Maybe this will help also... http://dca.tufts.edu/features/bostonstreets/people/directories.html#browse ----- Original Message ----- From: <Abl0nd2nd@aol.com> To: <NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Boston, MA city directories > Maybe this can help you. > > www.distantcousin.com/directories/ma/boston.html > > Lois > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

thanks, Joan. I'll try them...Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dasmi1170@aol.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Ma Public LibrariesRe: REILLY/REILEY/RILEY > Hello, > > A couple of sites to look into: > > _http://www.247ref.org/portal/access3.cfm?lib=bostonpublic_ > (http://www.247ref.org/portal/access3.cfm?lib=bostonpublic) Boston > Public Library > > _http://www.publiclibraries.com/massachusetts.htm_ > (http://www.publiclibraries.com/massachusetts.htm) Libraries of > Massachusetts > > Joan > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, A couple of sites to look into: _http://www.247ref.org/portal/access3.cfm?lib=bostonpublic_ (http://www.247ref.org/portal/access3.cfm?lib=bostonpublic) Boston Public Library _http://www.publiclibraries.com/massachusetts.htm_ (http://www.publiclibraries.com/massachusetts.htm) Libraries of Massachusetts Joan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Maybe this can help you. www.distantcousin.com/directories/ma/boston.html Lois ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

thanks, Susan, I'll try that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Daily" <cullivans@gmail.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] REILLY/REILEY/RILEY > Hi Carol, > Many public libraries in Massachusetts (and other states, I would > guess) will look up directory information and send it to you. Some do > it for free and some ask for a small donation. You can use Google to > search for the public library in the towns that are of interest to > you. Most have an email address to contact the Reference Librarian > directly. Search their web sites to see what their town history or > genealogical holdings are that they have, first, if you can. > > Susan Daily > > On 4/23/07, CAROL RILEY <car73@verizon.net> wrote: >> can't find many directories online - guess I need to make a trip to MA. >> Plus >> since I live out of state I don't believe I can get a Boston Public >> Library >> card to use their online resources...? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> >> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] REILLY/REILEY/RILEY >> >> >> > Have you tried tracking them through city directories? Many time they >> > gave >> > date of death in the year after they died. >> > >> > >> > looking for deaths of William J and Mary Ann (Devlin) Reilly, >> >> residing in Medford, MA in 1880 according to census. They were married >> >> in >> >> Arlington, MA in 1873. He born in Pennsylvania, she in MA; parents of >> >> both >> >> born in Ireland. >> >> >> >> >> > -- >> > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >> > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >> > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> > Check out the NE-Irish website: >> > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> Check out the NE-Irish website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan, I agree, at first blush they should not be the same person. I did some research on the "rules" of the census and found that the 1850 census instructions called for the information recorded about the status of the family as of June 1 1850. The first record; 1850; Census Place: Northampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_320; Page: 123; Image: 243 The second record 1850; Census Place: Blackstone, Worcester, Massachusetts; Roll: M432_345; Page: 351; Image: 459. taken in August 1850. IF the first household took the rules seriously and recorded Julia even though she was no longer living in the household, and IF the second enumerator wrote down the people actually in he house at the time it COULD possibly be the same family. I know one of the major genealogy rules is not to insert a family "just because they fit" so am not calling these the same person yet. But I sure would love to find some proof one way or the other. I know Julia Carl Bennett died in Woonsocket, RI as I have that death record. The family group moved across the border a number of times if one can beleive the census records that show one child born in Mass, then the next in RI, etc. I have found her husband Benjamin with his second wife in the census in Franklin, MA 1900; Census Place: Franklin, Norfolk, Massachusetts; Roll: T623 669; Page: 11B; Enumeration District: 1036 His Civil War pension application record was a true breakthrough as he kindly listed the name of his first wife as Julia Carl as well as his second Almira Wales, so I could prove that the census records did indeed enumerate the same Benjamin Bennett. His obituary states that his father was also Benjamin Bennett and mother Elizabeth Robinson but they are another brick wall for another day. Sandy from Colorado -------------- Original message from "Susan Daily" <cullivans@gmail.com>: -------------- > Sandy, > You mentioned that Julia Carl is married in the 1850 census with > husband Benjamin Bennett. What town? If she is listed in that > household, then she shouldn't be the same Julia Carle in the > Northampton 1850 census that you listed before. (But I know mistakes > do occur.) > > Please let me/us know where you found her in the 1850 and 1860 census. > > Thanks, > Susan Daily > > On 4/22/07, Myrtle1893@att.net wrote: > > Recently found information on my gr gr gr grandmother and am trying to piece > together any "between the lines" information that may be in the concrete > information that I do have. I'd appreciate any help other Irish researchers may > have to offer. > > > > Name: Julia CARL > > b. abt. 11 June 1834, Northampton, Hampshire Mass [birth calculated from age > at death] [location from birth record of child] > > m. 1849/1850 location unknown [1850 census has box checked for "married within > the year"] Benjamin Knight Bennett. > > > > Other clues: > > 1850 census Northampton, Ma. > > Michael Carle 40 Laborer b. Ireland {abt 1810} > > Alice Carle 40 b. Ireland {abt 1810} > > Patrick Carle 12 b. Mass {abt 1838} > > Julia Carle 15 b. Mass {abt 1835} > > Mary Carle 7 b. Mass {abt 1843} > > Catherine Carle 4 b. Mass {abt 1846} > > Richard Carle 4 b. Mass {abt 1846} > > Richard Carlyle 80 b. Ireland {abt 1770} > > > > I checked NEHGS for any births in Northampton that may be for this family but > had no luck with that. > > I am hoping that this is her family group. Unfortunatly when she died of > consumption in Woonsocket RI on 20 may 1876, the information on the certificate > was sparse and the only information I have on parentage is the identification as > "IRISH". > > > > My questions: what wuld prompt an Irish family come to the US prior to 1835? > > Where did they go? I cannot find the family in later census records > > is the progression of the name from Caryle, to Carle, to Carl a logical one or > am I reading more into this that exists? > > > > I'd surely appreciate any help one may have to offer on ideas for further > research and places to look. > > Kind regards, > > Sandy from Colorado > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did get some new data today so I'm sending you an update on what I have, any confirmation or additional data would be helpful: Descendants of Thomas Carnes Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 CARNES was born in Ireland, and died Bef. 1880 in Boston, MA. He married MARGARET CAMPBELL, daughter of JOHN CAMPBELL and ELIZABETH. She was born 1814 in Ireland, and died September 17, 1882. Children of THOMAS CARNES and MARGARET CAMPBELL are: 2. i. MARGARET2 CARNES, b. May 1840, Ireland. (Massachusetts?) 3. ii. ELIZABETH CARNES, b. 1846, Ireland. (Massachusetts?) 4. iii. ANNE F. CARNES, b. July 1860, Ireland (Massachusetts?); d. Massachusetts. Note - 1900 US Census data states they were born in Massachusetts - however 1880 US Census data states Ireland. I have a Marrige certificate for Elizabet Carns & George Brown that states they were both born in Ireland. Generation No. 2 2. MARGARET2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born May 1840 in Ireland. Child of MARGARET CARNES is: i. MARGARET J.3 CARNES, b. August 1873, Massachusetts. 3. ELIZABETH2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1846 in Ireland. She married GEORGE BROWN January 23, 1869 in Boston, MA, son of GEORGE BROWN and MARY. He was born 1846 in Ireland. Children of ELIZABETH CARNES and GEORGE BROWN are: i. MARY LOUISA3 BROWN, b. September 10, 1870, Boston, Massachusetts. ii. FREDRICK E. BROWN, b. Abt. 1877, Boston, Massachusetts; d. Boston, Massachusetts; m. ALICE JUDGE, July 15, 1905, Boston, Massachusetts; b. 1883, Boston, Massachusetts; d. December 5, 1911, Boston, Massachusetts. iii. ANNIE FRANCES BROWN, b. January 29, 1880, Boston, Massachusetts. 4. ANNE F.2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born July 1860 in Ireland, and died in Massachusetts. She married THOMAS R. BEVINS September 24, 1884 in Massachusetts, son of JOHN BEVINS and MARTHA. He was born Abt. 1860 in Ireland, and died in Massachusetts. Child of ANNE CARNES and THOMAS BEVINS is: i. EDITH W.3 BEVINS, b. August 1890, Boston, MA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Richart" <srichart4@gmail.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - Bevins of South Boston. > Bill, > I have absolutely no time this week to look, but will check the Boston > City > Directories and the MVR death index for Thomas Carnes next week or the > week > after. > > Sue Richart > > > > > On 4/23/07, gclarke688@aol.com <> wrote: >> >> I couldn't find a death record for Thomas Carnes. >> >> >From the Massachusetts Vital Records >> >> Boston, Vol. 339, Pg. 240d. 17 September 1882, Margaret (Campbell) >> Carnes, >> widow, 70, died of Soft (sic) of the Brain, residence & died at 242 >> Bolton >> St., b. Ireland of John & Elizabeth. >> >> Boston, Vol. 225, Pg. 78 >> b. 10 September 1870, Mary Louisa Brown, 22 East St., of George & >> Elizabeth, Confectioner, Both b. Ireland. >> >> Boston, Vol. 315, Pg. 149 >> b. 29 January 1880, Annie Frances Brown, 242 Bolton St., of George & >> Elizabeth, Laborer, Both b. Ireland. >> >> The page for Frederick Brown was illegible. >> >> Geri >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wfodab163@verizon.net >> To: NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:50 AM >> Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - >> Bevins of South Boston. >> >> >> Seeking information about the Carnes (Carns) family. Thomas Carnes & his >> wife >> Margaret (?) were born in Ireland. In the 1880 US Census Margaret Carnes >> was >> living at 238 Bolton Street in South Boston, MA and stated he was a >> widow. With >> her was her 3 daughters and a granddaughter. I have found a record of an >> Annie >> F. Carns married to a Thomas R. Bevins - with a daughter named Edith W. >> Bevins, >> living in South Boston, living with them was her sister Margaret and >> Margaret's >> daughter, Margaret J. Carnes. Any help in finding information about this >> family >> is appreciated. >> >> Here is an outline of the Carnes family: >> >> Descendants of Thomas Carnes >> >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> >> 1. THOMAS1 CARNES was born in Ireland, and died Bef. 1880 in Boston, MA >> (?). He >> married MARGARET (?). She was born 1814 in Ireland. >> >> >> Children of THOMAS CARNES and MARGARET are: >> >> 2. i. ELIZABETH2 CARNES, b. 1846, Ireland. >> >> 3. ii. MARGARET CARNES, b. 1850, Ireland. >> >> iii. ANNE CARNES, b. 1858, Ireland. - did she marry Thomas R. Bevins and >> did >> they have a daughter named Edith W. Bevins ? >> >> >> >> Generation No. 2 >> >> >> 2. ELIZABETH2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1846 in Ireland. She married >> GEORGE >> BROWN January 23, 1869 in Boston, MA, son of GEORGE BROWN and MARY. He >> was >> born >> 1846 in Ireland. >> >> >> Children of ELIZABETH CARNES and GEORGE BROWN are: >> >> i. MARY L.3 BROWN, b. Abt. 1870, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> ii. FREDRICK E. BROWN, b. Abt. 1877, Boston, Massachusetts; d. Boston, >> Massachusetts; m. ALICE JUDGE, July 15, 1905, Boston, Massachusetts; b. >> 1883, >> Boston, Massachusetts; d. December 5, 1911, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> iii. ANNIE F. BROWN, b. January 1880, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> >> >> 3. MARGARET2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1850 in Ireland. >> >> >> Child of MARGARET CARNES is: >> >> i. MARGARET J.3 CARNES, b. Abt. 1871, Massachusetts. >> ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> Check out the NE-Irish website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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I read somewhere that they paid a 'head tax' (the landlord) and that you are correct. It was cheaper to ship them out to anywhere rather than pay the tax. I understand this also happened in Scotland. Cynthia Kay Stanton <kay-stanton@cfl.rr.com> wrote: FROM THINGS THAT I'VE READ, IT SEEMS THAT WHEN THE ENGLISH LANDLORD "HELPED" THE TENANT WITH PASSAGE (AT LEAST DURING THE FAMINE), - IT WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT TENANT AND IT WAS CHEAPER TO SEND HIM TO AMERICA! CAN ANYONE CONFIRM THAT? AL? CAN YOU CONFIRM? INCIDENTALLY, HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU IN A LONG TIME. HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. KAY STANTON DAYTONA BEACH, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] pre-1835 Irish migration > Thank you for sharing the reasons your family left Ireland and the other > information like a landowner "helping" a tenant with passage. It adds > more depth to the story for me. > > Sandy > > -------------- Original message from AlRose509@aol.com: -------------- > > >> In a message dated 23-Apr-2007 12:57:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, >> Cothulio@cs.com writes: >> >> My questions: what wuld prompt an Irish family come to the US prior to >> 1835? >> ============== >> My Irish Catholic MARTIN family (a grandfather along with his adult >> married >> children and their families) came from southern County Monaghan to Boston >> MA in >> 1823. The explanation is that they had put up with oppressive ethnic >> extermination long enough. Some with the means to do so left for better >> opprtunities. >> Also, there were incentives for some landlords to pay partial passage for >> tenants to leave. >> >> Anyone with MARTIN, McMAHON, McCLEY, FERRIN, LYONS, McDERRMOTT, LONG, or >> McCULPHER/McCULLOUGH from southern County Monaghan or parish of Killanny >> in >> County >> Monaghan or Louth should take a look at my worldconnect file. >> >> _http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~butchrose_ >> (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~butchrose) >> >> Al Rose >> Fayettville, NC >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> Check out the NE-Irish website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== Check out the NE-Irish website: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.

Thank you for that. ============== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Richart" <srichart4@gmail.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - Bevins of South Boston. > Bill, > I have absolutely no time this week to look, but will check the Boston > City > Directories and the MVR death index for Thomas Carnes next week or the > week > after. > > Sue Richart > > > > > On 4/23/07, gclarke688@aol.com <> wrote: >> >> I couldn't find a death record for Thomas Carnes. >> >> >From the Massachusetts Vital Records >> >> Boston, Vol. 339, Pg. 240d. 17 September 1882, Margaret (Campbell) >> Carnes, >> widow, 70, died of Soft (sic) of the Brain, residence & died at 242 >> Bolton >> St., b. Ireland of John & Elizabeth. >> >> Boston, Vol. 225, Pg. 78 >> b. 10 September 1870, Mary Louisa Brown, 22 East St., of George & >> Elizabeth, Confectioner, Both b. Ireland. >> >> Boston, Vol. 315, Pg. 149 >> b. 29 January 1880, Annie Frances Brown, 242 Bolton St., of George & >> Elizabeth, Laborer, Both b. Ireland. >> >> The page for Frederick Brown was illegible. >> >> Geri >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wfodab163@verizon.net >> To: NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:50 AM >> Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - >> Bevins of South Boston. >> >> >> Seeking information about the Carnes (Carns) family. Thomas Carnes & his >> wife >> Margaret (?) were born in Ireland. In the 1880 US Census Margaret Carnes >> was >> living at 238 Bolton Street in South Boston, MA and stated he was a >> widow. With >> her was her 3 daughters and a granddaughter. I have found a record of an >> Annie >> F. Carns married to a Thomas R. Bevins - with a daughter named Edith W. >> Bevins, >> living in South Boston, living with them was her sister Margaret and >> Margaret's >> daughter, Margaret J. Carnes. Any help in finding information about this >> family >> is appreciated. >> >> Here is an outline of the Carnes family: >> >> Descendants of Thomas Carnes >> >> >> Generation No. 1 >> >> >> 1. THOMAS1 CARNES was born in Ireland, and died Bef. 1880 in Boston, MA >> (?). He >> married MARGARET (?). She was born 1814 in Ireland. >> >> >> Children of THOMAS CARNES and MARGARET are: >> >> 2. i. ELIZABETH2 CARNES, b. 1846, Ireland. >> >> 3. ii. MARGARET CARNES, b. 1850, Ireland. >> >> iii. ANNE CARNES, b. 1858, Ireland. - did she marry Thomas R. Bevins and >> did >> they have a daughter named Edith W. Bevins ? >> >> >> >> Generation No. 2 >> >> >> 2. ELIZABETH2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1846 in Ireland. She married >> GEORGE >> BROWN January 23, 1869 in Boston, MA, son of GEORGE BROWN and MARY. He >> was >> born >> 1846 in Ireland. >> >> >> Children of ELIZABETH CARNES and GEORGE BROWN are: >> >> i. MARY L.3 BROWN, b. Abt. 1870, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> ii. FREDRICK E. BROWN, b. Abt. 1877, Boston, Massachusetts; d. Boston, >> Massachusetts; m. ALICE JUDGE, July 15, 1905, Boston, Massachusetts; b. >> 1883, >> Boston, Massachusetts; d. December 5, 1911, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> iii. ANNIE F. BROWN, b. January 1880, Boston, Massachusetts. >> >> >> >> 3. MARGARET2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1850 in Ireland. >> >> >> Child of MARGARET CARNES is: >> >> i. MARGARET J.3 CARNES, b. Abt. 1871, Massachusetts. >> ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> Check out the NE-Irish website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >> from AOL at AOL.com. >> ====New England Irish Mailing List==== >> Check out the NE-Irish website: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Thomas Carnes may have died prior to the family arriving in the USA. Thank you very much for the help. ================ ----- Original Message ----- From: <gclarke688@aol.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - Bevins of South Boston. >I couldn't find a death record for Thomas Carnes. > >>From the Massachusetts Vital Records > > Boston, Vol. 339, Pg. 240d. 17 September 1882, Margaret (Campbell) Carnes, > widow, 70, died of Soft (sic) of the Brain, residence & died at 242 Bolton > St., b. Ireland of John & Elizabeth. > > Boston, Vol. 225, Pg. 78 > b. 10 September 1870, Mary Louisa Brown, 22 East St., of George & > Elizabeth, Confectioner, Both b. Ireland. > > Boston, Vol. 315, Pg. 149 > b. 29 January 1880, Annie Frances Brown, 242 Bolton St., of George & > Elizabeth, Laborer, Both b. Ireland. > > The page for Frederick Brown was illegible. > > Geri > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wfodab163@verizon.net > To: NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:50 AM > Subject: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] Carnes (Carns) Family of South Boston - > Bevins of South Boston. > > > Seeking information about the Carnes (Carns) family. Thomas Carnes & his > wife > Margaret (?) were born in Ireland. In the 1880 US Census Margaret Carnes > was > living at 238 Bolton Street in South Boston, MA and stated he was a widow. > With > her was her 3 daughters and a granddaughter. I have found a record of an > Annie > F. Carns married to a Thomas R. Bevins - with a daughter named Edith W. > Bevins, > living in South Boston, living with them was her sister Margaret and > Margaret's > daughter, Margaret J. Carnes. Any help in finding information about this > family > is appreciated. > > Here is an outline of the Carnes family: > > Descendants of Thomas Carnes > > > Generation No. 1 > > > 1. THOMAS1 CARNES was born in Ireland, and died Bef. 1880 in Boston, MA > (?). He > married MARGARET (?). She was born 1814 in Ireland. > > > Children of THOMAS CARNES and MARGARET are: > > 2. i. ELIZABETH2 CARNES, b. 1846, Ireland. > > 3. ii. MARGARET CARNES, b. 1850, Ireland. > > iii. ANNE CARNES, b. 1858, Ireland. - did she marry Thomas R. Bevins and > did > they have a daughter named Edith W. Bevins ? > > > > Generation No. 2 > > > 2. ELIZABETH2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1846 in Ireland. She married > GEORGE > BROWN January 23, 1869 in Boston, MA, son of GEORGE BROWN and MARY. He was > born > 1846 in Ireland. > > > Children of ELIZABETH CARNES and GEORGE BROWN are: > > i. MARY L.3 BROWN, b. Abt. 1870, Boston, Massachusetts. > > ii. FREDRICK E. BROWN, b. Abt. 1877, Boston, Massachusetts; d. Boston, > Massachusetts; m. ALICE JUDGE, July 15, 1905, Boston, Massachusetts; b. > 1883, > Boston, Massachusetts; d. December 5, 1911, Boston, Massachusetts. > > iii. ANNIE F. BROWN, b. January 1880, Boston, Massachusetts. > > > > 3. MARGARET2 CARNES (THOMAS1) was born 1850 in Ireland. > > > Child of MARGARET CARNES is: > > i. MARGARET J.3 CARNES, b. Abt. 1871, Massachusetts. > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for sharing the reasons your family left Ireland and the other information like a landowner "helping" a tenant with passage. It adds more depth to the story for me. Sandy -------------- Original message from AlRose509@aol.com: -------------- > In a message dated 23-Apr-2007 12:57:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > Cothulio@cs.com writes: > > My questions: what wuld prompt an Irish family come to the US prior to 1835? > ============== > My Irish Catholic MARTIN family (a grandfather along with his adult married > children and their families) came from southern County Monaghan to Boston MA in > 1823. The explanation is that they had put up with oppressive ethnic > extermination long enough. Some with the means to do so left for better > opprtunities. > Also, there were incentives for some landlords to pay partial passage for > tenants to leave. > > Anyone with MARTIN, McMAHON, McCLEY, FERRIN, LYONS, McDERRMOTT, LONG, or > McCULPHER/McCULLOUGH from southern County Monaghan or parish of Killanny in > County > Monaghan or Louth should take a look at my worldconnect file. > > _http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~butchrose_ > (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/~butchrose) > > Al Rose > Fayettville, NC > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

can't find many directories online - guess I need to make a trip to MA. Plus since I live out of state I don't believe I can get a Boston Public Library card to use their online resources...? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] REILLY/REILEY/RILEY > Have you tried tracking them through city directories? Many time they > gave > date of death in the year after they died. > > > looking for deaths of William J and Mary Ann (Devlin) Reilly, >> residing in Medford, MA in 1880 according to census. They were married in >> Arlington, MA in 1873. He born in Pennsylvania, she in MA; parents of >> both >> born in Ireland. >> >> > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, Many public libraries in Massachusetts (and other states, I would guess) will look up directory information and send it to you. Some do it for free and some ask for a small donation. You can use Google to search for the public library in the towns that are of interest to you. Most have an email address to contact the Reference Librarian directly. Search their web sites to see what their town history or genealogical holdings are that they have, first, if you can. Susan Daily On 4/23/07, CAROL RILEY <car73@verizon.net> wrote: > can't find many directories online - guess I need to make a trip to MA. Plus > since I live out of state I don't believe I can get a Boston Public Library > card to use their online resources...? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> > To: <new-england-irish@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:46 PM > Subject: Re: [NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH] REILLY/REILEY/RILEY > > > > Have you tried tracking them through city directories? Many time they > > gave > > date of death in the year after they died. > > > > > > looking for deaths of William J and Mary Ann (Devlin) Reilly, > >> residing in Medford, MA in 1880 according to census. They were married in > >> Arlington, MA in 1873. He born in Pennsylvania, she in MA; parents of > >> both > >> born in Ireland. > >> > >> > > -- > > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > > Check out the NE-Irish website: > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ====New England Irish Mailing List==== > Check out the NE-Irish website: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NEIrish/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NEW-ENGLAND-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From the Irish Newsletter's, Women of Irish Series *Maureen O'Hara* MAUREEN FITZSIMONS was born the second of six children to Charles and Marguerite FitzSimons on August 17, 1920 near Dublin, Ireland. Though tomboyish as a youngster, she eventually developed an interest in acting and as a teenager auditioned for the Abbey Theatre School. After Alfred Hitchcock gave her a role in JAMAICA INN (1939) with Charles Laughton, the English actor claimed to "discover" her. Laughton had gone to America in 1931 and signed a movie contract with RKO Pictures where he was about to star as Quasimodo in THE HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME (1939). He brought Maureen back to the states with him to play his Esmeralda in the film and changed her name to O'Hara. HUNCHBACK became her American film debut, RKO signed her, and she never looked back. After a few unremarkable films, in 1941 she was cast in John Ford's film adaptation of the Richard Llewellyn novel HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY about a Welsh family in a 19th century mining town struggling to hold onto their way of life in the face of labor unrest and the Industrial Revolution. The picture, also starring Walter Pidgeon, Donald Crisp, Sara Allgood, Roddy McDowall and Anna Lee, won the Oscar for Best Picture of the year, and anyone who had failed to notice her in HUNCHBACK could not have been so oblivious to her remarkable beauty and screen persona this time. HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY was followed by a number of 1940s adventure films and swashbucklers like THE BLACK SWAN (1942) and THE SPANISH MAIN (1945), many of which were shot in Technicolor and magnificently highlighted O'Hara's red hair and green eyes to such an extent she was dubbed the "Queen of Technicolor." Another notable film of the ‘40s was the now-classic Christmas film MIRACLE ON 34TH STREET (1947) featuring O'Hara as a successful business woman who is bowled over when she hires a department store Santa who really believes he's Kris Kringle. In 1950, John Ford first paired O'Hara with a co-star for his film RIO GRANDE who would change the direction of her career-- John Wayne. The two became fast friends and went on to make four more films together, the most notable being Ford's THE QUIET MAN (1952) as well as the western comedy MCLINTOCK! (1963), and O'Hara became known as the leading lady who gave Wayne his sex appeal. Her characters were frequently cantankerous to say the least, and whether she won Wayne or he won her in the end, it was always a good show. In the 1960s, O'Hara began to take on more mature roles-- at least as far as the age of her characters was concerned. She played a divorced mother reconciled to her ex-husband by the plotting of her two twin daughters (played by Hayley Mills) in Disney's THE PARENT TRAP (1961) and wife to Jimmy Stewart as he tried to spend a relaxing summer at the beach in MR. HOBBS TAKES A VACATION (1962). In real life, O'Hara was married twice and had a daughter named Bronwyn (after Anna Lee's character in HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY) before she met and married aviator Charles Blair in 1968. After two more films, O'Hara retired from the big screen in 1971 to be a full-time wife and mother, and after Blair was killed in a plane crash in 1978, she continued to manage his commuter airline business, Antilles Air Boats, in the U.S. Virgin Islands. In 1991, O'Hara made a brief return to the screen as John Candy's mother in ONLY THE LONELY and starred in a TV movie called "The Christmas Box" in 1995 as well as another TV movie, "Cab to Canada," which aired on CBS in 1998. Aside from these occasional roles, she is currently living out her retirement between homes in St. Croix, New York, Los Angeles and her native Ireland. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Arlene, Have you looked up all of the cousin's possible records? Or people who have traveled to visit and stay with the cousin? Her roots will be the same as Margaret's, more than likely. Have you looked up each child's birth record, for your Margaret and for the cousin? Birth places might be mentioned for the mothers, if you are lucky. Did her death record say she was born in County Cork or in Dublin or just Ireland? Have you visited the free Castle Garden web site to search for Margaret and the cousin in the passenger lists? Do you have access to Ancestry.com, and have you looked at the passenger lists there? We'll keep chipping away at it! Susan On 4/23/07, Arlene Haddock <mahaddock@yahoo.com> wrote: > Update to first email. > > Thanks for the response and comments. I went back and > searched all the records that I have. I have all the > census records so do not need them. > > >From a marriage record 22 March 1858 at the age of 18: > She was born in Cork, Ireland. Her parents were > Patrick and Catherine Connell. > > Calculated from her death record of 30 Aug 1885, she > was born 30 Aug 1839. > > If she left Ireland at age 16 or 17, she would have > left in 1855 or 1856. > > Margaret came into the state of R.I. and worked as a > domestic. I don't think she did this for long before > she married. Her cousin stayed in Boston, MA. > > It is possible that her father Patrick came to R.I., > as a man named Patrick CONNOR by state census record > of 1865 is living with them at one point but is not > listed on any other census record for them. He was > 48. I hope this helps. > --- Arlene Haddock <mahaddock@yahoo.com> wrote: > > My great grandmother left Ireland with a cousin, > > probably from the port of Cork. It is said she was > > born and lived in Dublin. They probably came to the > > Port of Boston. I have not been able to find a ship > > that she could have come on. > > > > Margaret married Nathaniel Sherman Northup(1831 - > > 1894). > > > > Margaret O'Connell was born in 1838 and died 1880.

Thanks to the Irish Heritage Newsletter The Battle of Clontarf The Battle of Clontarf took place outside the town of Dublin on Good Friday, 1014. The combatants were led on one side by Brian Boru, then high-king of Ireland, and on the other by the Vikings of Dublin, supported by some of the Leinster Irish and also by Vikings England, Scotland, the Isle of man, France and the Orkney Islands. Brian Boru Brian Boru was a native of Co Clare, and belonged to the Royal house of Thomond. From his early youth he led his followers against the Vikings, who at that time controlled large coastal areas around Ireland. He defeated them in several battles and eventually succeeded in clearing the Vikings from Munster. When his older brother, Mahon, was murdered in 976, Brian Boru became King of Munster. In 1002 he became King of Ireland and his main goal from then on was to clear the Vikings from the whole country. He eventually forced them to a massed battle on Good Friday, 1014. Some accounts say that this battle took place as a result of a dispute over a game of chess with the King of Leinster. The Battle Brian brought his army across North Dublin, into the vicinity of Glasnevin, Drumcondra, and Santry. He was joined by the Ulster Irish and several other Irish chiefs from the West as well as a contingent of Scottish Gaels. He was also joined at the battlefield by the King of Meath, which was a separate province at the time. However, the Meath men took no part in the battle. The Vikings and their reinforcements prepared themselves along the coast between Dublin and Clontarf. Much of the land that is today around Clontarf and Fairview was reclaimed from the sea in more recent times, and it is likely that the main fighting took place nearer to what is now Glasnevin and Drumcondra, about 2-3 kilometres from the current coastline. Brian was an old man by this time, probably well into his seventies, and his chiefs persuaded him to take no active part in the battle. He remained in his tent behind the Irish lines. His 30,000 strong army was commanded by his eldest son. The number on the opposing side is not known but it is likely to have been of about the same magnitude. The fighting began in the morning and raged for most of the day. There were heavy losses on both sides, but towards evening the Irish forces gained the upper hand and eventually completely routed the Vikings. Many of the Vikings fled into the sea at Clontarf. However, other groups were cut off by the advancing Irish and they scattered in all directions. One of these groups headed West and ended up fleeing past the Irish encampment, where they came across King Brian. A short struggle ended in the death of both Brian and two of his attackers. The victorious Irish troops returned to find their King lying dead in his tent. They bore him from the field along the North road, towards Armagh, where at his own request the great King was laid to rest. Outcome Although the Irish won this great battle, there was a high price to pay. The High-King and his eldest son were dead and so were many of the chieftains who had supported them. The power vacuum led to a series of wars between the various kingships, which eventually led, 150 years later, to the invasion of the Normans and the beginning of English involvement in Ireland. The Battle of Clontarf was one of the biggest battles of its time and resulted in the defeat of the Viking armies. As a result the iron grip of the Vikings, which had controlled North Western Europe for centuries, began to wane. Over the next fifty years, they were pushed further back towards their homelands in Norway and Denmark by other tribes (including the Normans who were themselves in part descended from the Vikings). It is clear, therefore, that the Battle of Clontarf played a major part in ending the power of the Vikings forever. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Well, I guess I forgot to remove the embedded hypertext links. ------------------- THE PERIOD OF THE PENAL LAWS 1695-1829. >From A Concise History of Ireland by P. W. Joyce BEFORE the year 1695 there were many penal enactments against Irish Catholics; but they were intermittent and not persistently carried out. But after that date they were, for nearly a century, systematic and continuous, and as far as possible enforced. Accordingly this Period is especially distinguished as the Period of the Penal Laws. These laws were the work of the governing classes; the great body of the English people, whether in England or Ireland, had no hand in them. And as in 1641 Catholics saved many of the settlers from destruction, numberless instances are recorded where Catholics were protected from the operation of the laws by the pitying kindness of their Protestant neighbours. In many instances the laws could not be carried out, partly on account of their excessive severity, and partly from the passive resistance of the general body of Protestants. Towards the close of the eighteenth century the penal code was gradually relaxed; and, except in a few particulars the Emancipation act of 1829 put an end to the penal enactments against Catholics. see this URL: http://www.libraryireland.com/ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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In a message dated 23-Apr-2007 11:26:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, kay-stanton@cfl.rr.com writes: AL? CAN YOU CONFIRM? INCIDENTALLY, HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU IN A LONG TIME. HOPE YOU'RE DOING WELL. KAY STANTON -------------------------- The poor laws created a burden for landlords. The attempt to make the system in place in England & Wales work identically in Ireland met with just criticism. The causes were not the same ... solution could not be the same. See this link: _http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.html_ (http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/index.html) It is not exactley what I was looking for but I will look for more. Doing OK, Kay. Just about to leave for one of my contract jobs in Carlisle, PA for a few weeks. Al Rose Fayetteville, NC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I found this in New England Historical Genealogical Society. Massachusetts Vital Records - Marriages Volume 354 Page 147 Thomas Bevans - Boston Born - Ireland Age - 24 Occupation - painter Father - John Mother - Martha Married 24 September 1884 Annie F. Carnes - Boston Born - Ireland Age - 24 Father - Thomas Mother - Margaret. I couldn't find anything on Edith. Helen Coughlin Manchester, NH ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.