Hi Jan...... Lets see: 1. J.B. Neville <370> does make reference to John Neville being the Sheriff at Winchester in 1755, although I don't believe is sez Winchester where, but we'll conceed Virginia. 2. I haven't seen the reference 1761 of John Neville of Frederick Co., makes a deed to lot in Winchester town. Guess according to Gene, Winchester is the county seat of Frederick Co., VA. 3. Richard Neville, defendant. One might recall the discussion concerning John Neville's reported brothers, Benjamin and Richard whom some say there has been no proof of and that they could be "Newells". Also, there was something published that Richard Nevitt married one Ann Burroughs, not Richard Neville. Looks like ordering the copy of that suit from Winchester is he only way to answer this question. Was Richard a Nevitt, Neville or perhaps Newell, or none of the above. Jan, if you order, please advise (as I'm sure you will). Perhaps this is one of those missing keys. Believe Shirley Wilcox has never been able to prove Benjamin and Richard and she thinks they were Newells. I believe the only time I have seen John Neville listed as the sheriff of Winchester VA, is in JB's book. John was born in VA, married on 8-24-1754 but I don't know where, and settled after the Rev War in PA where he is buried in Pittsburg. It would seem posible that he could have been the Sheriff the year after his marriage, then went on to fight the bad guys, then to Ft. Pitt etc. Perhaps to substantiate the posible claim of Sheriff, he was in Winchester VA: 4. John Neville's children were all reportedly born in Winchester VA. from 1755 to 1763. That should make him a resident, however, who knows about the Sheriff. I don't know of a George Neville, sheriff that settled in Winchester and went on to be a Capt., Co., and Brevet General. I have to agree with you Jan, this is John, not Geroge. BIG FAVOR. Check those birth dates again from John Neville's bible. I have: Susannah b: 10-9-1759 and dying the same day. It is possible this was 10-9-1757, but I doubt that it was two year exactly from birth to death (10-9-1757 to 10-9-1759). Susannah (2) I show born on 10-14-1763 and died three weeks later on 11-9-1763 rather than being born of 10-14-1760. Probably not important, but would like for you to check those dates so I can make corrections. Milly and Amelia were twins, both born 4-4-1763 (in winchester). Milly died at birth or in infancy, Amelia (not Milly) went on to marry Isaac Craig (at least this is the way I have picked it up) 5. As to John Hawkins. I have not direct knowledge of him however a "Hawkins" married into the "Craig" line off of John, which could be your John Hawkins. (sounds good to me!) 6. In review of your Oldham line by John Hawkins, this is what I have in my base....don't ask me where it came from, but the info looks correct. Jan.......once again, looks like were going to have to get that law suit. I'd sure like to know who this Richard Neville is. Sure would be simple to have him a Neville rather than a Nevitt or Newell..take care and "thank you very much" for sharing your info......cya -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30