Jeanne Barton (& all), What a nice round of questions concerning John Neville of the Ark and Dove and his son John and the other items you mentioned. They show a great clarity of thought. And yes, all of these things do need to be answered and straightened out by using documentation. Much of Joseph Nevilles info. and that of Blakemore and others is based on William F. Boogher's work which does not seem to document the items presented. At least some of the early information seems to be conjecture rather than positively proven. Joseph Neville never took into account for the other Nevilles in Isle of Wight Co., VA who lived so near the other early Nevilles who claim descent from John of the Ark and Dove. It would be wonderful if we could find a definite connection of some sort. For my own line, prior to Joseph Neville, Sr. (b. ca. 1707, d. aft. 1790) I have no documentary proof--only what has been reported by Joseph B. Neville in his 2 books and in the Soc. JND newsletters. I do have proof back to Joseph Neville, Sr. as I have submitted his name as one of my Revolutionary War patriots for the Sons of the American Revolution. Joseph Neville, Sr.'s patriot status has also been acknowledged by the Daughters of the Am. Revolution. But only 2 of his children have been proven to the satisfaction of DAR--my Mary (Neville) Dodson and George Neville who was granted land by Joseph on the head of Cedar Run in Fauquier County in 1762. I also note that in the 370-Yr History, p. 16 is mention of a letter written by Joseph Neville, Jr. (who married Agness Nancy Brown) which mentions "My step mother I expect will not hold out many days." That letter along with other references might provide enough supporting evidence to show that Joseph Neville, Jr. is a son of Joseph, Sr. and thus be acceptable for SAR and DAR. *Note: The stepmother was Mary Elliott whom Joseph Sr. married in Fauquier Co. on 20 Dec. 1777. I do appreciate your input, Jeanne, and I'm sure the others do as well. Maybe we will get some more answers as time progresses. Sincerely, Glenn Gohr (Neville List Manager) ggohr01@mail.orion.org