May I just concur with Nivard......well said and totally true. There are some Ancestry Trees and others, where the Owner has been prepared to share original sources, i.e. certificates, photographs, diaries etc., the proof is given, the other bland sites are nothing more than a guide to who owns the site, who they're interested in and they too are probably hoping to get further genuine information from others to help their cause. Some however, just cut and paste from anywhere and that's part of the "game" for some. They probably don't want to know what the word "Genealogy" means in its purest sense. An investigation of Pedigrees; An account of descent from ancestor by enumeration of intermediate persons, pedigree, that would be too complicated. I too have seen some of my data repeated on a couple of Family Trees, I wrote to the known owners, having given details of my own research to them or their relatives beforehand confidentially I thought, asked them to remove it and not to put anything of mine onto their sites unless I'd given approval.....I explained my reasons, they were obliging and although there is still one person with some of my research (unproven), it is not listed as conclusive, just suggestive and basically, anonymous...... So two grains of salt with anything that is unproven....that's the rule. We are human, we get excited when we find a familiar name whilst we're searching, even more so when we find someone else with the same name, but that's just the beginning of the story, not an outcome to our own research. Be ever so careful, these sites are wonderful, but one needs to be so careful and take nothing for granted.... Off my box:-)) Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, 3 June 2014 6:02 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] errors ancestry com and other sites Hi Jacqui Are you sure that the data you are finding in other peoples trees is uplifted from your posts to lists? Isn't it far more likely they are just coming to the same assumptions that you did, only they haven't followed it through I find it a little hard to believe that someone is computer literate enough to find your post and yet doesn't realise its a question which needs more work done on it The answer re the earlier posts would be to have posted the corrected conclusion once established I do not know of any online tree site that mandates a source for the information added, it would not be in their favour generally as it would put some people off and the site owners would not want that As far as I can see there are only two courses of action Either don't put anything online, or post the correct verified information with sources, at least then the information copied would be solid data Some though, appear to me to think the source is their property so don't add it False genealogy is not a modern concept, its gone on as long as man has walked the earth, I don't see it ending any time soon All we can do is make our own research as accurate as we can Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This lack of sourcing material on Ancestry is something which really irritates me. Recently I had contact with 4th cousins in Canada, which quite excited me until I looked at their tree on Ancestry. I was very surprised to find that comments had been added which were directly lifted from my website on that line of the family, and not acknowledged. This information and my comments come from primary research which could be done only in person in Ireland and had taken me many years and several trips there to accumulate, yet it was posted as the comments of the tree 'owner' - even though it is word for word my own work. I challenged the cousin who maintained that he had taken the comments from another tree on Ancestry but this is a straight out porky as it is an unusual name and there are no other trees on Ancestry for it. To me this is plain theft/dishonesty, and at the very least a lack of courtesy to the original researcher. A simple acknowledgment of the website where he found the information would be all I ask. I doubt that Ancestry has any facility to remove such material and perhaps wouldn't even want to do so. Just one of the joys of the internet I guess but very disappointing, especially as I have now ceased corresponding with that branch of the family. Regards, Patsy On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Jacqui Gee <geejacqui@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Like many others I tread carefully on Ancestry.Com and do not accept > anything as fact until I am able to validate or verify the information from > original documents and/or source, and establish a link as to how the > information got onto Ancestry.Com in the first place. As I do with any > "discoveries" made during my genealogy "detective" searches. > > Amazingly I am increasingly finding information that I have posted on > various rootsweb lists popping up as fact on Ancestry.Com and other > pay-to-view or free genealogy sites. For example, when making initial > queries and requests on rootsweb lists for assistance I have made reference > to various names, events, relationships, places, dates etc. that at the > time > of posting I thought were correct. Some of this information I have then > found to be incorrect as a consequence of assistance from other listers and > my further verified research into my family heritage. This is part of the > process of genealogical discovery, and a frequent occurrence when in > parishes of Scotland have many persons with the same surname and first > names > across generations. However, I have not placed the corrected information > for my family to the rootsweb list or as a reply to my original posting. > Like many others I have acknowledged to a list that a response to a quest > for help has been given, and thanked persons for their assistance. > > Unfortunately information on my original query to a rootsweb list, often > made some years ago, seems to have been uplifted and placed on Ancestry.Com > and pay-to-view or free sites as parts of publically listed family trees or > stand-alone information. No reference is made by these sites to the source > of the information or any disclaimer made to the accuracy of the > information. The problem I then have is that I cannot remove or correct > this incorrect information on these sites as I am not the user of the site > who placed it there, and in most cases the user cannot be contacted because > of the way the site is set up. In some cases I also do not want to pay a > subscription to join a site just to correct the information or access the > person responsible for placing it there. > > Thankfully my email address is given on my rootsweb postings to lists over > the years when another distant relative "goggles" a name in their quest for > discovering their heritage. Thankfully I still have the same email > address. > Once they have made contact with me I am able to provide corrections and > up-to-date information, as well as, establish links to new information on > family to explore. Alternatively they have made a query to the list that I > have posted information to in the past, and I have been able to make > contact > with them. Of course, the reciprocal applies when it is me "goggling" a > name. It is disappointing that those persons responsible for uplifting > incorrect information from my rootsweb listings have not done likewise. > > Jacqui Gee > Dunedin, New Zealand > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Like many others I tread carefully on Ancestry.Com and do not accept anything as fact until I am able to validate or verify the information from original documents and/or source, and establish a link as to how the information got onto Ancestry.Com in the first place. As I do with any "discoveries" made during my genealogy "detective" searches. Amazingly I am increasingly finding information that I have posted on various rootsweb lists popping up as fact on Ancestry.Com and other pay-to-view or free genealogy sites. For example, when making initial queries and requests on rootsweb lists for assistance I have made reference to various names, events, relationships, places, dates etc. that at the time of posting I thought were correct. Some of this information I have then found to be incorrect as a consequence of assistance from other listers and my further verified research into my family heritage. This is part of the process of genealogical discovery, and a frequent occurrence when in parishes of Scotland have many persons with the same surname and first names across generations. However, I have not placed the corrected information for my family to the rootsweb list or as a reply to my original posting. Like many others I have acknowledged to a list that a response to a quest for help has been given, and thanked persons for their assistance. Unfortunately information on my original query to a rootsweb list, often made some years ago, seems to have been uplifted and placed on Ancestry.Com and pay-to-view or free sites as parts of publically listed family trees or stand-alone information. No reference is made by these sites to the source of the information or any disclaimer made to the accuracy of the information. The problem I then have is that I cannot remove or correct this incorrect information on these sites as I am not the user of the site who placed it there, and in most cases the user cannot be contacted because of the way the site is set up. In some cases I also do not want to pay a subscription to join a site just to correct the information or access the person responsible for placing it there. Thankfully my email address is given on my rootsweb postings to lists over the years when another distant relative "goggles" a name in their quest for discovering their heritage. Thankfully I still have the same email address. Once they have made contact with me I am able to provide corrections and up-to-date information, as well as, establish links to new information on family to explore. Alternatively they have made a query to the list that I have posted information to in the past, and I have been able to make contact with them. Of course, the reciprocal applies when it is me "goggling" a name. It is disappointing that those persons responsible for uplifting incorrect information from my rootsweb listings have not done likewise. Jacqui Gee Dunedin, New Zealand

Hi folks, I'm on a Tasmanian genealogy site as well as several others in Britain,, India and Australia. My mother was born in Queenstown where her Tasmanian father and Kiwi mother were married and had six children (prior to Mum's birth) her mother was of Sussex stock - the father a half Tasmanian aboriginal with a mixture of English whaler/sealer and the daughter of one of the prominent Tasmanian aboriginal elders - Dolly Dalrymple Briggs (By the way) a cousin of Dolly's became a pastor in South Australia and was the first aboriginal Australian to be appointed a State Governor (Sir Douglas Nichols of South Australia) One of the Tasmanian descendants of the same aboriginal/white sealer is married to a member of the Australian Defence Force - one of HIS past times was to set up a family tree for his wife and post it on his website. I found this site and read through the information and discovered that my mother and her siblings were the product of a Maori mother and an European!!!!! Not so at all - BUT her mother had married a descendant of Dolly Dalrymple (making him about a 1/4 caste aboriginal. and they had six children while he was in NZ chasing after the elusive gold dust in the Queenstown area. Even though I wrote to this Aust. soldier proving that my mother's maternal AND paternal grandparents had migrated to Australia from Sussex after their son had paved the way out to OZ (rather than have the authorities send him to VDL in chains!!!) he still has not made any amendments to his website. That recommendation of proving, without doubt, that all the information we post to the internet must be thoroughly checked to make sure it's accurate, cannot be ignored AND more importantly, we need to be verifying the information so we're not just adding more false leads for others to 'presume' has been properly researched! Cheers Ainslie. ps sorry for the length of the post!

This is for people researching Richard WARNER abt 1819-1873 & Eliza WRIGHT (1820-1865). They arrived at Nelson with a young son on the ship OLYMPUS in 1842 and had 11 more children at Nelson. It is becoming increasingly likely that Richard was known as VOLLER as well as WARNER back in Sussex England. Why, I don't know yet Further arrivals at Nelson on the ship THOMAS SPARKS were Abraham VOLLER (abt 180401875) & Elizabeth JONES (abt 1811-1873) and their three daughters Elizabeth (Betsy) (1827-1861), Mary Ann (1830) and Jane (1834). Both Richard WARNER and Abraham VOLLER set out for New Zealand from Ore, Sussex (on the outskirts of Hastings) and both escaped the Wairau massacre in 1843. The story goes that when Eliza WRIGHT died far too early at Nelson in 1865, in only her mid-forties, her two youngest children, Abraham WARNER (bo1859-1938) & Martha WARNER (1863-1947), were raised out of the family. Martha was adopted by people called O'LOUGHLIN living at Richmond. The information given in the registrations for Abraham WARNER's marriage and death is that his father was Richard WARNER and his mother was Mary DOUGLAS, yet his mother was definitely Eliza WRIGHT. Richard WARNER did not marry again. It is likely that Mary DOUGLAS was Mary Ann VOLLER (born 1830) the daughter of Abraham VOLLER & Elizabeth JONES. Mary married James MARSH but had lots of issue to Hugh DOUGLAS. Back in Sussex Abraham VOLLER married Elizabeth JONES at Ore parish in 1827. A curious thing is that for the baptisms of of each of their three daughters at Ore parish in 1827, in 1830 and 1837, i.e. over quite a lengthy period, Abraham was known as Abraham WARNER. Richard WARNER was the son of Joseph & Elizabeth WARNER who in the 1841 census lived in the All Saints part of Hastings with another son Robert WARNER. Robert's brother Richard WARNER had recently married Eliza WRIGHT and they resided at Ore in the household of Eliza's parents in 1841, James & Elizabeth WRIGHT. Joseph WARNER died 1851 in the workhouse at Ore and his wife Elizabeth also died 1851, both after the 1851 census. The informant for the death of Elizabeth was Sarah Ann VOLLER of Ore, present at the death. I wondered for some years who Sarah Ann was, until I realised that she must be Sarah Ann FOORD who married Robert VOLLER at Ore in 1843. This couple is in the 1851 census as WARNER. The implication is of course that Robert VOLLER and Richard WARNER are one and the same. 30 Mar 1851 Census England & Wales @ The Down, Ore, Sussex Robert WARNER Head Marr 30 Ag. Lab b. Hastings Sarah Ann WARNER Wife Marr 28 b. Battle Harriet WARNER Dau 07 Scholar b. Ore Maria WARNER Dau 01 b. Ore That was the point I reached a few years ago regarding the WARNER versus VOLLER thing. Then I discovered that Eliza WRIGHT's brother, William WRIGHT, was transported to Van Dieman's Land on the ship MOFFAT. In records at the Tasmania end William gives a description of the the crimes of which he was convicted. He got 7 years for stealing a pair of trousers and seven years for stealing "my sister's watch," making a 14 year sentence altogether. While a prisoner he suffered various punishments for misdemeanours such absconding, stealing soap which was the property of her Majesty, and so forth, the worst of which was 100 lashes. There were lesser numbers of lashes and solitary confinement as well. Eventually he gave no more reasons to punish him and after a few years was pardoned in 1852 roughly ten years after he was first sentenced in 1842 at the Lewes assizes. The last I have found of him is on a ship called the LADYBIRD going from Launceston to Melbourne in 1842. Information at the Tasmania end gives William's birthplace as "Elsham nr Lewes." There is no Elsham near Lewes - I checked with the county record office at Lewes to make sure. Elsham will be Hailsham parish with the 'H' dropped. Hailsham is where James WRIGHT & family lived at the baptism of son Aaron in 1829 before moving to Ore where their youngest child Amelia was baptised in 1831. Daughter Eliza's baptism in 1828 at Hailsham parish specifically states that she was born 01/01/1820. The family was arrested on the common at Hailsham in 1820 when Eliza was 3 months old and taken to the House of Correction at Lewes. After a week the family was returned to Hailsham via a removal order based on a settlement examination which determined that the parish of settlement was Hailsham. The removal order gives the family structure in 1820 with William age 4. Information at the Australian end gives sister Elizabeth Hannah's birthplace variously as Leisham or Elsham, but I am sure that Hailsham was meant. James the father was the son of Edward & Elizabeth WRIGHT who were travellers, with Edward likely to be the son of Adam & Jane WRIGHT who were travellers, possibly from Ireland. There were plenty of Romany travellers in East Sussex and a couple of the WRIGHT's married into them, James' sister Maria WRIGHT who married Mark RIPLEY. William WRIGHT was convicted 3rd Jan 1842 at the Lewes assizes. To which sister did the stolen watch belong? The candidates are Elizabeth Hannah WRIGHT who married Henry HEAD at Ore in 1832 and went to Australia in 1841 arriving Jan 1842 (i.e. she was at sea when the watch was stolen on 9 Dec 1841), Eliza WRIGHT who married Richard WARNER at Ore 13 March 1841, and Amelia WRIGHT who was aged only 10 when the watch was stolen (married Edward CRUMP in 1854). There were other sisters - Charlotte, Mary Eleanor (Ellen), and Diana - but they were deceased well before the watch was stolen. The weekend before last I was contacted by a descendant of Edward WRIGHT. Edward WRIGHT was a brother to James WRIGHT the father of Eliza WRIGHT. The descendant has been researching for only two years but he is handily located at Croyden and recently retired, and he's getting into his genealogy boots and all. Another researcher sent him some indexes re Sussex genealogy, one of which was an index to victims of crime. According to the index the watch stolen by William WRIGHT belonged to R. VOLLER. Another index of a similar nature but with extra details tells us that the crime was committed on 9 Dec 1841 at Ore and the watch belonged to Richard VOLLER. And now I have discovered a couple of newspaper articles regarding the crime at the British newspapers website, with similar information and the names of the members of the jury. William pleaded not guilty. Now, in Tasmania, William stated that he stole his sister's watch, not Richard VOLLER's watch. The only way I can resolve this is via the WARNER versus VOLLER thing. I'm assuming that Richard VOLLER is actually Richard WARNER the husband of Eliza WRIGHT!!! Under the property laws of the time perhaps Eliza's watch was regarded legally as the property of her husband Richard. Unfortunately Richard WARNER aka VOLLER's parents, Joseph & Elizabeth WARNER, are a brick wall for me as I can't find them in the 1851 census to see their birthplaces. I've looked for both WARNER and VOLLER and variants including WELLER which is how Abraham VOLLER and family appear in the 1841 census. Joseph & Elizabeth have to be in the 1851 census because they died after it...but I just can't find them. They are in All Saints, Hastings in the 1841 census described as not born in the parish. Kent? Hampshire? Surrey? London? Abraham VOLLER (21) and his sister Ann VOLLER (12) were subject to a removal order from Winchelsea parish in Sussex to Titchfield parish in Hampshire in 1825. It is possible that Abraham VOLLER was baptised at Widley parish Hampshire 30 Sep 1804 to John &Eliz. VOLLER( IGI ). I've had a look for a possible baptism or a marriage for Richard WARNER but haven't come up with anything likely yet. In Nelson, Abraham VOLLER was known as Jerry VOLLER. Here's an amusing piece about him from Papers Past. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Marlborough Express, Volume XXI, Issue 86, 18 April 1885, Page 2 LOCAL AND GENERAL NEWS. A Reminiscence. — A correspondent of the Colonist writes : — In 1855, the good people of Nelson were in a high state of excitement regarding the war that was then raging between England and Russia, and every day we were expecting to receive a visit from a Russian warship. One fine morning the flagstaff at the signal station was covered with flags, which threw the Nelsonians into a great state of excitement, for they could not imagine what the display of bunting meant. On Pilot CROSS proceeding to the signal station, he found poor old Jerry VOLLER in a high state of excitement, which had been greatly increased by the strength of the famous Nelson brewed malt liquors. On inquiring what was up, Jerry replied — " It's all up with us, the Russians have come." Shortly after the Provincial Council met, and as as often customary in those days, they were seized with a fit of retrenchment, but the only saving effected was to take sixpence a day off Jerry's salary. I do not know whether his method of announcing the supposed visit of the Russians had anything to do with making the Councillors dock poor Jerry's screw. However, he was the only victim on that occasion. — Old Resident. VOLLER researchers will know of the circumstances regarding Jerry VOLLER's death and found some items about it at Papers Past, but maybe they haven't seen this bit from Trove: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8942292 The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954), Monday 10 January 1876, Page 3. One of the oldest of the Nelson settlers, a man named Abraham VOLLER, was recently drowned. He arrived in the colony by the Thomas Parkes [sic - s/be Thomas Sparks] in 1842, and, except for a few months when he assisted to establish the first settlement of Wellington, VOLLER has resided in Nelson. He was one of the survivors of the historical Wairau massacre, and was one of the crew that helped Captain CARKEEK to sail a craft of 32 tons burden from England to Adelaide in the early days. CARKEEK was appointed sub-collector of customs at Nelson in 1842. Peter

Interest Groups taking part will be Australian, Cornish, Greater London, Midlands and Northern England, Southern England and East Anglia, NZSG Contacts for Channel Islands, Huguenot Isle of Man and Welsh Research. Date: Sunday 8th June 2014 Time: 10.00am-4.00pm Place: Family Research Centre, 159 Queens Road, Panmure, Auckland Door Charge: NZSG Members $5.00 Non-members $20.00 The Interest Group’s AGMs will also be held during this day at the following times: 10.30-11.30am Greater London Interest Group 11.30-12.30pm Cornish Interest Group 12.30-1.00pm Lunch 1.00-2.00pm Southern England and East Anglia Interest Group 2.00-3.00pm Midlands and Northern England Interest Group 3.00-4.00pm Australian Interest Group For local car parks see http://www.genealogy.org.nz/FRC_Parking_636.aspx Come and use the fantastic resources of the Interest Groups and the NZSG See how to get the best from your NZSG Membership Bring your lunch, research and questions to ask. Morning and Afternoon Tea is provided

Year 1896 Surname MARTIN Given Names Winifred Margaret Sex F Spouse TOMS thomas james marriage ********* Surname TOMS Given Names Winifred Margaret Year of Death 1947 Record Type Interment Age 73 Location Karori cheers penne Subject: [nz] Looking for the place of death for Mrs Winifred M. Toms ex Timaru probably Wellington > Her mother arrived on the First Four Ships (Lyttelton), who was her > mother. > This is what I have gathered so far. > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/Toms.htm > > Thanks. > > Olwyn > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Jacqui Are you sure that the data you are finding in other peoples trees is uplifted from your posts to lists? Isn't it far more likely they are just coming to the same assumptions that you did, only they haven't followed it through I find it a little hard to believe that someone is computer literate enough to find your post and yet doesn't realise its a question which needs more work done on it The answer re the earlier posts would be to have posted the corrected conclusion once established I do not know of any online tree site that mandates a source for the information added, it would not be in their favour generally as it would put some people off and the site owners would not want that As far as I can see there are only two courses of action Either don't put anything online, or post the correct verified information with sources, at least then the information copied would be solid data Some though, appear to me to think the source is their property so don't add it False genealogy is not a modern concept, its gone on as long as man has walked the earth, I don't see it ending any time soon All we can do is make our own research as accurate as we can Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 03/06/2014 05:02, Jacqui Gee wrote: > Like many others I tread carefully on Ancestry.Com and do not accept > anything as fact until I am able to validate or verify the information from > original documents and/or source, and establish a link as to how the > information got onto Ancestry.Com in the first place. As I do with any > "discoveries" made during my genealogy "detective" searches. > > Amazingly I am increasingly finding information that I have posted on > various rootsweb lists popping up as fact on Ancestry.Com and other > pay-to-view or free genealogy sites. For example, when making initial > queries and requests on rootsweb lists for assistance I have made reference

Hello All have just added the BMD and snippets for January 1874 email for a copy Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1874.January.Lytt.Times.BMD.html http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1874.January.Lytt.Times.snippets.html

Her mother arrived on the First Four Ships (Lyttelton), who was her mother. This is what I have gathered so far. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/Toms.htm Thanks. Olwyn

For service in South Africa has been recommended for the DSO and the DSM. On his headstone it reads DSO. He is buried in Timaru, died from blood poisoning. http://www.timaru.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemetery-search?BurialId=8382 I wish service all service records would load this easy. http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/soldier/henry-thackeray-heckler Thanks. Olwyn http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/sa.htm#Heckler

'Evening Folks Well - I'm not complaining as my Birth appears to have been transcribed correctly. When I started seeing messages pointing out all the errors on Ancestry I straight away thought that if one didn't know how to interpret the corresponding District Keys it was going to end up in one unholy mess! Well as it happens it looks as tho' it is a mess and I am sure the reason why is, that they have no idea how to "read the numbers". Just my opinion Regards Garry __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 9878 (20140602) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Hi folks, Just completed two projects related to the East Otago area and am offering look ups for any list member who may have a possible connection. First project was the transcribing of the Merton Public School registers which are held at the Waikouaiti Museum. The school was open from 1872 until 1964. These registers have not been transcribed in the past as far as I am aware. Second project was the identification of around 570 men and women who went to the Boer War, WW1 and WW2 from the East Otago area including Waikouaiti, Seacliff, Merton, Karitane, Goodwood and Flag Swamp. If you think you have a connection don’t be afraid to contact me for information. Regards Allan Waikouaiti

Hilton and list, Would you believe it, I am not alive according to the list. Isla. -----Original Message----- From: hilton doidge Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:31 PM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] error in NZ bdm on ancestry I knew there was a reason I don't use subscription genealogy websites... I just had a look at Ancestry's NZ BDM Indexes to see what all the fuss was about... It shows my father born in Southland and his brother [TWIN] born in Auckland... My grandmother must have earned a few frequent-flyer-points that day!... It also shows my siblings were born in Auckland... ALL above places are incorrect! Hilton Doidge Waikato -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patsy Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 11:11 a.m. To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] error in NZ bdm on ancestry Hi listers they have spelt MY name incorrectly on the Ancestry NZ Birth index how do I get that corrected? does anyone know?? cheers Patsy The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Michelle, for those of you who may be interested in this family...took the reading from Ancestry.com - typed passenger list. As I mentioned, now found not to be the family I was searching..so back in the UK. Robyn From: George and Michelle Harte [mailto:wreckers@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2014 5:14 PM To: Robyn Clarke; NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] Graham FODEN/Mother Barbara Just a wee thing from your email ... Hillsite - should read Millsite Cafeteria. - either Caxton or Tasman at that time. Michelle Harte Whakatane, New Zealand NZSG: 25317 wreckers@xtra.co.nz _____ From: Robyn Clarke <rsclarke@bigpond.com> To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2014 4:12 PM Subject: [nz] Graham FODEN/Mother Barbara Another mystery needing help please...... I am trying to locate any mentionings of this family - MRS. BARBARA FODEN arrived from London via Freemantle on the "Strathmore" 9th July 1955........She had with her GRAHAM FODEN aged 1 yr. Address at Destination in Australia: ss Wanganella C/- Kawerau, Bay of Plenty, (Hillsite Cafeteria) N.Z. I have read about the ship "Wanganella" and have seen other passengers on this same Voyage with that ship "Wanganella" as their contact, but not the same address. On the Ancestry.com page there was no other identifying information about the passengers...... It is possible this lady was BARBARA LIVSEY who married WILLIAM L. FODEN in 1953 in Cheshire England. However, I cannot find a Birth for Graham Foden to this Mother in the UK....... Would someone be able to help me here.....a lady in Queensland is trying to help her grandson find his family history. Cheers, Robyn Australia The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I knew there was a reason I don't use subscription genealogy websites... I just had a look at Ancestry's NZ BDM Indexes to see what all the fuss was about... It shows my father born in Southland and his brother [TWIN] born in Auckland... My grandmother must have earned a few frequent-flyer-points that day!... It also shows my siblings were born in Auckland... ALL above places are incorrect! Hilton Doidge Waikato -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patsy Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 11:11 a.m. To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] error in NZ bdm on ancestry Hi listers they have spelt MY name incorrectly on the Ancestry NZ Birth index how do I get that corrected? does anyone know?? cheers Patsy

I went to Ardmore yesterday for the annual Warbirds display,and came across the volunteers of the library. The have what they believe to be one of the largest collection of books etc. on military aviation in NZ. They are concerned that their resource may not be known about, and are keen that it be used. As well as published books it also includes personal accounts, some logs etc. They also have pictures (photos, drawings, paintings...) and model aircraft. And of course real planes from many countries. So, if you have a family member that was involved with planes during any wars, the volunteer librarians may be able to help you find info to flesh out their stories. There is a website with lots of photos & info,    www.nzwarbirds.org.nz and an email address,    nzwarbirds.paradise.net.nz The library is usually open at Ardmore on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays. They can't promise to spend lots of time searching for you, but could advise and guide you. Try sending your question by email.  Cheers, jo ____________ Jo Broad

My guess is they have failed, in using the district keys, possibility using one book for all years, or who knows, my own birth only says New Zealand, like all info, you need to check and check again, every time I go through my tree I find errors I have made some little some bigger ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilton doidge" <hilton.d@clear.net.nz> To: <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2014 15:31 Subject: Re: [nz] error in NZ bdm on ancestry >I knew there was a reason I don't use subscription genealogy websites... > I just had a look at Ancestry's NZ BDM Indexes to see what all the fuss > was > about... > It shows my father born in Southland and his brother [TWIN] born in > Auckland... My grandmother must have earned a few frequent-flyer-points > that > day!... > It also shows my siblings were born in Auckland... > ALL above places are incorrect! > > Hilton Doidge > Waikato > > -----Original Message----- > From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patsy > Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 11:11 a.m. > To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com > Subject: [nz] error in NZ bdm on ancestry > > Hi listers > they have spelt MY name incorrectly on the Ancestry NZ Birth index how > do I get that corrected? does anyone know?? > > cheers > Patsy > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7601 - Release Date: 05/31/14 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3955/7601 - Release Date: 05/31/14

Thanks to Penne I can now dismiss Mrs. Barbara Foden/Fodden nee Rogerson and son Graham in NZ. The lady I was chasing was Mrs. Barbara Foden, nee Livsey born Preston, Lancashire.....it seems she stayed in the UK. On with the search, thank you again, Cheers, Robyn -----Original Message----- From: new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Clarke Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2014 2:12 PM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Graham FODEN/Mother Barbara Another mystery needing help please...... I am trying to locate any mentionings of this family - MRS. BARBARA FODEN arrived from London via Freemantle on the "Strathmore" 9th July 1955........She had with her GRAHAM FODEN aged 1 yr. Address at Destination in Australia: ss Wanganella C/- Kawerau, Bay of Plenty, (Hillsite Cafeteria) N.Z. I have read about the ship "Wanganella" and have seen other passengers on this same Voyage with that ship "Wanganella" as their contact, but not the same address. On the Ancestry.com page there was no other identifying information about the passengers...... It is possible this lady was BARBARA LIVSEY who married WILLIAM L. FODEN in 1953 in Cheshire England. However, I cannot find a Birth for Graham Foden to this Mother in the UK....... Would someone be able to help me here.....a lady in Queensland is trying to help her grandson find his family history. Cheers, Robyn Australia The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another mystery needing help please...... I am trying to locate any mentionings of this family - MRS. BARBARA FODEN arrived from London via Freemantle on the "Strathmore" 9th July 1955........She had with her GRAHAM FODEN aged 1 yr. Address at Destination in Australia: ss Wanganella C/- Kawerau, Bay of Plenty, (Hillsite Cafeteria) N.Z. I have read about the ship "Wanganella" and have seen other passengers on this same Voyage with that ship "Wanganella" as their contact, but not the same address. On the Ancestry.com page there was no other identifying information about the passengers...... It is possible this lady was BARBARA LIVSEY who married WILLIAM L. FODEN in 1953 in Cheshire England. However, I cannot find a Birth for Graham Foden to this Mother in the UK....... Would someone be able to help me here.....a lady in Queensland is trying to help her grandson find his family history. Cheers, Robyn Australia