Hi Jan....excuse the mistake on Sr. vs. Jr. As I mentioned, was winging it, sorry if I caused a problem.......! My answer to your questions is "no" on most counts. I have not seen any proof that links Joseph to Joseph, the baptism could have been any Joseph and your right, why not Richard, George, Pete or Harry. As I've mentioned before, my grandfather thought the family came out of a George. With "my line" I only feel real comfortable through John b: 1731. If he had a brother George who married Rachael Earl, hey, who knows, he could have been named after his father? Or how about the reported son of Joseph Sr., Richard. I don't know if he was a Neville or Newell, he too could have been named after his father. You know, I wasn't around when the SOJND was in bloom, but this membership "seemed" to think that all these critters went to John and Bridget and I often wonder why, surely they must have had something to base their heritage on. It might take awhile, but I called the Librarian at the Hardy County Library in Moorefield W. VA and also sent her a letter. I requested copies of all 13 of those letters plus anything else she could come up with concening the Neville family. Hopefully I will get a reply and when I do, will make copies of all the information to those interested in the group. In very quick review of some notes, I only have, give or take: 1. a baptism of one Joseph Nevil on 12-2-1733 at Abington Parish, son of one Joseph Nevil. (our Joseph's...who knows, however would suspect) 2. John Neavill, George Neavill and Joseph Neavill witness deed of William Baily in 1745. This cant be the sons of John Sr. as they would be to young. Now are these the brothers Joseph Sr., George and John, sons of perhaps John Neville b: 1661 or do we still have duplicate Johns, Josephs and Georges running around the county. (kinda doubt it, almost sounds like or Joseph Sr. names his kids after his brothers) 3.Joseph Neville conveyed to his son George Neavil Jr. (why the Jr.) land on which he lives in 1762 at the head of Cedar Run in Fauquier. Now at least we have one son established, a George of a Joseph. (would hope ours) 4. Joseph gives his concent for marriage of on Mary Neavil to Richard Jackman in 1767. Looks like we have an additional child (unless you think this was another Joseph) 5. Marriage bond of one Joseph (do we presume our Joseph) to Mary Ellett. (our Joseph or another Joseph, who knows) Guess as you said, these can be anyone. Without a will, who knows. Without any additional information, I'm going to have to pencil in that Joseph Sr. had a wife Mary, had brothers George and John, had son George and daughter Mary, and unless there were two Joseph Nevilles in Abington Parrish in 1773 with newborns Joseph, will assume Joseph Jr. is the son of Joseph Sr. With reference of the letters to Cuthbert Bullitt, a son John and nephew Presley....................got to run....bye jdfaulk@hop-uky.campus.mci.net wrote: > > Ren, > > I have a couple of questions or comments about the information below. > ____________________ > At 11:02 PM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote: > >We know by letter that Joseph Neville Sr. b: 1707 as mentioned in JB's > >book, who died in Moorefield, Hardy Co. VA. now W. VA. was a listed as > >the father of Gen John (my ancestor) and Gen Joseph m. Agness Nancy > >Brown. These letters were written by Joseph Sr. to Cuthbert Bullitt > >regarding some land dispute and he mentions names. > ____________________ > > The letters were written by Joseph Neville, Jr., not Sr., from his home in > Hardy Co., VA, to his son-in-law Bullitt in Louisville, KY. The letters do > establish that Joseph, Jr. had a son named Presley in Louisville, as well as > a nephew in Louisville, Col. Presley Nevill (son of Gen. John). In > addition, the letters establish that Joe, Jr. had a nephew John O'Bannon, > which seems to indicate that Booger's assertion that Joe, Jr. had a sister > Ann who married an O'Bannon is correct (especially since Ann had a son named > Presley Nevill O'Bannon). > > However, the letters do not establish that the references to Joseph Neville > of Isle of Wight (perhaps his place of birth according to 370 Yr. History), > Gloucester, Prince William/Fauquier, Hampshire/Hardy Counties are all > references to the man who was also said to be the same person who married > (1) Ann Bohannan and (2) Mary Elliot, lived from 1707-179-, was the father > of the above Joseph, Jr. and Presley Neville, and died in Hardy Co., VA. I > know we have been over this ground before, but do we have proof yet that the > Joseph Nevill and Ann Bohannon who had a son Joseph baptized in Gloucester > Co, Abington Parish, in Feb. 1733 is the same Joseph who shows up in Prince > William/Fauquier Co. area? In addition, do we have proof that the Joseph > who was in Hampshire/Hardy Co. area is the same Joseph who was in Prince > William/Fauquier Co. area? > > You stated that we can probably rule out Richard as the father of your John > Neville. I must have missed the reason we can do this somewhere along the > way. How do we know we can rule out Richard? I agree that it is confusing > that a Richard Nevill who was said to have m. Ann Burroughs (cousin of Lord > Fairfax) is also said to be John's father in some references, while the > Joseph Neville who m. Ann (prob. Bohannon) is also stated as being John's > father in other references (such as the Joe Neville 370-Yr. History). If a > John who lived in Winchester where your John lived was in a lawsuit with a > Richard Neville, this would seem to indicate a connection with some Richard > Neville, even if he was not John's father. > > While Gen. John Neville may not be part of my line, I have done research on > your John Neville because of the MD/PA connection of early Mississipi > Nevilles. As you may remember, Philip and James Nevill served with > Washington Co. rangers in Rev. War (an area where your John or Presley owned > land - will have to check source on this), and then Philip and James showed > up in the Spanish Natchez Territory in 1790's. This territory became part > of Mississippi. Philip and James owned land in Jefferson Co., MS, and > perhaps other counties. (One tantalizing clue to Philip's name is that Gen. > John Neville or his son Col. Presley Neville were friends with Prince Philip > of Spain, according to one source. Also, a Priestly Nevill showed up as > surveyor general in the Natchez Territory, according to another source. > This could have also been the Presley who was son of Joseph, Jr. since Joe > was in the surveying business, but then so was Col. Presley. Confused yet? > Well, I have previously posted George Nevill of Montgomery Co., TN interest > in Natchez Territory, as he stated in his will "money due me in the > Natchez." Of course, George is supposed to be another brother in the John, > Joseph, Ann, etc. generation, who were said to be children of Joseph, Sr. > (Booger and 370-Yr. History references). Oh well, here we are back at the > beginning of the subject of this post. Time to go.) > > Jan > > > > >"If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall > >He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30 > > > > -- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30