Yes but the most striking thing about it is the width rather than the length, though both are substantial. Ruawai (two waters) at the lower reaches is really back to front - usually it is object first then description, so it should be Wairua. Local signpost has both. Graham On 2/02/2017 10:48 a.m., Murray Reid wrote: > Most Maori place names are descriptive and "Wairoa" simply means river. > Wai is water > Roa is long > Therefore Wairoa is long water. > Murray Reid > Tuakau > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Graham L Jones > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa > > Yes even here in Dargaville it's always known and described as the Northern > Wairoa river, and the area around it is known as Northern Wairoa - though > you won't find that on any map! > > Graham > > On 2/02/2017 10:12 a.m., Shirley Arabin wrote: >> There is also a Wairoa River in Tauranga. The river at Kaipara >> sometimes called the Northern Wairoa to make the distinction from all the > others. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NEW-ZEALAND >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of Dragonplace >> Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 8:36 p.m. >> To: Ray Rob <[email protected]>; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa >> >> Evening List >> >> Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum in > it. >> Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. >> >> Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to >> Wairoa Stream. >> >> Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. >> >> Robyn >> >> >> On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: >>> Hi Beth , >>> >>> Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the >>> Tangitiki polling booth . >>> >>> Cheers , >>> Ray >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> Evening all. >>>> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River >>>> and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as >>>> Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and >>>> worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. >>>> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, >>>> wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived >>>> there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >>>> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >>>> merged into Kaipara District. >>>> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >>>> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly >>>> where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were >>>> the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses >>>> still >> left standing? >>>> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I >>>> would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details >>>> from the census.. >>>> Can anyone help me? >>>> Many thanks, >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > -- > Graham Jones, > 139 Hokianga Road, > DARGAVILLE 0310 > 09-439-8519 > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519

Most Maori place names are descriptive and "Wairoa" simply means river. Wai is water Roa is long Therefore Wairoa is long water. Murray Reid Tuakau -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Graham L Jones Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 10:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa Yes even here in Dargaville it's always known and described as the Northern Wairoa river, and the area around it is known as Northern Wairoa - though you won't find that on any map! Graham On 2/02/2017 10:12 a.m., Shirley Arabin wrote: > There is also a Wairoa River in Tauranga. The river at Kaipara > sometimes called the Northern Wairoa to make the distinction from all the others. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Dragonplace > Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 8:36 p.m. > To: Ray Rob <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa > > Evening List > > Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum in it. > > Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. > > Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to > Wairoa Stream. > > Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. > > Robyn > > > On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: >> Hi Beth , >> >> Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the >> Tangitiki polling booth . >> >> Cheers , >> Ray >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> Evening all. >>> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River >>> and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as >>> Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and >>> worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. >>> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, >>> wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived >>> there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >>> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >>> merged into Kaipara District. >>> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >>> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly >>> where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were >>> the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses >>> still > left standing? >>> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I >>> would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details >>> from the census.. >>> Can anyone help me? >>> Many thanks, >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519 The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes even here in Dargaville it's always known and described as the Northern Wairoa river, and the area around it is known as Northern Wairoa - though you won't find that on any map! Graham On 2/02/2017 10:12 a.m., Shirley Arabin wrote: > There is also a Wairoa River in Tauranga. The river at Kaipara sometimes > called the Northern Wairoa to make the distinction from all the others. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Dragonplace > Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 8:36 p.m. > To: Ray Rob <[email protected]>; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa > > Evening List > > Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum in it. > > Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. > > Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to Wairoa > Stream. > > Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. > > Robyn > > > On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: >> Hi Beth , >> >> Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the >> Tangitiki polling booth . >> >> Cheers , >> Ray >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> > wrote: >>> Evening all. >>> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River >>> and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as >>> Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and >>> worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. >>> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, >>> wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived >>> there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >>> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >>> merged into Kaipara District. >>> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >>> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly >>> where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were >>> the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still > left standing? >>> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I >>> would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details >>> from the census.. >>> Can anyone help me? >>> Many thanks, >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Graham Jones, 139 Hokianga Road, DARGAVILLE 0310 09-439-8519

There is also a Wairoa River in Tauranga. The river at Kaipara sometimes called the Northern Wairoa to make the distinction from all the others. -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dragonplace Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 8:36 p.m. To: Ray Rob <[email protected]>; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Tangitiki - Wairoa Evening List Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum in it. Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to Wairoa Stream. Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. Robyn On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: > Hi Beth , > > Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the > Tangitiki polling booth . > > Cheers , > Ray > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Evening all. >> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River >> and some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as >> Tangitiki Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and >> worked there when it just known as Tangitiki. >> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, >> wharf, and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived >> there. The store owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >> merged into Kaipara District. >> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly >> where it was located, how people came to and went from there, were >> the people all gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? >> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I >> would be most grateful to know who lived there and the other details >> from the census.. >> Can anyone help me? >> Many thanks, >> Beth >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too, am very sorry about Anne. My father's mother was a decendant of the families who settled in Waipu after arriving in Auckland on the Breadalbane, and descendants still live there today. Anne helped me massively when I first heard about the Waipu Museum, and over the years as I got more and more hooked. I'm sad that I never got around to telling her about my 3 times great grandfather, and his sad story, while he came to Australia as a soldier and the 65th Regiment, his Dad was languishing as a prisoner in Van Diemens land, after being found gulity of stealing two tankards from his estranged wife's pub. But for all Anne's help, I would never have found him. Jan Moon Queensland On 2/02/2017 3:16 PM, Adele Pentony-Graham wrote: > I am very sorry to read in NZSG Magazine the death of ANNE PICKETTS, > we never met, got very close some years ago when I was in WAIPU but > couldnt find her in town, she wasnt on duty at the Museum that day, I > had chance to be visiting with the King descendants and said I would > love to meet Anne at Waipu.. She had roots down at Clareville > Cemetery. > > Found Anne like most genealogist very helpful.. she will be sadly missed. > > Adele >

Hello Julie-Ann, Can you make it a bit easier and narrow it down to where they first settled? Same with the Thomas YOUNG and Jessie Maud BEVAN family North Island or South. Canterbury or Otago or maybe Auckland? By train across the country to Vancouver or an Francisco. The US transcontinental railway was completed about 1865. There was the San Francisco Service, U.S. P.s. mail steamer, with a call in to Honolulu and another call in at Fiji. By 1870s regular transpacific crossings commenced. The Panama, New Zealand & Australia Royal Mail Co. was formed June 15 1866 to operate monthly sailings in each direction between Sydney, Wellington and Panama with four ships. The Panama, New Zealand & Australia Royal Mail Co. was formed June 15 1866. The Pacific Mail Steamship Company 1870s. In 1885 the Oceanic Steamship Company obtained the subsidised mail contract. On 1 February 2017 at 02:56, Julie-Ann <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all > > Interested in Joseph Thomas SQUIRE b 1846 Canada in NZ by 1875 > > Have his probate/employment etc and descendants but trying to locate his > entry into NZ and also how would someone get to NZ from Ontario > > Thanks > > Julie-Ann > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Interested in Joseph Thomas SQUIRE b 1846 Canada in NZ by 1875 Have his probate/employment etc and descendants but trying to locate his entry into NZ and also how would someone get to NZ from Ontario Thanks Julie-Ann --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello all J Interested in Thomas YOUNG who m Jessie Maud BEVAN 1886 Havent been able to find either Thomas ' birth in NZ or his arrival in NZ Any help gratefully received Julie-Ann --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Thanks Graham I’ve found all those things online since the initial enquiry but the one thing missing is absolute proof that Sober and co are the right people despite the way things are hanging together. I live in Chch and so I know the OPR index cards at Chch libraries well, and as you say they may well have the answer re the marriage. I’ll probably try to make it tomorrow afternoon if I haven’t found proof otherwise by then. This morning I was held up by not being able to get onto Ancestry.com (got back on mid afternoon) which was when I asked if someone positively knew of the connection. I’ve had quite a few replies since my initial enquiry with quite a few being off the list, and it is gratifying that so many listers are really keen to help, but of course they always are. Arthur is my brother-in-law’s maternal grandfather, which is why I’ve been keen to get a result. The name Sober is curious to our eyes but there is a SOBER surname, and of course there is SOBERS, and so it could actually be a clue to further ancestry. Cheers Peter From: Graham Hoult Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 5:56 PM To: [email protected] Cc: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: [nz] Sober COLLINS Hi Peter A search on the BDM Historical Records website indicates that Arthur COLLINS married Mary Louisa WEBB on 14 December 1904. I have searched on Papers Past but haven’t managed to find a reference to their marriage :-( *If* they married in a local church there *may* be an index card with a full transcript including names of parents in the Parish Register Index at the Manchester Street branch of the Christchurch Public Library. Someone visiting the library will hopefully have a look for you. Naturally, there won’t be an Parish Register index card if they were married at a Registry office. Later : I now see that a tree on Ancestry says that they married at Glentunnel The 1905-1906 Lyttelton electoral roll includes these COLLINS listings 965 COLLINS Arthur - Heathcote Valley - carpenter 970 COLLINS Mary Jane - Heathcote Valley - domestic duties 971 COLLINS Mary Louisa - Heathcote Valley - wife 972 COLLINS Sober Armstrong - Heathcote Valley - carpenter There are other COLLINS listed in the main roll, but none recorded as living in the Heathcote Valley. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch It does look likely they are father and son given that they have the same occupation. As a general rule, the information in documents nearer the birth is likely to be more accurate than something late in life (e.g. a death registration) when people may not know. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. Here are their birth registration index entries as found the new (November 2016) GRO BDM site that include the mother’s maiden surname https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Mother’s Maiden Surname COLLINS, JOHN WILLIAM DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 512 COLLINS, ALFRED DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 575 COLLINS, ARTHUR DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 664 For what it’s worth, I also found this birth registration index entry COLLINS, ROSE ELLEN DOUGLAS GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 457 One has to register to view the above indexes, but there is no charge unless you order a certificate. Hopefully someone visiting the CHCH library will look for a transcript for Arthur COLLIN’s marriage in the Parish Register index - or possibly a marriage report in the Press of The Star., If there isn’t a record suggest that you get a cheaper marriage printout rather than a legal certificate - and either of those rather than a death registration document. Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 Peter Dillon <[email protected]> messaged Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS I’m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com appears to be down at the moment. peter

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> Evening List > > Wairoa River I know is in the Hawkes Bay, it is large and I have swum > in it. > > Wairoa Stream is in the Coromandel area. > > Wairoa Pa is in the Wairoa Valley, Coromandel area and adjacent to > Wairoa Stream. > > Please be careful in ensuring WHICH Wairoa you are writing about. > > Robyn > > > On 31/01/17 08:47, Ray Rob wrote: >> Hi Beth , >> >> Regarding the General election 1905 , 35 votes were cast at the Tangitiki >> polling booth . >> >> Cheers , >> Ray >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Beth Wagstaff<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Evening all. >>> On the western side of the Kaipara, on the edge of the Wairoa River and >>> some 25 kms or so south of Dargaville, is a place now known as Tangitiki >>> Bay. It would seem that quite a few people lived and worked there when it >>> just known as Tangitiki. >>> Around 1900, Tangitiki was a small community with a general store, wharf, >>> and post office. A couple of dozen people at least lived there. The store >>> owner was a man named Isaac McLeod. >>> At that time, the area was part of Hobson County, but in 1989 it was >>> merged into Kaipara District. >>> I gather that the main occupation of those living there was gum digging. >>> I am trying to find out about the village of Tangitiki - exactly where it >>> was located, how people came to and went from there, were the people all >>> gum-diggers, is any part of the community/houses still left standing? >>> And also, if anyone has access to the 1901 census for the area, I would be >>> most grateful to know who lived there and the other details from the >>> census.. >>> Can anyone help me? >>> Many thanks, >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hi Robyn Stating the obvious I know but your posts have made it to the list Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 01-Feb-17 7:24 AM, Dragonplace wrote: > > Roots web > > I have been a member of Roots web for some years. > > Why are my emails no longer appearing when I send them to Roots web?? > > Robyn

Hi Peter A search on the BDM Historical Records website indicates that Arthur COLLINS married Mary Louisa WEBB on 14 December 1904. I have searched on Papers Past but haven’t managed to find a reference to their marriage :-( *If* they married in a local church there *may* be an index card with a full transcript including names of parents in the Parish Register Index at the Manchester Street branch of the Christchurch Public Library. Someone visiting the library will hopefully have a look for you. Naturally, there won’t be an Parish Register index card if they were married at a Registry office. Later : I now see that a tree on Ancestry says that they married at Glentunnel The 1905-1906 Lyttelton electoral roll includes these COLLINS listings 965 COLLINS Arthur - Heathcote Valley - carpenter 970 COLLINS Mary Jane - Heathcote Valley - domestic duties 971 COLLINS Mary Louisa - Heathcote Valley - wife 972 COLLINS Sober Armstrong - Heathcote Valley - carpenter There are other COLLINS listed in the main roll, but none recorded as living in the Heathcote Valley. > It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch It does look likely they are father and son given that they have the same occupation. As a general rule, the information in documents nearer the birth is likely to be more accurate than something late in life (e.g. a death registration) when people may not know. > In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. > > Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. Here are their birth registration index entries as found the new (November 2016) GRO BDM site that include the mother’s maiden surname https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp Mother’s Maiden Surname COLLINS, JOHN WILLIAM DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 512 COLLINS, ALFRED DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 575 COLLINS, ARTHUR DOUGLASS GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 664 For what it’s worth, I also found this birth registration index entry COLLINS, ROSE ELLEN DOUGLAS GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 457 One has to register to view the above indexes, but there is no charge unless you order a certificate. Hopefully someone visiting the CHCH library will look for a transcript for Arthur COLLIN’s marriage in the Parish Register index - or possibly a marriage report in the Press of The Star., If there isn’t a record suggest that you get a cheaper marriage printout rather than a legal certificate - and either of those rather than a death registration document. Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury On Wed, 1 Feb 2017 Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged > Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS > > I’m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. > > It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. > > Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? > > Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. > > The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. > > However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. > > > In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. > > Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. > > FreeBMD > https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> > Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 > > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> > Sober Armstrong COLLINS > England Births and Christenings > Name Sober Armstrong Collins > Gender Male > Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 > Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND > Father's Name John COLLNS > Mother's Name Ann > Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 > Film number 90653, 90654 > > > FreeBMD > https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> > Marriages 2Q 1867 > COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 > DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 > > > FreeBMD > https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> > Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 > Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 > Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 > > > https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> > 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y > [ died 18 May 1944 ] > > As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. > > peter >

Jenelle pointed out that while Ancestry was down I should try FreeCEN. It came up trumps for 1871. Then I got my ancestry connection back and found further entries. If I'd had my Ancestry connection before, I would never have pestered the list with my emails. It turns out that Sober's parents John & Ann took their family from Penrith to Sunderland, appearing at South Hylton, Durham in 1851 and Sunderland (Bishopwearmouth) in 1861 and by 1871 Sober was at Sunderland with his own family with only Arthur yet to be born. 02 Apr 1871 Census of England & Wales @ 4 Brougham Street, St Peters Bishopwearmouth, Co. Durham Sober Armstrong COLLINS Head Marr 28 House Joiner b. Penrith, Cumberland Mary Jane COLLINS Wife Marr 25 b. Sunderland, Durham John Wm COLLINS Son 02 b. Sunderland, Durham Alfred COLLINS Son 01 b.Sunderland, Durham Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 These will be all three brothers I feel. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William, DOUGLASS Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, DOUGLASS, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, DOUGLASS, Stockton 10a, 61 Probate Sober Armstrong COLLINS wife: Mary Jane 3 sons: John William COLLINS Alfred COLLINS Arthur COLLINS Died at Kaikoura while visiting son 2 Dec 1910 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19101223.2.17?query="sober armstrong collins" heathcote Star, Issue 10035, 23 December 1910, p.1 OBITUARY One of the oldest residents of Heathcote Valley, Mr Sober Armstrong Collins, passed away at his son's residence, Torquay Street, Kaikoura, on Friday, December 2. Deceased, who was born at Penrith, Cumberland; came to New Zealand with his family in the Crusader in 1879, and settled at Heathcote Valley. He was engaged in the building trade, and was always noted for the thoroughness of his work. He was closely connected with the Methodist Church, and was an ardent supporter of any effort for the uplifting of his fellow men. Though he took no active part in public life, he will long be remembered for his generosity and hospitality. He left a widow and three sons, all of whom are married. The funeral took place in Kaikoura on December 5, the Rev W. M'Ara officiating. A memorial service was conducted in the Heathcote Methodist Church on Sunday by the Rev J. N. Buttle, and was largely attended. Have discovered that Sober is in Canterbury Museum's online index as Soba. Card definitely says Sober. Basically repeats information in the newspapers. Of course, none of the above actually conforms that Sober was the father of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904, but it is known that the latter Arthur was born about 1876 and his wife said in her affidavit in his probate that he said he was born Sunderland. Still, I've been undone by great looking red herrings in the past, so I hope this isn't another one. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:08 PM To: Julie Collins-Skellern ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 I have used the GRO site in the past to occasionally order a cert but hadn't realised about their new free index, so thanks for that Julie. There's another Arthur born that year in Co. Durham but not Sunderland R.D. Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, Stockton 10a, 61 And the new GRO indexes show that his mother's name was DOUGLASS , just what the doctor ordered, brilliant. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julie Collins-Skellern Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 The new GRO Indexes which show mother’s maiden name has Arthur COLLINS DecQ Sunderland, to mother, surnamed KEENAN! There are 116 Arthur COLLINS’ born in a five year period in the UK around that time. My maiden name is COLLINS, but I’m not related. Just saw the name, and applied some additional information. I could suggest other avenues, that *don’t* rely on merely looking at other peoples’ trees, but I don;t know what research you’ve otherwie undertaken. Julie On 1/02/2017, at 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:54:10 +1300 From: Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I?m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. peter The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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These will be all three brothers I feel. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William, DOUGLASS Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, DOUGLASS, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, DOUGLASS, Stockton 10a, 61 Probate Sober Armstrong COLLINS wife: Mary Jane 3 sons: John William COLLINS Alfred COLLINS Arthur COLLINS Died at Kaikoura while visiting son 2 Dec 1910 https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19101223.2.17?query="sober armstrong collins" heathcote Star, Issue 10035, 23 December 1910, p.1 OBITUARY One of the oldest residents of Heathcote Valley, Mr Sober Armstrong Collins, passed away at his son's residence, Torquay Street, Kaikoura, on Friday, December 2. Deceased, who was born at Penrith, Cumberland; came to New Zealand with his family in the Crusader in 1879, and settled at Heathcote Valley. He was engaged in the building trade, and was always noted for the thoroughness of his work. He was closely connected with the Methodist Church, and was an ardent supporter of any effort for the uplifting of his fellow men. Though he took no active part in public life, he will long be remembered for his generosity and hospitality. He left a widow and three sons, all of whom are married. The funeral took place in Kaikoura on December 5, the Rev W. M'Ara officiating. A memorial service was conducted in the Heathcote Methodist Church on Sunday by the Rev J. N. Buttle, and was largely attended. Have discovered that Sober is in Canterbury Museum's online index as Soba. Card definitely says Sober. Basically repeats information in the newspapers. Of course, none of the above actually conforms that Sober was the father of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904, but it is known that the latter Arthur was born about 1876 and his wife said in her affidavit in his probate that he said he was born Sunderland. Still, I've been undone by great looking red herrings in the past, so I hope this isn't another one. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:08 PM To: Julie Collins-Skellern ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 I have used the GRO site in the past to occasionally order a cert but hadn't realised about their new free index, so thanks for that Julie. There's another Arthur born that year in Co. Durham but not Sunderland R.D. Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, Stockton 10a, 61 And the new GRO indexes show that his mother's name was DOUGLASS , just what the doctor ordered, brilliant. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julie Collins-Skellern Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 The new GRO Indexes which show mother’s maiden name has Arthur COLLINS DecQ Sunderland, to mother, surnamed KEENAN! There are 116 Arthur COLLINS’ born in a five year period in the UK around that time. My maiden name is COLLINS, but I’m not related. Just saw the name, and applied some additional information. I could suggest other avenues, that *don’t* rely on merely looking at other peoples’ trees, but I don;t know what research you’ve otherwie undertaken. Julie On 1/02/2017, at 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:54:10 +1300 From: Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I?m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. peter The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have used the GRO site in the past to occasionally order a cert but hadn't realised about their new free index, so thanks for that Julie. There's another Arthur born that year in Co. Durham but not Sunderland R.D. Births 4Q 1876 COLLINS Arthur, Stockton 10a, 61 And the new GRO indexes show that his mother's name was DOUGLASS , just what the doctor ordered, brilliant. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Julie Collins-Skellern Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 The new GRO Indexes which show mother’s maiden name has Arthur COLLINS DecQ Sunderland, to mother, surnamed KEENAN! There are 116 Arthur COLLINS’ born in a five year period in the UK around that time. My maiden name is COLLINS, but I’m not related. Just saw the name, and applied some additional information. I could suggest other avenues, that *don’t* rely on merely looking at other peoples’ trees, but I don;t know what research you’ve otherwie undertaken. Julie On 1/02/2017, at 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:54:10 +1300 From: Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I?m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. peter The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The new GRO Indexes which show mother’s maiden name has Arthur COLLINS DecQ Sunderland, to mother, surnamed KEENAN! There are 116 Arthur COLLINS’ born in a five year period in the UK around that time. My maiden name is COLLINS, but I’m not related. Just saw the name, and applied some additional information. I could suggest other avenues, that *don’t* rely on merely looking at other peoples’ trees, but I don;t know what research you’ve otherwie undertaken. Julie On 1/02/2017, at 1:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: Message: 4 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 13:54:10 +1300 From: Peter Dillon <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [nz] Sober COLLINS Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I?m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can?t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober?s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W <https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W> Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ <https://www.freebmd.org.uk/> Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ <https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/> 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com <http://ancestry.com/> appears to be down at the moment. peter

I’m trying to discover for sure the parents of Arthur COLLINS who married Mary Louisa WEBB in 1904. It looks like he was probably the son of Sober Armstrong COLLINS who lived at Heathcote Valley in Christchurch having arrived in Canterbury in 1879 on the ship Crusader with his wife Mary Jane and sons John William, Alfred and Arthur. I can’t find the passenger list at Familysearch but the family is in a passenger list in the newspapers. Can anyone confirm that Arthur is the son of Sober? Online trees about Sober says he was born at Penrith Cumberland, which appears to be correct. The odd tree that has Arthur (no parents given) has him born at Penrith too. However his widow Mary Louisa in an affidavit in his 1944 probate said that her husband told her he was born at Sunderland. In fact Sober was born and baptised at Penrith and is sure to be Sober Armstrong COLLINS married to Mary Ann DOUGLASS registered at Sunderland registration district in 1867. Probably all three sons were registered Sunderland when they were born. John William was the eldest son according to Sober’s 1910 probate. FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 1Q 1843, COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Penrith 25, 139 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5CJ-R5W Sober Armstrong COLLINS England Births and Christenings Name Sober Armstrong Collins Gender Male Christening Date 21 Feb 1843 Christening Place SAINT ANDREW, PENRITH, CUMBERLAND, ENGLAND Father's Name John COLLNS Mother's Name Ann Indexing Project (Batch) Number C00302-2 Film number 90653, 90654 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages 2Q 1867 COLLINS Sober Armstrong, Sunderland 10a, 702 DOUGLASS Mary Jane, Sunderland 10a ,702 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 3Q 1868, COLLINS John William Sunderland, 10a 512 Births 2Q 1870, COLLINS Alfred, Sunderland 10a, 575 Births 4Q 1876, COLLINS Arthur, Sunderland 10a, 688 https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/ 1944/23481 COLLINS Arthur 68Y [ died 18 May 1944 ] As my final act I was going to check out trees again and census info at Ancestry,com this morning, especially hoping that the census info would dovetail with everything, to avoid the expense of ordering a marriage or death cert for Arthur to confirm his parents as Sober and Mary Jane , but Ancestry.com appears to be down at the moment. peter

I can get into Ancestry ok. Heather Tauranga -----Original Message----- From: Rowan Gibbs Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:35 PM To: Peter Dillon ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Ancestry.com I'm having no problem at present Rowan Gibbs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dillon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:28 PM Subject: [nz] Ancestry.com > anyone else unable to access Ancestry.com today? > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message