Thank you for John giving us an update for Archives, but my query is for another office in Wellington, were they affected by the quake... B.D. Marriages Office, as I had until 22 Nov to send a package down, to help them sort out a muddle over a name or two.. long story, but last thing I was told the lady in question to read it all (pages and pages and certificates) had not had time to rad it as yet and this was before Christmas.. I am in hurry for this, as know darn well it will be interesting when its sorted out...then can tell anyone who its about (now deceased) I may take the easy way out and give it to Robert for his website... which I am already doing with other stories.. I couldnt get down to deliver the package in person so it had to go courier to them, but I know they received it.. thanks Adele -- Thanks Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

Arthur Leonard Whitmore Harrington born 17 Nov 1888 Dunedin (need to be verified) married Ellen Amelia Slater in 1915. Surname: Harrington First name(s): Arthur Leonard Whitmore Date of death: Thursday, 19 February 1970 Cemetery: Memorial Park, CHCH Age: 81 years Occupation: Retired Builder Place of birth: Years in New Zealand: 81

My math calculation was way out. About 1% to 2% of names missing or misspelled. Note the pattern of the registration numbers in 1859 to 1862 every third registration number has data. The database programmer left 60% free space so maybe if they miss someone they can put the info into the database. At the moment takes <[email protected]> a week. It helps if you sight the microfiche which is still held at most major libraries and quote the associated folio number. Registered December Quarter 1859 District Key Timaru 297 1859/10227 King John Ingram James (Frances Jane & James Alexander) b. 14 July 1859 1859/10230 Durham Harriett (Harriett & John) 1859/10233 Tripp Charles Howard (Ellen Shephard & Charles George) b. 1 Oct. 1859 1859/10239 Burrage Alice (Sarah & John) 1859/10242 Dunnage NR (Louisa & George) b. 2 Nov. 1859 1859/10245 Vincent Emily Mary (Ellen & John) 1859/10248 Beswick William (Emily & John) b. 1 Nov. 1859 1859/10260 Jones (Sarah Sevecke & William Benjamin) 1859/10265 Kohn Anna Frederica (Catherine Fridricka & Haren Friedrick) 1859/10275 Cox Kate (Mary & Alfred) 1859/10278 Parnham William Edwin (Maria & John) 1859/10302 Cox Marian (Mary & Alfred) Births 1860 Quarters Mar - Dec District Key Timaru 361-368 missing online 361 Dash Eugine Mary 361 1860/10544 Wyatt NR (Charlotte & William) unnamed felmale 361 1860/10547 Butterworth Louisa Evangeline (Emma & William) 363 1860/10550 Browning NR (Mary Jane & John Samuel) unnamed female 363 1860/10553 Maslin Henry Frederick (Charlotte Arabella & Caleb) 363 1860/10556 Webster John Thomas (Hannah & Thomas) 1860/10559 Exley Pheby (Susan & Harpin) 363 1860/10562 Ward Charles Edward (Ellen & John) 365 1860/10565 Macdonald NR (Annie & William Kenneth) unnamed male 1860/10568 Perriman NR (Catherine & Thomas) 365 1860/10571 Hewlings Sara (Nga & Samuel) 365 1860/10574 McIntosh Mary (Mary & Charles) 365 1860/10580 Scarf Eliza (Lettishea & William) 1860/10583 Meredith George (Jessie & George) 1860/10586 Riddell Hellen Louisa Sarah John 367 1860/10589 Clayson Mary Ellen (Elizabeth & Henry) 367 1860/10592 Young Alberta (Emma & John Albert) 367 1860/10595 Knight Cecilia Margaret (Caroline Mary & Henry Alphonse) 367 1860/10601 Burgess John Thomas (George Jane & John) 365 1860/10604 Shepherd Letitia (Frances & James) 367 1860/10607 Allan unnamed male (10 Dec 1860 to Ellinor & William Glover Allen, Royal Hotel, Timaru) 367 1860/10610 Peters Mary Anne (Margaret & William) 1860/10613 Hayman Harriett (Sarah & Henry) 1860/10616 Hammond Mary Louisa (Rebecca & Charles) 1860/10619 Denton Frederick Arthur (Julia & Arthur John) 1860/10622 Skevington Samuel Richardson (Ann Charles) 1860/10625 Hassell Elizabeth Weston Eliza George Births 1861 District Key Timaru 347-354 missing online 347 McKingy unnamed female 347 1861/10622 Worne William John (Isabella & William) 347 1861/10625 O'Brian Michael (Ann Michael) 1861/10628 Vercoe Rhoda Marion (Sarah Ann & John) 347 1861/10631 Webster Faith Angeline (Hannah & Thomas) 347 1861/10634 Fleury Ellen (Ellen & Edward) 1861/10637 Lough Lucy Mary AnnEdwin Henry 1861/10640 Clarke Edith (Mary & John) 1861/10643 Marshall John Thomas (Mary Ann & Robert) 349 1861/10646 Ward William (Elizabeth & Robert) ___ 1861/10649 King William Walter (Frances Jane & James Alexander) b. 19th May 1861 1861/10652 Le Cren Catherine Mary (Margaret Fisher & Henry John) 351 1861/10655 Melton William Henry (Elizabeth & John) 1861/10658 Smith NR Elizabeth Robert 351 1861/10661 Cox George MacPherson (Mary & Alfred) 351 1861/10664 Walden John (Eliza & Henry) 351 1861/10667 Studholme Fanny (Effiegenia Maria Louisa & Michael) 351 1861/10670 Kohn Hermine Johanna (Catherine Margrette Friedricka & Haren Friedrich) 351 1861/10673 Fitch Frederick William (Jane & James Sawyer) 1861/10676 Double Eliza Harriet Robert 352 1861/10679 Mastin Elizabeth Edith (Charlotte & Caleb) 352 1861/10682 Pateson William Alexander (Margaret & Thomas) 352 1861/10685 Waugh Robert (Ann & Thomas) 353 1861/10688 Scarf Walter (Jane & Robert) 353 1861/10691 Beswick Caroline Emily John 1861/10694 Stephenson James (Jean & William) 353 1861/10697 Merry Mary Angelina (Ellen & John) 1861/10700 Hornbrook Alfred Thomas John (Margaret & William) 353 1861/10703 Osborne Walter Harbour (Emma & George) 352 1861/10706 Reilly Henry George (Sarah Ellen Trane & John) 1861/10709 Rodgers John Thomas (Charlotte & Samuel Simpson) 353 1861/10712 Bowles John William (Elizabeth & John Jones) 1861/10715 Bundy Mary Emily (Emily & David) 349 1861/10766 Marshall George Fraser (Jane & George) District key 347 1861/271 Lough Elizabeth Alice (Hariet & Henry) Births 1862 District Key Timaru 385-392 385 1862/12749 Henry Bridget (Ellen & John) {?Heney} 385 1862/12752 Buchanan George (Frances & George) 385 1862/12758 Giles John Edward George (Sarah & John) 385 1862/12764 Cook Anne (Maria & Charles) 1862/12767 McKay Barbara (Isabella & Robert) 386 1862/12770 Wade NR (Emma & Richard) unnamed female 386 1862/12776 Carrington Isabella Margaret (Charlotte & Frederick James) 1862/12779 Simms Ismine Marianne (Frances & William Henry) 1862/12782 Burgess James (George Jane & John) 386 1862/12785 Rhodes George Hampton (Elizabeth & George) 1862/12788 Young Richard William (Emma & John Albert) 387 1862/12791 Jones Alfred John Sevecke (Sarah Sevecke & William Benjamin) 387 1862/12794 Double Alfred Martin (Sarah & William) 387 1862/12797 Weavers Rose Hannah (Susannah & John) 387 1862/12800 Lough Edwin Henry (Mary Ann & Edwin Henry) 1862/12803 Marshall Sarah Ann Lucy (Mary Ann & Robert) 387 1862/12806 Burnett Catherine McKay (Catherine & Andrew) 389 1862/12809 Woollcombe Laura Russell (Frances & Anne Belfield) 389 1862/12812 Foster David William (Sarah & Philip Jarvis) 389 1862/12815 De Saunais Fanny Jessy (Elizabeth & Eugene) 389 1862/12818 1862 389 Bambridge Rosetta Reeve (Charlotte & Augustus) 389 1862/12821 Knight Francis John (Agnes & John Cuthbert) 389 1862/12824 Freeman Amelia (Mary Ann & John William) 389 1862/12827 Allen Annie Gertrude (28 Jun 1862 to Eleanor & William Glover Allen at Royal Hotel, Timaru) d. age 21 390 1862/12833 Popplewell Ellen Amelia (Susannah Elizabeth & Joseph John) 389 1862/12836 Lawrance Henry George (Susan & Frederick John) 390 1862/12842 Greaves Henry Isaac (Susan & Isaac) 1862/12845 Stevenson NR (Catherine & Robert) 1862/12848 Macdonald Evan Macpherson (Annie & William Kenneth) 1862/12851 Hewlings Hugh Frederick (Nga & Samuel) 391 1862/12854 Shaw Annie Jeffery (Louisa Elizabeth & Charles Reginald) 1862/12857 Peters William John (Margaret & William) 1862/12860 Duff William George (Letitia & John Edward) 391 1862/12863 Wilson Eleanor (Jane & John William) 1862/12866 Williams Emma (Mary Ann & Samuel) 1862/12869 Ward Robert William (Elizabeth & Robert) 1862/12872 Nicholas William Thomas (Elizabeth & Richard) 392 1862/12875 Bennett Catherine (Mary & William) 385 1862/16317 Hepworth George (Hannah & John)

What genealogy program are you using? I use Legacy. It does not current support this situation, so you need to make one of the couple the wrong sex and put a note somewhere to say what you've done. You could create an event specifically for this, so that when it can be recorded correctly you can quickly find the relevant couples. Legacy version 9 is in beta-testing now, and will handle same-sex relationships. There is no release date known at this stage, it won't be announced until it is ready to ship. Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Annette McLean wrote on 20/01/2017 15:35: > Hi List > > I was wondering how to enter a same sex marriages into my genealogy > programme. > At present I am putting them into the marriage notes of one of the > partners. Any other ideas? > > Annette >

Can anyone give me some ideas on how to access workhouse entries on the Welsh Census’ please, I never seem to have any success. Jackie

Thanks for letting us know John, good to hear they are opening again. I was there when the earthquake occurred, so my planned week of research went out the window. Need to make new plans for another visit when I can. Nice to also know about the digitised files still going. Keep it up, earthquakes & natural disasters really show how much we do need all our records digitised. Ailsa Ailsa Corlett [email protected] http://home.st.net.au/~ailsa alternative email if having trouble sending to my normal email is: [email protected] >-----Original Message----- >From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:new-zealand- >[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Wilson >Sent: Saturday, 21 January 2017 7:31 AM >To: new-zealand >Subject: [nz] Archives Wellington reopening Tuesday 24th > >Hi All: > >Archives in Wellington is reopening on Tuesday 24 January, having been >closed for some earthquake checking. >http://archives.govt.nz/ > >So a chance for me to get some WWI files digitised. While the NZEF >personnel files in series 18805 have all been digitised, there are some >in series >22525 and 7291 (e.g. Nurses & VADs, members of the permanent force, >members of other forces etc) not digitised. > >Yours, John Wilson > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ZEALAND- >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message

It came to my attention that the online Birth Index is not complete. <I requested them to check their index quoting the microfiche folio number for ___'s birth entry and they advised it was missed out during the transcribing so it is now been included. > https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search So I decided to see if any other names were missing and how many. 15% or more. Interesting to see that there is a pattern with the online registration numbers. Registered December Quarter 1859 District Key Timaru 297 1859/10227 King John Ingram James (Frances Jane & James Alexander) b. 14 July 1859 1859/10233 Tripp Charles Howard (Ellen Shephard & Charles George) b. 1 Oct. 1859 1859/10242 Dunnage NR (Louisa & George) b. 2 Nov. 1859 1859/10248 Beswick William (Emily & John) b. 1 Nov. 1859 1859/10260 Jones (Sarah Sevecke & William Benjamin) 1859/10265 Kohn Anna Frederica (Catherine Fridricka & Haren Friedrick) 1859/10275 Cox Kate (Mary & Alfred) 1859/10302 Cox Marian (Mary & Alfred) Births 1860 Quarters Mar - Dec District Key Timaru 361-368 missing online 367 Allan unnamed male (10 Dec 1860 to W. Allen Royal Hotel, Timaru) missing online 367 Riddle Hellen Louisa missing online 361 Dash Eugine Mary 361 1860/10544 Wyatt NR (Charlotte & William) unnamed felmale 361 1860/10547 Butterworth Louisa Evangeline (Emma & William) 363 1860/10550 Browning NR (Mary Jane & John Samuel) unnamed female 363 1860/10553 Maslin Henry Frederick (Charlotte Arabella & Caleb) 363 1860/10556 Webster John Thomas (Hannah & Thomas) 363 1860/10562 Ward Charles Edward (Ellen & John) 365 1860/10565 Macdonald NR (Annie & William Kenneth) unnamed male 365 1860/10571 Hewlings Sara (Nga & Samuel) 365 1860/10574 McIntosh Mary (Mary & Charles) 365 1860/10580 Scarf Eliza (Lettishea & William) 367 1860/10589 Clayson Mary Ellen (Elizabeth & Henry) 367 1860/10592 Young Alberta (Emma & John Albert) 367 1860/10595 Knight Cecilia Margaret (Caroline Mary & Henry Alphonse) 367 1860/10601 Burgess John Thomas (George Jane & John) 365 1860/10604 Shepherd Letitia (Frances & James) 367 1860/10610 Peters Mary Anne (Margaret & William) Births 1861 District Key Timaru 347-354 missing online 351 Khon Hermine Johanna missing online 347 McKingy unnamed female missing online 351 Macpherson George missing online 347 O'Brien Michael missing online 352 Paterson William Alexander 347 1861/10631 Webster Faith Angeline (Hannah & Thomas) 347 1861/10634 Fleury Ellen (Ellen & Edward) 349 1861/10646 Ward William (Elizabeth & Robert) ___ 1861/10649 King William Walter (Frances Jane & James Alexander) b. 19th May 1861 351 1861/10655 Melton William Henry (Elizabeth & John) 347 1861/10622 Worne William John (Isabella & William) 351 1861/10664 Walden John (Eliza & Henry) 351 1861/10667 Studholme Fanny (Effiegenia Maria Louisa & Michael) 351 1861/10673 Fitch Frederick William (Jane & James Sawyer) 352 1861/10679 Mastin Elizabeth Edith (Charlotte & Caleb) 352 1861/10685 Waugh Robert (Ann & Thomas) 353 1861/10688 Scarf Walter (Jane & Robert) 353 1861/10691 Beswick Caroline Emily John 353 1861/10697 Merry Mary Angelina (Ellen & John) 353 1861/10703 Osborne Walter Harbour (Emma & George) 352 1861/10706 Reilly Henry George (Sarah Ellen Trane & John) 353 1861/10712 Bowles John William (Elizabeth & John Jones) 349 1861/10766 Marshall George Fraser (Jane & George) District key 347 1861/271 Lough Elizabeth Alice (Hariet & Henry)

Hi All: Archives in Wellington is reopening on Tuesday 24 January, having been closed for some earthquake checking. http://archives.govt.nz/ So a chance for me to get some WWI files digitised. While the NZEF personnel files in series 18805 have all been digitised, there are some in series 22525 and 7291 (e.g. Nurses & VADs, members of the permanent force, members of other forces etc) not digitised. Yours, John Wilson

Hi Jackie The people in workhouses were generally enumerated as inmates, pauper or in some cases patients, sometimes by initials only though which can make it difficult to find an individual Those working or looking after the workhouse Master, Matron, Officer or servant etc In a general search just putting keyword Workhouse will find many thousands of hits, in each census you can search for relationship to head of household (ie Pauper) But the better way is to identify the location of the workhouse you are interested in for the period of that census, then go directly to the census year of interest and drill down to the workhouse So for example, using Ancestry for the 1861 census Search the card catalogue for 1861 census, select the Wales 1861 On the right select the county of interest Say you seek the Workhouse in Cardiff 1861 which is in St John Cardiff Select Glamorgan, then Cardiff St John from the Civil Parish drop down menu Scroll down the enumeration districts drop down menu and you will find the Institutions at the end of the list, including the workhouse This may also help http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/workhouse/ I would usually suggest visiting workhouses.org.uk (as does the link above) but it appears to have been hacked although that may be a false report Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 21-Jan-17 12:43 AM, Jackie Walles wrote: > Can anyone give me some ideas on how to access workhouse entries on the Welsh Census’ please, I never seem to have any success. > Jackie

Hi Olwyn I deleted your previous off-line email to me and then suddenly thought about a mis-spelling of the surname on BMD NSW Australia. This is likely her birth.......(note the mis-spelling) https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?13 Kind regards Sandra Melbourne, Vic

Hello All, Does anyone know Ray & Cynthia Nelson? Someone is looking for them from a 2003 posting but their email has bounced. If you do or Ray is still on this list could you please contact me and I will pass on the information. Kind Regards Jenny

I have Family Tree Maker and I just did a test. If you enter a female person and then enter a spouse, the spouse's gender defaults to Male but the system allows you to change it to Female. I am assuming it would also work the other way around. I don't know if this would cause any flow on issues, but someone else who has done this may know. But if the question is whether you want to show a same sex marriage in the first place then I think it is up to you and the couple concerned to decide how they want to be shown. If they are legally married or are in a civil partnership, then I think the default position would be to include them as a spouse the same as any other couple. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Annette McLean Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017 3:36 PM To: New Zealand Rootsweb <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Same sex marriages Hi List I was wondering how to enter a same sex marriages into my genealogy programme. At present I am putting them into the marriage notes of one of the partners. Any other ideas? Annette

Hi List I was wondering how to enter a same sex marriages into my genealogy programme. At present I am putting them into the marriage notes of one of the partners. Any other ideas? Annette

I also have FTM and, as well as being able to change the default gender, you can also select under relationship in RHS- married, partner, spouse, friend etc. However when you synch to Ancestry, the same sex partner is referred to as "married to", and ancestry does not appear to have developed more options for relationships other than married. You also raise a good point about seeking permission to enter the relationship type. If the people are dead as in my family, I have elected to use "friend" as they were older people and private. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Tregonning" <[email protected]> To: "'Annette McLean'" <[email protected]>; "'New Zealand Rootsweb'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [nz] Same sex marriages >I have Family Tree Maker and I just did a test. If you enter a female >person > and then enter a spouse, the spouse's gender defaults to Male but the > system > allows you to change it to Female. I am assuming it would also work the > other way around. I don't know if this would cause any flow on issues, but > someone else who has done this may know. > > But if the question is whether you want to show a same sex marriage in the > first place then I think it is up to you and the couple concerned to > decide > how they want to be shown. If they are legally married or are in a civil > partnership, then I think the default position would be to include them as > a > spouse the same as any other couple. > > Regards, > > Christine J Tregonning > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of Annette McLean > Sent: Friday, 20 January 2017 3:36 PM > To: New Zealand Rootsweb <[email protected]> > Subject: [nz] Same sex marriages > > Hi List > > I was wondering how to enter a same sex marriages into my genealogy > programme. > At present I am putting them into the marriage notes of one of the > partners. > Any other ideas? > > Annette > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GRAMPS will handle them; I have a copy but it seems to have a steep learning curve. I'm shortly going to start using Family Historian, but have to upgrade to Windows 7; the previous version will run on XP. My present antique DOS program handles multiple marriages directly without having to go back a generation to get all the children Brian Fleming On 20/01/2017 1:35 PM, Annette McLean wrote: > Hi List > > I was wondering how to enter a same sex marriages into my genealogy > programme. > At present I am putting them into the marriage notes of one of the > partners. Any other ideas? > > Annette > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

oops sorry – in the query below I say that some trees have Sarah GORDON. GORDON has nothing to do with it, the trees have her as BARNES not GORDON. I confused my self with non-related stuff I was looking at. peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 8:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Captain William Henry KIDDEY, son of Sarah BARNES Has anyone found a birth / baptism for Sarah BARNES born at Shaftesbury Dorestor perhaps Cann in Dorset circa 1815 / 1816? I’m having no luck. Shaftesbury and Cann are next to each other. I was looking for someone in the old kiwi papers and came across a Captain William Henry KIDDEY reference at Christchurch which intrigued me because that’s my brother-in-law’s surname. I wondered if they were connected and after investigation I found that they were, the Captain being his great-grandfather. I asked him if he knew about him and he said he had heard of him because a relation had been looking into the family tree say about 30 years ago, but he couldn’t remember much about it. Captain KIDDEY was born 1839 at Rotherhithe in London to Matthew KIDDEY, who was born at Pocklington in Yorkshire, and Sarah BARNES. Matthew’s father appears to be Alexander KIDDEY who was from Fisher Row in Scotland according to the 1851 census. There’s a number of Fisher Row as streets in Scotland but the community that stands out is the seashore community at Musselburgh just east of Edinburgh, on the western side of the River Esk as it flows into the sea. KIDDEY as a version of the name seems pretty rare and the only possibility I can find to be Alexander in OPR is Alexander KIDD born 19 Feb 1753 at Inveresk & Musselburgh to James KIDD, a preacher, and Jean TAYLOR whose father George was a merchant in Aberdeen. James & Jean married at Inveresk & Musselbugh in 1751, James being ‘assistant’ to Alexander CARLYLE, who was the minister there from 1748 until his death in 1805. A candidate to be Jean is one baptised 1722 at Aberdeen to George TAYLOR and Janet ANDERSON. Another was at Kinneller further away in 1721. I can’t find others, although of course OPR in Scotland starts to get pretty thin that far back. There are quite a few trees at Ancestry.com with Matthew KIDDEY and his wife Sarah. Some name Sarah as Sarah KIDDEY and the odd one names her as Sarah GORDON, but none have more about her. They married 1837 at Rotherhithe which is on the southern side of the Thames between Bermondsey and Deptford. The marriage gives Sarah’s father as Job BARNES, a Carpenter. Census information tells us that Sarah was born about 1815/1816 at either Pocklington or at Shaftesbury in Dorset. Unfortunately I am unable to find a possible baptism for Sarah no matter how hard I try. However, I discovered that there was indeed a Job BARNES, a carpenter, living at Shaftesbury and married there to Maria FOYLE in 1813. They are in a few census enumerations. The combination of census info and OPR makes Job & Maria and their descendants fairly easy to find, in fact I became sick of the data entry. The births of their children were usually at either Shaftesbury or Cann, Cann being a large area immediately to the south of Shaftesbury. Having found them and then located lots of data, I then located trees with them, but none of those trees had Sarah and they are not comprehensive as to descendants. The locations Shaftesbury and Cann are an excellent identifier for these people and the more I look for other possibilities to be Sarah’s family (none) the more it becomes apparent that Job & Maria simply have to be the parents of Sarah as they are the only game in town. Two of Sarah’s brothers were called Uriah BARNES, the first dying at 8 months. Sarah had two sons called George Uriah KIDDEY, the first dying young. Sarah’s brother Francis Charles BARNES had his first son called Uriah Benjamin BARNES. Sarah kept the name Francis going with her son also Francis Charles who had a son Francis Thomas who had a son Francis William. Captain William Henry KIDDEY is a very interesting man. He and his wife Lydia PETHERBRIDGE after marriage at Lyttelton in 1871 had at least 14 children. He came from a large family himself of at least 10 children. While there are a number of KIDDEY trees online, I’m not sure if researchers have realised that at least five brothers to Captain William Henry KIDDEY also went to sea, some with the Royal Navy. The information can be found in census data and in navy records which can be ordered online at National Archives (Kew), plus documents at Ancestry.com which tell us that George Uriah KIDDEY was a sailor on a ship called NOVELTY in 1869 and that he died November 1870 at Gilroy, California, not far from San Francisco, when he drowned due to falling out of a small boat while duck-hunting. The NOVELTY at that period was making voyages between NZ and Australia and also went to San Francisco, as can be found at Papers Past. There is a truckload of items referencing Captain KIDDEY in the old kiwi newspapers. After he gave up the sea and married Lydia he ran a succession of at least six hotels at Lyttelton, Christchurch and West Oxford, his last being the British Hotel in Lyttelton which he gave up in 1894. He then became secretary to the LVA, the Licensed Victuallers’ Association, until his death in 1896. He was known as one of the foremost opponents of the prohibitionists who wanted bars closed down, Tommy Taylor and Reverend Len ISITT being particular targets. ISITT and four others, during the famous Sydenham licensing battle of 1891, with TAYLOR being a major organiser of the campaign, got themselves voted to the Sydenham licensing committee having pledged to shut down the bars of Sydenham. As licences came up for renewal they refused to renew them and were susequently taken to court by the liquor faction. The committee lost the case and also lost appeals. The problem for them was that they were legally obliged to consider each case on its merits in an impartial manner, not point blank refuse to issue licenses as part of a political agenda. The newspapers have these items following I get the feeling that ‘Citizen’ may well be Captain KIDDEY. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18941228.2.3.4?query="w h kiddey" Press, Volume LI, Issue 8987, 28 December 1894, p.1 Public Notices. CHALLENGE TO T. E. TAYLOR to PROVE the Statement he made in Cathedral square on Saturday Night that I kept a man to WATCH the POLICE on SUNDAYs. Stake £5 to £50. Lancashire law, no stake no wager. W. H. KIDDEY, 148 Cashel street https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18941228.2.9.7?query="w h kiddey" Press, Volume LI, Issue 8987, 28 December 1894, p.3 TO THE EDITOR OF THE PRESS. Sir,—With your permission I would point out a few of the mis-statements uttered by the party in charge of the cart-tail meeting in Cathedral square last Saturday night. . 1. Mr T. Wake stated there were sixty-five unlicensed bars in Christchurch. He is wrong, and should read the Licensing Act. 2. Mr T. E. Taylor stated W. H. Kiddey employed a man on Sundays to watch the police. He is wrong. 3. T. E. Taylor stated Kiddey gave away tickets for the Liberal Association. Wrong again. 4. T. E. Taylor stated that at the inquest recently held at the Zetland Arms, when a drunken man was passing with a horse Mr Beetham, Inspector Broham, Sergeant-Major Mason, Sergeant Barlow, Sergeant Briggs, and Constable Gough stood on the pavement arrayed like a lot of ornaments, and did not take the least notice until a prohibitionist called their attention, to the drunk, and that was the sort of people we had to pay for. 5. T. E. Taylor stated the greater portion of the money subscribed for Inspector Pender was given by the publicans. Wrong again. 6. L. M. Isitt presumed it was for services rendered. Spiteful. 7. L. M. Isitt stated that Mr W. W. Collins had raised a horse, and he presumed the publicans bought it for him. Wrong as far as the publicans are concerned, and doubtless Mr Collins is well able to answer for himself. The above are a few of the untruths stated by the prohibition party. The Rev. L. M. Isitt told the crowd to take a man by the neck and scruff him into the waggon. I don't think he ought to expect respect from the general public when he, a minister, gives vent to such an expression, especially at Christmas time, when ministers are supposed to preach "Peace on earth," &c—l am, &c, Citizen. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18950608.2.3.7 Press, Volume LII, Issue 9125, 8 June 1895, p.1 WANTED, the Names of the Forty Publicans in Christchurch that Mr ISITT stated at a Meeting in Amberley, on 3rd inst., were Blackguards and he could see Blackguardism Written on their Faces. Vide letter "Temperance v Intemperance," Press,7th June. W. H. KIDDEY, Sec. L.V.A., 135 Cashel street. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18960720.2.22?query=captain kiddey death Press, Volume LIII, Issue 9473, 20 July 1896, p.4 Prohibition League.—The usual weekly meeting of the Christchurch Prohibition League was held on Friday evening in the Congregational Schoolroom, which was crowded to excess. The Rev. J. Dawson occupied the chair. Mr Isitt said that he was sure that the League would hear with regret of the death of Captain Kiddey, which had occurred that day, though it would probably be regarded as out of place for the League to carry any formal resolution of sympathy with the bereaved. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ME18960721.2.5?query=captain kiddey death Mataura Ensign, Issue 165, 21 July 1896, p.2 The death is announced from Christchurch, of Captain Kiddey. The deceased was an ex-publican and secretary of the Canterbury Licensed Victuallers' Association. He had been a perpetual thorn in the side of the Prohibition party for several years, and was a powerful factor in all militant opposition offered to most of their demands. As the Rev. L. M. Isitt is to one party, so was Captain Kiddey to the other. I’ve done pretty well with these people but the lack of a baptism for Sarah BARNES is bugging me even though I am sure have the right family for her. Peter

Thank you to all who responded regarding Nurse Lily Ardagh . I see he fudged his age on his WW2 attestation form by five years. What was the age limit for an officer enlisting for WW2 in the 2 N.Z.E.F.? I know the age limit was higher for officers. He was born Ngapara, North Otago 30 August 1887. http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2PMed-pt7-c1-2.html The age limits were 21 to 40 years, excluding officers, who were allowed to exceed the age of 40. Thanks.

>From "NZ Free Lance" 17 October 1945. Please quote name of publication, date and page number of publication. ASHBOLT M F Sgt p5 BACON E P Sgt p5 BALFOUR N G Sgt p5 CARR Laurie Lieut p13 CLIFTON A J Sgt p5 GENTRY W G p34 GIBSON W B H Sgt p5 GREER G G Sgt p5 HALL Dorothea Matron p9 IRVING J H Lieut-Col New Plymouth, Masterton p9 LAWRENCE J p5 LAWRENCE Keith Ashley Southland p19 McCALLUM N Sgt p5 McFARLANE B S Sgt p5 McCLURE Vida Miss p9 PATULLO H A Lieut-Col p9 NIVEN Don p13 ROBERTS George RNZN p13 SCANDRETT G S/Sgt p5 SCULLY W H W.O. p5 THOMPSON L C Sgt p5 THORPE Lieut p5 UPHAM C H Capt p5 UPTON E F W S/Sgt p5 WEBBER P p5 WRIGHT K F Sgt p5 Carol Spragg --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Her marriage is noted in Kai Tiaki on 1 July 1914. Sent from my iPad > On 18/01/2017, at 11:55, Graham L Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you Gavin, why didn't I think to look there??? > > Anyway this message is for the original enquirer Keith: > > The NZ Gazettes do have references to Lily Ardagh and the NZSG has a few other references to her. If you're a member of NZSG you can access these via their research service. > > Cheers, > > Graham > >> On 18/01/2017 11:01 a.m., Gavin W Petrie wrote: >> The NZ Gazette Entries are on the NZSG Kiwi Collection - Members ver 2.0. >> >> Cheers >> Gavin >> >> >> >>> On 18/01/2017 10:12 a.m., Graham L Jones wrote: >>> NZSG had a searchable CD/DVD of the NZ Gazettes, can't locate it in their library so have asked if it is still available. >>> >>> Alternatively we have here hard copies of the Gazettes over that period so could possibly do a manual search if necessary. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Graham >>> >>>> On 17/01/2017 7:35 p.m., John Wilson wrote: >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> Mrs Lily Hebe Ardagh has a WWI file in Archives series 22525 as a VAD or Voluntary Aid Detachment. Unfortunately not digitised yet, although I will get it digitised when Archives in Wellington opens after earthquake checking; supposed to be sometime in January. Series 22525 has a lot of personnel files for WWI for those in other (Australian, British etc) forces or for nurses and VADs. It will not be a full “personnel” files though. >>>> >>>> https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21047361 >>>> >>>> Yours, John Wilson >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: [nz] NURSES - Lily Hebe Ardagh (nee Lowick) served in England during WW1. >>>> >>>> I am looking for a WW1 NZ nurse who served in England during the First Word >>>> War. >>>> Mrs Lily Hebe Ardagh (nee Lowick) married 13 April 1914 in Christchurch to >>>> Dr P. A. Ardagh. He served in WW1 and 2. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > > -- > Graham Jones, > 139 Hokianga Road, > DARGAVILLE 0310 > 09-439-8519 > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I had heard of the site David but thank you for the reminder. My Great, Great Grandfather's sister Elizabeth is mentioned - Living at Carbean in the 1861 census. Sadly she died soon afterwards. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wilton, David Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2017 11:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Descendants of Cornish miners and bal maidens I have recently been in contact with Lynne Mayers, who wrote the excellent book 'Bal Maidens' (being about girls and young women employed in Cornish mines c. 19th century). She writes: I have been researching and writing about the women and girls who worked at the mines in Cornwall and West Devon (bal maidens) for about 15 years now, and I wonder if you are aware of our website www.balmaiden.co.uk<http://www.balmaiden.co.uk>. ? It includes a free searchable database of about 30,000 named bal maidens - information taken from census and parish records, mine cost books, inquests, newspaper reports etc. It might be of interest for anyone who has Cornish ancestors who went over to NZ to the goldfields. I also would be very glad to hear of anyone who has a bal maiden as an ancestor, along with her story - as it is very hard to trace people from this end. I am always very dependent on family historians at their destination, to provide information. (Lynne's email address is [email protected]) regards, Dave Wilton The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message