Hi Pam BDMs at sea are found in separate GRO (General Register Office, England & Wales) indices - namely (I think) because the emigrant ships were registered in Britain, supposedly all through Lloyds. Registers were kept by the ships' captains and submitted on their return to Britain. GRO BMD indices are online through FindMyPast: Your Thomas has been mistranscribed as TOLENDEN. Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Transcription First name(s) Thomas Last name Tolenden Gender Male Birth year - Death year 1874 Death date 8 Apr 1874 Age 20 Cause of death Erysipelas of leg Vessel name Halcione Country Great Britain Archive Reference BT 158 Box 4 and 5 Page 246 (left) Record set Deaths at sea, 1781-1968 Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom Presumably this voyage was bringing immigrants as part of the Vogel immigration scheme. If so, you may well be able to find a little more information from the Surgeon's report in ArchivesNZ. (There may be other files pertaining to the voyage, too). IM (Immigration files) Passenger list here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/Halcione1874.htm Reference: Archives New Zealand IM15/120 Archives New Zealand IM 5/4/9 No 96 Hawkes Bay Herald July 7th 1874 Newspaper report here (Thomas reported as TAMDEN): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ourstuff/ArrivalHalcione18 74.htm Will email you a copy of the original death entry from FMP. HTH Blanche Charles Kapiti Coast (Wellington) New Zealand NORTON Family History Unlimited http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/indexdby.htm Stapenhill Online Resources http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/StapOPC.htm East Midlands General Baptist History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 , LittleMiracles <[email protected]>, wrote: Thomas Idenden died on board the Halcione between England Mar 24 1874 and Napier 10 July 1874. Have checked the English BDM and the New Zealand ones and can't find him. Is there a special file some where that covers those that die at sea. The Captain of the Halcione also died, in the report on arrival in Napier the paper stated he was buried at sea. Nothing about Idenden except he died. Any help would be appreciated Pam ------------------------------

There is more information about this voyage and the deaths on Papers Past, which you might have seen. Newspapers <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers> Hawke's Bay Times <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/hawke-s-bay-times> 7 July 1874 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/hawke-s-bay-times/1874/7/7> Page 278 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/hawke-s-bay-times/1874/7/7/2> Maybe the death was registered in India? Someone else might know more about where and how deaths at sea are registered. Another source might be newspapers in Thomas' home town, where an obituary might have been published. Susan Wann On Tuesday, November 8, 2016, LittleMiracles <[email protected]> wrote: > I tried to send this many weeks ago but it didn't go through. > Others seem to have been lucky so see if I can too > > > > > Thomas Idenden died on board the Halcione between England Mar 24 1874 and > Napier 10 July 1874. > > Have checked the English BDM and the New Zealand ones and can't find him. > > Is there a special file some where that covers those that die at sea. The > Captain of the Halcione also died, in the report on arrival in Napier the > paper stated he was buried at sea. Nothing about Idenden except he died. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Pam > > > >

For BAI Venton Lawrence, The Dominion Post28 Sep 2016 NZ Herald28 Sep 2016 I have the part one from Dominion Post but need the names of family and any other details Cheers Jenny

Hi Ron, Rootsweb have been doing some major maintenance work on their servers, and it has been a long, slow, painful process affecting more than just the lists. The lists are coming back online now as the server they're hosted on is ready. I'm guessing that not all List Owners/Admins of the Rootsweb lists are aware of what has been happening. They don't all subscribe to the Listowners' mailing list, and that list, like all the others, has been offline for a time. That one is now working, too. Another avenue of information, which is independent and therefore not affected by the maintenance work, is Rootsweb's Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/17834741205/ People ask genealogy questions there, but it has also been a place to keep in touch with one another about Rootsweb itself. Hope this helps. :-) Kind Regards, Wendy (Not the admin for this list, but an admin for others) Ravenstone wrote on 6/11/2016 16:28: > Hi List, > > For nearly 18 months I have not had any access to any of the 20 + > Lists that > I was subscribed to. > Over this period of time I have had many reasons told to me, as why I > could > not Post to any Lists, a book on this would fill volumes. > When I saw the first message come onto the New Zealand List, I contact > the > Manager of Rootsweb to let them know that I was receiving messages. > The Manager advised me that they were bringing back on line, List by > List. > So this may take sometime. > Todate I can only see the following Lists :- New Zealand, Leicester, > London, > Bristol and Districts, New Zealand Memories, and Kent. > > If anyone has more updates, I would like to hear from them. The reason > for > this, is that over a the 18 months, various Admins have tried to help > resolve this problem, and they have reset the pass word that I was using. > Now the only way I will know if I can post a message, is if someone > tells me that particular List is working, and I can not post a message > to it. > > This message will be posted to all the above Lists. > > Cheers > > Ron > > Glad to be back.

Received Ron -----Original Message----- From: Ravenstone Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:28 PM To: List - NZ Messages Subject: [nz] Information Hi List, For nearly 18 months I have not had any access to any of the 20 + Lists that I was subscribed to. Over this period of time I have had many reasons told to me, as why I could not Post to any Lists, a book on this would fill volumes. When I saw the first message come onto the New Zealand List, I contact the Manager of Rootsweb to let them know that I was receiving messages. The Manager advised me that they were bringing back on line, List by List. So this may take sometime. Todate I can only see the following Lists :- New Zealand, Leicester, London, Bristol and Districts, New Zealand Memories, and Kent. If anyone has more updates, I would like to hear from them. The reason for this, is that over a the 18 months, various Admins have tried to help resolve this problem, and they have reset the pass word that I was using. Now the only way I will know if I can post a message, is if someone tells me that particular List is working, and I can not post a message to it. This message will be posted to all the above Lists. Cheers Ron Glad to be back. The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Ron, There is a probate file for Harry Weston STRETTON at the Auckland office of Archives New Zealand. It may mention any children. https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ It's free to walk in to the Archives office where a file is being held, and request to view it. If there are any restrictions (which there aren't on this file), you'll need to comply with any requirements first. If you can't go yourself, a friend could go for you and take photos. You can also ask here on this list and someone may be able to visit for you. There is also a divorce file at the Auckland office, for Harry and Gladys Isabell Stretton in 1954 or 1955 (the file carries both dates). Harry and Gladys Isabell HUGHES married in 1925 (NZSG Marriages disk). This divorce file is restricted. Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Ray Rob wrote on 4/11/2016 08:16: > Hi Ron , > > There appears to be no children registered to these two couples . at least > up until 100 years ago ! > > Sydney Sturges Stretton and Mary Ann Stretton are buried at Rangataua > Cemetery ( Wanganui District ) > They are listed on Find a Grave where you can request a photo of the > gravestone which may > indicate any children . > > As for Harry Weston Stretton , he is buried at Waikumete Cemetery , died > 1955 aged 88 . > Maybe you could enquire there ? > > > Good Luck , > Ray > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:47 AM, Ravenstone <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> Harry Weston STRETTON married Mary Ann HOUGHTON on the 8 October 1898 at >> the >> Registrar Office, Auckland, New Zealand. Did they have any children. >> >> Sydney Sturgess STRETTON married Mary Ann BENNETT on the 17 June 1912 at >> the >> Registrar Office, Auckland, New Zealand. Did they have any children. Both >> of >> these STRETTON's were children of Samuel STRETTON and Kate BIRCH. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ron

I am going through some of my grandmother’s possessions and have two photos of Reverend Hugh Kelly who married my grandparents in Parnell in Auckland in 1908. From hunting on Google he appears to have worked as a minister/parson in several parts of NZ and was born in Ireland in 1856. I have no wish to keep the photos - free to a good home if anyone wants them. One is taken when he looks middle aged and the second has been cut from a newspaper when he was a lot older. Sue Thomas Nelson

Hi Ron , There appears to be no children registered to these two couples . at least up until 100 years ago ! Sydney Sturges Stretton and Mary Ann Stretton are buried at Rangataua Cemetery ( Wanganui District ) They are listed on Find a Grave where you can request a photo of the gravestone which may indicate any children . As for Harry Weston Stretton , he is buried at Waikumete Cemetery , died 1955 aged 88 . Maybe you could enquire there ? Good Luck , Ray On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:47 AM, Ravenstone <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List, > > Harry Weston STRETTON married Mary Ann HOUGHTON on the 8 October 1898 at > the > Registrar Office, Auckland, New Zealand. Did they have any children. > > Sydney Sturgess STRETTON married Mary Ann BENNETT on the 17 June 1912 at > the > Registrar Office, Auckland, New Zealand. Did they have any children. Both > of > these STRETTON's were children of Samuel STRETTON and Kate BIRCH. > > Cheers > > Ron > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi There, Would it be possible for some one to kindly look up the followimg death notices. James William PARKER died 18 August 2000 Florence Agnes REED died 10 January 2001 Thank you in advance Regards Eileen Christchurch Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Thanks to all those who have helped so far with my quest to find out who the badge belonged to. There are so many possibilities - I just wish I had asked my granny when she was alive. The NZ Rifle hat badge may be a red herring but I doubt whether she would have hung onto it all her life if it was just given to her by someone without a close connection and I doubt whether she would have been given it unless it was from someone that died. I’ve just guessed it may be from her dead fiancee. Would his effects have been sent to her after his death? I’ve hunted through the Birmingham newspapers and like someone suggested there don’t appear to be engagement notices and during war time there would have been likely to have been even less. Her father was a clerk so I’ve assumed from not a very well off family who during war time may not have been able to publish engagement notices because of the cost. The Ormond connection may be completely wrong too - may be through her Toch work she met someone with the surname Ormond and they offered to help her and her new fiancee emigrate to NZ. The fact that the only Ormond who was killed in World War 1 was not in the Dinks makes me think that she would not have been engaged to him - the Ormond fatality seems to have come from a well off family and I’m sure we would have known if my granny was engaged to someone with potential wealth. When I did the family history of my grandparents I did find an address for the Ormond my grandfather worked for and I’m sure it was in the North Island and from a vague memory I thought it was somewhere in the middle of the North Island. I know there was bridge building involved but as it is years ago I have forgotten not only the detail but where I got the name Ormond from and where I have put the notes I made at the time. My grandfather was an assisted immigrant in I think 1920 or 1921 and m! y grandmother came out later as she was pregnant at the time and pregnant women were not allowed to emigrate. She emigrated about a year later with my infant mother. I did ask her why she chose to emigrate to NZ and she told me that she hated the smog in Birmingham - whenever you hung up washing it went grey with soot smuts and it caused your chest to hurt when you walked outside at night. There was no mention then of the first fiancee - that was information my mother gave me many years ago. I do know for definite that Granny was engaged twice - she had 2 engagement rings and seemed disappointed when I chose the ring my grandfather had given to her rather than the one her first fiancee had given her - she said the first one was worth a lot more money but the connection was the important thing to me - my grandfather was a very special person in my life and it gave me an ongoing connection with him. I wear the ring a lot. So please keep up the ideas - I’d love to know who the poor man was who’s hat badge we now treasure and have mounted with Granny’s other badges next to her photo wearing her Womens Auxiliary uniform. It would be nice to remember him with a name. Sue Thomas

Finally messages from 24th Sept came in this morning... but what I find odd, I get several messages back from early Sept from a Cynthia McCaughan now I dont email her, she must see the messages as her emails one with Bideford on and the other one Cuba Street Circuit but on the message from her, puzzles me... We are away from 1st Sept to 30th Sept... but still no message at all.. is her computer doing this automatically?? the other one was for the heading with Harrison on... her actual words are Hi we are away overseas from 1-30 September kind regards..... odd? I have no idea who they are and if they have vital information for me or not! Intrigued.. Adele -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

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Hello Sue It's a big challenge that you pose - trying to identify the NZ soldier who was the fiancé of your English grandmother before he was killed in WW1. I haven't seen any responses thus far so thought I'd have a bit of a look this evening. I may be 'way off beam' in these ideas but who knows, perhaps they will lead onto something more fruitful for you. You mention that your English grandfather was sponsored by a North Island farmer, '..... ORMOND'. There were only 52 people with that surname on the Electoral Roll in 1919 and most, if not all, of those people were members of the same large, extended family. So it's a fair bet that your grandparents' sponsor was one of that family. The ORMOND surname is well known in eastern parts of the North Island, especially throughout Hawkes Bay, Gisborne and up the east coast, north of Gisborne and the family were major land-owners in those areas. There is even a settlement called Ormondville, near Dannevirke. The Ministry of Culture & Heritage's website - nzhistory.net.nz has an extensive set of NZ War Memorials. Unfortunately the photo of the Ormondville War Memorial Hall does not show a plaque with names. However the Ormond Memorial Chapel, Napier looks more promising. This imposing chapel (the former Napier Grammar School) was gifted to the Napier Cathedral parish by Miss Fanny Ormond in Sept 1919 in memory of her nephew, Alexander Ormond who was KIA in France on 30 Sept 1916 http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/ormond-memorial-chapel-napier Alexander ORMOND (1890-1916) was the son of George Canning ORMOND (1861-1939) and grandson of John Davies ORMOND (c1832-1917). The probates of both JD Ormond & his son GC Ormond make very interesting reading; this was a wealthy and successful family. Alexander ORMOND was clearly a very able and talented young man who had already achieved much in his life by the time he was killed in WW1 http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/photo/alexander-ormond As you can see, Alexander was born, raised and educated in NZ and then went to England (as a civilian) in 1915 where he enlisted in the British Army. So he appears on the CWGC site as a British casualty rather than a NZ one. The Ormond family obviously thought highly of Alexander - just look at the size of that chapel in Napier and at the contents of his grandfather's will. That family certainly had the financial resources to sponsor a married couple to come out from England. Perhaps your grandfather's clerical skills were put to use in the family's wider business, property management and horse-racing interests rather than using him as a farm worker. This still leaves the big question - what was the connection between your English grandparents and the Ormond family in NZ? Although Alexander himself might have been the first fiancé, a much more likely scenario could be that the first fiancé was a friend of Alexander's either from school days at Wanganui Collegiate or university days at Canterbury Agricultural College (now Lincoln University). Friendships formed at school/university are often very significant. With Alexander & his friend both killed in the war, perhaps the Ormonds wanted to mark that special friendship by bringing your grandparents to NZ. Both Wanganui Collegiate & Lincoln College have Rolls of Honour. Those lists may include men who served in the NZ Rifle Brigade and were killed. Perhaps one of them will be the mystery first fiancé. Lincoln College Roll of Honour https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19240814.2.12 Wanganui Collegiate Roll of Honour http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sooty/wcollegiateww1.html However, what if the first fiancé was not in the NZ Rifle Brigade? In looking at the Lincoln College website, I found a photo of the eight young men who were Agricultural Diploma Recipients in 1913. http://livingheritage.lincoln.ac.nz/nodes/view/4108 Alexander ORMOND is in that photo, standing right next to him is John Alexander McQUEEN - those two young men obviously knew each other and may have become good friends at university. John Alexander McQUEEN, MC, 8/602, was killed in action on 11 December 1917, and buried in the Menin Road Cemetery, Belgium. His WW1 file on Archway is remarkably thin, especially for someone awarded a Military Cross, however it says that he left NZ with the Main Body on 16 October 1914. This means he was overseas for three years before he died; presumably this was long enough to meet a young woman in England and become engaged. Although there is no 'guarantee' on the matter, there seems a relatively strong case to be made for this man being the mystery first fiancé. Otherwise, you could try writing to the descendants of the ORMOND sponsor and/or to the relatives of John Alexander McQUEEN to see what light they can shed on things for you. I may be way off beam - but hope these thoughts help in some way. Best of luck Angela This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. For more info visit www.bullguard.com

Hi Chris If you put Margaret Doreen CASEY 2010 into Google, the notice should appear. Heather -----Original Message----- From: Chris Kealy Sent: Wednesday, 5 October, 2016 1:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz] Death notice Look up please Wellington newspaper 19 Oct 2010 Casey Hoping that someone could look up a death notice in Wellington newspaper for me please- Margaret Doreen Casey died 16 Oct 2010, Wellington and the death notice, I believe, appeared 3 days later. Many thanks Chris The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hoping that someone could look up a death notice in Wellington newspaper for me please- Margaret Doreen Casey died 16 Oct 2010, Wellington and the death notice, I believe, appeared 3 days later. Many thanks Chris

Looking for any information on a Robert Henry Henderson who was born Dec 24, 1870 Lisburn, Antrim Northern Ireland . Can anyone help. Many thanks Muriel Sherlock.

Does anyone know any Waters families from Kimbell. I have a 1915 photo to share of Agnes Waters. Please pass on my email address [email protected] Cheers, Olwyn

this is the listing on Trademe thanks, I say Palmerston North not Wellington.. 1170387259 Trader had Wellington I said no... Another postcard said Masterton but its a photograph of Carterton Library so told him the history of our Library, purpose built and still in use today ... love this site, bought many!!! And donated dozens to Carterton District Historical Society as they are all off our area... Thank you everyone. Adele -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Am looking at a Postcard for sale, has on the front a picture of a Church and the *Vicar, Priest or Pastor* then has down the bottom CUBA STREET FRIENDS CIRCUIT, to me it does not look like Wellington which Trader has on it... I wondered about Petone or where in NZ... ideas please... thanks.. get your thinking matter working!!! -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Hi, If anyone is able to help with the above it would be very much appreciated. Please contact me directly for details. Thanks Stan Smith