Haven't seen any replies to this but the way I see it is the daughter is the niece of the man's first wife (her father must have been brother/half brother of the first wife) so she has no blood relationship to your man. Seems reasonable however to describe her as his niece by marriage. Graham On 15/06/2014 2:32 p.m., Rowan Gibbs wrote: > Just trying to get my head round this > > a man married twice and his second wife was the daughter of the son of his > first wife’s father > > > would she be described as his niece by marriage -- or as what? > > Rowan Gibbs > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519

Just trying to get my head round this - she would be his brother in law's daughter - ie his niece. Cheers. Ainslie. <quote> a man married twice and his second wife was the daughter of the son of his first wife’s father would she be described as his niece by marriage -- or as what? Rowan Gibbs

I have family information to share with interested direct descendants of James CANNAN born Hamilton on Clyde, Tasmania, 25 December 1867, and Elizabeth RAHILL born 1873 Cavan, Ireland, resident at Bald Hill Flat in 1897. James William CANNAN married Mary Ann WHYTE, age 19 at Clyde Parish, Alexandra, 26 January 1898. Elizabeth RAHILL married William Stephen WILSON, 1902 at Bald Hill School. Chatto Creek, Ophir, Omakau, Cromwell and Alexandra feature prominently in the places of residence of descendants of these two persons. Related families include WAITI, HINDS, JOHNSTON, BOND, GIBB, MONK. and McCAUGHAN. Occupations include Hotelkeeper, Miner and Farmer. If a direct descendant please contact me by email, bob.vine@paradise.net.nz or telephone 64 4 9711192. Bob Judy & Bob's Place 11 Ngaio Crescent, Lower Hutt 5010, NEW ZEALAND Tel: 64 4 9711192 www.bobvine.gen.nz/blog

Thanks, Murray. I have his service record, but the only mention of his teaching is on his enlistment form. Ngataki may have been his only school appointment - was an 'Assistant Master' a first year out of Training College appointment? _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand spark@xtra.co.nz  Visit my Glass blog at http://newzealandglass.blogspot.co.nz/ -----Original Message----- From: mhhr [mailto:mhhr@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 16 June 2014 10:17 a.m. To: spark; new-zealand-l@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [nz] Teaching career 1930s Robert George LEDLIE I think Education Dept records are likely to be scattered around the varous Education Boards that would have employed him. My Fath taught during the same period in at least three Board Districts. In 1942 he was in TeAroha and applied to join the ATC. I found his entire school teaching history (up to 1942) in his military records. His application form was on file, in his hand writing Murray Reid Mangatangi ----- Original Message ----- From: "spark" <spark@xtra.co.nz> To: <new-zealand-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [nz] Teaching career 1930s Robert George LEDLIE How can I find information about a young teacher's career in the 1930s? I know about his military service and death in WWII, but I'm not clear about his movements before he enlisted. Robert George LEDLIE was at Teacher's College in Dunedin in 1936 (I have one of his textbooks). Was that a three year course? In October 1939 (Auckland Star reference) he was appointed Assistant Master at Ngataki school in the Far North, presumably starting there at the beginning of 1940. In October 1940 he enlisted for the Army in Kaitaia, and in December 1940 was balloted for military service. He entered Burnham Camp on 7 January 1941, and embarked from Wellington with the 4th Reinforcements on 1st February 1941, after one month's training. George died in a POW camp in Milan on 6 September 1942. Would he have had any teaching appointment before 1940? Are teaching appointments available anywhere? _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand spark@xtra.co.nz The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Penne for sending me picture of the home, and also to Allan for the very informative bit I did not know about the home and to Ray for the link as well. regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com

I think Education Dept records are likely to be scattered around the varous Education Boards that would have employed him. My Fath taught during the same period in at least three Board Districts. In 1942 he was in TeAroha and applied to join the ATC. I found his entire school teaching history (up to 1942) in his military records. His application form was on file, in his hand writing Murray Reid Mangatangi ----- Original Message ----- From: "spark" <spark@xtra.co.nz> To: <new-zealand-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:55 AM Subject: [nz] Teaching career 1930s Robert George LEDLIE How can I find information about a young teacher's career in the 1930s? I know about his military service and death in WWII, but I'm not clear about his movements before he enlisted. Robert George LEDLIE was at Teacher's College in Dunedin in 1936 (I have one of his textbooks). Was that a three year course? In October 1939 (Auckland Star reference) he was appointed Assistant Master at Ngataki school in the Far North, presumably starting there at the beginning of 1940. In October 1940 he enlisted for the Army in Kaitaia, and in December 1940 was balloted for military service. He entered Burnham Camp on 7 January 1941, and embarked from Wellington with the 4th Reinforcements on 1st February 1941, after one month's training. George died in a POW camp in Milan on 6 September 1942. Would he have had any teaching appointment before 1940? Are teaching appointments available anywhere? _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand spark@xtra.co.nz The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How can I find information about a young teacher’s career in the 1930s? I know about his military service and death in WWII, but I’m not clear about his movements before he enlisted. Robert George LEDLIE was at Teacher’s College in Dunedin in 1936 (I have one of his textbooks). Was that a three year course? In October 1939 (Auckland Star reference) he was appointed Assistant Master at Ngataki school in the Far North, presumably starting there at the beginning of 1940. In October 1940 he enlisted for the Army in Kaitaia, and in December 1940 was balloted for military service. He entered Burnham Camp on 7 January 1941, and embarked from Wellington with the 4th Reinforcements on 1st February 1941, after one month’s training. George died in a POW camp in Milan on 6 September 1942. Would he have had any teaching appointment before 1940? Are teaching appointments available anywhere? _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri, New Zealand spark@xtra.co.nz 

Barbara, where have you looked so far? I'd suggest Papers Past, and Ancestry if you have access. Ancestry now has NZ BDMs up to 1950. Jeanette > Hi List, > I am trying to help a friend with her genealogy. > She is trying to find information on a Tommy Wallace bn about 1930-33 she > doesn't know where. His mothers name is Parekahu Wallace, father unknown. > Any help would be much appreciated. > Barbara > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 8472 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Ailsa, Good to see Penne has sent you a photo. A number of the buildings are still there although now privately owned. The Hospital was just behind where the cemetery is situated and was not near where the Ecosanctuary building now is. The land used by the Sanctuary was owned by Government in the early days to protect the water supply to the Hospital. If searching for early photos of Dunedin area a good place to start is "Hocken Snapshot" where there are approx 30,000 photos available. You are fortunate to find a headstone for your man as many of the patients who died in these hospitals were buried in 'common ground' and no headstone was allowed. The area at the Waitati cemetery above, under and behind the seat at the end of the driveway contains nearly 300 persons who died in either Seacliff or Orokonui hospitals but have no headstone or formal marked grave. The Waitati/Blueskin cemetery photos should be on the DCC cemetery website within the next 3 months. Regards Allan -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Corlett Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 12:43 AM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Requiring Photo of Orokonui Home, Waitati does anyone know if a photo of the old Orokonui Home at Waitati, out from Dunedin exists. I have searched google, archives and timeline etc with no success on finding a photo of the actual home. I have a young person (husbands side of family) who was only 17yrs old when he died of epilepsy and cardiac failure in 1930 while living in the home. I know many of these common ailments of today were not treated like they are today and it was a real shame to see a young 17yr in such a home. I have found a headstone for him at the Waitati Cemetery and on my recent visit took some photos, but would be nice to have a photo of the home as it was back then or around that sort of date. It is nice that it is now a eco-Sanctuary. regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3964/7679 - Release Date: 06/15/14

In Family view, I would record the Funeral information as a note against the Death event and record the burial date/details next to the burial event. There is a helpful Legacy Users Group which you can join here if you wish: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Regards Bryan

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http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/100-years-ago/289774/farming-scheme-providing-future On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Ailsa Corlett <ailsa@st.net.au> wrote: > does anyone know if a photo of the old Orokonui Home at Waitati, out from > Dunedin exists. I have searched google, archives and timeline etc with no > success on finding a photo of the actual home. > > I have a young person (husbands side of family) who was only 17yrs old when > he died of epilepsy and cardiac failure in 1930 while living in the home. > > > > I know many of these common ailments of today were not treated like they > are > today and it was a real shame to see a young 17yr in such a home. I have > found a headstone for him at the Waitati Cemetery and on my recent visit > took some photos, but would be nice to have a photo of the home as it was > back then or around that sort of date. > > It is nice that it is now a eco-Sanctuary. > > > > regards Ailsa > > > > Ailsa Corlett > > ailsa@st.net.au > > http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa > > alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: > > ailsacorlett@gmail.com > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ailsa , Maybe there is a pic to be found in one or more of the Otago Libraries or museums ? Best of luck in your request Ray On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Ailsa Corlett <ailsa@st.net.au> wrote: > does anyone know if a photo of the old Orokonui Home at Waitati, out from > Dunedin exists. I have searched google, archives and timeline etc with no > success on finding a photo of the actual home. > > I have a young person (husbands side of family) who was only 17yrs old when > he died of epilepsy and cardiac failure in 1930 while living in the home. > > > > I know many of these common ailments of today were not treated like they > are > today and it was a real shame to see a young 17yr in such a home. I have > found a headstone for him at the Waitati Cemetery and on my recent visit > took some photos, but would be nice to have a photo of the home as it was > back then or around that sort of date. > > It is nice that it is now a eco-Sanctuary. > > > > regards Ailsa > > > > Ailsa Corlett > > ailsa@st.net.au > > http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa > > alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: > > ailsacorlett@gmail.com > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You asked for ideas. The plot deepens. You never know what you will unearth! Did John Daley die in 1869 or did he run to ?Melbourne? There is a high proportion of 'no finds' with reported births and deaths at sea. It is more romantic to have been born on board ship than in a busy port, and the same seems to apply to deaths at sea. https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/ 1863 Louisa Hill married John Daley 1865 Daley James John born to Louisa and John Daley 1867 Daley Charles Henry born to Louisa and John Daley 1869 Daley NR born to Louisa and William Daley [sic] 1870 Daley Williams Nabbs born Parents Louisa and William Daley [sic] 1879 Louisa Daley married William Nabbs Don't believe everything recorded on official documents or in the newspaper. Reading between the lines Louisa had two babies out of wedlock and the one child was registered William Nabbs Daley, that was not unusual for a child to be registered with the name of the real father as the Christian names. False info given for father's surname. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=DOM19110626.2.94 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=ODT19110629.2.41 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=FS19110626.2.8 Dominion, Volume 4, Issue 1163, 26 June 1911, Page 9 In the Early Days With the death of Mrs. Nabbs, which took place recently at Pirongia, a link was broken with the very early days of New Zealand's history. She was the first white girl born in the Auckland provines, though fourth in the list of births, as she had been preceded by three- boys. Seventy years ago, on March 17 (St. Patrick's Day), her parents, Mr. and Mrs. Charles Hill, settled in Auckland. [Came from Gloucester to sydney about 74 years ago. >From Sydney they came over to Russell to settle down and moved to Auckland on 17th march (St. patrick's Day, 70 years ago. It was on the 28th August following that the daughter Louisa was born] On August 28, their daughter Louisa (Mrs. Nabbs) was born in a raupo whare. Lady Hobson was at that time in Auckland and personally interested herself in the welfare of the child. She was baptised in a raupo church, the forerunner of St. Paul's, by the Rev. Mr. Churton and twenty-two years later, married to John Daley, of the Waikato Militia, at old St. Mary's, Mr. Churton again officiating. Mrs. Daley, with her husband went to Pirongia to live, and eighteen years [ sic: months] later their first child was born, [ James John Daley] he being the first boy born within the boundaries of the Pirongia township or settlement. After the death of her husband, John Daley, who was lost at sea, Mrs. Daley [a widow with two small boys] married Sergeant William Nabbs, of the Sixtieth King's Royal Rifles, also of the Waikato militia, and after living at Pirongia for some little time they bought land at Mangapiko, being the first residents in that district. Mrs. Nabbs was again widowed, and at the time of her death, was living with her daughter, Mrs. Lowe, at Pirongia. Te Awamutu Museum, Waikato Nabbs, William Details of Colour Sergeant William Nabbs. Copies of personal references. Parchment certificate. Includes photographs (5) of medals obtained while in service. Areas: Managapiko Ohaupo. Dates covered: 1862 - 1862 Auckland Libraries Record ID 84602 Source Reference file 294, Location ARC Reference File ASK AT DESK, Abstract Family tree of the descendants of Charles Hill and Harriet Viner who came to New Zealand in 1840, and to Auckland on the 'Anna Watson' 15 September 1840. Subjects Hill, Charles, d.1844; Austin, Harriet, (formerly Hill, nee Viner), d.1882; Hill, Charles Viner, 1838-1922; Hill, John William, d.1841; Nabbs, Louisa, (formerly Daley, nee Hill), 1841-1911; Hill, Henry Richard, 1842-; Family history; Anna Watson (Ship); Settlers Record ID 54601 Title Roll of Honour of Pioneer Women Author Ellen Melville & Pioneer Women's Memorial Hall Committee Source New Zealand Pioneers' and Descendants' Club (Inc) 1947 N 1 Location Family History 2 NZL SET AKD - ASK AT DESK, Notes First marriage to Daley. Subjects Hill, Louisa; Nabbs, Louisa, (formerly Daley, nee Hill), 1841-1911 From: truelearner@ihug.co.nz Subject: [nz] John Daley Death in 1869 Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:21:28 +1300 I have in one of my families John DALEY who married Louisa HILL in 1863. Two children born between 1865 & 1867 & then in 1870 a child by the name William Nabbs Daley to Louisa & William. This child, I am picking is really from the 2nd marriage for Louisa as John Daley had died in 1869. The second marriage was to William NABBS in 1879. I then located a write up for Louisa's death & in it it stated that John died from drowning at sea, but I cannot on Archway find a coroner's report, nor any write up on papers past. I have not sent for the death certificate yet for John but may have to to find out anything else on it. Would it be common not to have a coroners report at the time? Children from the second marriage between Louisa & William NABBS have birth years 1872, 1875, 1881, 1883 & 1897. William NABBS died in 1887 aged 62. Louisa NABBS died in 1911. The dates from the article don't seem to add up as her marriages were in 1863 & 1879 (going from Births, Deaths & Marriages) yet the article states that "Mr Daley was lost at sea two years after the first child was born, leaving her with 2 small boys. In the following year she married Sergeant William Nabbs of the 60th Kings Royal Rifles" Maybe I am looking at this puzzle the wrong way & missing something? Any ideas greatly appreciated.

does anyone know if a photo of the old Orokonui Home at Waitati, out from Dunedin exists. I have searched google, archives and timeline etc with no success on finding a photo of the actual home. I have a young person (husbands side of family) who was only 17yrs old when he died of epilepsy and cardiac failure in 1930 while living in the home. I know many of these common ailments of today were not treated like they are today and it was a real shame to see a young 17yr in such a home. I have found a headstone for him at the Waitati Cemetery and on my recent visit took some photos, but would be nice to have a photo of the home as it was back then or around that sort of date. It is nice that it is now a eco-Sanctuary. regards Ailsa Ailsa Corlett ailsa@st.net.au http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: ailsacorlett@gmail.com

Hi List, I am trying to help a friend with her genealogy. She is trying to find information on a Tommy Wallace bn about 1930-33 she doesn't know where. His mothers name is Parekahu Wallace, father unknown. Any help would be much appreciated. Barbara -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 8472 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

How would you best  show, death, funeral & burial dates. My dad died 27/09/1994, Funeral was 10/10/1994, but the burial (gravsatt in swedish) was not until 24/05/1995. just interested in how you all show it. Thanks Helene

Please does anyone in Christchurch live in the vicinity of the Waimairi Cemetery or happen to be going that way, who could photograph a grave for me? Details off list Kind regards Mary Inglewood

Just trying to get my head round this a man married twice and his second wife was the daughter of the son of his first wife’s father would she be described as his niece by marriage -- or as what? Rowan Gibbs

Yes, that's an option too, Bill. Still the same in Legacy v8. :-) You have choices here, and which is the right one depends on what you want as an outcome. Using the nickname feature (putting the "known as" name in quote in the Given names field) gives you options when reporting to use it or drop it as you wish, namely "Use quoted names for narratives" and "Remove quoted names". Putting a name in the AKA (also known as) field gives you different options when reporting. It also gives you the ability to have that name appear as a separate entry in the Name List (if you have Include Alternate Names selected in the Options there). My personal choice - which may or may not suit others - is to put a nickname in the Given name field along with the name given at birth (or the name I've found, if not from a birth record) as I demonstrated in my earlier post. If I find significant changes in the name elsewhere, I'll enter an AKA as well. I don't usually enter a nickname as an AKA, unless I find that person used it in place of their full name in records. But that's my choice, not necessarily right or wrong for someone else's database. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy ***Please reply to the list*** bill girling said the following on 15/06/2014 09:15: > I use legacy 7 which has an "aka" option Happy hunting. Bill > >