Ren and other cousins, Quoting from "Roayalty for Commoners" by Roderick Stuart, Genealogical Publishing, Co., which Ren now needs because it lists all the known ancestors of none other than John of Gaunt, yes Plantagenet: "John of Gaunt, Prince of England, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Richmond, Titular King of Castile and Leon, Knight of the Garter; b. March 1340, Bavon Abbey, Ghent, Flanders; d. 3 Feb 1399, Leicester Castle, London; md(1) 19 May 1359, Blanche of Lancaster; md(2) June 1371, Constance, dau of Pedro "the Cruel," King of Castile; md(3) 13 Jan 1396, his longtime mistress, Katherine Roet, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford; Katherine was b. 1350; d. 1403; bur Lincoln Cathedral; her father was Sir Paon (Payne) Roet, Guienne King of Arms, a Gascon; her sister Philippa md Geoffrey Chaucer, the poet." John's parents and line: Edward III Plantagenet, and Philippa of Hainault Edward II Plantagenet, and Isabella, Princess of France Edward I "Lomgshanks" Plantagenet, and Eleanor of Castile Henry III Plantagenet, and Eleanor of Provence John "Lackland", and Isabella of Angouleme Henry II "Curt Mantel", and Eleanor of Aquitaine Geoffrey Plantagenet, 5th Duke of Normany, and Matilda, daughter of Henry I "Beauclerc" and on and on. Charlemagne, etc. If you prove to John of Gaunt, this is a "must have" book. Best of luck to all of us. Brian Walls Columbia, Maryland