The web-search folks at Google have started a new service, a search of newspaper archives that goes waaaay back. Check it out at http://news.google.com/archivesearch Lots of hits for "irish immigration" Good news: the search **does** go way back, and it searches not only the usual suspects such as the NY Times and Washington Post but some surprises, including the Sandusky (Ohio) Daily Register (late 1800s) and the Daily Northwestern from Portland, Ore., (also late 1800s). The selection does include some non-US, non-English-language publications. Bad news: Many of the results point to "pay-per-view" or "subscription" services. Still, finding a missing piece of info might be worth the money. Sample prices: Boston Globe, $2.95; Washington Post (through ProQuest), $3.95 for one article, $29.95 for a "historical 25-pack: of 25 articles that apparently works as a subscription. Note that some large libraries have ProQuest available, so your Google archives search might lead you to a free or cheaper price at the library? Kind of surprising news: No ads on the results pages (at least right now). On 3/8/07, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > > Need some links to put on the New-England-Irish Mailing List webpage for > CT, MA, RI, VT and NH. > -- --- Richard Danca Newton, MA rdanca@gmail.com ------

Full title: Really Useful Sources for UK and Irish Genealogy on the Web." Plain and to the point; basically just a long Word document converted to HTML. Simple is good! http://www.mts.net/~bydesign/RUS/Guide.htm<http://www.mts.net/%7Ebydesign/RUS/Guide.htm> Thanks to Ancestry.com's free weekly newsletter for the info. On 3/8/07, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > > Need some links to put on the New-England-Irish Mailing List webpage for > CT, MA, RI, VT and NH. > -- --- Richard Danca Newton, MA rdanca@gmail.com ------

Tufts University near Boston has digitized (wow, that's an ugly word) many old city directories for Boston, Mass. The oldest seems to be 1845 and the newest is 1925. http://dca.tufts.edu/features/bostonstreets/people/directories.html -- --- Richard Danca Newton, MA rdanca@gmail.com ------

On 3/8/07, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > > This is from the Irish Heritage Newsletter, but now the way I heard > about the history of corned beef & cabbage that I always heard. > > Oops! Should have said, 'NOT' the version of history I have always heard. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

On 3/8/07, Pat Connors <nymets11@pacbell.net> wrote: > > Need some links to put on the New-England-Irish Mailing List webpage for > CT, MA, RI, VT and NH. > I forgot to say not to send to me but post to the list so others will get the info plus it will go into our list's archives. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks. I was aware that the death record had a different name for Julia's father but I've been assuming that the marriage record is more likely to be correct. Julia and Edward probably followed the traditional Irish naming practices for the children since their first born son was named John and Edward's father was John. The second born son was David which is the name of Edward's eldest brother. If Julia's father was John, they probably skipped over him and went for the eldest brother. The eldest daughter was named Mary, so this is a likely name for Julia's mother and the second daughter is Katherine which is Edward's mother's name. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:49:26 -0600 From: "Susan Daily" <cullivans@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Julia Walsh and Edward Mountain married in 1850, Pittsfield, MA To: new-england-irish@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d1ea6c980703071049n59ad14fftfc9ee8a179279071@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I had one of the death images linked, the other is not available. The maiden and married names are correct, but father's name is different. Mother's name is still unknown, so I think this is the correct woman's death record. Age is on target. Vol: 391 ; Page: 66 No. 266 14 Sep 1888 Julia Mountain Female White Married Age 60y 11m Cause of death Chronic Bronchitis Res. Pittsfield Housewife born Ireland Father Richard Walsh Mother -- Both parents born in Ireland I would look at her children's names and see if one of the firstborn males is named Richard or John, and sort of use that as an imperfect guide to what her father's first name really was. [John was listed in the marriage record.] Good luck with your searching, Susan Daily

Need some links to put on the New-England-Irish Mailing List webpage for CT, MA, RI, VT and NH. Please when contributing, put the state and links in the subject, like MA Links. Then in the subject, if you could put a short description of the link, I'll add it to the website. Thanks for the contribution. BTW, this list just got formed and listed so our membership is still small. Please pass the word that there is a list and welcome. I hope this list become informative and dynamic. Pat, list admin -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks to this month's Irish Heritage Newsletter. BOUCICAULT, DION (1820-1890), Irish actor and playwright, was born in Dublin on the 26th of December 1820, the son of a French refugee and an Irish mother. Before he was twenty he was fortunate enough to make an immediate success as a dramatist with London Assurance, produced at Covent Garden on the 4th of March, 1841, with a cast that included Charles Matthews, William Farren, Mrs. Nesbitt and Madame Vestris. In 1853 he and his wife emigrated to America. He traveled and performed widely before moving to New York City. On his return to England in 1869, he produced at the Adelphi a dramatic adaptation of Gerald Griffin's novel, The Comedians, entitled Colleen Bawn. This play, one of the most successful of modern times, was performed in almost every city in the United Kingdom and the United States, and made its author a handsome fortune, which he lost in the management of various London theatres. Boucicault's next marked success was at the Princess' theatre in 1865 with Arrah-na-Pogue, in which he played the part of a Wicklow carman. This is where the 1800 street ballad version The Wearing Of the Green is best-known. Arrah-na-Pogue won him the reputation of being the best stage Irishman of his time. In 1875 he returned to New York City and finally made his home there. He died in New York on September 18th, 1890. THE WEARING OF THE GREEN O Paddy dear, and did you hear the news that's going round? The shamrock is forbid by law to grow on Irish ground; St. Patrick's day no more we'll keep, his colours can't be seen, For there's a bloody law against the wearing of the green. I met with Napper Tandy, and he took me by the hand, And he said, "How's poor old Ireland, and how does she stand?" She's the most distressful country that ever yet was seen, They are hanging men and women for the wearing of the green. Then since the colour we must wear is England's cruel red, Sure Ireland's sons will ne'er forget the blood that they have shed. You may take the shamrock from your hat and cast it on the sod, But 'twill take root and flourish there, though under foot 'tis trod. When law can stop the blades of grass from growing as they grow, And when the leaves in summer-time their verdure dare not show, Then I will change the colour that I wear in my caubeen, But 'till that day, please God, I'll stick to wearing of the green. But if at last our colour should be torn from Ireland's heart, Her sons with shame and sorrow from the dear old isle will part; I've heard a whisper of a country that lies beyond the sea, Where rich and poor stand equal in the light of freedom's day. O Erin, must we leave you, driven by a tyrant's hand? Must we ask a mother's blessing from a strange and distant land? Where the cruel cross of England shall nevermore be seen, And where, please God, we'll live and die still wearing of the green The Irish drama Arrah Na Pogue, by E. H. House and Dion Boucicoult, featured "Wearing of the Green," as arranged by S. Behrens and sung by John Edwin McDonough in 1865. This fact has led some to give composer credit to Boucicoult. -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

This is from the Irish Heritage Newsletter, but now the way I heard about the history of corned beef & cabbage that I always heard. The History and Irish Tradition of Corned Beef There are few things better than simmering corned beef with carrots, onions, potatoes and spices. According to the US department of Agriculture Originally "Corned Beef and Cabbage" was a traditional dish served for Easter Sunday dinner in rural Ireland. The beef, because there was no refrigeration at that time was salted or brined during the winter to preserve it, It was then eaten after the long, meatless Lenten fast. However other Irish people feel that Corned Beef and cabbage is about as Irish as Spaghetti and meatballs. That beef was a real delicacy usually served only to the kings. According to Bridgett Haggerty of the website Irish Cultres and Customs she says that their research shows that most likely a "bacon joint" or a piece of salted pork boiled with cabbage and potatoes would more likely have shown up for an Easter Sunday feast in the rural parts of Ireland. Since the advent of refrigeration, the trend in Ireland is to eat fresh meats. Today this peasant dish is more popular in the United States than in Ireland. Irish-Americans and lots of other people eat it on St. Patrick's Day, Ireland's principal feast day, as a nostalgic reminder of their Irish heritage. Corning is a form of curing; it has nothing to do with corn. The name comes from Anglo-Saxon times before refrigeration. In those days, the meat was dry-cured in coarse "corns" of salt. Pellets of salt, some the size of kernels of corn, were rubbed into the beef to keep it from spoiling and to preserve it. Today brining -- the use of salt water -- has replaced the dry salt cure, but the name "corned beef" is still used, rather than "brined" or "pickled" beef. Commonly used spices that give corned beef its distinctive flavor are peppercorns and bay leaf. Of course, these spices may vary regionally. http://www.irishcultureandcustoms.com/2Kitch/aCBeefCabge.html http://www.kitchenproject.com/history/CornedBeef.htm -- Pat Connors, visiting Port Charlotte FL http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Researching Irish families in the mid-late 1800s, in particular BAKER and GRIFFIN families.

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I had one of the death images linked, the other is not available. The maiden and married names are correct, but father's name is different. Mother's name is still unknown, so I think this is the correct woman's death record. Age is on target. Vol: 391 ; Page: 66 No. 266 14 Sep 1888 Julia Mountain Female White Married Age 60y 11m Cause of death Chronic Bronchitis Res. Pittsfield Housewife born Ireland Father Richard Walsh Mother -- Both parents born in Ireland I would look at her children's names and see if one of the firstborn males is named Richard or John, and sort of use that as an imperfect guide to what her father's first name really was. [John was listed in the marriage record.] Good luck with your searching, Susan Daily On 3/7/07, Susan Daily <cullivans@gmail.com> wrote: > I located Julia Welsh in the Pittsfield 1850 Census. (The only > possible one in Berkshire County.) She was 22. Census date was 24 Sep > 1850. She was probably just a boarder in the household. Edward > Mountain was widowed by 1900, so no immigration record for her. > > I am trying to get the death images linked for her, and will let the > list know what the death record says, if it becomes available. > > Susan Daily > > On 3/7/07, Sharyn Hay <meow8@verizon.net> wrote: > > I did a quick look at Irish immigration records on Ancestry.com and found > > several who > > would fit. We need to pin down when she emigrated. What does the census say > > for her year of immigration? Do you have a specific birthdate from the 1900 > > census? I can do some further looking if you have more specific information. > > > > Regards, > > Sharyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Mountain" <d-mountain@comcast.net> > > > I'm looking for information about Julia Walsh (Welch), born about 1827 in > > > Ireland, died 14 Sep 1888 in Pittsfield, MA. She married Edward Mountain > > > 05 Oct 1850 in Pittsfield. The Massachusetts Archives marriage index lists > > > her father as John. >

I located Julia Welsh in the Pittsfield 1850 Census. (The only possible one in Berkshire County.) She was 22. Census date was 24 Sep 1850. She was probably just a boarder in the household. Edward Mountain was widowed by 1900, so no immigration record for her. I am trying to get the death images linked for her, and will let the list know what the death record says, if it becomes available. Susan Daily On 3/7/07, Sharyn Hay <meow8@verizon.net> wrote: > I did a quick look at Irish immigration records on Ancestry.com and found > several who > would fit. We need to pin down when she emigrated. What does the census say > for her year of immigration? Do you have a specific birthdate from the 1900 > census? I can do some further looking if you have more specific information. > > Regards, > Sharyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Mountain" <d-mountain@comcast.net> > > I'm looking for information about Julia Walsh (Welch), born about 1827 in > > Ireland, died 14 Sep 1888 in Pittsfield, MA. She married Edward Mountain > > 05 Oct 1850 in Pittsfield. The Massachusetts Archives marriage index lists > > her father as John.

I'm looking for information about Julia Walsh (Welch), born about 1827 in Ireland, died 14 Sep 1888 in Pittsfield, MA. She married Edward Mountain 05 Oct 1850 in Pittsfield. The Massachusetts Archives marriage index lists her father as John. I have quite a bit of information about Edward as well as the children of Edward and Julia, but very little about Julia. Any help would be appreciated.

I did a quick look at Irish immigration records on Ancestry.com and found several who would fit. We need to pin down when she emigrated. What does the census say for her year of immigration? Do you have a specific birthdate from the 1900 census? I can do some further looking if you have more specific information. Regards, Sharyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Mountain" <d-mountain@comcast.net> To: <NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Julia Walsh and Edward Mountain married in 1850,Pittsfield, MA > I'm looking for information about Julia Walsh (Welch), born about 1827 in > Ireland, died 14 Sep 1888 in Pittsfield, MA. She married Edward Mountain > 05 > Oct 1850 in Pittsfield. The Massachusetts Archives marriage index lists > her > father as John. > > > > I have quite a bit of information about Edward as well as the children of > Edward and Julia, but very little about Julia. Any help would be > appreciated. >

Just for today, Tuesday, March 6, 2007, from now until 9pm PST I am offering to do lookups in the following books as long as you provide what you can of (1) full name (2) birth year (3) County in Ireland and/or departure port (4) destination in USA or arrival port. Note that there is no coverage in this offer from 1806-1847 and none after 1852. Irish Passenger Lists 1803-1806 by Brian Mitchell Emigrants from Ireland 1847-1852 by Eilish Ellis (only has those whose emigration was sponsored by an estate in Ireland) Ireland: 1841-1851 Census Abstracts (Republic of Ireland) by Josephine Masterson (only fragments remain of these census years) Regards, Sharyn McGlinchey Hay

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