OK you guys, now I'm really confused. I'm lookintg at a chart plucked from a Library along the line titled: THE BEAUFORT FAMILY which shows "John of Gaunt" at the top m. Catherine Swynford with children: 1. John Beaufort m. Margaret Holland 2. Henry Beaufort (a Bishop) 3. Thomas, D. of Exter (d 1426) m Margaret Neville and 4. Joan Beaufort m. Robert Ferrers, and Ralph Neville Glenn, you state that John is a Plantagenet. I haven't the foggiest how these turkeys got their names. Question: Who is the parents of John of Gaunt aka Beaufort or Plantagenet. Guess I got my Catherine problem solved, she goes by three names, Swynford (Swinford), Catherine of Hainault and Katherine de Roelt (maybe). Unfortunately, I'm now worse off because I've got a bunch of entries for each of these alias going to different fella's (I think). As to Catherine of Hainault: I show her born in 1348 in Hainault Belgium, dau. of Guillaume IV of Hainault and Catherine Roet. Question: have I now crossed my two Catheine Roet's, in other words, Catherine Roet, wife of Guillaume is mistaken for Catherine Roet, wife of John of Gaunt. Question: is there one accepted name for Catherine Swynford aka Hainault, aka Roet that I can use to consolidate this big mess. Are my dates right for Catherine Swynford (1348-1403) and once again, what are the birth and death dates on John of Gaunt, aka Plantagent or Beaufort (I show him married on 1-13-1368/69 in Ghent, Flanders, Belgium) and who sired this proud puppie (or is it hatched this turkey). Anybody know a place to get a good "Royalty" book that is available through a local book store this afternoon!........thanx group! Ren ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ren and Judy Neville vom Junggesellental Rottweilers Wörterbuch Publishing 510-432-3323 voice/FAX "If God so clothe the grass of the field....shall He not much more clothe you" MATT. 6:30