Hello Mary You may like to contribute photos and information on the website : http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C91474 Best Wishes , Ray On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Mary Paton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello New Zealand, > > > I have just arrived back in Western Australia after 6 years in Scotland > and was going through some photos. My gt uncle, Alexander Templeton was > born in Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland, died in NZ in 1921 having served in > the NZ forces in WW1, and is buried at Waikumete. > > > I am wondering if anyone is interested in seeing the few photos I have of > him while in the NZ forces? They show his colleagues so someone may > recognise an ancestor. I would love to know more about his time in NZ as 1 > of his 3 brothers died in Melbourne and the other 2, including my > grandfather, in Scotland. > > > Best regards, > > Mary > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all When saving a cutting from papers Past. I right click the mouse over the article, select save as then save it to my desk top. To print it I use the printer button on the right top side of the page Terry Walsh Bayswater West Aust -----Original Message----- From: NEW-ZEALAND [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 12 February 2017 4:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68 Send NEW-ZEALAND mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists2.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/new-zealand or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of NEW-ZEALAND digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Paper cuttings [that you can't find] (Graham Hoult) 2. Subject: Paper cuttings (Ian Grace) 3. Photos from WW1 (Templeton) (Mary Paton) 4. Re: Photos from WW1 (Templeton) (Ray Rob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:35:07 +1300 From: Graham Hoult <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: Glenys Savage <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nz] Paper cuttings [that you can't find] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 Glenys Savage <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged the NZ list > Subject: [nz] Paper cuttings > > Hi All > > I must be the proverbial dumbcluck as I cannot get these references up on PapersPast: > >> Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 >> >> Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. >> >> Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage >> >> Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage >> >> Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage >> >> Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage > > Many thanks for your help. > Glenys Hi Glenys > Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 Wrong month : that reference to the bandmaster and his sister was in June 1886, not July https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18860604.2.38 [2nd paragraph] -------------------------- > Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. This article in the Waikato Times on that date refers to the appointment of a ?Mr Savage? as Bandmaster. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19030922.2.10 You didn?t find it because the article doesn?t give his full name. -------------------------- > Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage The Local & General news in the [Christchurch] Star 29 April 1882, page 3, includes a paragraph ?A brass band under the mastership of Mr J. S. Savage, has been formed in Tinwald, ?? https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18820429.2.10 -------------------------- > Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage BIRTH. SAVAGE.?On the 17th April, the wife of J. S. Savage, of a daughter. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA18730418.2.8.1 [at the bottom] -------------------------- > Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage The Bush Advocate, 13 November 1908, page 4, quotes an article from the London correspondent of the Press about the Corrick family of entertainers, who hail from Christchurch, and concludes with the words : ?Miss Corrick is a cousin to Mr A. E. Savage, the well-known music teacher in this town.? , 'this town' presumably being Christchurch. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BA19081113.2.15 -------------------------- > Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage The Press, 13 March 1884, page 3 ASHBURTON HORTICULTURASL SOCIETY Among other przes, J. S. Savage won Mr Davidson?s 5s. Special Prize for the best dish of tomatoes. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18840313.2.20?query=savage%2 0ashburton To make them easier to find, I have left in the part of the URL that highlights references to 'Savage?. Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 14:54:37 +1300 From: Ian Grace <[email protected]> To: Glenys Savage <[email protected]>, Rootsweb New Zealand List <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Subject: Paper cuttings Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Glenys Looks like your references have errors the first Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 I found at: Newspapers <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers> Star <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star> 4 June 1886 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star/1886/6/4> Page 4 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star/1886/6/4/4> It also pays to always spell month to avoid errors such as the USA verses NZ dating system. Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. this above has No Direct equivalent on Papers Past. Will let you rehunt for the rest or go back to your Source. Ian Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:47:30 +1030 From: Glenys Savage<[email protected]> To:<[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Paper cuttings Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I must be the proverbial dumbcluck as I cannot get these references up on PapersPast: > Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 > > Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. > > Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage > > Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage > > Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage > > Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage Many thanks for your help. Glenys -- *(101010)_2 * ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 06:39:08 +0000 From: Mary Paton <[email protected]> To: new-zealand <[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Photos from WW1 (Templeton) Message-ID: <[email protected]0.PROD.OUTL OOK.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello New Zealand, I have just arrived back in Western Australia after 6 years in Scotland and was going through some photos. My gt uncle, Alexander Templeton was born in Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland, died in NZ in 1921 having served in the NZ forces in WW1, and is buried at Waikumete. I am wondering if anyone is interested in seeing the few photos I have of him while in the NZ forces? They show his colleagues so someone may recognise an ancestor. I would love to know more about his time in NZ as 1 of his 3 brothers died in Melbourne and the other 2, including my grandfather, in Scotland. Best regards, Mary ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 09:10:32 +1300 From: Ray Rob <[email protected]> To: Mary Paton <[email protected]> Cc: new-zealand <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [nz] Photos from WW1 (Templeton) Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Mary You may like to contribute photos and information on the website : http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C91474 Best Wishes , Ray On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Mary Paton <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello New Zealand, > > > I have just arrived back in Western Australia after 6 years in Scotland > and was going through some photos. My gt uncle, Alexander Templeton was > born in Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland, died in NZ in 1921 having served in > the NZ forces in WW1, and is buried at Waikumete. > > > I am wondering if anyone is interested in seeing the few photos I have of > him while in the NZ forces? They show his colleagues so someone may > recognise an ancestor. I would love to know more about his time in NZ as 1 > of his 3 brothers died in Melbourne and the other 2, including my > grandfather, in Scotland. > > > Best regards, > > Mary > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the NEW-ZEALAND list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the NEW-ZEALAND mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 68 *******************************************

Thank you everyone who replied. I am using son's computer at the moment but as soon as mine arrives - hopefully in the coming week - I will send photos to those who requested them. I don't recognise the photo of Terry Templeton's grandfather but he probably is related. Riccarton is not far from Auchinleck and although my Dad said a lot of the Templetons were not related to him, I now think, after years of research, that they most likely were! I am pretty sure we had relatives in NZ though they were never named by my parents. I will see whether I can find a connection with George and Mabel. Alex's parents were James and Agnes (nee Dunbar). He was born in 1880. The website gives two electoral roll addresses for Gt Uncle Alex - one in 1905-6 and the other 1919. I didn't know he was there in 1905-6. Thank you for that too. I'll add information when computer arrives. You will hear from me later in the coming week. I was told this was a lively and helpful list - it is! Cheers, Mary

Glenys Looks like your references have errors the first Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 I found at: Newspapers <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers> Star <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star> 4 June 1886 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star/1886/6/4> Page 4 <https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/star/1886/6/4/4> It also pays to always spell month to avoid errors such as the USA verses NZ dating system. Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. this above has No Direct equivalent on Papers Past. Will let you rehunt for the rest or go back to your Source. Ian Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:47:30 +1030 From: Glenys Savage<[email protected]> To:<[email protected]> Subject: [nz] Paper cuttings Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi All I must be the proverbial dumbcluck as I cannot get these references up on PapersPast: > Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 > > Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. > > Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage > > Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage > > Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage > > Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage Many thanks for your help. Glenys -- *(101010)_2 *

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 Glenys Savage <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> messaged the NZ list > Subject: [nz] Paper cuttings > > Hi All > > I must be the proverbial dumbcluck as I cannot get these references up on PapersPast: > >> Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 >> >> Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. >> >> Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage >> >> Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage >> >> Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage >> >> Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage > > Many thanks for your help. > Glenys Hi Glenys > Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 Wrong month : that reference to the bandmaster and his sister was in June 1886, not July https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18860604.2.38 [2nd paragraph] -------------------------- > Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. This article in the Waikato Times on that date refers to the appointment of a “Mr Savage” as Bandmaster. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WT19030922.2.10 You didn’t find it because the article doesn’t give his full name. -------------------------- > Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage The Local & General news in the [Christchurch] Star 29 April 1882, page 3, includes a paragraph “A brass band under the mastership of Mr J. S. Savage, has been formed in Tinwald, …” https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18820429.2.10 -------------------------- > Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage BIRTH. SAVAGE.—On the 17th April, the wife of J. S. Savage, of a daughter. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA18730418.2.8.1 [at the bottom] -------------------------- > Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage The Bush Advocate, 13 November 1908, page 4, quotes an article from the London correspondent of the Press about the Corrick family of entertainers, who hail from Christchurch, and concludes with the words : “Miss Corrick is a cousin to Mr A. E. Savage, the well-known music teacher in this town.” , 'this town' presumably being Christchurch. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BA19081113.2.15 -------------------------- > Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage The Press, 13 March 1884, page 3 ASHBURTON HORTICULTURASL SOCIETY Among other przes, J. S. Savage won Mr Davidson’s 5s. Special Prize for the best dish of tomatoes. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18840313.2.20?query=savage%20ashburton To make them easier to find, I have left in the part of the URL that highlights references to 'Savage’. Hope this helps Graham Hoult Kirwee, Canterbury

Hi All I must be the proverbial dumbcluck as I cannot get these references up on PapersPast: > Star 4/7/1886. Ref to G W and Emma Savage. Pg 4 > > Waikato Times 22/9/1903 ref to Arthur Edward Savage and Hamilton Town Band. > > Star April 1882 ref to James Samuel Savage > > Grey River Argus 18/4/1873 Birth Notice Savage > > Bush advocate Nov 1908 ref to Miss Corrick and Arthur Edward Savage > > Ashburton Hort. show March 1884 James Samuel Savage Many thanks for your help. Glenys

Excellent, thanks Olwyn! A correspondent descended from a branch of the BECK family at Market Bosworth has noticed that the Market Bosworth OPR are online at Find My Past, including a baptism for Ann BECK in 1820, the desired date estimated for her. And other probable siblings have the desired dates as well. I haven’t checked it them out yet. Maybe my correspondent will beat me to it. Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 9:23 AM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) I came to the same conclusion that this BECK family must have left New Zealand soon after their arrival but I had't thought of looking across the ditch. Cheers, Olwyn There she is - the Wakelin passengers. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/TravancoreSteerageWilkin.jpg On 10 February 2017 at 05:43, Peter Dillon <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Olwyn I may have cracked the BECK family on board the TRAVANCORE. I think they had their family at Shoreditch and neighbouring areas in London because a family raised there exactly matches them. Having arrived at Lyttelton in 1851, they may have shot through soon after to NSW and had more issue there starting with the first in 1855. Appears that John Henry BECK died 1876 and his wife Sarah LLOYD died 1880. They are buried at Boorowa/Burrowa in NSW Wales. Researchers at the NSW end appear not to have ascertained how they got to NSW. That is not surprising if they went to NZ first before hopping across the Tasman to NSW. I have had a go at a great many sources but I am unable to find a trace of the family in NZ despite the good number of children (eg no possible marriages for them), and the conclusion to draw is that either they didn’t make it onto the ship TRAVANCORE or they left NZ soon after arrival. John BECK married Sarah LLOYD 25 Feb 1840 at St Lukes Finsbury, Middlesex. He was a silver smith which seems out of kilter with his trimming making ocupation, unless silver smith was something that might apply to that trade His father Henry was a tailor. GRO Birth John Henry BECK Mother: LLOYD 1840 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 333 The following people are in the same confusing order as on the census page. 06 Jun 1841 Census of England @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N John BECK 20 Trimming M Y Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N Sarah BECK 20 Y Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N Margaret BECK 15 Y Charles YOEMAN 15 N Eliza YOEMAN 15 N Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N Richard YOEMAN 12 N William YOEMAN 09 N Margaret GARWIN 12 Y Alfred YOEMAN 05 N Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y John BECK 6 months Y A re-ordered version 06 Jun 1841 Census of England @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N Charles YOEMAN 15 N Eliza YOEMAN 15 N Richard YOEMAN 12 N William YOEMAN 09 N Alfred YOEMAN 05 N Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y Margaret GARWIN 12 Y John BECK 20 Trimming M Y Sarah BECK 20 Y Margaret BECK 15 Y John BECK 6 months Y Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N I think Trimming M for John BECK means Trimming Maker. See the baptisms below. GRO BIRTH Sarah BECK mother: LLOYD 1842 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 552 GRO Births Thomas BECK, Mother: LLOYD 1844 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 601 GRO Birth Henry BECK mother: LLOYD 1845 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 50 London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 Born 03 May 1845, baptised 25 May 1845 John Henry son of John & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Fancy Trimming Maker, ceremony by Raymond DANIELL B.A., Curate. Three children were baptised the same day. London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 // Born 23 Nov 1840, baptised 22 Jun 1845 John Henry son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. // Born 06 Jun 1842, baptised 22 Jun 1845 Sarah dau of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. // Born 10 Dec 1843, baptised 22 Jun 1845 Thomas son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. GRO Death Henry BECK, age 3 1848 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 395 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 4Q 1846, BECK Joseph, Bethnal Grn 2, 3 The GRO is missing the above entry (have advised them). I anticipate that the mother’s surname will be LLOYD. GRO Birth William BECK mother; LLOYD 1848 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 510 RGO Birth Eliza BECK Mother; LLOYD 1850 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 503 There are no more births for this family after Eliza in the GRO indexes. Compare the list of children on the ship TRAVANCORE with the list of children born in London to John Henry BECK & Sarah LLOYD: TRAVANCORE, ship, 562 tons, sailed 6 Dec 1850 Gravesend, arrived 31 Mar 1851 Lyttelton NZ with 149 settlers. Ages will be ages in 1850, not 1851. John BECK 32 Gardener ( born abt 1818 ) Sarah BECK 33 ( born about 1817 ) John BECK 10 ( born abt 1840 ) Sarah BECK 08 ( born abt 1842 ) Thomas BECK 07 ( born abt 1843 ) Joseph BECK 04 ( born abt 1846 ) William BECK 02 ( born abt 1848 ) Eliza BECK Inf ( born abt 1850 ) GRO BIRTH INDEX Mother Surname: LLOYD John Henry BECK reg 1840 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Sarah BECK reg 1842 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Thomas BECK reg 1843 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Henry BECK reg 1845 died 1848 (bap 1845 to John & Sarah) Joseph BECK reg 1846 William BECK reg 1848 Eliza BECK reg 1850 Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:22 AM To: Olwyn Whitehouse Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hi Olwyn I’ve had a go at John & Sarah BECK on the TRAVANCORE, entertained two possibilities which I had to dismiss, and got nowhere. The only suitable John & Sarah BECK I can find in census data is a couple in 1841 living at Aston by Birmingham which is where Ann BECK & John WAKELIN married in 1840 A George HANDY is with John & Sarah in the census and in fact John BECK married Sarah HANDY, father George HANDY, at Aston Birmingham in 1841. John and George had the same occupations in the census as in the marriage record. Unfortunately, it appears that both John & Sarah were born at Sutton Coldfield and in later census enumerations they lived at Sheffield in Yorkshire and both died there during the 1860s. Therefore they cannot be John & Sarah on the ship TRAVANCORE which arrived at Lyttelton on 31 Mar 1851. I feel that the MacDonald Index card for John BECK has got it wrong when it says that John on the ship TRAVANCORE settled at Winton and later took the Acclimatisation Society position. That position was in Christchurch and John BECK of Winton took it in 1875. He later returned south to Wairio down south and became a farmer. I think the recorder of the index card must have been influenced by the fact that John BECK on the TRAVANCORE was a gardener. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 Apparently John who was at Winton and went to Christchurch then Wairio was born Ireland, married to Elizabeth GILLESPIE in Scotland and didn’t come out to NZ till much later than the one in 1851. The list of children to John and Elizabeth bears no relation to the list of children to John & Sarah. A newspaper article about his eldest daughter’s marriage calls her Jane. John & Sarah had no Jane with them on board the TRAVANCORE. I think voyage of the ship INVERCARGILL arriving in Otago in 1874 from Glasgow is the correct voyage for the man who took up the Acclimatisation Society in Christchurch (see link below). There were five children with him and Elizabeth and a sixth was born in NZ. He couldn’t have stayed at Winton long to be taking the society’s position in Christchurch in 1875. Winton is brought to our attention by the MacDonald Index card which fools us into thinking that John might have been there for quite a while due to the card falsely stating that he arrived at Lyttelton on the TRAVANCORE in 1851. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT89-N4Y These items below sum things up, especially the obituary in the Southland Times upon the death in 1884 of John BECK of Wairio. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18751020.2.7?query="john beck" winton Star, Issue 2367, 20 October 1875 Acclimatisation Society.— At a meeting of the Garden Committee on Monday, it was decided to appoint Mr John Beck of Winton, Otago, as Curator to the Society, subject to the approval of the Council of the Society. Mr Beck is the candidate who was referred to some days ago, as being the last to apply for the appointment, and who had high testimonials extending over a period of twenty-five years, besides a very strong recommendation from the Curator of the Dunedin Society. As to whether or not Winton was part of Southland or Otago at the time, this reporter of the ODT in 1875 describes it as in Southland. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18751029.2.5?query="john beck" Otago Daily Times, Issue 4274, 29 October 1875, p.2 Mr John Beck, of Winton, Southland, has received the appointment of Curator to the Acclimatisation Society of Canterbury. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18760117.2.6?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 2265, 17 January 1876 MARRIAGE. Taylor — Beck.— An the registrar's Office, Winton, on the 14th instant, by Duguld Cameron, Esq., Registrar of Marriages for the District, William Taylor, Esq., of Burnside, Winton, to Jane Beck, oldest daughter of John Beck, Esq., Curator of Acclimatisation Gardens, Christchurch https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18840823.2.21?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5012, 23 August 1884, p.3 Mr John Beck, one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, has been confined to his room for some months through severe cold settling upon him. He was one who always took a leading part in affairs of public interest in the locality, and his absence is felt very much from public gatherings. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18841122.2.16?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5092, 22 November 1884, p.2 It is with regret that I have to chronicle the death of one of our most respected inhabitants, Mr John Beck, who was one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, having been a selector m the first block of deferred payment land thrown open in the district. Deceased was a native of County Down, Ireland, where he was brought up to agriculture, but having a natural inclination to game and pisiculture, he emigrated to Scotland where he engaged in pursuits congenial to his nature for a number of years. Eventually accounts from New Zealand attracted his attention and he determined to try his fortune in the colony, selecting Christchurch, where owing to his large experience and knowledge of game, and also to high testimonials as to character and ability from persons of high standing at home, he received an appointment of trust under the Christchurch Acclimatisation Society, which he held until he determined to settle down as a farmer, selecting Wairio. Ballochmyle, the late gentleman's property, bears evidence to his natural taste for landscape, he having laid off large plantations of trees and shrubs both for shelter and ornament. Deceased always took an active part in politics, and all matters of public taste to the district. Up to the time of his death he held the position of chairman of the school committee, with the exception of one year, from the formation of the school district. He leaves, besides his wife, a family of four sons and two daughters, one of whom is married. I am none the wiser as to where John & Sarah BECK on board the TRAVANCORE were from (groan). Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

Hello New Zealand, I have just arrived back in Western Australia after 6 years in Scotland and was going through some photos. My gt uncle, Alexander Templeton was born in Auchinleck, Ayrshire, Scotland, died in NZ in 1921 having served in the NZ forces in WW1, and is buried at Waikumete. I am wondering if anyone is interested in seeing the few photos I have of him while in the NZ forces? They show his colleagues so someone may recognise an ancestor. I would love to know more about his time in NZ as 1 of his 3 brothers died in Melbourne and the other 2, including my grandfather, in Scotland. Best regards, Mary

Hi Olwyn I may have cracked the BECK family on board the TRAVANCORE. I think they had their family at Shoreditch and neighbouring areas in London because a family raised there exactly matches them. Having arrived at Lyttelton in 1851, they may have shot through soon after to NSW and had more issue there starting with the first in 1855. Appears that John Henry BECK died 1876 and his wife Sarah LLOYD died 1880. They are buried at Boorowa/Burrowa in NSW Wales. Researchers at the NSW end appear not to have ascertained how they got to NSW. That is not surprising if they went to NZ first before hopping across the Tasman to NSW. I have had a go at a great many sources but I am unable to find a trace of the family in NZ despite the good number of children (eg no possible marriages for them), and the conclusion to draw is that either they didn’t make it onto the ship TRAVANCORE or they left NZ soon after arrival. John BECK married Sarah LLOYD 25 Feb 1840 at St Lukes Finsbury, Middlesex. He was a silver smith which seems out of kilter with his trimming making ocupation, unless silver smith was something that might apply to that trade. His father Henry was a tailor. GRO Birth John Henry BECK Mother: LLOYD 1840 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 333 The following people are in the same confusing order as on the census page. 06 Jun 1841 Census of England @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N John BECK 20 Trimming M Y Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N Sarah BECK 20 Y Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N Margaret BECK 15 Y Charles YOEMAN 15 N Eliza YOEMAN 15 N Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N Richard YOEMAN 12 N William YOEMAN 09 N Margaret GARWIN 12 Y Alfred YOEMAN 05 N Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y John BECK 6 months Y A re-ordered version 06 Jun 1841 Census of England @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N Charles YOEMAN 15 N Eliza YOEMAN 15 N Richard YOEMAN 12 N William YOEMAN 09 N Alfred YOEMAN 05 N Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y Margaret GARWIN 12 Y John BECK 20 Trimming M Y Sarah BECK 20 Y Margaret BECK 15 Y John BECK 6 months Y Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N I think Trimming M for John BECK means Trimming Maker. See the baptisms below. GRO BIRTH Sarah BECK mother: LLOYD 1842 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 552 GRO Births Thomas BECK, Mother: LLOYD 1844 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 601 GRO Birth Henry BECK mother: LLOYD 1845 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 50 London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 Born 03 May 1845, baptised 25 May 1845 John Henry son of John & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Fancy Trimming Maker, ceremony by Raymond DANIELL B.A., Curate. Three children were baptised the same day. London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 // Born 23 Nov 1840, baptised 22 Jun 1845 John Henry son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. // Born 06 Jun 1842, baptised 22 Jun 1845 Sarah dau of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. // Born 10 Dec 1843, baptised 22 Jun 1845 Thomas son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. GRO Death Henry BECK, age 3 1848 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 395 FreeBMD https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Births 4Q 1846, BECK Joseph, Bethnal Grn 2, 3 The GRO is missing the above entry (have advised them). I anticipate that the mother’s surname will be LLOYD. GRO Birth William BECK mother; LLOYD 1848 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 510 RGO Birth Eliza BECK Mother; LLOYD 1850 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 503 There are no more births for this family after Eliza in the GRO indexes. Compare the list of children on the ship TRAVANCORE with the list of children born in London to John Henry BECK & Sarah LLOYD: TRAVANCORE, ship, 562 tons, sailed 6 Dec 1850 Gravesend, arrived 31 Mar 1851 Lyttelton NZ with 149 settlers. Ages will be ages in 1850, not 1851. John BECK 32 Gardener ( born abt 1818 ) Sarah BECK 33 ( born about 1817 ) John BECK 10 ( born abt 1840 ) Sarah BECK 08 ( born abt 1842 ) Thomas BECK 07 ( born abt 1843 ) Joseph BECK 04 ( born abt 1846 ) William BECK 02 ( born abt 1848 ) Eliza BECK Inf ( born abt 1850 ) GRO BIRTH INDEX Mother Surname: LLOYD John Henry BECK reg 1840 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Sarah BECK reg 1842 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Thomas BECK reg 1843 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) Henry BECK reg 1845 died 1848 (bap 1845 to John & Sarah) Joseph BECK reg 1846 William BECK reg 1848 Eliza BECK reg 1850 Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 1:22 AM To: Olwyn Whitehouse Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hi Olwyn I’ve had a go at John & Sarah BECK on the TRAVANCORE, entertained two possibilities which I had to dismiss, and got nowhere. The only suitable John & Sarah BECK I can find in census data is a couple in 1841 living at Aston by Birmingham which is where Ann BECK & John WAKELIN married in 1840 A George HANDY is with John & Sarah in the census and in fact John BECK married Sarah HANDY, father George HANDY, at Aston Birmingham in 1841. John and George had the same occupations in the census as in the marriage record. Unfortunately, it appears that both John & Sarah were born at Sutton Coldfield and in later census enumerations they lived at Sheffield in Yorkshire and both died there during the 1860s. Therefore they cannot be John & Sarah on the ship TRAVANCORE which arrived at Lyttelton on 31 Mar 1851. I feel that the MacDonald Index card for John BECK has got it wrong when it says that John on the ship TRAVANCORE settled at Winton and later took the Acclimatisation Society position. That position was in Christchurch and John BECK of Winton took it in 1875. He later returned south to Wairio down south and became a farmer. I think the recorder of the index card must have been influenced by the fact that John BECK on the TRAVANCORE was a gardener. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 Apparently John who was at Winton and went to Christchurch then Wairio was born Ireland, married to Elizabeth GILLESPIE in Scotland and didn’t come out to NZ till much later than the one in 1851. The list of children to John and Elizabeth bears no relation to the list of children to John & Sarah. A newspaper article about his eldest daughter’s marriage calls her Jane. John & Sarah had no Jane with them on board the TRAVANCORE. I think voyage of the ship INVERCARGILL arriving in Otago in 1874 from Glasgow is the correct voyage for the man who took up the Acclimatisation Society in Christchurch (see link below). There were five children with him and Elizabeth and a sixth was born in NZ. He couldn’t have stayed at Winton long to be taking the society’s position in Christchurch in 1875. Winton is brought to our attention by the MacDonald Index card which fools us into thinking that John might have been there for quite a while due to the card falsely stating that he arrived at Lyttelton on the TRAVANCORE in 1851. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT89-N4Y These items below sum things up, especially the obituary in the Southland Times upon the death in 1884 of John BECK of Wairio. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18751020.2.7?query="john beck" winton Star, Issue 2367, 20 October 1875 Acclimatisation Society.— At a meeting of the Garden Committee on Monday, it was decided to appoint Mr John Beck of Winton, Otago, as Curator to the Society, subject to the approval of the Council of the Society. Mr Beck is the candidate who was referred to some days ago, as being the last to apply for the appointment, and who had high testimonials extending over a period of twenty-five years, besides a very strong recommendation from the Curator of the Dunedin Society. As to whether or not Winton was part of Southland or Otago at the time, this reporter of the ODT in 1875 describes it as in Southland. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18751029.2.5?query="john beck" Otago Daily Times, Issue 4274, 29 October 1875, p.2 Mr John Beck, of Winton, Southland, has received the appointment of Curator to the Acclimatisation Society of Canterbury. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18760117.2.6?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 2265, 17 January 1876 MARRIAGE. Taylor — Beck.— An the registrar's Office, Winton, on the 14th instant, by Duguld Cameron, Esq., Registrar of Marriages for the District, William Taylor, Esq., of Burnside, Winton, to Jane Beck, oldest daughter of John Beck, Esq., Curator of Acclimatisation Gardens, Christchurch https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18840823.2.21?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5012, 23 August 1884, p.3 Mr John Beck, one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, has been confined to his room for some months through severe cold settling upon him. He was one who always took a leading part in affairs of public interest in the locality, and his absence is felt very much from public gatherings. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18841122.2.16?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5092, 22 November 1884, p.2 It is with regret that I have to chronicle the death of one of our most respected inhabitants, Mr John Beck, who was one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, having been a selector m the first block of deferred payment land thrown open in the district. Deceased was a native of County Down, Ireland, where he was brought up to agriculture, but having a natural inclination to game and pisiculture, he emigrated to Scotland where he engaged in pursuits congenial to his nature for a number of years. Eventually accounts from New Zealand attracted his attention and he determined to try his fortune in the colony, selecting Christchurch, where owing to his large experience and knowledge of game, and also to high testimonials as to character and ability from persons of high standing at home, he received an appointment of trust under the Christchurch Acclimatisation Society, which he held until he determined to settle down as a farmer, selecting Wairio. Ballochmyle, the late gentleman's property, bears evidence to his natural taste for landscape, he having laid off large plantations of trees and shrubs both for shelter and ornament. Deceased always took an active part in politics, and all matters of public taste to the district. Up to the time of his death he held the position of chairman of the school committee, with the exception of one year, from the formation of the school district. He leaves, besides his wife, a family of four sons and two daughters, one of whom is married. I am none the wiser as to where John & Sarah BECK on board the TRAVANCORE were from (groan). Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

Since it does not appear possible to add notes to Denise & Peter’s shipping lists any more I will record my findings on this list, on the off-chance a descendant passes this way in the future. The Bree family, as recorded arriving on the Claramont in Auckland on 25 March 1963, according to the newspapers of the time, were W (sic) Bree, Harriett, Anna, Bertha, Reginald, and Alice Bree. I believe W Bree to be the Rev Edward Nugent Bree; and although Harriet is recorded as a Bree, I believe her to be Harriet LAMPEN; and Anna, Bertha, Reginald and Alice were the Rev Bree’s children. In the 1861 Census Harriet LAMPIN is a visitor with Edward N & Elizabeth Bree and family. Edward’s first wife was Hannah and Elizabeth was his second. His children to both wives as recorded in the 1841-61 censuses were: Eleanor Ann* b 1836 Lucy Martina, b 1838 Adela Bertha*, b 1844 Edward Augustus, b 1847, d 1854 Miles Reginald*, b 1850 Alice W*, b 1852 * emigrated on board the Claramont. Harriet Lampen becomes a busy member of the St Stephens parish, Auckland, and in 1868 marries Edouard Eugene CAFLER of Whangarei. Together they have two children, Alfred Edouard Cafler (later to marry Agnes Isabel HAIGH) and Alice Mary Cafler (marries Stanley Walter BEDLINGTON). Harriet dies in 1897 in Whangarei. Harriet is the daughter of Jospeh Skinner LAMPEN (1807-1856) and Mary Northey ABBOTT (1812-1895), and the sister of my ancestor, Catherine Abbott LAMPEN (1838-1896) who in 1862 married Frederick William SMITH (1822-1908). If anyone has knowledge of Harriet or other Lampen family in New Zealand I would be keen to hear. Elizabeth O’Connell

Resending using tinyurl. I came to the same conclusion that this BECK family must have left New Zealand soon after their arrival but I hadn't thought of looking across the ditch. Cheers, Olwyn There she is - the Wakelin passengers. *http://tinyurl.com/jbkjuxk <http://tinyurl.com/jbkjuxk>* *http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/travancore.htm <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/travancore.htm>*

I came to the same conclusion that this BECK family must have left New Zealand soon after their arrival but I had't thought of looking across the ditch. Cheers, Olwyn There she is - the Wakelin passengers. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/ TravancoreSteerageWilkin.jpg On 10 February 2017 at 05:43, Peter Dillon <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Olwyn > > I may have cracked the BECK family on board the TRAVANCORE. > > I think they had their family at Shoreditch and neighbouring areas in > London because a family raised there exactly matches them. Having arrived > at Lyttelton in 1851, they may have shot through soon after to NSW and had > more issue there starting with the first in 1855. > > Appears that John Henry BECK died 1876 and his wife Sarah LLOYD died > 1880. They are buried at Boorowa/Burrowa in NSW Wales. Researchers at the > NSW end appear not to have ascertained how they got to NSW. That is not > surprising if they went to NZ first before hopping across the Tasman to NSW. > > I have had a go at a great many sources but I am unable to find a trace of > the family in NZ despite the good number of children (eg no possible > marriages for them), and the conclusion to draw is that either they didn’t > make it onto the ship TRAVANCORE or they left NZ soon after arrival. > > > John BECK married Sarah LLOYD 25 Feb 1840 at St Lukes Finsbury, Middlesex. > He was a silver smith which seems out of kilter with his trimming making > ocupation, unless silver smith was something that might apply to that > trade. His father Henry was a tailor. > > GRO Birth > John Henry BECK > Mother: LLOYD > 1840 D Quarter in THE SHOREDITCH DISTRICT Volume 02 Page 333 > > > The following people are in the same confusing order as on the census page. > > 06 Jun 1841 Census of England > @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex > William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N > John BECK 20 Trimming M Y > Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N > Sarah BECK 20 Y > Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N > Margaret BECK 15 Y > Charles YOEMAN 15 N > Eliza YOEMAN 15 N > Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N > Richard YOEMAN 12 N > William YOEMAN 09 N > Margaret GARWIN 12 Y > Alfred YOEMAN 05 N > Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y > John BECK 6 months Y > > A re-ordered version > > 06 Jun 1841 Census of England > @ Worship Street, St Leonards Shoreditch, Middlesex > William YOEMAN 40 Flat M N > Elisabeth YOEMAN 40 N > Thomas YOEMAN 20 Velvet M N > Charles YOEMAN 15 N > Eliza YOEMAN 15 N > Richard YOEMAN 12 N > William YOEMAN 09 N > Alfred YOEMAN 05 N > Sarah YOEMAN 01 Y > Margaret GARWIN 12 Y > John BECK 20 Trimming M Y > Sarah BECK 20 Y > Margaret BECK 15 Y > John BECK 6 months Y > Lucy ASHBY 15 F.S. N > > I think Trimming M for John BECK means Trimming Maker. See the baptisms > below. > > > GRO BIRTH > Sarah BECK > mother: LLOYD > 1842 J Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 552 > > > GRO Births > Thomas BECK, > Mother: LLOYD > 1844 M Quarter in WHITECHAPEL UNION Volume 02 Page 601 > > GRO Birth > Henry BECK > mother: LLOYD > 1845 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 50 > > > London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 > http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 > Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County > Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 > Born 03 May 1845, baptised 25 May 1845 > John Henry son of John & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Fancy Trimming Maker, > ceremony by Raymond DANIELL B.A., Curate. > > Three children were baptised the same day. > > London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 > http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1558 > Baptisms solemnized in the parish of St Leonards Shoreditch in the County > Of Middlesex in the Year 1845 > // > Born 23 Nov 1840, baptised 22 Jun 1845 > John Henry son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming > Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. > // > Born 06 Jun 1842, baptised 22 Jun 1845 > Sarah dau of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming > Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. > // > Born 10 Dec 1843, baptised 22 Jun 1845 > Thomas son of John Henry & Sarah BECK, Minerva Street, Trimming > Manufacturer, ceremony by J. D. MATHERS. > > GRO Death > Henry BECK, age 3 > 1848 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 395 > > FreeBMD > https://www.freebmd.org.uk/ > Births 4Q 1846, BECK Joseph, Bethnal Grn 2, 3 > > The GRO is missing the above entry (have advised them). I anticipate that > the mother’s surname will be LLOYD. > > GRO Birth > William BECK > mother; LLOYD > 1848 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 510 > > RGO Birth > Eliza BECK > Mother; LLOYD > 1850 S Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 02 Page 503 > > There are no more births for this family after Eliza in the GRO indexes. > > Compare the list of children on the ship TRAVANCORE with the list of > children born in London to John Henry BECK & Sarah LLOYD: > > TRAVANCORE, ship, 562 tons, sailed 6 Dec 1850 Gravesend, arrived 31 Mar > 1851 Lyttelton NZ with 149 settlers. Ages will be ages in 1850, not 1851. > John BECK 32 Gardener ( born abt 1818 ) > Sarah BECK 33 ( born about 1817 ) > > John BECK 10 ( born abt 1840 ) > Sarah BECK 08 ( born abt 1842 ) > Thomas BECK 07 ( born abt 1843 ) > Joseph BECK 04 ( born abt 1846 ) > William BECK 02 ( born abt 1848 ) > Eliza BECK Inf ( born abt 1850 ) > > > GRO BIRTH INDEX > > Mother Surname: LLOYD > > John Henry BECK reg 1840 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) > Sarah BECK reg 1842 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) > Thomas BECK reg 1843 (bap 1845 to John Henry & Sarah) > Henry BECK reg 1845 died 1848 (bap 1845 to John & Sarah) > Joseph BECK reg 1846 > William BECK reg 1848 > Eliza BECK reg 1850 > > > Peter > > > *From:* Peter Dillon > *Sent:* Friday, February 10, 2017 1:22 AM > *To:* Olwyn Whitehouse > *Cc:* new-zealand > *Subject:* Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) > > Hi Olwyn > > I’ve had a go at John & Sarah BECK on the TRAVANCORE, entertained two > possibilities which I had to dismiss, and got nowhere. > > The only suitable John & Sarah BECK I can find in census data is a couple > in 1841 living at Aston by Birmingham which is where Ann BECK & John > WAKELIN married in 1840 > > A George HANDY is with John & Sarah in the census and in fact John BECK > married Sarah HANDY, father George HANDY, at Aston Birmingham in 1841. > John and George had the same occupations in the census as in the marriage > record. > > Unfortunately, it appears that both John & Sarah were born at Sutton > Coldfield and in later census enumerations they lived at Sheffield in > Yorkshire and both died there during the 1860s. > > Therefore they cannot be John & Sarah on the ship TRAVANCORE which arrived > at Lyttelton on 31 Mar 1851. > > I feel that the MacDonald Index card for John BECK has got it wrong when > it says that John on the ship TRAVANCORE settled at Winton and later took > the Acclimatisation Society position. That position was in Christchurch > and John BECK of Winton took it in 1875. He later returned south to Wairio > down south and became a farmer. I think the recorder of the index card > must have been influenced by the fact that John BECK on the TRAVANCORE was > a gardener. > > https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 > > Apparently John who was at Winton and went to Christchurch then Wairio was > born Ireland, married to Elizabeth GILLESPIE in Scotland and didn’t come > out to NZ till much later than the one in 1851. The list of children to > John and Elizabeth bears no relation to the list of children to John & > Sarah. A newspaper article about his eldest daughter’s marriage calls her > Jane. John & Sarah had no Jane with them on board the TRAVANCORE. > > I think voyage of the ship INVERCARGILL arriving in Otago in 1874 from > Glasgow is the correct voyage for the man who took up the Acclimatisation > Society in Christchurch (see link below). There were five children with > him and Elizabeth and a sixth was born in NZ. He couldn’t have stayed at > Winton long to be taking the society’s position in Christchurch in 1875. > Winton is brought to our attention by the MacDonald Index card which fools > us into thinking that John might have been there for quite a while due to > the card falsely stating that he arrived at Lyttelton on the TRAVANCORE in > 1851. > > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT89-N4Y > > These items below sum things up, especially the obituary in the Southland > Times upon the death in 1884 of John BECK of Wairio. > > https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18751020.2.7?query="john > beck" winton > Star, Issue 2367, 20 October 1875 > Acclimatisation Society.— At a meeting of the Garden Committee on Monday, > it was decided to appoint Mr John Beck of Winton, Otago, as Curator to the > Society, subject to the approval of the Council of the Society. Mr Beck is > the candidate who was referred to some days ago, as being the last to apply > for the appointment, and who had high testimonials extending over a period > of twenty-five years, besides a very strong recommendation from the Curator > of the Dunedin Society. > > As to whether or not Winton was part of Southland or Otago at the time, > this reporter of the ODT in 1875 describes it as in Southland. > > https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18751029.2.5?query="john > beck" > Otago Daily Times, Issue 4274, 29 October 1875, p.2 > Mr John Beck, of Winton, Southland, has received the appointment of > Curator to the Acclimatisation Society of Canterbury. > > > https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18760117.2.6?query="john > beck" > Southland Times, Issue 2265, 17 January 1876 > MARRIAGE. > Taylor — Beck.— An the registrar's Office, Winton, on the 14th instant, by > Duguld Cameron, Esq., Registrar of Marriages for the District, William > Taylor, Esq., of Burnside, Winton, to Jane Beck, oldest daughter of John > Beck, Esq., Curator of Acclimatisation Gardens, Christchurch > > > https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18840823.2.21?query="john > beck" > Southland Times, Issue 5012, 23 August 1884, p.3 > Mr John Beck, one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, has been confined to > his room for some months through severe cold settling upon him. He was one > who always took a leading part in affairs of public interest in the > locality, and his absence is felt very much from public gatherings. > > > https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18841122.2.16?query="john > beck" > Southland Times, Issue 5092, 22 November 1884, p.2 > It is with regret that I have to chronicle the death of one of our most > respected inhabitants, Mr John Beck, who was one of the pioneer settlers of > Wairio, having been a selector m the first block of deferred payment land > thrown open in the district. Deceased was a native of County Down, Ireland, > where he was brought up to agriculture, but having a natural inclination to > game and pisiculture, he emigrated to Scotland where he engaged in pursuits > congenial to his nature for a number of years. Eventually accounts from New > Zealand attracted his attention and he determined to try his fortune in the > colony, selecting Christchurch, where owing to his large experience and > knowledge of game, and also to high testimonials as to character and > ability from persons of high standing at home, he received an appointment > of trust under the Christchurch Acclimatisation Society, which he held > until he determined to settle down as a farmer, selecting Wairio. > Ballochmyle, the late gentleman's property, bears evidence to his natural > taste for landscape, he having laid off large plantations of trees and > shrubs both for shelter and ornament. Deceased always took an active part > in politics, and all matters of public taste to the district. Up to the > time of his death he held the position of chairman of the school committee, > with the exception of one year, from the formation of the school district. > He leaves, besides his wife, a family of four sons and two daughters, one > of whom is married. > > > I am none the wiser as to where John & Sarah BECK on board the TRAVANCORE > were from (groan). > > Peter > > > *From:* Olwyn Whitehouse > *Sent:* Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM > *To:* Peter Dillon > *Cc:* new-zealand > *Subject:* Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) > > Hello Peter, > I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list > archives. > > Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to > Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They > settled in Winton, Otago. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/ > images/Travancore.jpg >

Hi Olwyn I’ve had a go at John & Sarah BECK on the TRAVANCORE, entertained two possibilities which I had to dismiss, and got nowhere. The only suitable John & Sarah BECK I can find in census data is a couple in 1841 living at Aston by Birmingham which is where Ann BECK & John WAKELIN married in 1840 A George HANDY is with John & Sarah in the census and in fact John BECK married Sarah HANDY, father George HANDY, at Aston Birmingham in 1841. John and George had the same occupations in the census as in the marriage record. Unfortunately, it appears that both John & Sarah were born at Sutton Coldfield and in later census enumerations they lived at Sheffield in Yorkshire and both died there during the 1860s. Therefore they cannot be John & Sarah on the ship TRAVANCORE which arrived at Lyttelton on 31 Mar 1851. I feel that the MacDonald Index card for John BECK has got it wrong when it says that John on the ship TRAVANCORE settled at Winton and later took the Acclimatisation Society position. That position was in Christchurch and John BECK of Winton took it in 1875. He later returned south to Wairio down south and became a farmer. I think the recorder of the index card must have been influenced by the fact that John BECK on the TRAVANCORE was a gardener. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 Apparently John who was at Winton and went to Christchurch then Wairio was born Ireland, married to Elizabeth GILLESPIE in Scotland and didn’t come out to NZ till much later than the one in 1851. The list of children to John and Elizabeth bears no relation to the list of children to John & Sarah. A newspaper article about his eldest daughter’s marriage calls her Jane. John & Sarah had no Jane with them on board the TRAVANCORE. I think voyage of the ship INVERCARGILL arriving in Otago in 1874 from Glasgow is the correct voyage for the man who took up the Acclimatisation Society in Christchurch (see link below). There were five children with him and Elizabeth and a sixth was born in NZ. He couldn’t have stayed at Winton long to be taking the society’s position in Christchurch in 1875. Winton is brought to our attention by the MacDonald Index card which fools us into thinking that John might have been there for quite a while due to the card falsely stating that he arrived at Lyttelton on the TRAVANCORE in 1851. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT89-N4Y These items below sum things up, especially the obituary in the Southland Times upon the death in 1884 of John BECK of Wairio. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18751020.2.7?query="john beck" winton Star, Issue 2367, 20 October 1875 Acclimatisation Society.— At a meeting of the Garden Committee on Monday, it was decided to appoint Mr John Beck of Winton, Otago, as Curator to the Society, subject to the approval of the Council of the Society. Mr Beck is the candidate who was referred to some days ago, as being the last to apply for the appointment, and who had high testimonials extending over a period of twenty-five years, besides a very strong recommendation from the Curator of the Dunedin Society. As to whether or not Winton was part of Southland or Otago at the time, this reporter of the ODT in 1875 describes it as in Southland. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT18751029.2.5?query="john beck" Otago Daily Times, Issue 4274, 29 October 1875, p.2 Mr John Beck, of Winton, Southland, has received the appointment of Curator to the Acclimatisation Society of Canterbury. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18760117.2.6?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 2265, 17 January 1876 MARRIAGE. Taylor — Beck.— An the registrar's Office, Winton, on the 14th instant, by Duguld Cameron, Esq., Registrar of Marriages for the District, William Taylor, Esq., of Burnside, Winton, to Jane Beck, oldest daughter of John Beck, Esq., Curator of Acclimatisation Gardens, Christchurch https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18840823.2.21?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5012, 23 August 1884, p.3 Mr John Beck, one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, has been confined to his room for some months through severe cold settling upon him. He was one who always took a leading part in affairs of public interest in the locality, and his absence is felt very much from public gatherings. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ST18841122.2.16?query="john beck" Southland Times, Issue 5092, 22 November 1884, p.2 It is with regret that I have to chronicle the death of one of our most respected inhabitants, Mr John Beck, who was one of the pioneer settlers of Wairio, having been a selector m the first block of deferred payment land thrown open in the district. Deceased was a native of County Down, Ireland, where he was brought up to agriculture, but having a natural inclination to game and pisiculture, he emigrated to Scotland where he engaged in pursuits congenial to his nature for a number of years. Eventually accounts from New Zealand attracted his attention and he determined to try his fortune in the colony, selecting Christchurch, where owing to his large experience and knowledge of game, and also to high testimonials as to character and ability from persons of high standing at home, he received an appointment of trust under the Christchurch Acclimatisation Society, which he held until he determined to settle down as a farmer, selecting Wairio. Ballochmyle, the late gentleman's property, bears evidence to his natural taste for landscape, he having laid off large plantations of trees and shrubs both for shelter and ornament. Deceased always took an active part in politics, and all matters of public taste to the district. Up to the time of his death he held the position of chairman of the school committee, with the exception of one year, from the formation of the school district. He leaves, besides his wife, a family of four sons and two daughters, one of whom is married. I am none the wiser as to where John & Sarah BECK on board the TRAVANCORE were from (groan). Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

actually someone else posted about it to this list not long ago but I can't remember who it was -----Original Message----- From: Joy L Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 10:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [nz] NEW-ZEALAND Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37 GRO INDEXES Peter Dillon Just want to say thanks ever so much for your post on the 1st Feb. Just reading my backlog, I didn't know about the adding of mothers surnames on the GRO indexes. I have now confirmed births as being to correct parents because of this. This is what we have wanted for years. Thanks A very grateful Joy Light from Australia The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Depends on your point of view, then versus now. Southland province didn't exist in the early days. I don't know the period when John & co went south having arrived at Lyttelton on 31 Mar 1851, but Southland was first proclaimed a province in 1861 then rejoined Otago in 1870. So if the BECKs went to Otago in the 1850s then it is correct to say that they went to Winton in Otago. I've got an ancestor who left County Down for New Zealand and was in NZ by at least 1871. Some people put him down in their records as being born in Northern Ireland but I always put him as being born in Ireland...because he was. Northern Ireland didn't even exist in the 1800s. Peter -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm and Carolyn Deverson Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 8:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [nz] Winton Re Olwen's reply mentioning Winton, it is not in Otago, it is in Southland. I know because I lived ten minutes from there when I was a child. It is in Central Southland, about 15-20 minutes from Invercargill. Cheers, Carolyn Deverson. The List Guidelines http://new-zealand-l.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter Dillon Just want to say thanks ever so much for your post on the 1st Feb. Just reading my backlog, I didn't know about the adding of mothers surnames on the GRO indexes. I have now confirmed births as being to correct parents because of this. This is what we have wanted for years. Thanks A very grateful Joy Light from Australia

Re Olwen's reply mentioning Winton, it is not in Otago, it is in Southland. I know because I lived ten minutes from there when I was a child. It is in Central Southland, about 15-20 minutes from Invercargill. Cheers, Carolyn Deverson.

Hi Olwyn I just realised I haven’t viewed your link yet and that it is actually a scan of the part of the pax list containing the BECK family! But says nothing about origin, which I suppose is why the MacDonald List said nothing about origin. Do you have a scan of the section the WAKELIN family is in? Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:47 PM Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hi Olwyn Probably you have seen this card for John BECK in the MacDonald Index which refers to the move to Otago but unfortunately it doesn’t say anything about his origins. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 This card for John WAKELIN gives the pax list as a source for him. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/718359 Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:19 PM Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hi Olwyn I don’t know. Some trees have assumed that John BECK on the ship is related to Ann BECK the wife of John WAKELIN on the voyage but I haven’t seen the proof of it. I haven’t had a go at them yet. Presumably John’s death registration should give his parents as long as it wasn’t too early. Could be like Ann though, her’s just said her father was Richard the bricklayer and that she was born in Leicestershire, mother unknown. I haven’t located an original scan of the passenger list, just a summary online (at your pages I think!). An item in the MacDonald Index at Canterbury Museum quoted a pax list for the voyage as a source, so maybe that is at Archives NZ in Peterborough St in Chch seeing as lots of them were transfered there some years ago. Doesn’t come up on Archway though. Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

Hi Olwyn Probably you have seen this card for John BECK in the MacDonald Index which refers to the move to Otago but unfortunately it doesn’t say anything about his origins. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/708306 This card for John WAKELIN gives the pax list as a source for him. https://collection.canterburymuseum.com/objects/718359 Peter From: Peter Dillon Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 6:19 PM Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hi Olwyn I don’t know. Some trees have assumed that John BECK on the ship is related to Ann BECK the wife of John WAKELIN on the voyage but I haven’t seen the proof of it. I haven’t had a go at them yet. Presumably John’s death registration should give his parents as long as it wasn’t too early. Could be like Ann though, her’s just said her father was Richard the bricklayer and that she was born in Leicestershire, mother unknown. I haven’t located an original scan of the passenger list, just a summary online (at your pages I think!). An item in the MacDonald Index at Canterbury Museum quoted a pax list for the voyage as a source, so maybe that is at Archives NZ in Peterborough St in Chch seeing as lots of them were transfered there some years ago. Doesn’t come up on Archway though. Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg

Hi Olwyn I don’t know. Some trees have assumed that John BECK on the ship is related to Ann BECK the wife of John WAKELIN on the voyage but I haven’t seen the proof of it. I haven’t had a go at them yet. Presumably John’s death registration should give his parents as long as it wasn’t too early. Could be like Ann though, her’s just said her father was Richard the bricklayer and that she was born in Leicestershire, mother unknown. I haven’t located an original scan of the passenger list, just a summary online (at your pages I think!). An item in the MacDonald Index at Canterbury Museum quoted a pax list for the voyage as a source, so maybe that is at Archives NZ in Peterborough St in Chch seeing as lots of them were transfered there some years ago. Doesn’t come up on Archway though. Peter From: Olwyn Whitehouse Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 3:40 PM To: Peter Dillon Cc: new-zealand Subject: Re: [nz] Ann BECK ( =John WAKELIN ) Hello Peter, I like your idea of adding information like this to the mailing list archives. Was John and Sarah BECK and family, passengers on the Travancore to Lyttelton in December 2850 related to Mrs. Ann Wakelin nee Beck? They settled in Winton, Otago. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/images/Travancore.jpg