You're welcome.. Jenelle. -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 Jenelle pointed out that while Ancestry was down I should try FreeCEN. It came up trumps for 1871. Then I got my ancestry connection back and found further entries. If I'd had my Ancestry connection before, I would never have pestered the list with my emails. It turns out that Sober's parents John & Ann took their family from Penrith to Sunderland, appearing at South Hylton, Durham in 1851 and Sunderland (Bishopwearmouth) in 1861 and by 1871 Sober was at Sunderland with his own family with only Arthur yet to be born. 02 Apr 1871 Census of England & Wales @ 4 Brougham Street, St Peters Bishopwearmouth, Co. Durham Sober Armstrong COLLINS Head Marr 28 House Joiner b. Penrith, Cumberland Mary Jane COLLINS Wife Marr 25 b. Sunderland, Durham John Wm COLLINS Son 02 b. Sunderland, Durham Alfred COLLINS Son 01 b.Sunderland, Durham Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 These will be all three brothers I feel. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William, DOUGLASS Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, DOUGLASS, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, DOUGLASS, Stockton 10a, 61 Probate Sober Armstrong COLLINS wife: Mary Jane 3 sons: John William COLLINS Alfred COLLINS Arthur COLLINS Died at Kaikoura while visiting son 2 Dec 1910 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19101223.2.17?query="sober armstrong collins" heathcote Star, Issue 10035, 23 December 1910, p.1 OBITUARY One of the oldest residents of Heathcote Valley, Mr Sober Armstrong Collins, passed away at his son's residence, Torquay Street, Kaikoura, on Friday, December 2. Deceased, who was born at Penrith, Cumberland; came to New Zealand with his family in the Crusader in 1879, and settled at Heathcote Valley. He was engaged in the building trade, and was always noted for the thoroughness of his work. He was closely connected with the Methodist Church, and was an ardent supporter of any effort for the uplifting of his fellow men. Though he took no active part in public life, he will long be remembered for his generosity and hospitality. He left a widow and three sons, all of whom are married. The funeral took place in Kaikoura on December 5, the Rev W. M'Ara officiating. A memorial service was conducted in the Heathcote Methodist Church on Sunday by the Rev J. N. Buttle, and was largely attended. Have discovered that Sober is in Canterbury Museum's online index as Soba. Card definitely says Sober. Basically repeats information in the newspapers. Of course, none of the above actually conforms that Sober was the father of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904, but it is known that the latter Arthur was born about 1876 and his wife said in her affidavit in his probate that he said he was born Sunderland. Still, I've been undone by great looking red herrings in the past, so I hope this isn't another one. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:08 PM To: Julie Collins-Skellern ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 I have used the GRO site in the past to occasionally order a cert but hadn't realised about their new free index, so thanks for that Julie. There's another Arthur born that year in Co. Durham but not Sunderland R.D. Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, Stockton 10a, 61 And the new GRO indexes show that his mother's name was DOUGLASS , just what the doctor ordered, brilliant. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julie Collins-Skellern Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 The new GRO Indexes which show mother’s maiden name has Arthur COLLINS DecQ Sunderland, to mother, surnamed KEENAN! There are 116 Arthur COLLINS’ born in a five year period in the UK around that time. My maiden name is COLLINS, but I’m not related. Just saw the name, and applied some additional information. I could suggest other avenues, that *don’t* rely on merely looking at other peoples’ trees, but I don;t know what research you’ve otherwie undertaken. Julie On 1/02/2017, at 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:54:10 +1300 From: Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I?m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. peter The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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Hello All I have added another 300 names to the Waimairi Cemetery List do email for any photos you would like. Beverley Evans Christchurch NZ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/Gravestone.Photos/Waimari.Cemetery.gravestone.inscriptions.html -- http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/ 15yrs of newspaper transcriptions --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Looking for a Death notice and possibly an obituary for Arthur Edward SAVAGE whose death is Reg’d in Hamilton NZ in Jan 1954. And also for his wife Violet Ada nee MATTHEWS who died in 1947, maybe also in Hamilton NZ. He was a music composer and teacher and both were heavily involved in music and theatre. Many thanks Glenys

Hi Beth, as a member of NZ Archaeological Assn, I have access to ArchSite, the national archaeological site recording database. There are probably about 80 sites recorded around the bay, headlands and immediate area inland. About 70% of those are Maori pa, or associated features such as middens, pits or terraces. About 6-8 are 'gum diggings' and two are 'gumdiggers camps' (one has a question-mark, indicating uncertainty). There is one 'house site' and one 'historic house site'. If any of these may be of interest to you, pse let me know & Ill run reports & send them to you direct. I suspect only the two camps and 'house sites' may be of interest. From what Ive seen, they are fairly skimpy reports anyway, but they may give owner's names etc. Looking at the site names, I'd say gum digging was the main pakeha activity in the area, up till 1900. (Arch sites are normally pre-1900, by definition.) regards, Dave W. ________________________________________ From: NEW-ZEALAND [[email protected]] on behalf of [email protected] [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 30 January 2017 1:58 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 34 Send NEW-ZEALAND mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/new-zealand or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NEW-ZEALAND digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Tangitiki - Wairoa (Beth Wagstaff) 2. Re: Tangitiki - Wairoa (Graham L Jones) 3. New Zealand census records (John Wilson) 4. Re: NZ Births Index -missing names (John Wilson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:56:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> To: New-zealand <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Evening all. On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki Bay. ?It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, and post office. ?A couple of dozen people at least lived there. ?The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was merged into Kaipara District. I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the census.. Can anyone help me? Many thanks, Beth ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 11:10:25 +1300 From: Graham L Jones <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Hello Beth, A quick search brought up an article in the Kaipara Lifestyler with a brief mention of Isaac McLeod and Tangitiki: > http://www.kaiparalifestyler.co.nz/Of_Interest.cfm?NewsID=1406 You may find it worth while contacting the Dargaville Museum (via their website) to see if they have any more information about the settlement of Tangitiki. Census results aren't available for NZ but you may be able to access the Electoral results for the 1900 general election on Ancestry of Find My Past (if you're a member). Kelly's Bay is the next bay south and is still populated with some residents plus holiday homes, someone there may have knowledge of Tangitiki's past. An extract from the Northland Regional Council's mapping project says: > P08/101 Tangitiki Estuary Wetland and Shrubland; and P08/213 Waimamaku > Estuary, Shrubland and Rushland in Natural Areas of Kaipara Ecological > District (Northland Conservancy) 2009 Existing landscape assessment: > N/A (Proposed DP Variation 1 under appeal) *Sites of cultural and > historic heritage value: None identified, including through iwi > consultation, which would influence coastal environment boundary.* Just remembered someone who would probably know about the settlement: > http://www.kauricoast.co.nz/d_Attractions.cfm?Scope=District&WPID=6287 Look for Eco Tourism - Logan Forrest, who has a vast knowledge of local history. Hope that is of some help. Cheers, Graham On 29/01/2017 11:56 p.m., Beth Wagstaff wrote: > Evening all. > On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. > Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. > At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was merged into Kaipara District. > I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. > I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? > And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the census.. > Can anyone help me? > Many thanks, > Beth > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:37:06 +1300 From: John Wilson <[email protected]> To: New-zealand <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] New Zealand census records Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Hi All: Re New Zealand census results, some census results have been kept since 1966, but any (maybe not full) access will not be possible until 100 years or 2066! There are some 19th century records available e.g. a police ?census? of Auckland in the 1840s or Maori censuses. See article by Donald Hansen in the New Zealand Genealogist of May-June 2011. So for the 20th century try the electoral rolls, or Wises and Stones directories which up to the 1950s listed names of householders (often by address in cities). Yours, John Wilson ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:58:21 +1300 From: John Wilson <[email protected]> To: "'new-zealand'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nz] NZ Births Index -missing names Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Hi All: The Registrar-General has replied re a ?missing? death which was in the microfiche of 1976 deaths, saying the entry was missed off the historic online website but is now there. The 1976 death was of Stewart Wilburn LINDSAY, born 13 December 1901, and registered 1902 (a pre-Christmas birth to Joseph and Mary!) and died 16 August 1976. He is buried in the Owaka Cemetery. NB: birth has "Willburn" but death has "Wilburn". Yours, John Wilson Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay. A check of our death records has been made. I confirm while we have the image this was missed off the online website. This has now been upgraded and should now show in the online website. 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Evening List Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum in it. Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to Wairoa Stream. Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. Robyn On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: > Hi Beth , > > Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the Tangitiki > polling booth . > > Cheers , > Ray > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Evening all. >> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and >> some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki >> Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it >> just known as Tangitiki. >> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, >> and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store >> owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >> merged into Kaipara District. >> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it >> was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all >> gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? >> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be >> most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the >> census.. >> Can anyone help me? >> Many thanks, >> Beth >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wises Index to Every Place in New Zealand 1912 TANGITIKI, Auckland. 78 m N.W. from Auckland, railway to Helensville. then steamer 4 times wkly 40 m. Tel at Tangaihi, 4 m. Tangi means "to weep." and tiki "greenstone ornament." It is said Maoris lost a tiki and held a tangi over it. Is on Northern Wairoa River. Gum-digging and agriculture. Nearest doctor at Kopurn, 20 m. Post office. Create a census. Maybe there is a database somewhere listing the gumdiggers. The 1898 Kauri Gum Industry Act and its 1908 amendment required gum diggers working on government land to be licensed. Some were Dalmatian. B. Segulin lived there in 1915 John August Olsen, Tangitiki 7 June 1907 Memorial for Naturalisation Alfred Anderson, Tangitiki 15 February 1908 Memorial for Naturalisation Axel Leonard Albrecht, Tangitiki 1 October 1908 Memorial for Naturalisation Thomas Masters, [Gumdigger, Norway], Tangitiki 25 October 1909 Memorial for naturalisation Oluf Alfred Andersen, Tangitiki 6 November 1909 Memorial for naturalisation Axel Leonard Albrecht, Tangitiki 11 June 1910 Memorial for naturalisation C Hunt, Tangitiki 14 August 1911 For permit to raffle Kauri gum model of a lighthouse Isaac McLeod, Justice of the Peace, Tangitiki 8 June 1908 Resigns as Justice of the Peace Bush Advocate 8 August 1905 Page 5 Dargaville, August 7 Walter Proctor, aged forty-five years, suddenly expired in McLeod's store at Tangitiki on Saturday. At the inquest a verdict of death from heart disease was returned. New Zealand Herald 18 July 1918 Messrs. Alfred Anderson and William Hunter, reported their mate, Mr. Charles Smith, was believed to be drowned. They were engaged in the towage of flax on the Wairoa River at Dargaville. Mr. Smith was a married resident of Tangitiki, and leaves a widow and three children. Hobson County (In Marsden Subdivision) Mcleod, Isaac, Tangitiki (via Helensville) had 500 sheep for the year ending April 1902. He did not have any sheep the previous year. Gibson, William, 26/1139, Tangitiki, gumdigger, self employed, born at Helensville 3rd Oct. 1894 (John "Jack" Gibson, father) *From: Beth Wagstaff < [email protected]>Subject: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:56:40 +0000 (UTC) * *Evening all. On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was merged into Kaipara District. I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the census.. Can anyone help me? Many thanks, Beth*

Hi Beth , Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the Tangitiki polling booth . Cheers , Ray On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> wrote: > Evening all. > On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and > some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki > Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it > just known as Tangitiki. > Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, > and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store > owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. > At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was > merged into Kaipara District. > I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. > I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it > was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all > gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? > And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be > most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the > census.. > Can anyone help me? > Many thanks, > Beth > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

​Hi all i need help with my computer i live in Upper Hutt and would prefer someone who has an understanding of FTM. Has anyone used someone they were pleased with or know someone who would be able to help. I have used a company who came to the house in little black cars!!! the first time they were very good but second time really had no interest. Hoping i can get help Cheers Christine

MEACHEN, Gloria. The Press 17 Apr 2002 Thank you Jenny

Try the CHCH libraries maybe they will do a lookup from the microfilm. Fill out contact form with details or email. https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/contact-us/ mailto:[email protected] http://file.stuff.co.nz/legacy-assets/stuff/asset/Death_Notices_2000_to_2007.pdf http://file.stuff.co.nz/legacy-assets/stuff/asset/2008.pdf http://multimedia.stuff.co.nz/thepress/2009.pdf http://multimedia.stuff.co.nz/thepress/2010.pdf Tips for the Death Notice indexes 1) Names may not be as they appear; e.g. ‘Jim’ may appear as ‘James’ 2) There may be several different Death Notices for the same person. 3) More than one person may have the same name. 4) Not everyone who has died will have had a death notice. On 30 January 2017 at 04:45, Jenny <[email protected]> wrote: > MEACHEN, Gloria. > > The Press 17 Apr 2002 > Thank you Jenny > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All: The Registrar-General has replied re a “missing” death which was in the microfiche of 1976 deaths, saying the entry was missed off the historic online website but is now there. The 1976 death was of Stewart Wilburn LINDSAY, born 13 December 1901, and registered 1902 (a pre-Christmas birth to Joseph and Mary!) and died 16 August 1976. He is buried in the Owaka Cemetery. NB: birth has "Willburn" but death has "Wilburn". Yours, John Wilson Thank you for your email and apologies for the delay. A check of our death records has been made. I confirm while we have the image this was missed off the online website. This has now been upgraded and should now show in the online website. In regards to the birth entry, I have checked the record and can confirm that the details we have recorded are correct according to the original paper-based registration.

Hi All: Re New Zealand census results, some census results have been kept since 1966, but any (maybe not full) access will not be possible until 100 years or 2066! There are some 19th century records available e.g. a police “census” of Auckland in the 1840s or Maori censuses. See article by Donald Hansen in the New Zealand Genealogist of May-June 2011. So for the 20th century try the electoral rolls, or Wises and Stones directories which up to the 1950s listed names of householders (often by address in cities). Yours, John Wilson

Hello Beth, A quick search brought up an article in the Kaipara Lifestyler with a brief mention of Isaac McLeod and Tangitiki: > http://www.kaiparalifestyler.co.nz/Of_Interest.cfm?NewsID=1406 You may find it worth while contacting the Dargaville Museum (via their website) to see if they have any more information about the settlement of Tangitiki. Census results aren't available for NZ but you may be able to access the Electoral results for the 1900 general election on Ancestry of Find My Past (if you're a member). Kelly's Bay is the next bay south and is still populated with some residents plus holiday homes, someone there may have knowledge of Tangitiki's past. An extract from the Northland Regional Council's mapping project says: > P08/101 Tangitiki Estuary Wetland and Shrubland; and P08/213 Waimamaku > Estuary, Shrubland and Rushland in Natural Areas of Kaipara Ecological > District (Northland Conservancy) 2009 Existing landscape assessment: > N/A (Proposed DP Variation 1 under appeal) *Sites of cultural and > historic heritage value: None identified, including through iwi > consultation, which would influence coastal environment boundary.* Just remembered someone who would probably know about the settlement: > http://www.kauricoast.co.nz/d_Attractions.cfm?Scope=District&WPID=6287 Look for Eco Tourism - Logan Forrest, who has a vast knowledge of local history. Hope that is of some help. Cheers, Graham On 29/01/2017 11:56 p.m., Beth Wagstaff wrote: > Evening all. > On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. > Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. > At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was merged into Kaipara District. > I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. > I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? > And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the census.. > Can anyone help me? > Many thanks, > Beth > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519

Glennise Fergusson.. CLIMO family... apologise if name spelt incorrectly with the first name, now over the last few yeas, I have been receiving CLIMO news, all of a sudden it stopped last year, has she died, ill.... Carterton had a Climo family at one stage, hence my interest! I have sent messages. on My Heritage for her, no response..she had a wonderful website.. thanks Adele -- Adele Pentony-Graham Carterton Cemetery Clareville Researcher Carterton Researcher. and Featherston. WW1. Cemetery.

I am looking for the shipping arrivals to NZ from Queensland AUS around 1900 and the shipping departures from Auckland NZ to Queensland AUS about 1905 for . Harry BURTON and wife Eliza (nee HEATHER) Harry and Eliza had 12 children. 2 children died as infants. 1.1873 Ada b UK d AUS 2.1875 Thomas Nicholson b AUS m 1898 Sarah Kate MEAD in AUS 3.1879 Alexander Montague b AUS m 1903 Mary Ann PAGE in AUS 4.1879 Charles Fredrick b AUS m 1902 Edith Mabel HANSEN in NZ 5. 1881 Roselena b AUS m Hubert BUSH-KIND in NZ 6. 1883 Lottie Matilda b AUS m 1.James PEARSE 2.Harold Gordon ROBERTS both in NZ 7. 1885 George William b AUS m Ada Matilda DEAN in AUS 8. 1887 Harry b AUS m Elizabeth May CARTER in NZ 9. 1889 Evangeline b AUS m William PICKERING in NZ 10. 1891 James Amos b AUS m Myrtle Ruby ADDINSON in NZ 11. 1893 Joseph b AUS d AUS 12. 1897 Ethel May Catherine b AUS m Frank RAWLINSON in NZ The family story I was told . the family sailed to NZ and then returned to AUS a few years later. Eliza found it far too hot in AUS and Harry and Eliza with some of the family returned to NZ. I would like to find their shipping arrivals and departures. Whether they all sailed together on the same ship -I don't know. Where do I look? Thanks Gracie

Evening all. On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki Bay.  It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, and post office.  A couple of dozen people at least lived there.  The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was merged into Kaipara District. I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the census.. Can anyone help me? Many thanks, Beth

I am wondering if anyone that is going to the Archives in the next few weeks would look at 2 probates/Wills for me willing to help out with travel/petrol costsMany thanksLinda

Regarding the evidence for the HARVEY family on the ship WAIPA in 1877 being the MADDREN family who are reputed to have arrived at Lyttelton on it..... I think I have the marriage of James MADDREN’s parents, John & Elizabeth (Betsy) MADDRON, who lived at Newlyn in Paul parish which is not far from Penzance in Cornwall. Their first child John was baptised 27 Dec 1831 at Paul parish. England, Cornwall Parish Registers Baptisms Solemnised in the parish of Paul in the County of Cornwall in the Year 1831 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTJ7-XKQ Baptism 27 Dec 1831 John, son of John & Elizh MADDERN, abode Newlyn, Fisherman, ceremony by __? GURNEY, Curate This marriage fits beautifully, with Elizabeth’s maiden name as HARVEY. There isn’t an alternative marriage in terms of time and place. http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1160407 Marriage 30 Jan 1831, Paul parish, by Banns John MADDRAN, of this parish (signed) Elizabeth HARVEY, of this parish (signed) Witnesses, Charles HARVEY (mark), Richd. PENTREATH This is the baptism for James who came to NZ.. England, Cornwall Parish Registers Baptisms Solemnised in the parish of Paul in the County of Cornwall in the Year 1844 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTJ7-332 Baptism 10 May 1844 James, son of John & Betsy MADDERN, abode Newlyn, Fisherman, ceremony by __? GURNEY, Curate Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 5:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MADDREN versus HARVEY I’ve been looking at my brother-in-law’s grandmother’s people called MADDREN in Christchurch who came from Cornwall, especially James MADDREN & Eliza Jane PEARCE who are reported to have brought their young family from the Penzance area of Cornwall to Canterbury on the chip WAIPA which arrived Lyttelton on 25 Jan 1877. The obituary for James and another for one of his sons mention about arrival by the ship WAIPA, and that info is repeated on the MacDonald Index card for James MADDREN at Canterbury Museum. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19090712.2.66?query=maddren Star, Issue 9592, 12 July 1909, p.3 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN James below is the son of James above. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19310630.2.144?query="charles maddren" Press, Volume LXVII, Issue 20276, 30 June 1931, p.15 OBITUARY. MR JAMES MADDREN The obit for James senior states that, “He came to New Zealand by the ship Waipa in 1877, landing with his wife and five sons, one of whom was born on the day the ship entered harbour, on January 25.” There seems to be a bit of confusion for researchers about the ins and outs of this family and relations in total but what I’ve worked out is that James had two brothers and a sister who also came out to NZ – they can be found in shipping pax lists plus James’ obit states that he had two brothers and a sister in NZ. James and his brothers in NZ were rope makers with James in particular working for a firm in that line then setting up a similar and successful business in which he involved his sons. There were seven siblings in Cornwall altogether, their parents being John, a fisherman, and Elizabeth/Betsy MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON who lived at Newlyn in Paul parish, very near Penzance. The surname name varies in Cornwall but the spelling MADDREN is consistent in NZ. Of the siblings, James and family came to NZ in 1877, Richard & wife and child born at sea came to NZ in 1879 on the ship BOYNE, and John and Bessie, who had stayed with their mother Betsy until her death in 1895, came out to NZ in 1908 on the ship RUAPEHU. These people can be found buried in Addington and Sydenham cemeteries as well as other relations. Siblings who remained in Cornwall were Jane, Louisa and William. It looks like William had a sizeable family in Cornwall going by a couple of databases by other people. I don’t know what happened to Louisa or Jane but I haven’t looked hard yet. Maybe I should look in NZ, who knows. Now the problem I have. As I said above James & Eliza Jane and family are supposed to have arrived NZ in 1877 on the ship WAIPA......but there is no such MADDREN / MADDERN / MADRON family on the WAIPA passenger list at Familysearch. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6D33-53D?i=4&cc=1609792 The nearest I can get is a family on the WAIPA called HARVEY arriving from Cornwall. The child who was supposedly born 25 Jan 1877 the day the ship arrived in the NZ BDMs is named Samuel Harvey MADDREN, parents James Harvey & Eliza Jane MADDREN. For subsequent births in NZ the parents are just James & Eliza Jane MADDREN. James’ brother Richard had two daughters called Elizabeth Harvey MADDREN, the first dying due to a tragic accident when young. The structure of the HARVEY family on the ship WAIPA is similar to that of the Cornwall-born family of James & Eliza Jane MADDREN to that point. Known MADDREN issue to James & Eliza Jane (they are in their correct birth order although I don’t have a couple of dates): William John MADDREN born Cornwall about 1870 James MADDREN born Cornwall about 1871 Richard MADDREN born Cornwall Charles MADDREN born Cornwall Samuel Harvey MADDREN born NZ (just) 25 Jan 1877 Joseph Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1879 Louisa Jane MADDREN born NZ 1881 Arnold Pearce MADDREN born NZ 1883 Ethel May MADDREN born NZ 1885 Ethel May is my brother-in-law’s grandmother. HARVEY family on the ship: James HARVEY 32 Cornwall Carpenter Jane HARVEY 29 John HARVEY 07 James HARVEY 05 Richard HARVEY 03 Charles HARVEY 01 So, doesn anyone know if in fact the HARVEY family is also the MADDREN family? For it to work, Eliza Jane the MADDREN mother has to be known familiarly as Jane, and her eldest son William John has to be known familiarly as John. Another problem is that James was a rope maker in Cornwall which is also what he did in NZ, but on the ship James HARVEY is a carpenter. Could have described himself as having an occupation wanted in the colonies to ensure selection for an assisted passage? I am unable to find a suitable MADDREN family on another ship, and the above coincidence of similar families is not quite good enough to feel confident about it, so I’m hoping someone will have inside knowledge. Peter