How about chou moellier for the correct spelling? Another name for kale. Several different varieties of it and widely used as stock food. That would sort out the "char mollier" but the description isn't the same as Judith's description so don't think chou moellier is the right answer. Sue Thomas Nelson On 4/06/2014, at 9:38 PM, Patricia O'Shea wrote: > I think it's char mollier and I'm not sure of that spelling either! > > Cheers, Patsy > > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Judith Harper <quester@orcon.net.nz> wrote: > >> >> A friend writing about growing up in Southland many years ago and a >> wonderful holiday she had on a farm, notes the following - >> >> cropsforthestock,likecorn,turnipsand*charmolan*(itcangrow5 to6 >> foothigh).*Charmolan* hasathicksteamlikesugar >> caneandwhenyoupealtheouterlayeroffitleavesasweet,juicy,crispcentre. >> >> >> I don't know what this charmolan is and cannot find it in my >> dictionaries. Can anyone please confirm that the name is correct OR >> suggest what my friend may have been referring to. She was a child at >> the time and is just writing from memories of what she heard spoken. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Judith Harper >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's char mollier and I'm not sure of that spelling either! Cheers, Patsy On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Judith Harper <quester@orcon.net.nz> wrote: > > A friend writing about growing up in Southland many years ago and a > wonderful holiday she had on a farm, notes the following - > > cropsforthestock,likecorn,turnipsand*charmolan*(itcangrow5 to6 > foothigh).*Charmolan* hasathicksteamlikesugar > caneandwhenyoupealtheouterlayeroffitleavesasweet,juicy,crispcentre. > > > I don't know what this charmolan is and cannot find it in my > dictionaries. Can anyone please confirm that the name is correct OR > suggest what my friend may have been referring to. She was a child at > the time and is just writing from memories of what she heard spoken. > > Many thanks > > Judith Harper > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A friend writing about growing up in Southland many years ago and a wonderful holiday she had on a farm, notes the following - cropsforthestock,likecorn,turnipsand*charmolan*(itcangrow5 to6 foothigh).*Charmolan* hasathicksteamlikesugar caneandwhenyoupealtheouterlayeroffitleavesasweet,juicy,crispcentre. I don't know what this charmolan is and cannot find it in my dictionaries. Can anyone please confirm that the name is correct OR suggest what my friend may have been referring to. She was a child at the time and is just writing from memories of what she heard spoken. Many thanks Judith Harper

Hello Everyone, I felt I must update my research of William Joseph Garrett and his family.....Today I received confirmation from Funeral Directors, Shone and Shirley of Nelson, that William Joseph Garrett was indeed "my" fellow....... The comprehensive details of this Funeral Record are wonderful and just what I needed to confirm his identity. Dated Died 4th April 1957, Nelson Hospital of 155 Kawai St., Nelson.....Occupation retired Carpenter.....aged 61 years. Father John James Garrett and Mother Elizabeth Garrett nee Watterson. Occupation of Father, General Labourer, Born Peel, Isle of Man. Lived in NZ 34 years. Arrived 1922. Deceased married in Nelson at the age of 38 years. To Janet Duff Thomson - Age of daughters living 21 and 19. Names Betty and Mary. Pension - Sickness benefit. Details of Funeral Directors and funeral 6th April 1957. Service in Chapel. Returned Serviceman's Number 44826 - South Wales Borders, Private. Buried Nelson Cemetery R.S.A. So to anyone needing to confirm the identity of someone, first check with the Funeral Directors who buried the person.....perhaps not all are so full of detail, but in this case, it helped me no end, I have been able to send all this information to my friend in the US, so she can pass it on to the "living" niece of this gentleman aged 95 years! I again thank everyone for their help and interest.....I am still concentrating my efforts in finding a current relative of William Joseph Garrett in NZ......I have written to a couple of people and who knows, I may strike the jackpot again! Cheers, Robyn Australia -----Original Message----- From: Robyn Clarke [mailto:rsclarke@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2014 9:38 PM To: 'NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com' Subject: William Joseph Garret and Family Thanks Hello Everyone, I cannot thank you all enough, for the wonderful interest and help I've received from many on this List over the past very few days regarding William Joseph Garrett, Carpenter of Nelson and his Family and their history. I have responded to each email personally, but thought an update of Thanks to all, must be given at this time. I am still without the piece of the puzzle stating just where WILLIAM JOSEPH GARRETT was born in 1896 or indeed who his parents were......however, we are now down this Family's history line to his daughter ELIZABETH FLORENCE McGREGOR who married a Scot, MENZIES RISK MCGREGOR and was found living in Phillipstown, Christchurch for many years....up to 1981. As well a son, PETER JOSEPH THOMSON McGREGOR was living with them in later Rolls. The home was sold a few years ago, so the lead has ended. I still have emails out to different Funeral Homes and the RSA, so my investigations still have a little hope of finding my missing puzzle. Cheers for now, Robyn Australia

No Murray that would be the governments job ;-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 04/06/2014 18:39, mhhr wrote: > Isn't a "Colonist" an evil entity that destroyed paradise to the detriment > of earlier "Immigrants"? > > Murray

In several of my families I have the males declaring in electoral rolls and obituaries that they were both colonists and settlers, and they all owned land. In all cases they arrived in NZ before 1860, some as small children in the early 1840's. In my experience it was a Wellington thing, but it may well have occurred in other districts. Carolyn

I would be interested in hearing the spread of opinions relating to the differences in understandings between these three words. For example, was a 'colonist' an immigrant who arrived early on, say before 1860? Or did 'he' have to have had means to buy land, for example? And could a woman be classed as a 'colonist' if she sought to operate on her own account? Was a 'settler' simply an immigrant who would not have owned land, but maybe have been an artisan, for example? And again, to what point in time? 1860, for example? So, were 'immigrants' those of all classes/occupations who arrived later, say after 1860, or was that not the case until the great rush in the Vogel era, for example? Was there an established social hierarchy in the use of these words? I suspect from reading Papers Past, there was, with 'colonist' at the top of the tree. Thanks Joseph

You know, you can add comments on the information on the Ancestry trees......... On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Peter Dillon <peter_dillon@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > I've had the same experience more than once I get all excited to find > someone who must have laboured for years to get to the same position as > me...and I find that it is merely my original research that they have > copied > verbatim. Even original sketches by me have not been acknowledged. > > One person at Ancestry.com trees took all my data concerning the origins of > a family at Lairg Scotland, which emigrated to Ontario, and transplanted it > onto his own ancestors in Prince Edward Island. What the? No sourcing in > the Ancestry tree yet my original data was all sourced and absolutely > correct, a work of many years starting in the mid 1980s and involving > research and collaboration with others in Scotland, Australia, Ontario and > Nova Scotia. The idea that my ancestors went from Lairg to Prince Edward > Island is sheer fantasy. > > Trust an Ancestry.com tree at your peril. Having said that, sometimes > rubbish trees at Ancestry are not always 100% rubbish and can still be a > source of great clues and data that does stand up to scrutiny, and of > course > many trees are pretty good. The problem with so many trees at ancestry is > lack of sourcing so that you can't see how they built their family > structures. A total lack of sourcing should ring loud alarm bells. > > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patricia O'Shea > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:35 PM > To: Jacqui Gee > Cc: List - NZ Messages > Subject: Re: [nz] errors ancestry com and other sites > > This lack of sourcing material on Ancestry is something which really > irritates me. > > Recently I had contact with 4th cousins in Canada, which quite excited me > until I looked at their tree on Ancestry. I was very surprised to find that > comments had been added which were directly lifted from my website on that > line of the family, and not acknowledged. This information and my comments > come from primary research which could be done only in person in Ireland > and had taken me many years and several trips there to accumulate, yet it > was posted as the comments of the tree 'owner' - even though it is word for > word my own work. > > I challenged the cousin who maintained that he had taken the comments from > another tree on Ancestry but this is a straight out porky as it is an > unusual name and there are no other trees on Ancestry for it. > > To me this is plain theft/dishonesty, and at the very least a lack of > courtesy to the original researcher. A simple acknowledgment of the website > where he found the information would be all I ask. I doubt that Ancestry > has any facility to remove such material and perhaps wouldn't even want to > do so. > > Just one of the joys of the internet I guess but very disappointing, > especially as I have now ceased corresponding with that branch of the > family. > > Regards, > Patsy > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The saddest thing is to visit WW1 cemeteries in France and see that all the men in the cemetery died on the same day. Shirley Subject: [nz] Billions of Graves Just saying, if anyone has spare time to do some transcribing it’s lots of fun and quite addictive. One thing I’m really noticing is how many people seem to die the same month they are born, often on nearly the same date. Interesting. Sent from Windows Mail The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jean if you get the NSW Registration of deaths number providing its before 1983, you can go to a Transcrption Agent, I use Joy Murrin and get just the transcription which is half the price of a certified copy of the Certificate. It will have all the same information. Regards Joy Light

Murray briefly, because it's off-topic, you have to copy it to another place, eg a computer or perhaps the hard drive of a video . . . ? , and copy it back to the next place. And with TV progs that's not so simple. You could ask in a computer sales place . . But I suggest, ready for next time, that you get something a bit bigger, an external hard drive possibly, so you have tons of room on it. Go and ask an expert, and tell us the result migs On 4/06/2014, at 11:46 AM, new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: [nz] "Making New Zealand" Prime TV/Sky TV > > I have been recording this excellent series onto USB memory sticks. > The program is so good I have decided to keep them and put the > series onto one memory stick but haven't been able to "copy/paste" > from one stick to another. Can any one help with this puzzle please? > > Murray Reid

Hi Murray If you put your usb into your computer/laptop then go to My computer, look for the drive that your USB is on, double click on that and you should be able to save the series to your desktop. (Just try 1 first) When you put in the new USB that you want to save them all on Right click on the desktop icon for your series, on your desktop, and then click on Sent to and then choose your USB Hopefully this should work for you OK. I do this is I have something on a USB stick and want to put it on my laptop and work on and then back onto the USB stick again with that Send To option Let me know how you go.. I may have missed soemthing and if I have I will do myself and then put instructions back on here Cheers Judith East Coast- Tasmania *Rowes Retreat B&B* *112 Ansons Bay Rd, St Helens* *03 6376 173703 6376 17370410 300 614* http://rowesretreatbedandbreakfast.webs.com/ http://www.discovertasmania.com/accommodation/rowesretreatbedandbreakfast Call Send SMS Add to Skype You'll need Skype CreditFree via Skype On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Migs Eder <migseder@clear.net.nz> wrote: > Murray > > briefly, because it's off-topic, you have to copy it to another > place, eg a computer or perhaps the hard drive of a video . . . ? , > and copy it back to the next place. And with TV progs that's not so > simple. You could ask in a computer sales place . . But I suggest, > ready for next time, that you get something a bit bigger, an external > hard drive possibly, so you have tons of room on it. Go and ask an > expert, and tell us the result > > migs > > On 4/06/2014, at 11:46 AM, new-zealand-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Subject: [nz] "Making New Zealand" Prime TV/Sky TV > > > > I have been recording this excellent series onto USB memory sticks. > > The program is so good I have decided to keep them and put the > > series onto one memory stick but haven't been able to "copy/paste" > > from one stick to another. Can any one help with this puzzle please? > > > > Murray Reid > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yippee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My recent correspondent has just located the baptism of Richard WARNER. He was baptised 10 March 1819 at All Saints' parish to Joseph & Elizabeth WARNER. All Saints' is a Hastings parish. Abode St Clements, father a labourer, minister W. WHISTLER. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:53 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: WARNER , VOLLER This is for people researching Richard WARNER abt 1819-1873 & Eliza WRIGHT (1820-1865). They arrived at Nelson with a young son on the ship OLYMPUS in 1842 and had 11 more children at Nelson. It is becoming increasingly likely that Richard was known as VOLLER as well as WARNER back in Sussex England. Why, I don't know yet Further arrivals at Nelson on the ship THOMAS SPARKS were Abraham VOLLER (abt 180401875) & Elizabeth JONES (abt 1811-1873) and their three daughters Elizabeth (Betsy) (1827-1861), Mary Ann (1830) and Jane (1834). Both Richard WARNER and Abraham VOLLER set out for New Zealand from Ore, Sussex (on the outskirts of Hastings) and both escaped the Wairau massacre in 1843. The story goes that when Eliza WRIGHT died far too early at Nelson in 1865, in only her mid-forties, her two youngest children, Abraham WARNER (bo1859-1938) & Martha WARNER (1863-1947), were raised out of the family. Martha was adopted by people called O'LOUGHLIN living at Richmond. The information given in the registrations for Abraham WARNER's marriage and death is that his father was Richard WARNER and his mother was Mary DOUGLAS, yet his mother was definitely Eliza WRIGHT. Richard WARNER did not marry again. It is likely that Mary DOUGLAS was Mary Ann VOLLER (born 1830) the daughter of Abraham VOLLER & Elizabeth JONES. Mary married James MARSH but had lots of issue to Hugh DOUGLAS. Back in Sussex Abraham VOLLER married Elizabeth JONES at Ore parish in 1827. A curious thing is that for the baptisms of of each of their three daughters at Ore parish in 1827, in 1830 and 1837, i.e. over quite a lengthy period, Abraham was known as Abraham WARNER. Richard WARNER was the son of Joseph & Elizabeth WARNER who in the 1841 census lived in the All Saints part of Hastings with another son Robert WARNER. Robert's brother Richard WARNER had recently married Eliza WRIGHT and they resided at Ore in the household of Eliza's parents in 1841, James & Elizabeth WRIGHT. Joseph WARNER died 1851 in the workhouse at Ore and his wife Elizabeth also died 1851, both after the 1851 census. The informant for the death of Elizabeth was Sarah Ann VOLLER of Ore, present at the death. I wondered for some years who Sarah Ann was, until I realised that she must be Sarah Ann FOORD who married Robert VOLLER at Ore in 1843. This couple is in the 1851 census as WARNER. The implication is of course that Robert VOLLER and Richard WARNER are one and the same. 30 Mar 1851 Census England & Wales @ The Down, Ore, Sussex Robert WARNER Head Marr 30 Ag. Lab b. Hastings Sarah Ann WARNER Wife Marr 28 b. Battle Harriet WARNER Dau 07 Scholar b. Ore Maria WARNER Dau 01 b. Ore That was the point I reached a few years ago regarding the WARNER versus VOLLER thing. Then I discovered that Eliza WRIGHT's brother, William WRIGHT, was transported to Van Dieman's Land on the ship MOFFAT. In records at the Tasmania end William gives a description of the the crimes of which he was convicted. He got 7 years for stealing a pair of trousers and seven years for stealing "my sister's watch," making a 14 year sentence altogether. While a prisoner he suffered various punishments for misdemeanours such absconding, stealing soap which was the property of her Majesty, and so forth, the worst of which was 100 lashes. There were lesser numbers of lashes and solitary confinement as well. Eventually he gave no more reasons to punish him and after a few years was pardoned in 1852 roughly ten years after he was first sentenced in 1842 at the Lewes assizes. The last I have found of him is on a ship called the LADYBIRD going from Launceston to Melbourne in 1842. Information at the Tasmania end gives William's birthplace as "Elsham nr Lewes." There is no Elsham near Lewes - I checked with the county record office at Lewes to make sure. Elsham will be Hailsham parish with the 'H' dropped. Hailsham is where James WRIGHT & family lived at the baptism of son Aaron in 1829 before moving to Ore where their youngest child Amelia was baptised in 1831. Daughter Eliza's baptism in 1828 at Hailsham parish specifically states that she was born 01/01/1820. The family was arrested on the common at Hailsham in 1820 when Eliza was 3 months old and taken to the House of Correction at Lewes. After a week the family was returned to Hailsham via a removal order based on a settlement examination which determined that the parish of settlement was Hailsham. The removal order gives the family structure in 1820 with William age 4. Information at the Australian end gives sister Elizabeth Hannah's birthplace variously as Leisham or Elsham, but I am sure that Hailsham was meant. James the father was the son of Edward & Elizabeth WRIGHT who were travellers, with Edward likely to be the son of Adam & Jane WRIGHT who were travellers, possibly from Ireland. There were plenty of Romany travellers in East Sussex and a couple of the WRIGHT's married into them, James' sister Maria WRIGHT who married Mark RIPLEY. William WRIGHT was convicted 3rd Jan 1842 at the Lewes assizes. To which sister did the stolen watch belong? The candidates are Elizabeth Hannah WRIGHT who married Henry HEAD at Ore in 1832 and went to Australia in 1841 arriving Jan 1842 (i.e. she was at sea when the watch was stolen on 9 Dec 1841), Eliza WRIGHT who married Richard WARNER at Ore 13 March 1841, and Amelia WRIGHT who was aged only 10 when the watch was stolen (married Edward CRUMP in 1854). There were other sisters - Charlotte, Mary Eleanor (Ellen), and Diana - but they were deceased well before the watch was stolen. The weekend before last I was contacted by a descendant of Edward WRIGHT. Edward WRIGHT was a brother to James WRIGHT the father of Eliza WRIGHT. The descendant has been researching for only two years but he is handily located at Croyden and recently retired, and he's getting into his genealogy boots and all. Another researcher sent him some indexes re Sussex genealogy, one of which was an index to victims of crime. According to the index the watch stolen by William WRIGHT belonged to R. VOLLER. Another index of a similar nature but with extra details tells us that the crime was committed on 9 Dec 1841 at Ore and the watch belonged to Richard VOLLER. And now I have discovered a couple of newspaper articles regarding the crime at the British newspapers website, with similar information and the names of the members of the jury. William pleaded not guilty. Now, in Tasmania, William stated that he stole his sister's watch, not Richard VOLLER's watch. The only way I can resolve this is via the WARNER versus VOLLER thing. I'm assuming that Richard VOLLER is actually Richard WARNER the husband of Eliza WRIGHT!!! Under the property laws of the time perhaps Eliza's watch was regarded legally as the property of her husband Richard. Unfortunately Richard WARNER aka VOLLER's parents, Joseph & Elizabeth WARNER, are a brick wall for me as I can't find them in the 1851 census to see their birthplaces. I've looked for both WARNER and VOLLER and variants including WELLER which is how Abraham VOLLER and family appear in the 1841 census. Joseph & Elizabeth have to be in the 1851 census because they died after it...but I just can't find them. They are in All Saints, Hastings in the 1841 census described as not born in the parish. Kent? Hampshire? Surrey? London? Abraham VOLLER (21) and his sister Ann VOLLER (12) were subject to a removal order from Winchelsea parish in Sussex to Titchfield parish in Hampshire in 1825. It is possible that Abraham VOLLER was baptised at Widley parish Hampshire 30 Sep 1804 to John &Eliz. VOLLER( IGI ). I've had a look for a possible baptism or a marriage for Richard WARNER but haven't come up with anything likely yet. In Nelson, Abraham VOLLER was known as Jerry VOLLER. Here's an amusing piece about him from Papers Past. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ Marlborough Express, Volume XXI, Issue 86, 18 April 1885, Page 2 LOCAL AND GENERAL NEWS. A Reminiscence. — A correspondent of the Colonist writes : — In 1855, the good people of Nelson were in a high state of excitement regarding the war that was then raging between England and Russia, and every day we were expecting to receive a visit from a Russian warship. One fine morning the flagstaff at the signal station was covered with flags, which threw the Nelsonians into a great state of excitement, for they could not imagine what the display of bunting meant. On Pilot CROSS proceeding to the signal station, he found poor old Jerry VOLLER in a high state of excitement, which had been greatly increased by the strength of the famous Nelson brewed malt liquors. On inquiring what was up, Jerry replied — " It's all up with us, the Russians have come." Shortly after the Provincial Council met, and as as often customary in those days, they were seized with a fit of retrenchment, but the only saving effected was to take sixpence a day off Jerry's salary. I do not know whether his method of announcing the supposed visit of the Russians had anything to do with making the Councillors dock poor Jerry's screw. However, he was the only victim on that occasion. — Old Resident. VOLLER researchers will know of the circumstances regarding Jerry VOLLER's death and found some items about it at Papers Past, but maybe they haven't seen this bit from Trove: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8942292 The Mercury (Hobart, Tas. : 1860 - 1954), Monday 10 January 1876, Page 3. One of the oldest of the Nelson settlers, a man named Abraham VOLLER, was recently drowned. He arrived in the colony by the Thomas Parkes [sic - s/be Thomas Sparks] in 1842, and, except for a few months when he assisted to establish the first settlement of Wellington, VOLLER has resided in Nelson. He was one of the survivors of the historical Wairau massacre, and was one of the crew that helped Captain CARKEEK to sail a craft of 32 tons burden from England to Adelaide in the early days. CARKEEK was appointed sub-collector of customs at Nelson in 1842. Peter

I've had the same experience more than once I get all excited to find someone who must have laboured for years to get to the same position as me...and I find that it is merely my original research that they have copied verbatim. Even original sketches by me have not been acknowledged. One person at Ancestry.com trees took all my data concerning the origins of a family at Lairg Scotland, which emigrated to Ontario, and transplanted it onto his own ancestors in Prince Edward Island. What the? No sourcing in the Ancestry tree yet my original data was all sourced and absolutely correct, a work of many years starting in the mid 1980s and involving research and collaboration with others in Scotland, Australia, Ontario and Nova Scotia. The idea that my ancestors went from Lairg to Prince Edward Island is sheer fantasy. Trust an Ancestry.com tree at your peril. Having said that, sometimes rubbish trees at Ancestry are not always 100% rubbish and can still be a source of great clues and data that does stand up to scrutiny, and of course many trees are pretty good. The problem with so many trees at ancestry is lack of sourcing so that you can't see how they built their family structures. A total lack of sourcing should ring loud alarm bells. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Patricia O'Shea Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 4:35 PM To: Jacqui Gee Cc: List - NZ Messages Subject: Re: [nz] errors ancestry com and other sites This lack of sourcing material on Ancestry is something which really irritates me. Recently I had contact with 4th cousins in Canada, which quite excited me until I looked at their tree on Ancestry. I was very surprised to find that comments had been added which were directly lifted from my website on that line of the family, and not acknowledged. This information and my comments come from primary research which could be done only in person in Ireland and had taken me many years and several trips there to accumulate, yet it was posted as the comments of the tree 'owner' - even though it is word for word my own work. I challenged the cousin who maintained that he had taken the comments from another tree on Ancestry but this is a straight out porky as it is an unusual name and there are no other trees on Ancestry for it. To me this is plain theft/dishonesty, and at the very least a lack of courtesy to the original researcher. A simple acknowledgment of the website where he found the information would be all I ask. I doubt that Ancestry has any facility to remove such material and perhaps wouldn't even want to do so. Just one of the joys of the internet I guess but very disappointing, especially as I have now ceased corresponding with that branch of the family. Regards, Patsy

From: "Joseph Gillard" <xk6050@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [nz] 'Colonist' or 'Settler' or 'Immigrant' I would be interested in hearing the spread of opinions relating to the differences in understandings between these three words. For example, was a 'colonist' an immigrant who arrived early on, say before 1860? Or did 'he' have to have had means to buy land, for example? And could a woman be classed as a 'colonist' if she sought to operate on her own account? Was a 'settler' simply an immigrant who would not have owned land, but maybe have been an artisan, for example? And again, to what point in time? 1860, for example? So, were 'immigrants' those of all classes/occupations who arrived later, say after 1860, or was that not the case until the great rush in the Vogel era, for example? Was there an established social hierarchy in the use of these words? I suspect from reading Papers Past, there was, with 'colonist' at the top of the tree. ___________________________________ Women were freeholders, colonists, settlers and early pioneers. They were also dowagers, relicts and very old residents but not an immigrant. There was a hierarchy. The land gentry were so very high up in the trees, they cannot get higher....but there was shade and rest at the bottom. Freeholder returns 1882 7% were women. http://web.archive.org/web/20120313021001/http://freeholders.co.nz/ Northern Advocate 27 September 1920, Page 2 MRS J. McGIMPSEY There passed away at Timaru on September 23, one of the oldest colonists of that district, Mrs J. McGimpsey, in her 78th year. The deceased was the relic of the late William John Fulton and later of the late James McGimpsey. The deceased shared the hardships, early colonists, coming out to New Zealand in the East India Company's ship "Bluejacket," and landing at Lyttelton 65 years ago. Mrs MCGimipsey is survived by five sons and three daughters— Messrs J. Fulton, Christchurch; W. J. Fulton, Timaru; T. N. Fulton, Railways, Whangarei; G. Fulton, Fairlie; J. McGimpsey, Oamaru; Mrs K. McLennan and Mrs H. Allen, Timaru; and Mrs M. McLeod, Auckland; also 23 grandchildren. Timaru Herald, 9 July 1917, Page 3 Mrs McCALLUM Another old settler and a well known resident of Temuka, Mrs Archibald McCallum, died at the residence of her daughter, Mrs James Elder, on Thursday last, at the age of 86 years. The late Mrs McCalium was born in Edinburgh in 1831. In, 1861, with her husband the late Mr Archibald McCallum, she came to New Zealand in the steamship William Henderson, landing in Dunedin. Early in the seventies the family came to Temuka, and settled there. Evening Post, 29 June 1937, Page 16 MRS. M. A. POWER The death occurred yesterday of one of the early pioneers in the person of Mrs. M. A. Power, of 62 Nairn Street. Born in Ireland, Mrs. Power came to New Zealand with her husband 64 years ago, arriving and settling .in Timaru in 1873. Glossary Cockatoo- now a cocky. An agricultural farmer, a small farmer as opposed to squatter or sheep farmer. Colonials -Until 1900 most New Zealand born people spoke of themseleves as colonials where now they would call themseleves New Zealanders. Dowager - a woman who holds some title or property from her deceased husband. A widow with jointure; title given to widow to distinguish her from wife of her husband's heir. English-born vs Colonial born (born in NZ) JimmyGrant- immigrant pommy - English newcomer to Australia or P.O.M.W. [Prisoner of Mother England] New chum- a recent immigrant Old chum - the Colonial dialect calls a settler. Kiwi -a non flying member of the R.A.F. Pilgrim, Prophet and pre-Admite are the only three words which can be proved to be pure Canterbury productions. [Acland] Pilgram - one of Canterbury Association's settlers Pre-Admite- Old nickname for the families who arrived in Canterbury before the settlement. Prophet- nickname of the Australian squatters who came down to Canterbury in 1851. They always spoke of coming down (not over0 from Australia. [Acland] Settler- one who makes a home in a new country; a colonist Shagroons- The Australian squatters who invaded Canterbury in 1851-52. They were also called Prophets. Squatter- Runholder, station owner. Now a sheep farmer. A squatter's nightmare - a rabbit. The phase Old Identity was invented in Dunedin by Thatcher, the former resident of Dunedin, being distinguished from the "new iniquity," as the people were called who came from Australia. Elsewhere "our oldest inhabitant". [Morris - Austral English, 1898] Timaru Herald, 13 February 1874, Page 3 An Auckland paper has been making merry over a portmanteau-stealing case in the Resident Magistrate's Court, where the personal effects of a new arrival were produced for identification. It appears that he had such a number and variety of clothes of all kinds; that the Magistrate, (Mr Beckham) gravely remarked, that there was enough to start a small shop. Perhaps so, but it would be a very small one indeed. The new chum was perfectly right to bring as many clothes and odds and ends as over he could buy, or squeeze out of his friends and relatives before leaving home. There's no doubt that English clothes are much nicer than those made out here they don't cut under the arms, or bag at the knees, or stick out behind in a perky, cocksparrow fashion the buttons won't come off without strong persuasion with a pair of scissors, and as for wear, the things last, forever, and always look decent and stylish no one should set up in the loafer business without a good stock of English clothes; ... Dressing cases - leather, of course - which comprise every conceivable toilet necessary, or unnecessary, of the smallest size and packed into the smallest space, are also much in vogue both articles are very complete in their way, but the worst of them is that there is only one thing harder than getting the contents out, and that is putting them in again. The fact that they are utterly unserviceable whether in or out, hardly needs to be stated. The intending colonist overlooks the fact that all these complex impedimenta will cost both money and anxiety to drag about with him in a new country, but he very soon comes to realise it, and it is a happy day for him when he at length finds out that all a gentleman wants for travelling in New Zealand, is a tooth brush and a paper collar, with a "clean boiled rag" in reserve, perhaps, if he contemplates frequenting the salons of the aristocracy. We remember in Otago once seeing a well-dressed, thoroughbred-looking young fellow, descend from the coach at a point where a district road led off into the wilds; the driver, who loved his joke, called out to a digger asleep on the roof "Hi you, help parse deown the gentleman's baggage, won't jer?" This drew everybody's attention to the traveller, who stood stamping his numbed feet on the frosty road, and quietly waiting for his property but he had the laugh on his side when the grinning coachee tossed him a paper parcel no bigger than his hand, which he walked off with at good five miles an hour. He was no new chum, you may bet! ____________________________________________ Mr A.E. Andrews of Napier said in 1910 that considerable differences existed between the Home and the colonial speech, the differences being marked in the native born school children than in the adults, most of whom were, presumably, born in the Old Country and spoke provincial English. Immigration as a cause. During the last 25 years a class of immigrant inferior to the earlier settlers in culture and social position, and that these newer colonists brought with them a number of local pronunciations, but no particular English dialect. The NZ dialect, unlike the provincialisms of England, was not a matter of locality and occupation, nor of social position or education.

I agree with other listers that the name is choumollier, referred to as chou.  The description is quite accurate, a tall plant with a sweet succulent core to the stem.  We used to steal a plant as we walked home from school and eat the core.  My memory is that it was very similar to the core of a green broccoli stem, which I still like to peel and eat raw (same brassica family).  It was grown a lot in Southland - in the North Island maize seems to fulfil a similar need for cattle fodder. Mary

I am looking for information regarding my g-g-aunt. Her maiden name was Elizabeth Kennedy. She was born in County Antrim, Northern Ireland, between 1843-1863. Her mother’s name was Mary, and her father’s name was Samuel. She had four siblings who immigrated to the United States. Elizabeth married and moved to New Zealand. Unfortunately, I don’t know her husband’s name and, as a result, have been unable to learn anything about her. If you have any information about Elizabeth, I’d greatly appreciate hearing from you. I’m visiting New Zealand next year and would love to meet any distant relatives while there. Elizabeth

I have been recording this excellent series onto USB memory sticks. The program is so good I have decided to keep them and put the series onto one memory stick but haven't been able to "copy/paste" from one stick to another. Can any one help with this puzzle please? I am also bemused why programs such as this and "Heartland" are produced by "NZ on Air" (tax payer funds) yet shown on subscription only channels. Murray Reid Mangatangi.

Just saying, if anyone has spare time to do some transcribing it’s lots of fun and quite addictive. One thing I’m really noticing is how many people seem to die the same month they are born, often on nearly the same date. Interesting. Regards Jan Sent from Windows Mail

It's chou moellier - chou being French for cabbage. It's a kale, Brassica oleracea   Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand spark@xtra.co.nz >________________________________ > From: Judith Harper <quester@orcon.net.nz> >To: NZ Rootsweb list <new-zealand@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, 4 June 2014 9:32 PM >Subject: [nz] Southland farm crop - charmolan? > > > >A friend writing about growing up in Southland many years ago and a >wonderful holiday she had on a farm, notes the following - > >    cropsforthestock,likecorn,turnipsand*charmolan*(itcangrow5 to6 >    foothigh).*Charmolan* hasathicksteamlikesugar >    caneandwhenyoupealtheouterlayeroffitleavesasweet,juicy,crispcentre. > > >I don't know what this charmolan is and cannot find it in my >dictionaries.  Can anyone please confirm that the name is correct OR >suggest what my friend may have been referring to. She was a child at >the time and is just writing  from memories of  what she heard spoken. > >Many thanks > >Judith Harper > > >The List Guidelines > >http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >