINZ office on the third floor of Torrens House in Cashel Street. Westland land records were held in Hokitika, Nelson land records in Nelson, and Marlborough land records in Blenheim. Then a few years ago the Westland, Nelson and Marlborough registers were brought to Christchurch and housed beside the Canterbury registers in the old deeds room at Torrens House. Now all those registers have been transferred to Archives NZ in Peterborough Street, Christchurch. The good news is that the Canterbury land indexes have been scanned by Archives NZ and put online at Archway. The bad news is that deeds themselves haven't been scanned, you have to view those at the Archives NZ office in Peterborough Street. It's a clunky process to go through the old deeds indexes online. It is actually much easier to do it in person with the actual registers. Provided you can get your head around the old deeds system that is. It will take a newbie a day just to start getting used to them. And the registers are usually VERY BIG and VERY HEAVY volumes. For the uninitiated: There are various ways of getting at the desired land in the Canterbury indexes. 1. Land registers - If you have a description of the section (eg from the NZ Freeholders' Index) then you can look in the several land register volumes. the "A" register is Christchurch (within the four main avenues), The "C" registers are for rural sections outside Chch, and other registers are for other parts of canterbury (eg Timaru, Waimate, etc) which have their own letters. There are further subdivision registers, eg C/S 1, C/S 2, C/S 3, and so forth. The relevant page will show all the transactions concerning that section over the years. For example if you are looking for section C3578 then you look in the C registers for number 3578 - funnily enough they are in numerical order :)) 2. Nominal registers - several volumes - checking these for a person's name will give you numbers from the primary index to check. Doesn't necessarily have both parties to a transaction though, so you might not be able to find someone or the whole of their properties for that reason. The entries can refer to more than just land - could be mortgages for example 3. Primary index - several volumes - transactions were recorded in these as they were brought in for registration, and assigned a unique number - can check the primary index volumes page by page looking down both of parties columns looking for your party. A tedious process but a thorough one. Or if you have found relevant numbers via the nominal indexes than of course you can go straight to that number in the primary index. Funnily enough they are in numerical order. All sorts of transactions were recorded - deeds, leases, mortgages, conveyances, whatever. Be aware that a deed may be registered well after it was made, sometime years afterward. 4. Wills index - if land transactions involved a will then these deeds were indexed in wills registers. 5. BDM index registers - sometimes details of deaths and marriages etc were part of the deed because they were important evidence for the transaction. Unlike the official NZ BDMs they don't cost. What you will end up with is various informations about a transaction, eg a description of the land involved (which you can use to find the section in the land registers) and references to further indexes or deeds. eg 22D154 or 22/154 will mean look at folio (page) number 154 in deeds register number 22 for the transaction. An actual deed in a register will probably have an annotation as to where to find the next deed in the series. The deeds themselves are what you want to get at mostly, but the land indexes and primary index provide a bigger picture and lead you to other deeds concerning the section in question. Each deed has a plan of the section in it. There are often valuable genealogical hints about parties in deeds which makes them worth finding for that reason alone. Peter -----Original Message----- From: bill girling Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 10:19 AM To: dennischandler ; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] taranaki land records Those old land records have for many years been at LINZ in Hamilton.I may stand corrected, I have heard that they are no longer available to the public. If so, you will need to have staff search for you. No doubt they will charge. NZSG may be able to help you with t hat aswell. Happy hunting Bill The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been following these discussions of old LINZ records avidly. Thanks to all those who have contributed. I am interested in Otaki records from the 1880s and 1890s. My great grandfather Robert Staveley was a solicitor there from late 1880s onwards and worked in the Maori Land Court, mostly representing Maoris. This was how he was able to obtain land in Otaki, directly from the Maori Land Courts. He had extensive holdings, mostly town plots and beachfront at Otaki. He still had most of it when he died in 1931. As you can imagine there were no streets in those days, just a few cart tracks through the sand hills. But I have been told that in order to see my great grandfather's deeds I must know the street address AND house number. These I don't have. So I was wondering if anyone can tell me if it's possible for me to search a property deed as early as the 1880s when I only know the name of the owner: Staveley. Also does anyone know what has become of Otaki deeds, are they ! at Archives NZ in Wellington too? Thanks everyone. Kae Lewis

Hi Valerie You may find this helpful <http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html> (from freebmd homepage under information) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/05/2014 22:07, Valerie Watson wrote: > Help0, how do I get a English Birth Certificate (forgotten, long time since getting one)

Here she is under Hamilton City Council site Nola Athea LYNDS 88 Female 08/07/2013 Born: Cremated: 12/07/2013 Type: Cremation Funeral Director: Grinter Funeral Services Last Address: Raeburn Resthome, Burns St, Cambridge Location: Hamilton Park Cemetery Allan -----Original Message----- From: Judy Berntsen Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 9:55 PM To: New Zealand List Subject: [nz] DEATH NOTICE WAIKATO TIMES If anyone has extracts from the Waikato Times Death notices, do they have one for a Nola Althea Lynds, who died in Cambridge. The notice was put in the paper on 10 July 2013. I would like to know if she was buried or cremated, and if buried what Cemetery please. Many thanks for any help. Regards Judy Berntsen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4570 / Virus Database: 3931/7437 - Release Date: 05/03/14

If anyone has extracts from the Waikato Times Death notices, do they have one for a Nola Althea Lynds, who died in Cambridge. The notice was put in the paper on 10 July 2013. I would like to know if she was buried or cremated, and if buried what Cemetery please. Many thanks for any help. Regards Judy Berntsen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Judy Cambridge comes under Waipa District Council Cemetery Database. Here is the info your requested. http://rid.waipadc.govt.nz/cemetery/cemetery_record_view.php?id=290744 Hautapu is a small country town near Cambridge. Regards Sandra Melbourne, Vi (ex Kiwi) -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy Berntsen Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2014 7:55 p.m. To: New Zealand List Subject: [nz] DEATH NOTICE WAIKATO TIMES If anyone has extracts from the Waikato Times Death notices, do they have one for a Nola Althea Lynds, who died in Cambridge. The notice was put in the paper on 10 July 2013. I would like to know if she was buried or cremated, and if buried what Cemetery please. Many thanks for any help. Regards Judy Berntsen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could Diane Wilson contact me off site please. Don't know her email address. Many thanks. Judy Berntsen --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Sue The Archives seem to be scanning some at a low resolution as you have struck but I have found to date that the majority of files have been scanned at a very acceptable high resolution. I have downloaded to date around 50 files in jpg format and amongst those there is only 2 that are of low resolution. I wrote to the Archives last week suggesting that these be rescanned as it was really not acceptable for archival purposes - I have yet to hear back. I would suggest that others who encounter the same issue also send them an email with the name of the file and hopefully if enough of us do so we will get some action. Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: Sue Greene Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2014 12:07 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Re Military files at Archives I was after one of the WW1 military files. The info. given in an earlier list is OK if the file is in a PDF format however the file I wanted has been scanned as a JPEG and has been scanned at a very low resolution. The only way I have found to get around this is as follows. Bring up the view to view each page on Archives web site, on the right top there is a magnifier, click to enlarge the page you will need to view the top part of the page first, then use a screen shot to take a snapshot of the top of the page. I use greenshot which is free to download this lets you save in different formats. I have found PMB the best. Copy then past into word. Then go back and enlarge the middle of the page take snap shot past into word then go back and take a snap shot of the bottom of the page. Once you have the three shots in word you can manipulate the screen shots join them together then save as a PDF. This is how I managed to get one full page so I could print it and read it. If you have a good photo editing programme you can stitch the bits together but I found it easier using word. Some pages may only take two screen shots. The file I needed had 19 pages but there were some pages that were blank. It's slow and takes a while to do at least I was able to read the files print them off and work out what I needed. Cheers Sue The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Help0, how do I get a English Birth Certificate (forgotten, long time since getting one)

I was after one of the WW1 military files. The info. given in an earlier list is OK if the file is in a PDF format however the file I wanted has been scanned as a JPEG and has been scanned at a very low resolution. The only way I have found to get around this is as follows. Bring up the view to view each page on Archives web site, on the right top there is a magnifier, click to enlarge the page you will need to view the top part of the page first, then use a screen shot to take a snapshot of the top of the page. I use greenshot which is free to download this lets you save in different formats. I have found PMB the best. Copy then past into word. Then go back and enlarge the middle of the page take snap shot past into word then go back and take a snap shot of the bottom of the page. Once you have the three shots in word you can manipulate the screen shots join them together then save as a PDF. This is how I managed to get one full page so I could print it and read it. If you have a good photo editing programme you can stitch the bits together but I found it easier using word. Some pages may only take two screen shots. The file I needed had 19 pages but there were some pages that were blank. It's slow and takes a while to do at least I was able to read the files print them off and work out what I needed. Cheers Sue