Susan, I agree, at first blush they should not be the same person. I did some research on the "rules" of the census and found that the 1850 census instructions called for the information recorded about the status of the family as of June 1 1850. The first record; 1850; Census Place: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_320; Page: 123; Image: 243 The second record 1850; Census Place: Blackstone, Worcester, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_345; Page: 351; Image: 459. taken in August 1850. IF the first household took the rules seriously and recorded Julia even though she was no longer living in the household, and IF the second enumerator wrote down the people actually in he house at the time it COULD possibly be the same family. I know one of the major genealogy rules is not to insert a family "just because they fit" so am not calling these the same person yet. But I sure would love to find some proof one way or the other. I know Julia Carl Bennett died in Woonsocket, RI as I have that death record. The family group moved across the border a number of times if one can beleive the census records that show one child born in Mass, then the next in RI, etc. I have found her husband Benjamin with his second wife in the census in Franklin, MA 1900; Census Place: Franklin, Norfolk, Massachusetts; Roll: T623 669; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 1036 His Civil War pension application record was a true breakthrough as he kindly listed the name of his first wife as Julia Carl as well as his second Almira Wales, so I could prove that the census records did indeed enumerate the same Benjamin Bennett. His obituary states that his father was also Benjamin Bennett and mother Elizabeth Robinson but they are another brick wall for another day. Sandy from Colorado -------------- Original message from "Susan Daily" <cullivans@gmail.com>: -------------- > Sandy, > You mentioned that Julia Carl is married in the 1850 census with > husband Benjamin Bennett. What town? If she is listed in that > household, then she shouldn't be the same Julia Carle in the > Northampton 1850 census that you listed before. (But I know mistakes > do occur.) > > Please let me/us know where you found her in the 1850 and 1860 census. > > Thanks, > Susan Daily > > On 4/22/07, Myrtle1893@att.net wrote: > > Recently found information on my gr gr gr grandmother and am trying to piece > together any "between the lines" information that may be in the concrete > information that I do have. I'd appreciate any help other Irish researchers may > have to offer. > > > > Name: Julia CARL > > b. abt. 11 June 1834, Northampton, Hampshire Mass [birth calculated from age > at death] [location from birth record of child] > > m. 1849/1850 location unknown [1850 census has box checked for "married within > the year"] Benjamin Knight Bennett. > > > > Other clues: > > 1850 census Northampton, Ma. > > Michael Carle 40 Laborer b. Ireland {abt 1810} > > Alice Carle 40 b. Ireland {abt 1810} > > Patrick Carle 12 b. Mass {abt 1838} > > Julia Carle 15 b. Mass {abt 1835} > > Mary Carle 7 b. Mass {abt 1843} > > Catherine Carle 4 b. Mass {abt 1846} > > Richard Carle 4 b. Mass {abt 1846} > > Richard Carlyle 80 b. Ireland {abt 1770} > > > > I checked NEHGS for any births in Northampton that may be for this family but > had no luck with that. > > I am hoping that this is her family group. Unfortunatly when she died of > consumption in Woonsocket RI on 20 may 1876, the information on the certificate > was sparse and the only information I have on parentage is the identification as > "IRISH". > > > > My questions: what wuld prompt an Irish family come to the US prior to 1835? > > Where did they go? I cannot find the family in later census records > > is the progression of the name from Caryle, to Carle, to Carl a logical one or > am I reading more into this that exists? > > > > I'd surely appreciate any help one may have to offer on ideas for further > research and places to look. > > Kind regards, > > Sandy from Colorado > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message