On 24/01/2017 5:54 PM, Chris wrote: > Hi, > > A question..does John Vaughan have a second name and did he marry, and > if so when please. I am looking for you as I've had similar problems > locating some of my Irish forebears. > > For instance QUEENIN was located on BDM NZ as LUCCIN..and for the > births of their children, the spellings were QUINNIN, QUINNAN,QUEEMAN, > QUENNAN. Can't say that the spelling was the fault of the Registry! > > Chris Could well be that the various recorders couldn't cope with heavy Irish accents. Also "beautiful" copperplate can be very hard to read. And many persons registering may well have been unlettered in those days, and might not have understood the recorder's repeating of the names. Brian Fleming

Hi, A question..does John Vaughan have a second name and did he marry, and if so when please. I am looking for you as I've had similar problems locating some of my Irish forebears. For instance QUEENIN was located on BDM NZ as LUCCIN..and for the births of their children, the spellings were QUINNIN, QUINNAN,QUEEMAN, QUENNAN. Can't say that the spelling was the fault of the Registry! Chris Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "LittleMiracles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:03 PM Subject: [nz] Spelling a name >I am looking for a John VAUGHAN born about 1872 Cork Ireland and think he >was in the south Island. That is where he landed in Otago. > > Can't find his death, have used VAUGHAN - VAUGHN. Does any one else know > how else you can spell the name please. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Pam > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’ve been looking at my brother-in-law’s grandmother’s people called MADDREN in Christchurch who came from Cornwall, especially James MADDREN & Eliza Jane PEARCE who are reported to have brought their young family from the Penzance area of Cornwall to Canterbury on the chip WAIPA which arrived Lyttelton on 25 Jan 1877. The obituary for James and another for one of his sons mention about arrival by the ship WAIPA, and that info is repeated on the MacDonald Index card for James MADDREN at Canterbury Museum. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19090712.2.66?query=maddren Star, Issue 9592, 12 July 1909, p.3 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN James below is the son of James above. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19310630.2.144?query="charles maddren" Press, Volume LXVII, Issue 20276, 30 June 1931, p.15 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN The obit for James senior states that, “He came to New Zealand by the ship Waipa in 1877, landing with his wife and five sons, one of whom was born on the day the ship entered harbour, on January 25.” There seems to be a bit of confusion for researchers about the ins and outs of this family and relations in total but what I’ve worked out is that James had two brothers and a sister who also came out to NZ – they can be found in shipping pax lists plus James’ obit states that he had two brothers and a sister in NZ. James and his brothers in NZ were rope makers with James in particular working for a firm in that line then setting up a similar and successful business in which he involved his sons. There were seven siblings in Cornwall altogether, their parents being John, a fisherman, and Elizabeth/Betsy MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON who lived at Newlyn in Paul parish, very near Penzance. The surname name varies in Cornwall but the spelling MADDREN is consistent in NZ. Of the siblings, James and family came to NZ in 1877, Richard & wife and child born at sea came to NZ in 1879 on the ship BOYNE, and John and Bessie, who had stayed with their mother Betsy until her death in 1895, came out to NZ in 1908 on the ship RUAPEHU. These people can be found buried in Addington and Sydenham cemeteries as well as other relations. Siblings who remained in Cornwall were Jane, Louisa and William. It looks like William had a sizeable family in Cornwall going by a couple of databases by other people. I don’t know what happened to Louisa or Jane but I haven’t looked hard yet. Maybe I should look in NZ, who knows. Now the problem I have. As I said above James & Eliza Jane and family are supposed to have arrived NZ in 1877 on the ship WAIPA......but there is no such MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON family on the WAIPA passenger list at Familysearch. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6D33-53D?i=4&cc=1609792 The nearest I can get is a family on the WAIPA called HARVEY arriving from Cornwall. The child who was supposedly born 25 Jan 1877 the day the ship arrived in the NZ BDMs is named Samuel Harvey MADDREN, parents James Harvey & Eliza Jane MADDREN. For subsequent births in NZ the parents are just James & Eliza Jane MADDREN. James’ brother Richard had two daughters called Elizabeth Harvey MADDREN, the first dying due to a tragic accident when young. The structure of the HARVEY family on the ship WAIPA is similar to that of the Cornwall-born family of James & Eliza Jane MADDREN to that point. Known MADDREN issue to James & Eliza Jane (they are in their correct birth order although I don’t have a couple of dates): William John MADDREN born Cornwall about 1870 James MADDREN born Cornwall about 1871 Richard MADDREN born Cornwall Charles MADDREN born Cornwall Samuel Harvey MADDREN born NZ (just) 25 Jan 1877 Joseph Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1879 Louisa Jane MADDREN born NZ 1881 Arnold Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1883 Ethel May MADDREN born NZ 1885 Ethel May is my brother-in-law’s grandmother. HARVEY family on the ship: James HARVEY 32 Cornwall Carpenter Jane HARVEY 29 John HARVEY 07 James HARVEY 05 Richard HARVEY 03 Charles HARVEY 01 So, doesn anyone know if in fact the HARVEY family is also the MADDREN family? For it to work, Eliza Jane the MADDREN mother has to be known familiarly as Jane, and her eldest son William John has to be known familiarly as John. Another problem is that James was a rope maker in Cornwall which is also what he did in NZ, but on the ship James HARVEY is a carpenter. Could have described himself as having an occupation wanted in the colonies to ensure selection for an assisted passage? I am unable to find a suitable MADDREN family on another ship, and the above coincidence of similar families is not quite good enough to feel confident about it, so I’m hoping someone will have inside knowledge. Peter

I am looking for a John VAUGHAN born about 1872 Cork Ireland and think he was in the south Island. That is where he landed in Otago. Can't find his death, have used VAUGHAN - VAUGHN. Does any one else know how else you can spell the name please. Any help would be appreciated Pam

Hello I am looking for a death notice for the following two people please.. Any help very much appreciated,,, George Gustave Brown Died 10 November 1996 aged 93yrs old Lived in Christchurch Buried at Waimairi Cemetery Married to:- Catherine Carson Brown Died 25 February 1991 aged 85 yrs Lived in Christchurch Buried at Waimairi Cemetery thank you Margaret Hamilton, NZ

Yes it's correcting an entry rather than finding one I'm interested in. Jeanette Sent from my iPad > On 22/01/2017, at 19:12, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have had a good experience with BDM staff about notifying incorrect entries in the online search..for instance I was looking for a William Queenin and his name was recorded as LUCCIN..obviously a transcruiber's error, in confusing the copperplate writing for Q..which looks like and L.. I sent an email to one of the staff , they looked into it and corrected it quickly and advised me of same. > > Chris > Melbourne > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette de Montalk" <[email protected]> > To: "Angela Reynolds" <[email protected]> > Cc: "new-zealand" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > > >> Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an incorrect entry on BDMs? >> Jeanette >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 22/01/2017, at 13:13, Angela Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a >>> past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I >>> take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to >>> help set the record straight about them. >>> >>> Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally >>> wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was >>> then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I >>> changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no >>> further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I could >>> say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this

If I cannot find a birth/death/marriage on NZ’s BMDs, I use ancestry, because of the wild card/soundex searching. However, I think the years covered by ancestry are not as extensive… On 22/01/2017, at 8:05 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:57:54 +1300 From: Graham Hoult <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Cc: John Wilson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names Message-ID: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 John Wilson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> messaged > Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > > Hi All: I have asked BDM to investigate a 1976 death which is in the RG 1976 > fiche (old folio number included) but not online (unless the surname is > wrong). I also advised a date of death from the Owaka Cemetery microfiche. > > Someone advised a while ago that some NZ BDMs are on FindMyPast (not > Ancestry?) where they can be searched with a wildcard. > > Yours, John Wilson.

I have had a rather mixed response. After a bit of work on my behalf to find the original entries some rather more obvious errors have been corrected. But how does one know if an event has been recorded incorrectly or is just missing. I am still looking for: James Ernest LOVIE born 1877 probably in Auckland. James was the eldest son and second child of James LOVIE and Mary Elizabeth (SIMPSON). His 9 siblings are all showing on the index although there is a death in 1886 of a 3-month-old child Alexander William who also does not appear in the birth index. Edward Bacon SIMPSON born about 1869 possibly at Thames, and Ellen Stuart SIMPSON born about 1873 possibly at Te Awamutu, children of John SIMPSON and Mary Elizabeth (WETHERALL). This family arrived in New Zealand in 1866. A daughter Euphemia SIMPSON was born in 1867 at Parnell and appears in the BDM index. These children were not illegitimate and the parents had previously registered the births of children in New Zealand, and in the case of the SIMPSON family, in Scotland. Regards, Christine J Tregonning -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2017 7:13 PM To: Jeanette de Montalk <[email protected]>; Angela Reynolds <[email protected]> Cc: new-zealand <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names I have had a good experience with BDM staff about notifying incorrect entries in the online search..for instance I was looking for a William Queenin and his name was recorded as LUCCIN..obviously a transcruiber's error, in confusing the copperplate writing for Q..which looks like and L.. I sent an email to one of the staff , they looked into it and corrected it quickly and advised me of same. Chris Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette de Montalk" <[email protected]> To: "Angela Reynolds" <[email protected]> Cc: "new-zealand" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an > incorrect entry on BDMs? > Jeanette > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22/01/2017, at 13:13, Angela Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a >> past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I >> take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to >> help set the record straight about them. >> >> Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally >> wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was >> then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I >> changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no >> further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I >> could >> say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this >> forum >> except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were >> involved >> and the myriad of background issues, both technical and >> political/financial >> and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is >> desired and what is affordable. >> >> Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With >> many >> Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling >> variations >> to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also >> I've >> done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high >> proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM >> records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons >> who lowered their age by more than 10 years. >> >> However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM >> entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an >> excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but >> please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. >> >> I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and >> found all three: >> 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. >> 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. >> 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the >> following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born >> 28 >> June 1861. >> >> Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers >> Hi all >> >> Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a >> past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I >> take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to >> help set the record straight about them. >> >> Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally >> wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was >> then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I >> changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no >> further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I >> could >> say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this >> forum >> except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were >> involved >> and the myriad of background issues, both technical and >> political/financial >> and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is >> desired and what is affordable. >> >> Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With >> many >> Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling >> variations >> to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also >> I've >> done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high >> proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM >> records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons >> who lowered their age by more than 10 years. >> >> However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM >> entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an >> excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but >> please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. >> >> I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and >> found all three: >> 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. >> 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. >> 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the >> following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born >> 28 >> June 1861. >> >> Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers >> were hand-written and some of this handwriting must have been a nightmare >> for the transcribers to decipher especially when dealing with names that >> were foreign to them or names that were a different spelling of a name >> the >> transcriber thought they knew well. >> >> Some suggestions, after you've exhausted the common spelling variations >> such >> as ALLAN/ALLEN, ANDERSON/ANDERSEN, etc: >> >> 1. Try looking a few years either side of the year you think the event >> occurred - often descendants remembered a birthday (ie day & month) but >> either didn't remember the correct year or had incorrect information for >> one >> reason or another. >> >> 2. Try dropping the O in front of Irish surnames such as O'CONNOR and >> look >> for plain CONNOR. >> >> 3. Try writing the name down yourself and looking at it very carefully >> through a transcriber's eyes - how might they have interpreted some of >> the >> letters? For example, a K instead of H, an R instead of N, an E instead >> of >> I and soon on.... And sometimes the last letter (especially an E) is >> either >> added or dropped by mistake - for example KEAN may become KEANE and vice >> versa. >> >> 4. If all else fails for a birth record, try searching under the mother's >> maiden surname. (For example, I eventually found one of my great-aunts in >> the BDM index quite by accident. She was #7 of 10 children and I'd >> already >> purchased birth printouts of all siblings in the pre-online days, so I >> knew >> her birth was registered correctly. But I could not for the life of me >> find >> her in the online index, until one day when I was researching for someone >> else and spotted my great-aunt indexed under her mother's maiden surname. >> In this example, the microfiche has her name recorded correctly but the >> online index was wrong). >> >> 5. Lastly, I finally found the death of my gg-grandfather McLAREN, had >> been >> recorded (by the Registrar of the day) as McLEAN. In that case, the >> informant/funeral director was a McLEAN and someone had got the two names >> confused at the time the death was registered. There was an obituary in >> the >> local paper for my ancestor, he had a probate file and his headstone is >> still legible - and all of these sources show him correctly as McLAREN. >> The >> handwriting on the death registration was very clear but it was wrong and >> because of this, the subsequent transcriptions to both the microfiche and >> the website are 'correct but wrong'. >> >> Hope some of these suggestions help others in their research >> Angela >> >> >> This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. >> For more info visit www.bullguard.com >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 John Wilson <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged > Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > > Hi All: I have asked BDM to investigate a 1976 death which is in the RG 1976 > fiche (old folio number included) but not online (unless the surname is > wrong). I also advised a date of death from the Owaka Cemetery microfiche. > > Someone advised a while ago that some NZ BDMs are on FindMyPast (not > Ancestry?) where they can be searched with a wildcard. > > Yours, John Wilson. > > PS: See RG website re mistakes here (in FAQs): > https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/faq#G17 <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/faq#G17> > >> Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names >> >> Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an >> incorrect entry on BDMs? >> Jeanette Hi John Re that 1976 death being recorded on fiche but not being in the online death indexes … I hesitate to ask someone as experienced as yourself, but .. Could it be that your person of interest was outside the range permitted to be displayed on the BDM site? 1976 is less than 50 years ago. Was your person of interest born less than 80 years ago? Just wondering Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury PS I have submitted a number of corrections and omissions to BDM. They have been happy to accept them :-)

Hi All: I have asked BDM to investigate a 1976 death which is in the RG 1976 fiche (old folio number included) but not online (unless the surname is wrong). I also advised a date of death from the Owaka Cemetery microfiche. Someone advised a while ago that some NZ BDMs are on FindMyPast (not Ancestry?) where they can be searched with a wildcard. Yours, John Wilson. PS: See RG website re mistakes here (in FAQs): https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/faq#G17 Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an incorrect entry on BDMs? Jeanette

I have had a good experience with BDM staff about notifying incorrect entries in the online search..for instance I was looking for a William Queenin and his name was recorded as LUCCIN..obviously a transcruiber's error, in confusing the copperplate writing for Q..which looks like and L.. I sent an email to one of the staff , they looked into it and corrected it quickly and advised me of same. Chris Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette de Montalk" <[email protected]> To: "Angela Reynolds" <[email protected]> Cc: "new-zealand" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an > incorrect entry on BDMs? > Jeanette > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 22/01/2017, at 13:13, Angela Reynolds <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a >> past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I >> take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to >> help set the record straight about them. >> >> Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally >> wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was >> then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I >> changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no >> further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I >> could >> say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this >> forum >> except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were >> involved >> and the myriad of background issues, both technical and >> political/financial >> and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is >> desired and what is affordable. >> >> Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With >> many >> Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling >> variations >> to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also >> I've >> done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high >> proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM >> records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons >> who lowered their age by more than 10 years. >> >> However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM >> entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an >> excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but >> please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. >> >> I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and >> found all three: >> 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. >> 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. >> 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the >> following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born >> 28 >> June 1861. >> >> Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers >> Hi all >> >> Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a >> past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I >> take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to >> help set the record straight about them. >> >> Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally >> wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was >> then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I >> changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no >> further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I >> could >> say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this >> forum >> except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were >> involved >> and the myriad of background issues, both technical and >> political/financial >> and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is >> desired and what is affordable. >> >> Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With >> many >> Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling >> variations >> to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also >> I've >> done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high >> proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM >> records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons >> who lowered their age by more than 10 years. >> >> However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM >> entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an >> excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but >> please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. >> >> I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and >> found all three: >> 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. >> 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. >> 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the >> following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born >> 28 >> June 1861. >> >> Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers >> were hand-written and some of this handwriting must have been a nightmare >> for the transcribers to decipher especially when dealing with names that >> were foreign to them or names that were a different spelling of a name >> the >> transcriber thought they knew well. >> >> Some suggestions, after you've exhausted the common spelling variations >> such >> as ALLAN/ALLEN, ANDERSON/ANDERSEN, etc: >> >> 1. Try looking a few years either side of the year you think the event >> occurred - often descendants remembered a birthday (ie day & month) but >> either didn't remember the correct year or had incorrect information for >> one >> reason or another. >> >> 2. Try dropping the O in front of Irish surnames such as O'CONNOR and >> look >> for plain CONNOR. >> >> 3. Try writing the name down yourself and looking at it very carefully >> through a transcriber's eyes - how might they have interpreted some of >> the >> letters? For example, a K instead of H, an R instead of N, an E instead >> of >> I and soon on.... And sometimes the last letter (especially an E) is >> either >> added or dropped by mistake - for example KEAN may become KEANE and vice >> versa. >> >> 4. If all else fails for a birth record, try searching under the mother's >> maiden surname. (For example, I eventually found one of my great-aunts in >> the BDM index quite by accident. She was #7 of 10 children and I'd >> already >> purchased birth printouts of all siblings in the pre-online days, so I >> knew >> her birth was registered correctly. But I could not for the life of me >> find >> her in the online index, until one day when I was researching for someone >> else and spotted my great-aunt indexed under her mother's maiden surname. >> In this example, the microfiche has her name recorded correctly but the >> online index was wrong). >> >> 5. Lastly, I finally found the death of my gg-grandfather McLAREN, had >> been >> recorded (by the Registrar of the day) as McLEAN. In that case, the >> informant/funeral director was a McLEAN and someone had got the two names >> confused at the time the death was registered. There was an obituary in >> the >> local paper for my ancestor, he had a probate file and his headstone is >> still legible - and all of these sources show him correctly as McLAREN. >> The >> handwriting on the death registration was very clear but it was wrong and >> because of this, the subsequent transcriptions to both the microfiche and >> the website are 'correct but wrong'. >> >> Hope some of these suggestions help others in their research >> Angela >> >> >> This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. >> For more info visit www.bullguard.com >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone tell me how to notify the people in charge when you find an incorrect entry on BDMs? Jeanette Sent from my iPad > On 22/01/2017, at 13:13, Angela Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all > > Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a > past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I > take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to > help set the record straight about them. > > Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally > wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was > then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I > changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no > further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I could > say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this forum > except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were involved > and the myriad of background issues, both technical and political/financial > and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is > desired and what is affordable. > > Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With many > Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling variations > to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also I've > done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high > proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM > records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons > who lowered their age by more than 10 years. > > However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM > entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an > excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but > please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. > > I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and > found all three: > 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. > 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. > 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the > following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born 28 > June 1861. > > Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers > Hi all > > Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a > past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I > take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to > help set the record straight about them. > > Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally > wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was > then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I > changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no > further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I could > say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this forum > except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were involved > and the myriad of background issues, both technical and political/financial > and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is > desired and what is affordable. > > Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With many > Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling variations > to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also I've > done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high > proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM > records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons > who lowered their age by more than 10 years. > > However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM > entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an > excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but > please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. > > I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and > found all three: > 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. > 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. > 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the > following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born 28 > June 1861. > > Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers > were hand-written and some of this handwriting must have been a nightmare > for the transcribers to decipher especially when dealing with names that > were foreign to them or names that were a different spelling of a name the > transcriber thought they knew well. > > Some suggestions, after you've exhausted the common spelling variations such > as ALLAN/ALLEN, ANDERSON/ANDERSEN, etc: > > 1. Try looking a few years either side of the year you think the event > occurred - often descendants remembered a birthday (ie day & month) but > either didn't remember the correct year or had incorrect information for one > reason or another. > > 2. Try dropping the O in front of Irish surnames such as O'CONNOR and look > for plain CONNOR. > > 3. Try writing the name down yourself and looking at it very carefully > through a transcriber's eyes - how might they have interpreted some of the > letters? For example, a K instead of H, an R instead of N, an E instead of > I and soon on.... And sometimes the last letter (especially an E) is either > added or dropped by mistake - for example KEAN may become KEANE and vice > versa. > > 4. If all else fails for a birth record, try searching under the mother's > maiden surname. (For example, I eventually found one of my great-aunts in > the BDM index quite by accident. She was #7 of 10 children and I'd already > purchased birth printouts of all siblings in the pre-online days, so I knew > her birth was registered correctly. But I could not for the life of me find > her in the online index, until one day when I was researching for someone > else and spotted my great-aunt indexed under her mother's maiden surname. > In this example, the microfiche has her name recorded correctly but the > online index was wrong). > > 5. Lastly, I finally found the death of my gg-grandfather McLAREN, had been > recorded (by the Registrar of the day) as McLEAN. In that case, the > informant/funeral director was a McLEAN and someone had got the two names > confused at the time the death was registered. There was an obituary in the > local paper for my ancestor, he had a probate file and his headstone is > still legible - and all of these sources show him correctly as McLAREN. The > handwriting on the death registration was very clear but it was wrong and > because of this, the subsequent transcriptions to both the microfiche and > the website are 'correct but wrong'. > > Hope some of these suggestions help others in their research > Angela > > > This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. > For more info visit www.bullguard.com > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Andy,you have lost me there, under what system are you getting all that Java script??? I get none. I am posting to ask about your 1879/8345 King Hannah Pauline is that off the microfiche??? if so, I would have thought everyone knew with four or more entries on each register page, to enable online ordering, the whole of the paper entries were assigned a new number. Thus when individual numbers were given to each event 1879/4277 was assigned to her. Or is that not what you are meaning. I must say though, their internal "tinkering" infuriates me, with irregular births to unmarried couples, often being changed. I have one man who was using an assumed named when he married and died in NZ, his widow became heir to a sum of money in England, and real name was advised to BDM. He was then online under the same name 20yrs apart, after I ordered both, got one, and was told they were the same person (which I knew). They then removed the correct one, and have left the one relating to the name correction,(online the old name) 20yrs after his death. Logic defies me. The also use AKA also known as, CKA Commonly known as and another couple I cannot bring to mind. If you do not know those facts you will never find them. I also have at least two original birth certs, one with thewith the chil showing online as birth children to his adoptive parents, and thoe other original cert with fathers name, and the modified one showing not recorded, when in fact it was on the original one. I personally get no extraneous headers along with my Rootsweb postings. Is it your settings?? cheers penne ps I understand it is costly to incorporate a wildcard into the system, and we are lucky to get the index for free. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Gardner" <[email protected]> To: "new-zealand" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names > > I'm not sure if it's because the whole thing was written in some sort of > Microsoft application, but whoever signed off on the current site should > be taken around the back of the bike sheds and introduced to Mr Cluebat. > > Every HTML page sends down a huge chunk of javascript and CSS which should > be isolated into separate files for efficiency. Over 100kB of data sent to > you just to get the maybe 50 bytes of data you want to see. If you're > accessing the website via cellphone data that's why you keep running up on > your monthly limit so quickly. > > Weirdly a lot of the CSS and Javascript is for in-house users (who are > editing data) so it may even be a security risk including all that data in > pages sent to public users as it may give clues regarding how to hack into > their system. > > Also, a while back they changed the "registration number" of many (all?) > of the records on the site, so if you carefully filed away the NZBDM > reference in your ancestor records, it no longer applies. > > For instance, in deaths 1879/8345 KING Hannah Pauline is now 1879/4277 - > whose bright idea was THAT? > > And as for 1751/2 KING Hannah, that's an early death! > > Then there's this mailing list which now includes bucket loads of > "X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics" headers with each message sent. > > There seems to be a theme appearing - inefficient Microsoft software. > >> >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure if it's because the whole thing was written in some sort of Microsoft application, but whoever signed off on the current site should be taken around the back of the bike sheds and introduced to Mr Cluebat. Every HTML page sends down a huge chunk of javascript and CSS which should be isolated into separate files for efficiency. Over 100kB of data sent to you just to get the maybe 50 bytes of data you want to see. If you're accessing the website via cellphone data that's why you keep running up on your monthly limit so quickly. Weirdly a lot of the CSS and Javascript is for in-house users (who are editing data) so it may even be a security risk including all that data in pages sent to public users as it may give clues regarding how to hack into their system. Also, a while back they changed the "registration number" of many (all?) of the records on the site, so if you carefully filed away the NZBDM reference in your ancestor records, it no longer applies. For instance, in deaths 1879/8345 KING Hannah Pauline is now 1879/4277 - whose bright idea was THAT? And as for 1751/2 KING Hannah, that's an early death! Then there's this mailing list which now includes bucket loads of "X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics" headers with each message sent. There seems to be a theme appearing - inefficient Microsoft software. > >

Thank you for an excellent explanation and the searching hints Angela. I am sure the suggestions will be very helpful to other list members. I certainly agree that the birthdates on WW1 files cannot be relied on but do help as a starting point in researching the particular person. Keep up the great work. Regards Allan Sunny Waikouaiti. -----Original Message----- From: Angela Reynolds Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:13 PM To: 'Olwyn Whitehouse' ; 'new-zealand' Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names Hi all Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to help set the record straight about them. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi all Forgive me for posting this reply on a public list but as someone with a past professional involvement in the compilation of the NZ BDM indexes I take a particular interest in the accuracy of those indexes and wanted to help set the record straight about them. Back in the late 1990s (before I got involved in genealogy), I personally wrote the specifications for the data capture of the BDM records and was then one of the team evaluating the tenders received for the work. But I changed employers soon after the contract was signed and therefore had no further professional involvement in the BDM project. There is much I could say about that project but it is inappropriate for me to do so in this forum except perhaps to say that I'm fully aware of the costs which were involved and the myriad of background issues, both technical and political/financial and the balances/compromises that must sometimes be made between what is desired and what is affordable. Like most on this list, I'm a frequent user of the BDM website. With many Scandinavian & other European names and their multiple spelling variations to research, I would 'really' love a wild card search facility. Also I've done a great deal of WW1 research and found a perhaps surprisingly high proportion of discrepancies between the DOBs on the WW1 files and the BDM records. Indeed with WW1 records, I've even found the occasional persons who lowered their age by more than 10 years. However, with considerable patience, diligence and imagination, most BDM entries can usually be found. The BDM indexes on microfiche provide an excellent and very useful cross-check facility against the website - but please remember that even the microfiche are not always infallible. I looked at three of the birth entries, you thought missing from 1860 and found all three: 'ALLAN, NR' can be found online spelt as 'ALLEN' in 1860. 'RIDDLE, Hellen Louisa' can be found spelt as 'RIDDELL' in 1860. 'DASH, Eugine Mary ' can be found, not in 1860 as thought, but in the following year as 1861/10856 DASH, Eugine Mary, parents Mary/Jacob - born 28 June 1861. Above all, please remember that until the last few decades, all registers were hand-written and some of this handwriting must have been a nightmare for the transcribers to decipher especially when dealing with names that were foreign to them or names that were a different spelling of a name the transcriber thought they knew well. Some suggestions, after you've exhausted the common spelling variations such as ALLAN/ALLEN, ANDERSON/ANDERSEN, etc: 1. Try looking a few years either side of the year you think the event occurred - often descendants remembered a birthday (ie day & month) but either didn't remember the correct year or had incorrect information for one reason or another. 2. Try dropping the O in front of Irish surnames such as O'CONNOR and look for plain CONNOR. 3. Try writing the name down yourself and looking at it very carefully through a transcriber's eyes - how might they have interpreted some of the letters? For example, a K instead of H, an R instead of N, an E instead of I and soon on.... And sometimes the last letter (especially an E) is either added or dropped by mistake - for example KEAN may become KEANE and vice versa. 4. If all else fails for a birth record, try searching under the mother's maiden surname. (For example, I eventually found one of my great-aunts in the BDM index quite by accident. She was #7 of 10 children and I'd already purchased birth printouts of all siblings in the pre-online days, so I knew her birth was registered correctly. But I could not for the life of me find her in the online index, until one day when I was researching for someone else and spotted my great-aunt indexed under her mother's maiden surname. In this example, the microfiche has her name recorded correctly but the online index was wrong). 5. Lastly, I finally found the death of my gg-grandfather McLAREN, had been recorded (by the Registrar of the day) as McLEAN. In that case, the informant/funeral director was a McLEAN and someone had got the two names confused at the time the death was registered. There was an obituary in the local paper for my ancestor, he had a probate file and his headstone is still legible - and all of these sources show him correctly as McLAREN. The handwriting on the death registration was very clear but it was wrong and because of this, the subsequent transcriptions to both the microfiche and the website are 'correct but wrong'. Hope some of these suggestions help others in their research Angela This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. For more info visit www.bullguard.com

Thank you list members for all the help with Lily and the Memorial Cross. Turned out to be an interesting study. Cheers, Olwyn http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/Ardagh.htm#Lily What I did not know was that Awapuni, Palmerston North was the sole location for training the New Zealand Medical Corps staff during WWI and was home to one of New Zealand's largest training camps at the time. While other centres around New Zealand had memorials including tributes to nurses and medics, the Awapuni fountain was the only known monument specifically for the medical corps.

Another error is "Mother's name?" and the father has been wetting the baby's head and replies with HIS mother's name. There is also the case of course the mother being Mrs. Smith so gets recorded as "Jane Smith" Brian Fleming Melbourne

Hi Olwyn A nice piece of research :) A long time ago I espoused the theory that Marriage Reg Numbers (old series on mfiche) also had a pattern, which they do in most instances Bob M On 22-Jan-17 11:04 AM, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: > My math calculation was way out. About 1% to 2% of names missing or > misspelled. Note the pattern of the registration numbers in 1859 to 1862 > every third registration number has data. The database programmer left 60% > free space so maybe if they miss someone they can put the info into the > database. At the moment takes <[email protected]> a week. It helps if you > sight the microfiche which is still held at most major libraries and quote > the associated folio number. >

Hi All: Adele asked about the BDM office in Wellington. BDMs and Passports have been relocated to the basement of the National Library in Vogel Street near Molesworth Street, where they are operating on trestle tables by the basement entrance in a conference room (so presumably only temporary). I understand that there are problems with the owner of the building in Featherston Street or with the building! I have not been to see the temporary office, but have noticed them when going to the National Library. The National Library itself was closed for a short time because of demolition of the building in Molesworth Street, and many of the collections are not available. Yours, John Wilson https://natlib.govt.nz/visiting/wellington/were-open-again Thank you for John giving us an update for Archives, but my query is for another office in Wellington, were they affected by the quake... B.D. Marriages Office, as I had until 22 Nov to send a package down, to help them sort out a muddle over a name or two.. long story, but last thing I was told the lady in question to read it all (pages and pages and certificates) had not had time to rad it as yet and this was before Christmas.. I am in hurry for this, as know darn well it will be interesting when its sorted out...then can tell anyone who its about (now deceased) I may take the easy way out and give it to Robert for his website... which I am already doing with other stories.. I couldnt get down to deliver the package in person so it had to go courier to them, but I know they received it.. Thanks Adele Pentony-Graham