Howdy Bill (and Neville cousins): Thanks so much for the quick response and helpful info regarding Edward Neville and descendants. A snail-cousin of mine has been researching this line and a couple of others, and I'll contact him again about the sources so I can answer your questions with a little more assurance. I only received the lineages from him, and since I was sending one note, I added the "feeler". (Perhaps I should have waited for more info before posting??) I might be able to identify a couple of sticky spots, and I'll also ask a question or two. > > Edward NEVILLE > > Edward, d.18 Oct 1476, was Lord Abergavenny, son of Ralph de NEVILLE, > Earl of Westmoreland (ante 1364-1425) by his m. ante 3 Feb 1396/7 to > Lady Joan BEAUFORT (d.1440). He married c.1448, by special > dispensation, > > > + Katherine HOWARD (d/o Robert HOWARD, Knight, Kent ENG) > > Catherine, d.post 29 Jun 1478, was dau of Sir Robert HOWARD, K.G., by > Margaret de MOWBRAY. Sir Robert HOWARD, K.G. [King's Guard??] > > ..1 Margaret NEVILLE, d 30 SEP 1506 at Cobham, Kent ENG > > ....+ John BROOKE, Knight, (John also m Eleanor Austell) (s/o Edward > > ........ BROOKE, d bef 08 NOV 1464 at [Kent?] ENG; & Elizabeth TUCHET) > > John BROOKE, b.c.1444, d.1506, was 7th Lord Cobham, [I'm curious as > to the source of Eleanor AUSTELL's name] I also wondered about Eleanor Austell, since her name appeared to be an appended afterthought in the list. I'll check on this. > > ..............+ Thomas WYATT, Knight, bef 1522, > > Sir Thomas WYATT, b. at Allington Castle, co.Kent, 1503, d.Sherborne, > co.Dorset, 11 Oct 1542, was poet to K. Henry VIII and son of Sir > Henry WYATT per PECD This is where my research picks up, since I've been working backward through my WYATT line from 1940. Thomas WYATT (1503-1542) is my 15th Great-grandfather [generation 18]. > > ................1 Thomas WYATT, Knight, b ca 1522, d 11 APR 1554 > > ..................+ Jane HAUTE, 1537 > > Jane HAWTE, b. at Bishops Bourne, co.Kent, dau of Sir William HAWTE > and Mary GUILFORD per PECD. _The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215_ gives > Jane as dau of Sir William HAUTE (or HAWTE) by his wife Mary, dau, of > Sir Richard GUILFORD and Anne PIMPE. (For Hawte ancestry see Walter > G. Davis, _Ancestry of Mary Isaac_ pp. 97-193; for Guilford, pp. > 69-96. Thomas HAWTE was leader of a badly organized rebellion > against Queen Mary. For this generation see _Mary Isaac_ pp.191-192) Thanks for listing these sources for HAUTE/HAWTE information. I'll check on obtaining copies via ILL, since my local library is drought- stricken on genealogical data outside the local level. > > ................1 Thomas WYATT, Knight, b ca 1522, d 11 APR 1554 > > ..................+ Jane HAUTE, 1537 > > ....................[my lineage comes forward from this union] > > ..............+ Edward WARNER, Knight, aft 10 OCT 1542 > > I have no reference for an Edward WARNER as son of Sir Thomas WYATT My apologies for not making this a little clearer. Edward WARNER was the second husband of Elizabeth BROOKE [again, according to my snail- cousin; I have not verified this personally as I am very early in this line's research]. The alignment of data was not the best format. FWIW, the rest of my line comes forward as such, holes and all: Thomas Wyatt [Knight], bca 1522 at Kent ENG, m Jane Haute, 1537 at Kent ENG, d 11 Apr 1554 at Tower of London, London ENG ---[16]--- George Wyatt [Knight], b 1550 at Allington Castle, Kent ENG, m Jane Finch, 8 Oct 1582, d bef 10 Nov 1624 [at Ireland?] [interred date] ---[15]--- Haute Wyatt [Reverend], b 1596 at Boxley Abbey, Kent ENG, m Barbara Mitford, 6 Feb 1618 at London ENG, m Elizabeth (___), bef 1626 at [London?] England, m Ann Lee, bef 1630 at England, d bef 1 Aug 1638 at Boxley Abbey, Kent ENG [interred date] ---[14]--- Edward Wyatt, bca 1621 at England, m Jane Conquest, d aft 8 Jan 1668 at Boxley Estate, Gloucester County VA [interred date] ---[13]--- Conquest Wyatt, m Sallie Pate ---[12]--- Edward Wyatt [Captain], m Frances Newton ---[11]--- William Edward Wyatt, m Lettice Nichols ---[10]--- John Wyatt, m Hannah Vincent ---[09]--- Vincent Wyatt, m Elizabeth Simpson ---[08]--- Elijah Wyatt, m Rachel Barton ---[07]--- Eli Wyatt, b 1813 at North Carolina, m Elvira Docia Halsey, ca 1840, d 1894 at Allegheny County NC [HALSEY ancestry to c1500 Kent ENG] ---[06]--- Robert Miles Wyatt, b 1841 at North Carolina, m(1) Julia (____), ca 1862, m(2) Nancy Jane Lane, 30 May 1903 at Wyoming County WV ---[05]--- Dewey Franklin Wyatt, b 12 Jun 1873 at Ashe County NC, m Nancy Ellen Goode, 7 Apr 1894 at Wyoming County WV, m Mae Pickrell, Oct 1929 at Scioto County OH, d 7 Dec 1940 at New Boston OH ---[04]--- Mary Elizabeth Wyatt, b 21 Feb 1897 at Pineville, Center District, Wyoming County WV, m William Cottle, 1 May 1919 at Scioto County OH, d 20 Jan 1954 at Omega, Jackson Township, Pike County OH ---[03]--- Pearl Joseph Cottle, b 21 Aug 1923 at South Webster OH, m Zelma Mae Davis, 11 Mar 1947 at Pike County OH ---[02]--- Martha Ellen Cottle, b 18 Oct 1947 at Mechanicsburg OH, m(1) Alfred Junior Richmond, 6 Nov 1965 at Ross County OH, m(2) Ted Eugene Spetnagel, 2 Feb 1978 at Chillicothe OH, m(3) Ted Eugene Spetnagel, 2 Feb 1994 at Charleston SC ---[01]--- Allen Richmond, b 30 Jul 1966 at Dayton, Montgomery County OH, m Linda Jo Russell, 19 Aug 1989 at Athens, Athens County OH -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thanks again for the wonderful leads and helpful data. It has been mentioned to me that the book "The Royal Line of Succession: The British Monarchy from Cerdic AD534 to Queen Elizabeth" [Patrick W. Montague-Smith, 1986] is a good source of information on the monarchial lineages, and that the book "Lancaster and York: A century of English History AD 1399-1485" [Sir James H Ramsey, 1892] provides some insight into the NEVILLEs and BEAUFORTs (two surnames on my list to research). Are these sources known to be either reliable or helpful in pointing toward relevant data? I have yet to find a copy of either source to peruse, so I'm hoping someone on the list can comment (yea or nay). Thanks! Allen -- Allen Richmond sciototrails@usa.net tarich@ix.netcom.com -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"* Researching: ALLEN, ARMSTRONG, BAKER, BARTON, BERENGER, BOHUN, BOLEYN, BRAYBROOKE, BROOKE, COBHAM, CONQUEST, COOK, COTTLE, COURTENAY, DAVIS, deCASTILLE, deFIENNES, delaPOLE, deLONGUEVILLE, FINCH, FLEMING, GOODE, GUILDFORD, HALSEY, HALTERMAN, HANHAM, HANKINS, HATFIELD, HAUTE, HEYDON, HICKS, HOLLAND, HOWARD, JONES, LAIR, LOWE, MITCHELL, MITFORD, MULLENS, NEVILLE, NEWTON, NICHOLS, PATE, PEVEREL, SELLARDS, SIMPSON, SKINNER, TAILLEFER, THOMAS, TUCHET, UTZLER, VANHOOK, VINCENT, WALTZ, WELCH, WHALEY, WILEY, WILLIAMSON, and WYATT USA: Ohio / West Virginia / Virginia / North Carolina / New Jersey / New York / Vermont / Maryland / Pennsylvania / Kentucky EUROPE: England / Wales / Scotland / Ireland / France / Germany / Switzerland -*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*-*"*-.,_,.-*"*