Hi Christine, Take a look at https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ For more recent events, there are older annual indexes on microfiche, which you may find at at genealogy group or library near you - try your State Library, too. When you're ready to start buying copies of registrations, always get the printout and not the legal certificate for family history purposes. http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/ is another excellent site, similar to Trove in Australia. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy Christine Anderson said the following on 9/07/2014 17:24: > Hello All, are there any online searchable Indexes for BDM for N.Z , probably South Island around 1860’s to 1920? > Many Thanks, Chris in Western Australia, P.S I do not have ancestry.com.

Hi Chris, https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/ Ray On 9/07/2014 3:24 PM, Christine Anderson wrote: > Hello All, are there any online searchable Indexes for BDM for N.Z , probably South Island around 1860’s to 1920? > Many Thanks, Chris in Western Australia, P.S I do not have ancestry.com. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Patsy Haven't heard that you have had a reply, so here it is. Heather Tauranga O'Neils Point cemetery (fiche) Jane Ann EVANS died 18 Feb. 1919 aged 68 years, wife of Harold; also Joseph Harold EVANS her husband died 3 May 1926 aged 79 years. -----Original Message----- From: Patsy Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 4:14 PM To: new-zealand@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] MI transcript please Hi listers I dont suppose there is anyone going anywhere near O'Neils Point cemetery in the near future?? Would love a transciption of the headstone for the following if possible please Jane Ann Evans age 68 cemetery O'neils Point Row X Plot 114 many thanks Patsy The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, are there any online searchable Indexes for BDM for N.Z , probably South Island around 1860’s to 1920? Many Thanks, Chris in Western Australia, P.S I do not have ancestry.com.

Thanks to some kind people with their assistance, I have managed to find Shirley. Many thanks Les

Hi listers I dont suppose there is anyone going anywhere near O'Neils Point cemetery in the near future?? Would love a transciption of the headstone for the following if possible please Jane Ann Evans age 68 cemetery O'neils Point Row X Plot 114 many thanks Patsy

Hi Listers Anyone going to Auckland archives who could photograph the following please? Just a pic of the actual Will and anything that mentions the childrens names would be wonderful McDICKEN Agnes Graham - Mangere - Widow (R13100194) 1977 - 1977 Item ID Agency Series Accession Record group Box / Item Sep Record no. Part Alternative no. Record type R13100194 BBAE 1570 A645 2957 / P3491/1977 thanks heaps Happy to reciprocate here in Christchurch Patsy

My gt gt grandmother, according to her gravestone, died in 1870 or perhaps 1879 - there is a Ann McKenzie died 1870 but she is too young, only 37 and according to gravestone gt gt grandmother was 68 ( she was supposedly born 1802) There is an Annie McKenzie died 1879, so perhaps that's her. She died in Waipu and would be Ann or Annie McKenzie. Assistance would be much appreciated. Regards Jan

http://www.familytreecircles.com/mckenzies-buried-in-dunedin-cemeteries-new-zealand-20039.html On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Jan Moon <janmoon52@hotmail.com> wrote: > I sent for this death entry, but it’s not the one I thought it was. Is > this lady on anyone’s tree, or is there a repository for orphan > certificates? > > Regards > > Jan Moon > > > > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen, You came In came in loud and clear. Heather Tauranga -----Original Message----- From: Helen Mcnamara Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 4:45 PM To: NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [nz] Kay /Roger NOTT Hi, If you are reading this can you contact me please Thanks Helen McNamara The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You could use Alt and Print screen or use a snipping tool to capture the pages you want. http://web.archive.org/web/20120313021001/http://freeholders.co.nz/ Olwyn http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/freeholders.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/automotive-transport/aviation/auction-750499214.htm Aviation Photo: WW1 KIWI PILOTS? Buckley and his mechanic W. Harrington W. "Bill" Harrington When was he born? Who were his parents? http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/images/Buckley.png he is in the middle. Maurice William Buckley (1895 - 1956) s/o of Mr F. H. Buckley, Fairlie is on the left. http://f1.ehive.com/3031/1/15nqb09_5jv2_l.jpg http://preview.tinyurl.com/nv2dwfu Thanks Olwyn Nervous country man gets on plane. Asks if it goes to Timaru. Pilot replies 'Yes, what street?'

http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/automotive-transport/ships-boats/auction-750394258.htm WW2 RNZN Original 1: 4a Sigs Draft Fayid ALL NAMED 4A Sigs. Draft RNZN Taken at HMS Phoenix, Fayid, Egypt. Front left: G.K. Lang, J.J. Noble, D.G. Graham Middle Row: R.O.F. Johnson, G.D. McLennan, Dunedin, J.W. Aitken, W.G. Meer, C.W.C. Dickson, Palmerston Nth, J.M. McGregor, Nelson, E.W. Nelson, Gisborne. Front row: D.P. Bardsley, Mosgiel, G.P.C. Ashford, H.W. Moor, K. Wilson, I.H. McConchie, I.M. Inglis Back row: R. Coleman, H. M. Lambert, J, Franklin, D. G. Herock, T.K. Hooker, Auckland The same lister also has WW2 pilot Betty Keith-Jopp flying a Harvard 1945 WW2 pilot Ann Blackwell flying a Typhoon. WW2 pilot Joan Hughes with a Short Stirling SS Kapanui which later burnt in Warkworth 1909. 1863 WAGON TRAIL TO OTAGO GOLDFIELDS Photo on card NZAF WW2 kiwi trooper from Blenhein (surname: Wiblin). Sketch by Desmond & Hash Ltd. 1910 Photo card: VINTAGE CAR TIRE CHANGE. George Crombie photograhger

Thank you June, that worked great - now is there anyway to print or copy/paste that information into my computer. When I try to print the page disappears. Thank you Angela Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 15:05:05 +1200 From: "J.M.de Montalk" <jeanettedm@slingshot.co.nz> Subject: Re: [nz] The Return of Freeholders 1882 B is on wayback To: "June Keating" <junesgenealogy@yahoo.co.nz>, "Olwyn Whitehouse" <olwynbw@gmail.com>, "new-zealand" <NEW-ZEALAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B0B6E0AEF9114DF89D87A54E35EE6500@conae2b75dbceb> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original June, you have to go to the letter you want, and then to the printed list at the bottom of the page. Click on "Expand" and then use the arrows in the header to move between the pages. Jeanette Have you tried getting to the complete list? I have tried many times without success. Your link only gives the first 25 and last 25. June

Hi All Some of you may be familiar with this service. The NZ Herald has an online listing of recent death notices. The current day is shown and deaths can be searched. I looked at one listed in the last week. http://notices.nzherald.co.nz/obituaries/nzherald-nz/ Cheers Chris Farrington

I’m trying to get my gt gt grandmother’s death printout but there’s a few possible Ann McKenzie’s. Do the rigester no’s hold any clues to the place the event happened? Regards Jan Sent from Windows Mail

I sent for this death entry, but it’s not the one I thought it was. Is this lady on anyone’s tree, or is there a repository for orphan certificates? Regards Jan Moon Sent from Windows Mail

Hi, If you are reading this can you contact me please Thanks Helen McNamara

Hi all, It was good to get the names of Officers and Crew of the Achilles. My uncle Walter Kivell was an able seaman aboard the Achilles’ The following might be of interest to some: Walter Henry Kivell born at Petone 1914. Walter joined the Navy in his teens and was on board the Achilles in December of 1939 when the German Battleship Graf Spee was scuttled in the River Plate. GRAF SPEE SCUTTLED FALSE RADIO MESSAGE TRIED TO FOOL ACHILLES SEAMAN INTERVIEWED How through a cunning ruse, the Admiral Graf Spee tried to divert H.M.S. Achilles from the running fight as she fled into the River Plate to find refuge for her battle scarred hull at Montevideo, was revealed by Able Seaman W. Kivell, at present on leave from the Achilles, in the course of an interview with a Daily News reporter at Hawera. Another little known feature of the engagement revealed by Able Seaman Kivell was that for several hours many aboard the Achilles were under the impression that they were fighting the Admiral Scheer, the Admiral Graf Spee’s sister ship. Able Seaman Kivell is a son of Mrs H.M. Wills Hawera. Called from his bed in the forecastle to his station in the B gun turret, that is the second turret forward, shortly after 6 am on the day of the fight, Able Seaman Kivell said that he and his mates were told that the fight was with the Admiral Scheer, a sister ship of the Admiral Graf Spee and almost identical in appearance. Like the majority of a warship’s complement during an engagement, Able Seaman Kivell and his companions did not sight the enemy. Shut away in the armour- plated gun turret they went about their deadly work, taking orders from the control tower, and firing as ordered. Throughout the day, and well into the night the men remained at their stations in the turret, each busy with his appointed task - all the while thinking that their efforts were intended for the Admiral Scheer. Then, late at night, as the Admiral Graf Spee was relentlessly pursued into the entrance to the River Plate, she wirelessed the Achilles, saying that she had sunk a British merchant ship, which had been in the vicinity some time in the forenoon - would the Achilles pick up the survivors? The message was cited as coming from the Admiral Graf Spee, and it was then that the men knew that they had been fighting the Admiral Graf Spee. But the Achilles did not turn back, the Ajax ensuring the message was false. Describing the impressions of the fight, Able Seaman Kivell said that when the engagement opened the Achilles was firing at the enemy at a range of about seven miles, but later this was reduced to about five - a more effective range for the guns of the lighter British ships. Speaking of the inglorious end of the German pocket battleship, Able Seaman Kivell said that the Achilles and other British vessels, in the belief that the Admiral Graf Spee would fight, were waiting outside the River Plate in battle formation. When the news was received that the Admiral Graf Spee had sealed her own doom, the Achilles and other vessels went closer towards the scene to see the ship burning fiercely after being blown up. Able Seaman Kivell, who has 14 days leave from his ship is a married man with one child, and had been in the navy for a number of years prior to joining the Achilles. When H.M. S. Diomede left the New Zealand station in 1935 in the course of an errand during the Abyssinian trouble, Able Seaman Kivell was aboard , finally leaving the ship in England, where he joined the new Achilles. He has been on the Achilles ever since. Able Seaman Kivell had some of his schooling at Hawera. Although he subsequently worked at Stratford and Eltham, he entered the naval service from Hawera. An article from the TARANAKI DAILY NEWS Flora Chisnall

I found the item in the next paragraph in 2005 on maori.org.nz. I suppose that it is still there. It may help in working out relationships for you. “ With the arrival of the Pakeha, they introduced surnames. However, in the 1800's to the early 1900's, Maori developed their own system, and that was for their surname they would take the first name of their father. This happened for a few generations, in the 1800's, so in order to find your tupuna, always look for the first name as a surname. The following example shows how the surnames could change over time. NOTE: The following example is not a known whakapapa, it has been created to show how the naming conventions work. Each line represents a person, a child of the previous person on the line above. Ariki (born in 1700's - only one name) Maunga Ariki (born in early 1800's takes father's name as surname) Waiora Maunga Te Awa Waiora Waipapa Te Awa Hone Te Awa * (born in mid 1900's) Changing of names also still occurred because of events and circumstances. For example, the brothers Nene and Patuone who were born in the 1700's did not have a surname. Nene was baptised after Thomas Walker a local trader, but kept his name and became known as - Tamati Waka Nene. His brother, Patuone, kept his name and was baptised as Eruera Maihi Patuone. Both born of the same parents, but with different last names. During this time also, some Maori started having a Pakeha name, as well as the Maori version of that name and their own Maori name. If we take Hone Te Awa * in our whakapapa example above, he could also be known as John Te Awa, Hone River, John River, Hone Waipapa Te Awa or John Waipapa Te Awa. All of the above applies also to women. Women also kept their "surnames" and did not change them when getting married. When we are talking in our whanau about whakapapa, and talk about our grandmother (born in the 1800's) we refer to her by her "maiden name" and never with the surname of our grandfather.” My own interest in Whakapapa is as follows: Waikaukau EWAI, born c1840 lived in Ahipara and produced 10 children with partner Edward Sydney (Ned) Yates, the son of a Jewish solicitor, born c 1833 in London . I have been given the names and reputed dates of birth for all of them, although I do think that Huria and Julia are probably the same person. The third child of Waikaukau and Ned, “Our” Julia Yates, born about 1867-1870 married John Richard BOWMAN Junior at St Saviour’s in Kaitaia on 13 October 1890 and this couple are my husband’s grandparents. Ned YATES had a sister Julia (Mrs Davis), born c 1831 in London and his brother Samuel of Parengarenga NZ, also had a daughter called Julia born c1884 in NZ, so we have to take care to ensure that any information found is about the “correct” Julia. Yates. Egerton YATES, Waikaukau’s youngest child, is reputed to have told his daughter Rona COLLINS that his mother’s iwi was Ngati Kuri and there was mention of Te Rarawa as a sub-tribe. We have never been able to verify any of the information in this paragraph, although a cousin did go to ‘the marae’, but obtained no ‘further information. Age and health probably prevents me delving any further, other than on my computer. Any help or further information will be gratefully received. Desma Bowman On 3/07/2014, at 9:53 AM, truelearner@ihug.co.nz wrote: > > Apologies to start with if I cannot explain myself too well. I do not > wish to offend anyone just trying to understand how I as the european > side of the family can follow through on the Maori side, without turning > totally grey. > > My Gundry family starting with William Richardson GUNDRY second > marriage to Margaret (Makareta) RAUTANGI. Some of their children married > into Maori families - for example William John Gundry married Keterina > TAKOTO. When I start searching for their siblings etc I often find them > with two 'names' at various stages, a european & a maori (so I always > have to think outside of the square say Katrinia, catherine etc & with > different spellings). When using the maori name they seem to change it > around eg the surname becomes their first name, or it is something > totally different altogether. > How can I understand who I am looking for & more importantly where do I > start looking for them. They don't often show up under NZ Births Deaths > & marriages with the maori name but I know of their existence through > other family members. Sometimes they didn't take on the Maori form of > their name until the european parent had passed on, was this common? > I did find a site on line, but feel embarrassed that I may not be > explaining myself correctly that I haven't asked this question on line > (mind you the site asked more of where they originated from & then went > into details that way) > This type of 'mystery' isn't just on one side of the family, but I have > used this line as my bases. > > My question is: Is there an easy/simple way of understanding the naming > pattern for the Maori side of the family? > > Barbara