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    1. [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks - hot box
    2. Ray Sears
    3. Here in Oklahoma we have a lot of brush fires caused by train "hot-boxes." I imagine that caused fires in New England too, but of course there is less rain here (33 inches vs 42 inches). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_box The tracks here are somewhat of an eyesore because the railroad sprays a vegetation killer (nuclear Round-up or some such) about 10 feet out from either side of the tracks to reduce fuel sources. I don't think anything can live in that kill zone. Berkshire Hathaway's - Burlington Northern runs everything out here. Fires have been known to burn bridge trusses weakening them enough to cause de-railments. http://www.dbiservices.com/rr/page2.asp Ray Sears ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wright" <pontegwatrail@netzero.net> To: <new-england-railroads@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks > Hi Betty, > > I'm a past Deputy Fire Chief of a local volunteer fire dept., and a past > Deputy Forest Fire Warden for my town. > > There is a railroad that runs through were I live (the New York to > Montreal line) and over the years we've have been fires along the track. > The cause is the train's engine. There are screens in the exhaust smoke > stack to stop any hot sparks from flying out and starting a brush fire > along the tracks. When these screens get old holes become worn in them, > and the sparks fly out. When it's hot, dry, and windy, fires flare up. > > Yes, in theory, the old coal fired steam engines would have been more > prone to emitting sparks as they had live fire, but they had the same > screens in the smoke stack. However, in the old days with the steam > trains, they kept much, much better care of the tracks and kept the grass > and brush cut back. The tracks were very good looking and clean (according > to old photos I've seen). So, the fires along the tracks may not have > been worse back then; they were probably little spot fires if anything. I > feel the fires are worse these days as we have so much more heavy brush > along the tracks (not at all well cared for), which a small spot fire will > turn into a roaring brush fire, and if the wind is just right it will > travel and burn acres and acres of land. > > > Charlie > > North Walpole, NH (across from Bellows Falls, VT - the railroad's central > hub in the day) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > To: <New-England-Railroads@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:37 PM > Subject: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks > > >> Hello, >> >> I've been busy and am catching with the on-line news for the "Bangor >> Daily >> News" (Maine). This isn't exactly about the history of trains, train >> travel, and tracks in New England. But, it could be. If debris >> alongside train tracks can catch on fire during our current years, it >> probably could have happened in all of train-travel history. >> >> http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/144563.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campa ign=15d894c416-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates >> >> >> Betty (near Lowell, MA) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> NEW ENGLAND RAILROADS MAILING LIST >> >> LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history >> information pertaining to the New England railroads and the people who >> built or operated them. >> >> Contact the List Admin at new-england-railroads-admin@rootsweb.com, or to >> search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use >> the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list >> information page online: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/NEW-ENGLAND-RAILR OADS.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- NEW ENGLAND RAILROADS MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history information pertaining to the New England railroads and the people who built or operated them. Contact the List Admin at new-england-railroads-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list information page online: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/NEW-ENGLAND-RAILR OADS.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    06/05/2010 02:11:18
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks
    2. Betty
    3. Hi Charlie, Thank you for explaining that. I can mention an FYI. My paternal grandparents from Winchester and Stoneham, MA, "eloped" to Bellows Falls, VT, in Aug. 1916. Silas had just had his 18th birthday, and Clarissa was still 17. I'm guessing she was pregnant. * I'm also guessing they got on a train to get up to VT. Betty (Silas and Clarissa had 2 still-births in a row and then had 3 children. It was a troubled marriage and they divorced in 1935. Clarissa was already pregnant when she married for the second time in early 1936.) :o) (Silas also remarried early 1936 but never had more children; he had 5 step-children with his second wife and 5 step-children with his third wife. I have found the BEDELL step-children and have corresponded with them for 6 yrs.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wright" <pontegwatrail@netzero.net> To: <new-england-railroads@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks > Hi Betty, > > I'm a past Deputy Fire Chief of a local volunteer fire dept., and a past > Deputy Forest Fire Warden for my town. > > There is a railroad that runs through were I live (the New York to > Montreal line) and over the years we've have been fires along the track. > The cause is the train's engine. There are screens in the exhaust smoke > stack to stop any hot sparks from flying out and starting a brush fire > along the tracks. When these screens get old holes become worn in them, > and the sparks fly out. When it's hot, dry, and windy, fires flare up. > > Yes, in theory, the old coal fired steam engines would have been more > prone to emitting sparks as they had live fire, but they had the same > screens in the smoke stack. However, in the old days with the steam > trains, they kept much, much better care of the tracks and kept the grass > and brush cut back. The tracks were very good looking and clean (according > to old photos I've seen). So, the fires along the tracks may not have > been worse back then; they were probably little spot fires if anything. I > feel the fires are worse these days as we have so much more heavy brush > along the tracks (not at all well cared for), which a small spot fire will > turn into a roaring brush fire, and if the wind is just right it will > travel and burn acres and acres of land. > > > Charlie > > North Walpole, NH (across from Bellows Falls, VT - the railroad's central > hub in the day) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> > To: <New-England-Railroads@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:37 PM > Subject: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks > > >> Hello, >> >> I've been busy and am catching with the on-line news for the "Bangor >> Daily >> News" (Maine). This isn't exactly about the history of trains, train >> travel, and tracks in New England. But, it could be. If debris >> alongside train tracks can catch on fire during our current years, it >> probably could have happened in all of train-travel history. >> >> http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/144563.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=15d894c416-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates >> >> >> Betty (near Lowell, MA) >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> NEW ENGLAND RAILROADS MAILING LIST >> >> LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history >> information pertaining to the New England railroads and the people who >> built or operated them. >> >> Contact the List Admin at new-england-railroads-admin@rootsweb.com, or to >> search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use >> the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list >> information page online: >> >> http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS.html >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

    06/03/2010 11:56:33
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks
    2. Charles Wright
    3. Hi Betty, I'm a past Deputy Fire Chief of a local volunteer fire dept., and a past Deputy Forest Fire Warden for my town. There is a railroad that runs through were I live (the New York to Montreal line) and over the years we've have been fires along the track. The cause is the train's engine. There are screens in the exhaust smoke stack to stop any hot sparks from flying out and starting a brush fire along the tracks. When these screens get old holes become worn in them, and the sparks fly out. When it's hot, dry, and windy, fires flare up. Yes, in theory, the old coal fired steam engines would have been more prone to emitting sparks as they had live fire, but they had the same screens in the smoke stack. However, in the old days with the steam trains, they kept much, much better care of the tracks and kept the grass and brush cut back. The tracks were very good looking and clean (according to old photos I've seen). So, the fires along the tracks may not have been worse back then; they were probably little spot fires if anything. I feel the fires are worse these days as we have so much more heavy brush along the tracks (not at all well cared for), which a small spot fire will turn into a roaring brush fire, and if the wind is just right it will travel and burn acres and acres of land. Charlie North Walpole, NH (across from Bellows Falls, VT - the railroad's central hub in the day) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <bbffrrpp@comcast.net> To: <New-England-Railroads@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks > Hello, > > I've been busy and am catching with the on-line news for the "Bangor Daily > News" (Maine). This isn't exactly about the history of trains, train > travel, and tracks in New England. But, it could be. If debris > alongside train tracks can catch on fire during our current years, it > probably could have happened in all of train-travel history. > > http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/144563.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=15d894c416-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates > > > Betty (near Lowell, MA) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > NEW ENGLAND RAILROADS MAILING LIST > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion and research of genealogy or history > information pertaining to the New England railroads and the people who > built or operated them. > > Contact the List Admin at new-england-railroads-admin@rootsweb.com, or to > search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use > the list more effectively, please click on the following link to the list > information page online: > > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    06/03/2010 01:14:47
    1. [NE Railroads] Problems with RR Tracks
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, I've been busy and am catching with the on-line news for the "Bangor Daily News" (Maine). This isn't exactly about the history of trains, train travel, and tracks in New England. But, it could be. If debris alongside train tracks can catch on fire during our current years, it probably could have happened in all of train-travel history. http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/144563.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=15d894c416-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates Betty (near Lowell, MA)

    06/03/2010 12:37:23
    1. [NE Railroads] "Down East Magazine"
    2. Betty
    3. Hi again, Just curious if anyone reads the "Down East Magazine." I'm just searching "Down East" on-line for items on sale. I'm seeing many, old issues of this magazine being sold, and I'm seeing at least a half-dozen of them have an article about a railroad in Maine. I just noticed one title mentioning an old "narrow-guage in Bridgeton." Betty (near Lowell, MA)

    05/24/2010 12:22:39
    1. [NE Railroads] Special Book mentioned on-line which has maps
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, As happens many times, I went looking for a book about Maine this morning, and found another book about Maine which is about railroads. It seems to be a special book, but unfortunately it's offered for a special price. We're not supposed to mention this web site on the Lists and Boards. But, I can offer it for information-only. Perhaps it is available in a library someplace. * (I have no connection to anything being sold on-line.) http://cgi.ebay.com/Down-East-Latch-Strings-1887-B-M-RR-w-6-lg-color-maps-/110305121462?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item19aeb294b6 -- Anyone have any summertime RR stories to tell ? Or, will you be visiting any "train museums" this summer? Betty (near Lowell, MA) * I just found out that the Haverhill Public Library has reopened their large Special Collections Room. Budget cuts forced them to close it at least a year ago. I've only been there a few times in years past, but I was always amazed at how many books they have in that room. There must be books on railroads and trains there.

    05/24/2010 12:03:06
    1. [NE Railroads] Old Canada Road
    2. Stumpie
    3. Hey, check this out.  http://books.google.com/books?id=3X-4t4qKo-IC&pg=PA1050&lpg=PA1050&dq=somerset+railway+maine&source=bl&ots=4YyYc7Fioi&sig=Cx2s9YNYmE3l8IY5j3dv-uYeE4E&hl=en&ei=yL7JS46tIYPmswPztI2QAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=somerset%20railway%20maine&f=false This is the Genealogical and Family History of the State of Maine on Google Books., Vol 3.  Page 1052 mentions the Somerset Railway. Cheers, Paul 

    04/17/2010 01:04:49
    1. [NE Railroads] Old Canada Road
    2. Stumpie
    3. You may want to check out the Somerset Railway that merged into the Maine Central. Cheers! Paul

    04/17/2010 12:08:26
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Montreal, Maine, and Atlantic Railway
    2. bob gillis
    3. On 4/16/2010 5:51 AM, Betty wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in Washington County, ME, for my KIDDER / WILKINS > research. So, I subscribed a year ago to the "daily news" coming in > an e-mail from the "Bangor Daily News." This month the newspaper > has been discussing the "Montreal, Aroostook .. and that it is in > trouble financially. I'd like to mention this article which says > there are people trying to save it: > > http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/140787.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=da3c3240e7-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates > > > > I don't know very much about all the RR tracks running through the > State of Maine. But, I've heard about the "Old Canada Road" which > was one of the original roads used by people traveling back and forth > between Maine and the Province of Quebec. I'm curious whether > there are tracks which run in the approximate area of the "Old Canada > Road." The former Canadian Pacific route, now Montreal, Maine and Atlantic crossed the Road at Jackman. bob gillis

    04/16/2010 02:11:34
    1. [NE Railroads] Montreal, Maine, and Atlantic Railway
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, I am interested in Washington County, ME, for my KIDDER / WILKINS research. So, I subscribed a year ago to the "daily news" coming in an e-mail from the "Bangor Daily News." This month the newspaper has been discussing the "Montreal, Aroostook .. and that it is in trouble financially. I'd like to mention this article which says there are people trying to save it: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/140787.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=da3c3240e7-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates I don't know very much about all the RR tracks running through the State of Maine. But, I've heard about the "Old Canada Road" which was one of the original roads used by people traveling back and forth between Maine and the Province of Quebec. I'm curious whether there are tracks which run in the approximate area of the "Old Canada Road." http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~meocrhs/ http://www.exploremaine.org/byways/canada.html Betty (near Lowell, MA) http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS.html

    04/15/2010 11:51:32
    1. [NE Railroads] Aroostook County, Maine (Stories to Tell ??)
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, Because some of my ancestors were along the Maine / New Brunswick border from the 1780's on, I signed up for getting "daily news" from the "Bangor Daily News" last year. There is an article from a few days ago that I thought I would offer on this List: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/137192.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=7be8fca4a0-RSS_MORNINGUPDATE_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_source=BDN+News+Updates .... Does anyone else have some news to mention on this new List? Any RR stories to tell? During the next few days I hope to type up a report on my great-grandmother and her 5 siblings. The CORKILL children were born in Liverpool, England, and came to Canada during the 1870's (Age 16 down to 3). * My gr-grandmother married in Nova Scotia and the couple came down to MA where they raised 13 children. Her sister, Julia, married in Nova Scotia and remained there. Unfortunately, a couple years after her 10th child was born her husband was killed in a "trainyard accident." I was reminded last week that it was 1902. If I remember correctly, he was standing above the train being "loaded" and had a fatal fall. .. I could mention that my grandmother's story is one mystery after another. After all is said and done, it turns out that her Adoptive parents, a couple in their 50's from CT, told her one lie after another. She only lived with the couple in Melrose, MA, from infancy to Age 10. One of the stories was that her birth-mother had been killed in a train accident while traveling. Would have been ~1890. It was a lie as it was a relative of the Adoptive mother who had been killed that way. * .. I've been watching some of the PBS shows on the "beginnings of the National Parks." And train travel was very much involved in the very first visitors to the National Parks. http://www.pbs.org/nationalparks/ (It seems there is only one National Park in the New England / New York area.) Betty (near Lowell, MA) * My grandmother's Adoptive parents from ~1889 to 1899, "knew" who her birth-parents were, and they were encouraged to tell her when she was 10, and they never did. My "educated guess" is that they were her maternal grandparents. I believe their married daughter in CT had a pregnancy outside of her marriage in the summer of 1888.

    02/25/2010 12:13:53
    1. [NE Railroads] Keeping the Tracks Clear of Leaves / Snow
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, I get e-mail updates from the MBTA's offices, and this morning there is an article about how the tracks are kept clear of "leaves" during the "foliage season." I thought I would post it here. See below. Also, when I lived beside some RR tracks for a few years and could see them through my window, I saw many "vehicles" on the tracks - strange looking vehicles - usually yellow. I was told they serve several purposes. Near the bottom of this page there is a small picture of some of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_tracks There were also pick-up trucks which went up and down the tracks. I understand they could be set up on "train wheels" but I didn't understand how they got on and off the tracks. And, in addition to "foliage season" there is also "snow." I remember the day that I decided to take a ride on the "commuter rail" to Medford or Boston during a snowstorm. It was interesting. But, on the return trip, when it was time to get off the train, the train "slid" past the station. And the conductor did not warn us ahead of time that there would now be a one-foot "drop" where we would end up in a foot of "snow." OUCH. Betty (near Lowell, MA) FYI: Introduction of our Pressure Washer We are nearing the end of the time of year when we see the condition that many of you may be familiar with known as "Slippery Rail". For those of you who are not familiar with this annual phenomenon, fallen leaves are crushed by passing trains and then cling to the top surface of the rails leaving behind a slick coating, particularly when moistened by dew or rain. This condition leads to reduced friction between the rail and a train's wheels and with less friction it takes longer distances to brake and accelerate. As a result and for the safety of all passengers, trains must travel at reduced speeds, which can result in train delays. In order to help minimize those delays that are caused by this annual occurrence, MBCR work crews spent the summer cutting back trees and shrubs along the railroad tracks throughout the system. In addition to this effort, MBCR has been operating two high pressure rail washers which while attached to a moving rail car blasts the rails with water jets at some 15,000 pounds of pressure per square inch. This method has proven effective in clearing the tracks of fallen leaves and was mobilized in between rush hour periods and on weekends for the last several weeks. By way of trying to explain both the process and the impact this piece of work equipment has had on the commuter rail's on-time performance during the fall we have made a short film depicting the process and would like to share it with you. This is the first in what we hope will become a series of short film clips to help our passengers understand the various methods we employ to help minimize delays, improve on-time performance and improve the safety of the commuter rail every day. Please log on to the following link to view the film: http://powerhost.powerstream.net/003/02584/blackrail.wmv Stay tuned for the next release and as always, thank you for riding the commuter rail!

    11/19/2009 11:43:24
    1. [NE Railroads] "Mail" going by "Rail"
    2. Betty
    3. Hello, I was just doing a Google search for "Kingston, Maine," which seems to be a mysterious town. In the search I came across the report from the Postmaster General which mentions http://books.google.com/books?id=BC4rAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=%22Kingston,+Maine%22&source=bl&ots=XQPqfEwZxe&sig=d8DaTbN1ks0e4ozgSzwwEN3Y9I0&hl=en&ei=OYICS-ruF8yHnQfvwP2TAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAsQ6AEwATgU# It appears to be a letter from the Postmaster General in 1911. I thought someone might be interested in the information in the letter. Betty (near Lowell, MA)

    11/16/2009 11:04:47
    1. [NE Railroads] NEW-ENGLAND-RAILROADS / Fairlee
    2. {3q} excerpted from Frontier Crossroads by E. M. Nelson "The Connecticut and Passumpsic Rivers Railroad charter was renewed on October 31, 1843 ." "As originally chartered, the road[bed] was to run from some point near the Connecticut River on the Massachusetts line, up [north] the Connecticut and Passumsic valleys, reaching Canada at some point in Newport or Derby as might be feasible." "In spite of predictions, however, the railroad did not reach the Canadian line at Beebe [Quebec] until 1866" Dave

    10/15/2009 01:15:00
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Killed by a bridge
    2. Boy, you people in Vermont have some pretty mean bridges out there. ;-) I think you are taking the wording too literally.  If he wasn't a railroad employee, he was probably a trespasser.  People still use railroad bridges for crossing rivers and streams since the RR bridge is often the shortest route from one side to the other.  Every so often, I still read about someone who gets caught by a train while walking across a bridge.  Usually, there's no clearance on either side of RR bridges because pedestrians aren't supposed to be there.  And by the time the train sees him, it's too late. I don't know how close to Fairlee you are, but if you can, I'd try to find an 1872 newspaper from the area.  Could have been a county weekly paper.  Something was written about the accident when it happened, you just have to dig it out.  I can't tell you how much time I've spent libraries looking through old microfilm reels. Again, the Connecticut & Passumptic Rivers RR merged into the Boston & Lowell in 1887 and the B&L merged into the Boston & Maine later that year. Good Luck. Cheers! Paul The next thing is, it states he was: "killed by a bridge" Oct. 28, 1872 in Fairlee, VT. What comes to mind is, either there was a train wreck which happened on a bridge (to be "killed by a bridge"), or he was working on constructing a bridge and it collapsed while working on it (to be "killed by a bridge").  This came from a family manuscript written in 1906 and that's all it says, no mention of him "working" for the RR, just that he was on that "Pass. RR" when he died.   ??? Are there any records of train accidents that include Fairlee, VT?

    10/14/2009 03:46:32
    1. [NE Railroads] train bridge in Fairlee, Vt.
    2. Charles B. Wright
    3. Betty and Bob, Thank you for the help and information on "the" bridge in Fairlee, Vt. I've been on the "T" in Boston a few times (Green and Red lines). I grew up in Walpole, and I remember Steamtown going along the Connecticut River heading to the Westmoreland Depot and back to North Walpole. My dad and I would listen to the echos of the freight trains on the NH side and the VT side of the Connecticut River, debating which side of the river the train was on - depending on the sound of the clickety-clack echos. The good ole days!!! Charlie Charles B. Wright PO Box 519 Walpole, NH 03608 pontegwatrail@netzero.net

    10/13/2009 06:02:08
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT
    2. bob gillis
    3. Charles B. Wright wrote: > Thanks, Paul. > > The next thing is, it states he was: "killed by a bridge" Oct. 28, > 1872 in Fairlee, VT. The first meaning in my dictionary for by is: near, at, beside; the word derives from the Anglo Saxon be meaning beside. > > What comes to mind is, either there was a train wreck which happened > on a bridge (to be "killed by a bridge"), or he was working on > constructing a bridge and it collapsed while working on it (to be > "killed by a bridge"). This came from a family manuscript written in > 1906 and that's all it says, no mention of him "working" for the RR, > just that he was on that "Pass. RR" when he died. ??? The Passumpsic was formally the Connecticut and Passumpsic Rivers Railroad, which ran from White River Junction to Wells River to Newport VT and later to Lennoxville QC. It was leased by the Boston and Lowell in 1887 and the B&L was leased to the B&M in the same year. From the Wikipedia article on the railroad.All of the property owned by the Connecticut and Passumpsic was acquired by construction and opened for operation as follows: White River Junction to Bradford, Vt., Oct. 10, 1848 29.31 Bradford to Wells River, Vt., Nov. 6, 1848 12.07 Wells River to St. Johnsbury, Vt., Dec. 1, 1850 20.21 St. Johnsbury to Barton, Vt., December, 1857 29.36 Barton to Newport, Vt., Oct. 5, 1863 14.22 Newport, Vt., to Vermont-Canada line, May 1, 1867 5.13 Total 110.30 > > Are there any records of train accidents that include Fairlee, VT? Possibly newspaper reports fro the time. bob gillis

    10/13/2009 01:41:27
    1. [NE Railroads] Falling Off a RR Bridge
    2. Betty
    3. Hi again, I receive the "daily news" from the "Bangor Daily News" (Maine) each day in an e-mail. I was just looking for an old e-mail I needed, and found a newspaper article I had missed from September. It's about a man killed by falling off a bridge - while on his tractor. http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/122252.html?utm_source=BDN+News+Updates&utm_campaign=684fffd84c-BDN_Breaking_News_Email_Camp&utm_medium=email And that reminds me of a story I read on-line a couple years ago. A man in Canada had had too much to drink, and needed to walk home. And he had to walk over a bridge to get home. Well, he fell off the bridge and into the river, and I think it was winter. It's another way of being "killed by a bridge." Betty (near Lowell, MA)

    10/13/2009 12:02:23
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT (Comments about "commuter rails" in MA)
    2. Betty
    3. Hi Charlie, I'm up early this morning, and I'm thinking about this phrase: killed by a bridge. And, one thought is - was he killed "beside" a bridge? In Chelmsford and Tyngsboro, MA, we have RR tracks which run directly beside the Merrimack River. Right now they are only used for some freight trains. The tracks go right under the "Tyngsboro Bridge." So, if someone had a bad accident in that area, they could have been killed "beside" or "under" a bridge. Also, there was a tragic accident I think in Maine earlier this year or last year. Two teen-age girls thought they were safe when they decided to "rest" on the tracks on a bridge. They supposedly didn't think trains went down those tracks anymore. They fell asleep. Either one or both of the girls - lost their legs ! And, either in books or movies, or in the news, we hear about homeless people, or people who have had too much to drink, etc., who either walk across tracks and trip and fall, or - just decide to lay down ! That was the last time they crossed those tracks. Betty (near Lowell, MA) P.S. The tracks which run along the Merrimack River used to have the trains leaving North Station in Boston and going much north to the White Mountains, or at least that area. I took that train when I was about 18. My friends had driven to Lake Winnepesaukee for a week's vacation, but I had to work and took the train up 2 days later to join them. That was the 1960's. I don't remember when that passenger train stopped running, but it was a while ago. But, for at least 5 years people have been trying to get the tracks used again. We have the "commuter rails" which leave Boston and go out in 6 different directions. In my area, we have the MBTA / AMTRAK Boston to Lowell route. It stops in Downtown Lowell. But, people want the route to increase and get the trains to continue on the tracks up to North Chelmsford and then up to Nashua, NH. I think the project was approved but they're still trying to get the funding ! By the way, under the Tyngsboro Bridge there is a house. I'm guessing the long-abandoned house was originally either a train station or a house where people could stay for a night. I don't think people would live directly beside the track and directly under the good-size bridge. What is curious to me is that I don't see a way to get down the cliff and to the house. There must be a secret "path" that is not visible to the street. P.S.2 We drove in Littleton, MA, yesterday and got slightly lost. While trying to find the street I wanted, I drove past the old, abandoned "Littleton Train Station." The sign says it's from 1876 and is now an historical building. But, on the ground surrounding the building there are piles of "antique stoves" of different varieties, and other steel-made items. It almost seems like someone is using the building for one type of junk yard. It's something unusual to look at while driving by, but I'm surprised that the town allows the situation. (One of the "commuter rails" goes through Littleton, but where the people now get on and off there is no building.) If you go to the MBTA's web site, you can find a simple map of all the "commuter rails" in MA and which towns they go through. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles B. Wright" <pontegwatrail@netzero.net> To: <new-england-railroads@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT Thanks, Paul. The next thing is, it states he was: "killed by a bridge" Oct. 28, 1872 in Fairlee, VT. What comes to mind is, either there was a train wreck which happened on a bridge (to be "killed by a bridge"), or he was working on constructing a bridge and it collapsed while working on it (to be "killed by a bridge"). This came from a family manuscript written in 1906 and that's all it says, no mention of him "working" for the RR, just that he was on that "Pass. RR" when he died. ??? Are there any records of train accidents that include Fairlee, VT? Thanks, Charlie Charles B. Wright PO Box 519 Walpole, NH 03608 pontegwatrail@netzero.net ---------- Original Message ---------- From: <stumpie1@sbcglobal.net> To: new-england-railroads@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:21 -0700 (PDT) I first checked my 1930 Official Guide and Fairlee VT is on the Boston and Maine. But the B&M absorbed a lot of railroads in it's career from 1842 to 1995. I then looked in Bill Edson's book "Railroad Names" and couldn't find the Passumpsic Railroad, so I googled it and it looks like a tourist line. So my conclusion is that it was on the B&M or one of it's predecessors. Cheers! Paul Velltman

    10/12/2009 10:53:38
    1. Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT
    2. Charles B. Wright
    3. Thanks, Paul. The next thing is, it states he was: "killed by a bridge" Oct. 28, 1872 in Fairlee, VT. What comes to mind is, either there was a train wreck which happened on a bridge (to be "killed by a bridge"), or he was working on constructing a bridge and it collapsed while working on it (to be "killed by a bridge"). This came from a family manuscript written in 1906 and that's all it says, no mention of him "working" for the RR, just that he was on that "Pass. RR" when he died. ??? Are there any records of train accidents that include Fairlee, VT? Thanks, Charlie Charles B. Wright PO Box 519 Walpole, NH 03608 pontegwatrail@netzero.net ---------- Original Message ---------- From: <stumpie1@sbcglobal.net> To: new-england-railroads@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NE Railroads] Fairlee VT Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:21 -0700 (PDT) I first checked my 1930 Official Guide and Fairlee VT is on the Boston and Maine. But the B&M absorbed a lot of railroads in it's career from 1842 to 1995. I then looked in Bill Edson's book "Railroad Names" and couldn't find the Passumpsic Railroad, so I googled it and it looks like a tourist line. So my conclusion is that it was on the B&M or one of it's predecessors. Cheers! Paul Velltman

    10/12/2009 06:08:38