Paddy and others, If you think that your Maryland Burns might actually be Barnes/Barns, I would recommend contacting Robert Barnes. He has published several books on MD genealogy and, of course, is a Barnes. I'm guessing that you can contact him at [email protected] or (410)260-6410. If that doesn't work, let me know and I'll track him down for you. Peter ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: NEVILLE-D Digest V99 #74 Author: <[email protected]> at SMTP-GATEWAY Date: 3/23/99 8:23 PM X-Message: #8 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:05:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jan & David Faulkner <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NEVILLE-L] John NEVILL of Harford & Mrs. Burns (2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peter and Paddy, I have the following from notes Shriley made on the Harford Co. Nevills: Census of 1776 for Caroline, Dorchester, Harford, Queen Anne & Talbot Cos. [handwritten] p. 72 Bush River Harford Co., 1776 Mathew Burris ae 60 Mary Barns ae 41 Ruth Nevel ae 10 John Nevel ae 7 The above census information is about the same people in the Brumbaugh census: Brumbaugh, Gais Marcus. Maryland Recores. Lancaster Pa. Lancaster Press, Inc. Vol. 2. 1828. indexed p. 171 1776 Harford Lower Hundred, Harford Co. Burns, Mathew (tax), 60 Mary, 41 NEVEL, Ruth, 10 NEVEL, John, 7 Shirley also made notes on Dublin Methodist Cemetery in Harford Co. Both Neville and Barns are buried in the cemeter. The Nevilles buried in the cemetery are as follows: John Neville, son of D. and Ann Taylor, Jan. 19, 1845 - July 8, 1854 George B. Neville, Dec. 30, 1830 - March 4, 1862 S. N. ??? William Neville, Jan. 7, 1783 - Oct. 28. 1822 Cassandra Neville, March 12, 1786 - April 10, 1855 M. A. Nevill, de this L in August AD 1828 E.M.N. John Neville, June 26, 1787 - Sept. 26, 1861 Elizabeth A. Neville, Jan. 18, 1797 - Dec. 8, 1873 The Barns buried in the cemetery (in same section as Nevilles) are as follows: Hiram Barns (marker 26) John A. Barns (GAR marker) Frances Barns (GAR marker) Thomas Barns, Defender of Baltimore in 1812 While Matthew might have been a Burris or a Burns, I wonder if Barns/Barnes would be the correct transcription for him, as well as for Mary? Jan At 11:04 AM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote: > Paddy and others, > > I could swear that I once collected a record of a Ruth Nevil and some other > Neville being orphans and adopted by someone. I'll check my stack of less > organized records and see what I can find. > > As for the 1790 Census, there is no record of a Mary Burns or a Mathew > Burns in Maryland. > > There is a Mathew Barnes in Charles Co (3 white males 16+, 1 white male > under 16, 5 white females and 2 slaves). I don't know how good a candidate > he would be. > > There are three records for Mary Burns in Pennsylvania: > Northampton County (the current Northampton Co is on the Eastern border of > the State and dead center North-South-wise -- I don't know what the 1790 > bounderies were) > Lower Saucon Township > Mary Burns and 2 other free persons > > Northampton County (not returned by township) > Mary Burns and 2 other free persons (my note: looks kinda like a double > count to me) > > Philadelphia, Northern District between Vine and Race Streets and from > Delaware River to the Schuylkill River > Mary Burns, 1 white male 16+, 1 white female > > Hope this helps. > > Peter > > > ============================================================ ==== > > >X-Message: #3 > <Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 19:36:27 -0500 (EST) From: [email protected] > >To: [email protected] > >Message-Id: <[email protected]> Subject: > >[NEVILLE-L] John NEVILL of Harford & Mrs. Burns > > > >In a recent posting to the list I mentioned discovering for the first > >time that a Mrs. Burns is mentioned on a page in the trip diary of > >Thomas WELSH dated 1793 when he and the families of Moses NEVILL and > >John NEVILL left Harford Co., MD for Canada. The name was included > >on an itemized list of goods weighed for transport (I believe to > >cross Lake Ontario from Oshwego N.Y. to Kingston, ON). I don't know > >how I missed it in the past but can only think it was because of > >where it was in the diary and my aversion to all things mathematical. > > Anyway, the name is clearly Mrs. Burns and it was written by Thomas > >WELSH, a well educated intelligent man and the brother-in-law of both > >John and > >Moses NEVILL, all 3 men being married to Mitchell sisters. So > >presumably Welsh knew who the lady in question was and how to spell > >her name so I > >am satisfied that the name is Burns. > > > >I began searching my files and found the following which Shirley > >Wilcox had kindly given me: > > > >Brumbaugh, Gais Marcus. Maryland Recores. Lancaster Pa. Lancaster > >Press, Inc. Vol. 2. 1828. indexed > >p. 171 1776 Harford Lower Hundred, Harford Co. > >Burns, Mathew (tax), 60 > >Mary, 41 > >NEVEL, Ruth, 10 > >NEVEL, John, 7 > > > >I think it very likely that the John NEVIL and Mary BURNS mentioned > >above are the same two people who accompanied Thomas WELSH to Canada > >in 1793. > >I still do not know the relationship between John NEVILL and Moses > >NEVILL. > > > >I have already run this past Shirley Wilcox and Jan Faulkner and for > >their thoughts and wonder if anyone else on the list can connect to > >John NEVILL and Mrs. Burns? This is the best lead I have had in a > >long time and proof that you should periodically go over your files. > > > >John and Ruth could be orphaned children of a relative of Mrs. Burns, > >her own illegit. children if she was born a NEVILL, or she could be > >their mother in a second marriage. > > > >Peter Neville has kindly sent me the Nevilles in MD on the 1790 > >census and none match John who should have had a wife, a daughter and > >1 male under 16 who would have been his wife's son Ephriam Cole > >MITCHELL. Now I am thinking that perhaps he was still living in the > >household of Mrs. Burns in 1790 and will ask Peter if he could check > >this out for me. > > > >If anyone can shed any light on who Mary BURNS might be it would be > >very helpful. Thank you. > > > >Paddy > >in Ontario, Canada > > > >______________________________ > > >==== NEVILLE Mailing List ==== >Your donations to RootsWeb make the NEVILLE Mailing List possible. >RootsWeb Gen. Data Coop. 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