I made an error. Richard BECK junior went to Victoria in 1855 not 1859. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Dillon Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 10:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) This isn’t a query, more an FYI for those trying to find Ann BECK’s origins in England. However if someone has noticed her baptism or her parents’ marriage I’ll be more than happy. She and her husband John WAKELIN emigrated to NZ arriving 31 Mar 1851 on the ship TRAVANCORE at Lyttelton where they settled. The problem for researchers is that Ann’s baptism doesn’t seem to be locatable online, nor does a bang-on marriage turn up, and so in trying to determine where she was born researchers have come up with a variety of places. I don’t think any of the ones I’ve seen given are right. Warwickshire, Sutton Coldfield, Aston (by Birmingham) and other places have been suggested. Leicestershire has been given because Ann’s death registration says she was born in Leicestershire. I’m confident that I have her correct birthplace as Market Bosworth in Leicestershire. Her english marriage and NZ death registrations have her father as Richard BECK, a bricklayer. Ann’s eldest child, Mary Ann WAKELIN, married William Washington WEBB. Mary Ann’s obituary says she was born at Bosworth, Leicestershire in 1844. That doesn’t imply that her mother Ann BECK was born there though because Ann’s children were born in a variety of places. But Bosworth is in Leicestershire and is therefore worth a good look. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19180531.2.4?query="ann wakelin" Press, Volume LIV, Issue 16226, 31 May 1918, p.2 Mrs Mary Ann Webb, who died at 67 Slater street, Richmond, last week, was the eldest daughter of the late John and Ann Wakelin, of Lyttelton. She was born at Bosworth, Leicestershire, on June 24th, 1844, and came to New Zealand with her parents in the ship Travancore, arriving in Lyttelton on March 31st, 1851. She had resided in Canterbury ever since, with the exception of one year spent in Australia. Mrs Webb went in a bullock dray to the first races held at Riccarton. She was married on January 4th, 1866 to Mr W. W. Webb, of Lyttelton and leaves a family of four sons, three daughters, and twelve grandchildren. Consideration of the above would probably have led researchers in the right direction. Maybe they looked hard for Ann in sources but missed Mary Ann’s obit. The next big clue arises from a consideration of what happened to Ann BECK’s daughter, Frances WAKELIN, whose name was on the passenger list to go to NZ but was apparently struck through. I can find no sign of her in NZ. TRAVANCORE, ship, 562 tons, sailed 6 Dec 1850 Gravesend, arrived 31 Mar 1851 Lyttelton with 149 settlers. John WAKELIN 30 Labourer Annie WAKELIN 30 Mary WAKELIN 06 Frances WAKELIN 04 (name crossed out) Thomas WAKELIN 02 Online researchers have Frances born 1846 and died 1850 but without sources. I think that those dates are an educated guess from the fact of Frances being 4 when her name was crossed out. The voyage began in 1850. In fact Ann BECK had two children called Frances, one baptised in 1845 at Castle Bromwich in Warwickshire along with a brother William, and a second Frances baptised in 1846 also at Castle Bromwich. The first Frances must have died very young and an easy to draw implication from the name being crossed off the passenger list is that the second one may have died young as well. I can’t find a death or burial for either Frances. I’ve had experience of people on passenger lists to NZ not actually making it, and there is the possibility that the second Francis took ill and couldn’t travel. So, to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, I had a look for Frances in census enumerations. Lo and behold, this entry surfaced straightaway. 30 Mar 1851 Census of England & Wales @ Village, Peckleton, Leicestershire John FLORENDINE Head Marr 31 Farm Labourer b. Hartshill, Warwick Mary FLORENDINE Wife Marr 28 b. Bosworth Mkt, Leicester Fanny WAKELIN Niece 05 Scholar b. Castle Bromwich, Warwick With Mary the wife born at Market Bosworth, my instant speculation was, ‘Is Mary’s maiden name BECK so that she can be a sister to Ann BECK and therefore aunt to Fanny?’ The answer is yes. FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages Dec 1843 BECK Mary, M. Bosworth 15, 311 FLORENDINE John, Market Bosworth 15, 311 The above led me to look for Mary BECK in the 1841 census. I didn’t find her – I found this Mary instead. 06 Jun 1841 Census of England & Wales @ Market Bosworth, Leicestershire Richard BECK 45 Bricklayer Y Mary BECK 40 Y Thomas BECK 10 Y Richard BECK 08 Y Susannah BECK 02 Y // William BECK 20 Bricklayer Y Elizabeth BECK 20 30 Mar 1851 Census of England & Wales @ Hoggard Street, Market Bosworth, Leicestershire Richard BECK Head Marr 56 Bricklayer Master employ 1 man b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh Mary BECK Wife Marr 54 b. Peckleton, Leicestersh Susannah BECK Dau 13 Scholar b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh Julia BECK Granddaughter 03 Scholar b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh In the absence of other candidates, if Richard BECK (tick), a bricklayer (tick) living at Market BOSWORTH and born at Market Bosworth (tick) is not the father of Ann BECK, then surely the Pope is not a Catholic? Richard died 1858 and Mary 1877. Fanny WAKELIN (Frances) was visiting John & Mary FLORENDINE at Peckleton in 1871, as Fanny DUVAL and with two children in tow. She married Thomas DUVAL in 1868 and they lived at Leicester the city. >From census information, Richard & Mary had a daughter Elizabeth BECK born about 1825 at Market Bosworth who married William JACQUES and lived at Walsall in Warwickshire. It gets even better. Richard & Mary had a son Richard who went to Victoria in 1859, married Sarah TAYLOR at Castlemaine in 1862, had issue in Victoria, then travelled to New Zealand where they had further issue, settling at Kanieri in Westland. He was a butcher. The 1862 marriage registration gives him born Leicestershire with his parents being Richard BECK, dead (correct), and Mary BARRS. Census info for Mary has her born at Peckleton about 1797, so this should be her... England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=9841 Name: Mary BARRS Gender: Female Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1798 Baptism Place: Peckleton,Leicester,England Father: Michael BARRS Mother: Susannah FHL Film Number: 588452, 592595 Peter The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Murray, as you may well know, this is contentious history. During the British attack on Rangiaowhia in February 1864, it is clear that a number of Māori were burned to death in a raupo whare. Whether the fire was deliberately lit or was a consequence of gunfire is not clear, but it is not disputed that unarmed women and children were amongst those who died. A good source is the recently published 'The Great War for New Zealand' by Vincent O'Malley (essential reading for anyone with Waikato history interests.) The cemetery you refer to is where three successive Catholic churches stood. There is a belief amongst some of the descendants that the Church was what was burned and that it was those seeking sanctuary inside it that died. It is fairly clear that that is not the case, it being a nearby raupo whare that was burned (which doesn't make it any better). The information sign in the cemetery says that 'after the war Rangiaowhia ceased to exist as a Māori centre of importance, and in 1871, Pompallier's successor Thomas Croke noted there was one Māori Catholic at the Mission. The Crown had confiscated and redistributed the land. Rangiaowhia took on a new life as a European settlement'. Whether the church you are referring to was subsequently destroyed by fire, or simply fell into disuse and was demolished, I haven't been able to establish. Catholic historians (or the Catholic archives) will know the answer. _______________________ Stuart Park Kerikeri

There is a cemetery where the church once stood, but I believe the church was destroyed by fire. Can any lister advise when this fire occurred and preferably supply evidence. I have tried Papers Past. My grandsons are direct descendants of a couple buried in the cemetery in unmarked graves. Thanks Murray Reid

This isn’t a query, more an FYI for those trying to find Ann BECK’s origins in England. However if someone has noticed her baptism or her parents’ marriage I’ll be more than happy. She and her husband John WAKELIN emigrated to NZ arriving 31 Mar 1851 on the ship TRAVANCORE at Lyttelton where they settled. The problem for researchers is that Ann’s baptism doesn’t seem to be locatable online, nor does a bang-on marriage turn up, and so in trying to determine where she was born researchers have come up with a variety of places. I don’t think any of the ones I’ve seen given are right. Warwickshire, Sutton Coldfield, Aston (by Birmingham) and other places have been suggested. Leicestershire has been given because Ann’s death registration says she was born in Leicestershire. I’m confident that I have her correct birthplace as Market Bosworth in Leicestershire. Her english marriage and NZ death registrations have her father as Richard BECK, a bricklayer. Ann’s eldest child, Mary Ann WAKELIN, married William Washington WEBB. Mary Ann’s obituary says she was born at Bosworth, Leicestershire in 1844. That doesn’t imply that her mother Ann BECK was born there though because Ann’s children were born in a variety of places. But Bosworth is in Leicestershire and is therefore worth a good look. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19180531.2.4?query="ann wakelin" Press, Volume LIV, Issue 16226, 31 May 1918, p.2 Mrs Mary Ann Webb, who died at 67 Slater street, Richmond, last week, was the eldest daughter of the late John and Ann Wakelin, of Lyttelton. She was born at Bosworth, Leicestershire, on June 24th, 1844, and came to New Zealand with her parents in the ship Travancore, arriving in Lyttelton on March 31st, 1851. She had resided in Canterbury ever since, with the exception of one year spent in Australia. Mrs Webb went in a bullock dray to the first races held at Riccarton. She was married on January 4th, 1866 to Mr W. W. Webb, of Lyttelton and leaves a family of four sons, three daughters, and twelve grandchildren. Consideration of the above would probably have led researchers in the right direction. Maybe they looked hard for Ann in sources but missed Mary Ann’s obit. The next big clue arises from a consideration of what happened to Ann BECK’s daughter, Frances WAKELIN, whose name was on the passenger list to go to NZ but was apparently struck through. I can find no sign of her in NZ. TRAVANCORE, ship, 562 tons, sailed 6 Dec 1850 Gravesend, arrived 31 Mar 1851 Lyttelton with 149 settlers. John WAKELIN 30 Labourer Annie WAKELIN 30 Mary WAKELIN 06 Frances WAKELIN 04 (name crossed out) Thomas WAKELIN 02 Online researchers have Frances born 1846 and died 1850 but without sources. I think that those dates are an educated guess from the fact of Frances being 4 when her name was crossed out. The voyage began in 1850. In fact Ann BECK had two children called Frances, one baptised in 1845 at Castle Bromwich in Warwickshire along with a brother William, and a second Frances baptised in 1846 also at Castle Bromwich. The first Frances must have died very young and an easy to draw implication from the name being crossed off the passenger list is that the second one may have died young as well. I can’t find a death or burial for either Frances. I’ve had experience of people on passenger lists to NZ not actually making it, and there is the possibility that the second Francis took ill and couldn’t travel. So, to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, I had a look for Frances in census enumerations. Lo and behold, this entry surfaced straightaway. 30 Mar 1851 Census of England & Wales @ Village, Peckleton, Leicestershire John FLORENDINE Head Marr 31 Farm Labourer b. Hartshill, Warwick Mary FLORENDINE Wife Marr 28 b. Bosworth Mkt, Leicester Fanny WAKELIN Niece 05 Scholar b. Castle Bromwich, Warwick With Mary the wife born at Market Bosworth, my instant speculation was, ‘Is Mary’s maiden name BECK so that she can be a sister to Ann BECK and therefore aunt to Fanny?’ The answer is yes. FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages Dec 1843 BECK Mary, M. Bosworth 15, 311 FLORENDINE John, Market Bosworth 15, 311 The above led me to look for Mary BECK in the 1841 census. I didn’t find her – I found this Mary instead. 06 Jun 1841 Census of England & Wales @ Market Bosworth, Leicestershire Richard BECK 45 Bricklayer Y Mary BECK 40 Y Thomas BECK 10 Y Richard BECK 08 Y Susannah BECK 02 Y // William BECK 20 Bricklayer Y Elizabeth BECK 20 30 Mar 1851 Census of England & Wales @ Hoggard Street, Market Bosworth, Leicestershire Richard BECK Head Marr 56 Bricklayer Master employ 1 man b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh Mary BECK Wife Marr 54 b. Peckleton, Leicestersh Susannah BECK Dau 13 Scholar b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh Julia BECK Granddaughter 03 Scholar b. Mkt Bosworth, Leicestersh In the absence of other candidates, if Richard BECK (tick), a bricklayer (tick) living at Market BOSWORTH and born at Market Bosworth (tick) is not the father of Ann BECK, then surely the Pope is not a Catholic? Richard died 1858 and Mary 1877. Fanny WAKELIN (Frances) was visiting John & Mary FLORENDINE at Peckleton in 1871, as Fanny DUVAL and with two children in tow. She married Thomas DUVAL in 1868 and they lived at Leicester the city. >From census information, Richard & Mary had a daughter Elizabeth BECK born about 1825 at Market Bosworth who married William JACQUES and lived at Walsall in Warwickshire. It gets even better. Richard & Mary had a son Richard who went to Victoria in 1859, married Sarah TAYLOR at Castlemaine in 1862, had issue in Victoria, then travelled to New Zealand where they had further issue, settling at Kanieri in Westland. He was a butcher. The 1862 marriage registration gives him born Leicestershire with his parents being Richard BECK, dead (correct), and Mary BARRS. Census info for Mary has her born at Peckleton about 1797, so this should be her... England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=9841 Name: Mary BARRS Gender: Female Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1798 Baptism Place: Peckleton,Leicester,England Father: Michael BARRS Mother: Susannah FHL Film Number: 588452, 592595 Peter

Hi Murray Try contacting Te Awamutu Courier newspaper, which I have found helpful in the past, or, Te Awamutu Genie society. I was born and lived in Te Awamutu through my school years and know the area you refer as my grandparents were farming there. I just don't know the answers to your specific questions. I will be in Te Awamutu at end of April in school holidays and happy to delve a little further for you if you don't get the response you need in the meantime. Sandra Melbourne (ex Auckland) -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Murray Reid Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2017 9:25 a.m. To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [nz] Catholic Church. Rangiaowhia. (near Te Awamutu) There is a cemetery where the church once stood, but I believe the church was destroyed by fire. Can any lister advise when this fire occurred and preferably supply evidence. I have tried Papers Past. My grandsons are direct descendants of a couple buried in the cemetery in unmarked graves. Thanks Murray Reid The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter I usually use FreeBMD, but missed it there. Then I tried the new index at   www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp and found this at Market Bosworth registered in 1845:   BECK, -         WAINRIGHT       Order GRO Reference: 1845  S Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH  Volume 15  Page 178 It would seem no first names were given, only the surname, & is in FreeBMD as 'Female'. Worth checking out? jo ....................... From: Peter Dillon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Ann BECK  ( =John WAKELIN ) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" This isn?t a query, more an FYI for those trying to find Ann BECK?s origins in England.  However if someone has noticed her baptism or her parents? marriage I?ll be more than happy.....

Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

Oh not again, now theyll be off the web for months and months.penne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dragonplace" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [nz] Star of Tasmania 1862 > Nar mate not this end, is at rootweb home base the problem. > > It is not the server this end. > > Not the ISP. > > we have gone through it all several times over. > > It comes up with all servers and ISPs. > > One 4 different computers using Different systems, ie Mac, linix, > microsoft and apple. > > And it all comes back tyo Rootsweb having the problem. > > WHO has scammed roots web??? > > Robyn > > > On 07/02/17 20:06, Dave MacKinven wrote: >> Hi Robyn >> >> I would suggest that you have a problem either with your email client or >> possible your ISP may be having difficulties. As no one else seems to be >> receiving 2 copies of the List postings it most definitely be a problem >> at your end. >> >> Regards >> >> >> Dave >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Dragonplace >> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [nz] Star of Tasmania 1862 >> >> Dear List >> >> This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have >> already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. >> >> I have contacted you before on this problem. >> >> Please fix it. >> >> Robyn >> >> >> On 07/02/17 17:04, Bob Matthews wrote: >>> I can't add any more names but remove Alexander BATHGATE - he arrived in >>> 1863 :) >>> >>> Bob M >>> >>> On 07-Feb-17 2:24 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: >>>> Financially delinquent immigrants are immortalised in the >>>> List of Immigrants, Debtors to the Provincial Government of Otago for >>>> Passenger Moneys. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Seemingly you are subscribed twice under the same address or there is an issue between you and your ISP. As there is no point asking a sever to fix the problem by inundating the list with requests: Unsubscribe from the list by sending an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes, and see if after you get just the one copy of messages posted by others or none at all. Keith Wellington, NZ -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dragonplace Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 8:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] Star of Tasmania 1862 Nar mate not this end, is at rootweb home base the problem. It is not the server this end. Not the ISP. we have gone through it all several times over. It comes up with all servers and ISPs. One 4 different computers using Different systems, ie Mac, linix, microsoft and apple. And it all comes back tyo Rootsweb having the problem. WHO has scammed roots web??? Robyn On 07/02/17 20:06, Dave MacKinven wrote: > Hi Robyn > > I would suggest that you have a problem either with your email client > or possible your ISP may be having difficulties. As no one else seems > to be receiving 2 copies of the List postings it most definitely be a > problem at your end. > > Regards > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- From: Dragonplace > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nz] Star of Tasmania 1862 > > Dear List > > This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have > already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. > > I have contacted you before on this problem. > > Please fix it. > > Robyn > > > On 07/02/17 17:04, Bob Matthews wrote: >> I can't add any more names but remove Alexander BATHGATE - he arrived >> in 1863 :) >> >> Bob M >> >> On 07-Feb-17 2:24 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: >>> Financially delinquent immigrants are immortalised in the List of >>> Immigrants, Debtors to the Provincial Government of Otago for >>> Passenger Moneys. >>> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/13896 - Release Date: 02/05/17

Nar mate not this end, is at rootweb home base the problem. It is not the server this end. Not the ISP. we have gone through it all several times over. It comes up with all servers and ISPs. One 4 different computers using Different systems, ie Mac, linix, microsoft and apple. And it all comes back tyo Rootsweb having the problem. WHO has scammed roots web??? Robyn On 07/02/17 20:06, Dave MacKinven wrote: > Hi Robyn > > I would suggest that you have a problem either with your email client > or possible your ISP may be having difficulties. As no one else seems > to be receiving 2 copies of the List postings it most definitely be a > problem at your end. > > Regards > > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- From: Dragonplace > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [nz] Star of Tasmania 1862 > > Dear List > > This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have > already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. > > I have contacted you before on this problem. > > Please fix it. > > Robyn > > > On 07/02/17 17:04, Bob Matthews wrote: >> I can't add any more names but remove Alexander BATHGATE - he arrived >> in 1863 :) >> >> Bob M >> >> On 07-Feb-17 2:24 PM, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: >>> Financially delinquent immigrants are immortalised in the >>> List of Immigrants, Debtors to the Provincial Government of Otago for >>> Passenger Moneys. >>> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I HAVE, and still 6 days later I am receiving the same emails from 2 to 6 times over. AND only from this list. WHO has put a bug in the works. Robyn On 07/02/17 19:48, Ray Hayes wrote: > Please contact the list administrator rather than bombard all of us > with your complaints. > > > On 7/02/2017 5:45 PM, Dragonplace wrote: >> Dear List >> >> This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have >> already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. >> >> I have contacted you before on this problem. >> >> Please fix it. >> >> Robyn >> >> >> On 07/02/17 14:24, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: >>> Financially delinquent immigrants are immortalised in the >>> List of Immigrants, Debtors to the Provincial Government of Otago for >>> Passenger Moneys. >>> >>> *"Star Of Tasmania"* Nov. 5 1862 >>> Ashton Margaret >>> Brooks Sarah >>> Brewer Mary Anne >>> Collins Jane >>> Farrell Margaret >>> Finch Elizabeth >>> Hughes Margaret >>> Hardy Sarah >>> Hollywood Margaret >>> Jossain Caroline >>> Kran Mary >>> King Margaret >>> Little Anne >>> Lee Emily C >>> Langford Elisabeth >>> Owen Anne >>> Wells Louisa >>> White Charlotte >>> West Hannah E >>> >>> Otago Daily Times 5 November 1862 Page 4 >>> PER ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH. >>> Tuesday, 6 p.m. Star of Tasmania, ship, from London, has arrived. >>> Brings >>> 118 passengers, including 19 in cabin, and 25 assisted female >>> emigrants. >>> Left Gravesend on July 28. Was delayed eight days by loss of >>> bowsprit, and >>> afterwards on this coast. Spoke no vessels bound to colonies. >>> Passengers >>> all well. No births or deaths. Captain Culbert, late of Vistula, in >>> command. Cargill and Co., agents. Passengers in cabin— Mr and Mrs >>> Martin, >>> Mrs Palmer, Mr and Mrs Mundell and family, Mrs Wilson and family, Miss >>> Lazarus. Miss Jelly, Messrs Taylor, Edoart, Neish, Heales, Cowan, >>> Sheenan, >>> and Dr Pagan. >>> >>> There were 118 passengers. If you can't find a passenger list help >>> create >>> one. >>> So far 18 cabin passengers. >>> 19 debtors >>> 10 OESA >>> So far 47 names. >>> There is a passenger list somewhere in Dunedin. >>> >>> Otago Early Settlers Association >>> Otago Witness, 15 April 1903, Page 26 At this meeting, the motion >>> for the >>> extension of qualification for membership of arrivals and descendant to >>> 31st December, 1864, instead of 31et December, 1661, as hitherto, >>> was put >>> by Mr Donald Reid (president), seconded by, Mr John Reid (chairman of >>> committee), and carried with cheers by an overwhelming majority. Mr >>> John >>> Allan, late, immigration agent, kindly supplied the following list >>> passengers ships from Home during the period of extension, viz. years >>> 1862-3-4 >>> Star of Tasmania, from London; arrived 5th November. >>> >>> Otago Early Settlers Association Members enrolled >>> Mrs Helen Jane M'Intyre Elliott, Ettrick (80), Star of Tasmania, 1862 >>> Jas. Elliott, Queen's drive (Star of Tasmania, 1862) >>> John Davey, Temuka (Star of Tasmania, 1862). >>> Mrs Jane Reid, nee Collins (65), Star of Tasmania, 1862 >>> The following descendants were enrolled: >>> descendant were enrolled Mrs G. A. Smith, Sawyers' Bay (Star of >>> Tasmania, >>> 1862) >>> ODT the following death were reported— >>> Alexander Bathgate. Dunedin (85), Star of Tasmania, 1802; ODT 15 >>> Oct. 1930 >>> James Elliott, Musselburgh, 87 (Star of Tasmania, 1862) ODT 14 Dcc. >>> 1922 >>> Mrs E. A. Mayo, Dunedin (65), Star of Tasmania, 1862; ODT 13 June 1923 >>> Mrs J. T. Hamann, Dunedin (80), Star of Tasmania, 1862; ODT 14 Sept. >>> 1921 >>> Mrs Helen Jane M'Intyre Elliott, Ettrick (80), Star of Tasmania, >>> 1862 ODT 9 >>> Oct. 1918 >>> Mrs G. A. Smith, Sawyers' Bay (Star of Tasmania, J862); ODT 14 May 1919 >>> >>> >>> Otago Daily Times 6 November 1862 Page 4 >>> ARRIVALS. Star of Tasmania, ship, 632 tons, William Culbert, from >>> London, >>> general cargo, 118 passengers. Cargill and Co., agents. As already >>> reported >>> by telegraph, the Star of Tasmania reached port on Tuesday evening. She >>> made the run to England from Otago in 81 days, and on this occasion has >>> made a fine passage, considering the circumstances. She left on July >>> 28th; >>> crossed the Line on the 32nd day; made the meridian ofthe Cape on >>> the 25th >>> September, and sighted the Snares on the 30th of October. Her greatest >>> detentions were in the Channel, where she experienced head winds, >>> and about >>> lat. 45 58 S. and long. 46 02 E., when she damaged her jib-boom. The >>> passengers have to-day been all conveyed to town by the Samson. >>> >>> On 6 February 2017 at 17:16, DK <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Looking for a copy of the passenger list for the ship, Star of >>>> Tasmania, >>>> that arrived Port Chalmers 4 Nov 1862. >>>> Any helpers, much appreciated. 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Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 06:49, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1620137/ > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/roll-search/honours_and_awards/ > > These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & advanced Bde > Hd Qrs during the Battn attack on Poziers. > Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a moment > with _____that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the position. > The work of Runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of all; how > any survive __ ?hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. Telephonic & orders > requesting ______ _____ ____ all this work of communication devolved on > these runners. These fourteen men __ the running B___ to the position. > Recommended by ____ G. Coulter O/C 8th Bn. > > Thanks. > Ronald Belfield Glannville was a New Zealander. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 06/02/17 15:28, Wendy Inskeep wrote: > I have read that people could be fined if they did not get their children vaccinated and many ignored this Act. However, what were they being vaccinated for? Was it smallpox? > > Wendy > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 07:16, Lynskey wrote: > Hesitated a moment with RESULT that > > How any survive THE HELL FURY of > Requesting ?COVER IMPOSSIBLE THUS all the work of communication > Not sure about the last bit but thought it might be > GUIDED THE RELIEVING BATTELION to the position. > > Yvonne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 6:49 a.m. > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman 1147 > > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1620137/ > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/roll-search/honours_and_awards/ > > These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & advanced Bde > Hd Qrs during the Battn attack on Poziers. > Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a moment > with _____that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the position. > The work of Runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of all; how > any survive __ ?hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. Telephonic & orders > requesting ______ _____ ____ all this work of communication devolved on > these runners. These fourteen men __ the running B___ to the position. > Recommended by ____ G. Coulter O/C 8th Bn. > > Thanks. > Ronald Belfield Glannville was a New Zealander. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 08:35, Olwyn Whitehouse wrote: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzlscant/Glanville.htm#awards > I have place what we have so far out here. > Unit 8th AIF 2nd Aust. Inf. Brigade 1st Aust. Division 1st Anzac Corps > 25/6/16 Date of Recommendation > These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & advanced > Bde Hd Qrs during the Battn attack on Poziers. > Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a > moment with result that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the position. > The work of Runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of all; > how any survived the full fury of Poziers is a wonder. Telephonic & orders > ? requesting {?signalling ____} was impossible thus all this work of > communication devolved on these runners. These fourteen men guided the > relieving Brigade to its position. > Recommended by ____ G. Coulter O/C 8th Bn. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 10:56, Peter Dillon wrote: > > > These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & > advanced Bde Hd Qrs, during the Battn attack on Poziers. > Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a > moment with result that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the > position. > The work of runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of > all, how any survived the hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. > Telephonic formal requesting was impossible thus all the work of > communication devolved on these runners. The fourteen men guided? the > receiving Battn to the position. > > > I can't make out the signature > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- From: Lynskey > Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:16 AM > To: 'Olwyn Whitehouse' ; 'new-zealand' > Subject: Re: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman 1147 > > Hesitated a moment with RESULT that > > How any survive THE HELL FURY of > Requesting ?COVER IMPOSSIBLE THUS all the work of communication > Not sure about the last bit but thought it might be > GUIDED THE RELIEVING BATTELION to the position. > > Yvonne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NEW-ZEALAND > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Olwyn Whitehouse > Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 6:49 a.m. > To: new-zealand > Subject: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman 1147 > > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1620137/ > https://www.awm.gov.au/people/roll-search/honours_and_awards/ > > These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & > advanced Bde > Hd Qrs during the Battn attack on Poziers. > Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a > moment > with _____that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the position. > The work of Runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of > all; how > any survive __ ?hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. Telephonic & orders > requesting ______ _____ ____ all this work of communication devolved on > these runners. These fourteen men __ the running B___ to the position. > Recommended by ____ G. Coulter O/C 8th Bn. > > Thanks. > Ronald Belfield Glannville was a New Zealander. > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 12:04, Chris wrote: > Recommended by Lieut-Col G Coulter > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dillon" > <[email protected]> > To: "'Olwyn Whitehouse'" <[email protected]>; "'new-zealand'" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman 1147 > > >> >> >> These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & >> advanced Bde Hd Qrs, during the Battn attack on Poziers. >> Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a >> moment with result that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the >> position. >> The work of runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of >> all, how any survived the hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. >> Telephonic formal requesting was impossible thus all the work of >> communication devolved on these runners. The fourteen men guided? the >> receiving Battn to the position. >> >> >> I can't make out the signature >> >> Peter >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Lynskey >> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:16 AM >> To: 'Olwyn Whitehouse' ; 'new-zealand' >> Subject: Re: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman >> 1147 >> >> Hesitated a moment with RESULT that >> >> How any survive THE HELL FURY of >> Requesting ?COVER IMPOSSIBLE THUS all the work of communication >> Not sure about the last bit but thought it might be >> GUIDED THE RELIEVING BATTELION to the position. >> >> Yvonne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NEW-ZEALAND >> [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of >> Olwyn Whitehouse >> Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2017 6:49 a.m. >> To: new-zealand >> Subject: [nz] Help decipher the recommendation for MM for Firman 1147 >> >> https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1620137/ >> https://www.awm.gov.au/people/roll-search/honours_and_awards/ >> >> These 14 men acted as runners between firing line, Bn Hd Qrs & >> advanced Bde >> Hd Qrs during the Battn attack on Poziers. >> Their devotion to duty was a thing to marvel at, not one hesitated a >> moment >> with _____that Bn Hd Qrs & Bde were kept informed of the position. >> The work of Runners and stretcher bearers is the most dangerous of >> all; how >> any survive __ ?hell fury of Poziers is a wonder. Telephonic & orders >> requesting ______ _____ ____ all this work of communication devolved on >> these runners. These fourteen men __ the running B___ to the position. >> Recommended by ____ G. Coulter O/C 8th Bn. >> >> Thanks. >> Ronald Belfield Glannville was a New Zealander. >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 12:10, Jo and Bruce wrote: > Hello > > > > Looking for death notices for Jean Thompson died 16 July 2013, and Joy > Kathleen Oliver died 31 January 2012. > > Both of Auckland. > > > > Many thanks > > Jocelyn > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 07/02/17 12:16, DK wrote: > Hi Looking for a copy of the passenger list for the ship, Star of Tasmania, > that arrived Port Chalmers 4 Nov 1862. > Any helpers, much appreciated. Regards Keith > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List This has come to me for the second time within 1 minute, as I have already got one copy, I do not need a second copy. I have contacted you before on this problem. Please fix it. Robyn On 07/02/17 12:58, Heather McLean wrote: > Hi Jocelyn > > If you can't find these on Google, can send them to you after work. > > Heather > Tauranga > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jo and Bruce > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [nz] Death notices - Jean Simpson - Joy Oliver > > Hello > > > > Looking for death notices for Jean Thompson died 16 July 2013, and Joy > Kathleen Oliver died 31 January 2012. > > Both of Auckland. > > > > Many thanks > > Jocelyn > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >