Hi group....forget my last two posts, I jumped the gun and think I can anwere most of my own question. For those interested however in old John of Gaunt and Catherine Swynford aka Roet, John was born march 1340 in Ghent, Flanders, Belgium. He was the son of Edward III and Phillippa of Hainault. He married Catherine Swynford Roet, daughter of Sir Payne of Guienne Roet. She was born 1350 and died in 1403. Her other husband was Hugh Swynford. John of Gaunt did marry Blanche of Lancaster (who I will assume I have down as Blanche Plantagenet) and had Henry IV. John also married Constanza, queen of Castile and I believe Blanche Plantagenet was married to Ludwig of Bavaria. Going back in my "programs" and see if I can do some "merging", then corrections, then updates etc. Just wish all those old "genealogist" would have decided on one name for these people, but life isn't easy is it......hope you didn't share too much of my confusion..........take care.......Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30