Owen-Glenn and others. Now don't you come up with some goodies, what do you do, stay up all night! Question: Unless my records are all screwed up, Edward Neville b: 1412 had two children by the name of Catherine. One by Elizabeth Beauchamp b: 1442, another by his other wife Catherine Howard b:1459 who married Robert Tanfield III (?) and then there is George Neville b: 1414, son of Ralph Neville and Joan Beaufort who had the Catherine you guys are talking about b: (?) who married Oliver Sutton. I wish I had more than just skeleton info on these people. I did not know that Catherine, dau. of George was an item with Oliver Sutton. Would be interesting to see the line from there. Now as to Edward Neville, brother to George who shared the same wife did the first Catherine born of Elizabeth Beauchamp in 1442 die or did he decide he just liked the name of Catherine (sorta like George Foremans kids, all 8 named George, or something like that) Do I have all my Catherines in the rights boxes, does anybody know the birth date of Georges Catherine whom married Oliver Sutton. Any help for this old man is appreciated! Take care.........Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30