Hi Glen A slight correction here: > >I have him married to Katherine Roelt, also known as Katherine Swinford or >Katherine of Hainault. I don't know if the other wife is valid or not. You are referencing John's 3rd marriage, which was to Katherine de Roet, widow of Hugh Swynford, Knt., of Coleby and Ketelthorpe, co.Lincoln (d.1372), the younger dau/co-heiress of Pain de Roet, Knt., Guienne King of Arms, a Hainaulter, and one of the knights of Q.Philippe's household. > >He would be referenced in books on the Emperor Charlemagne's descendants. >I found my references in a set of books called MAGNA CHARTA which traces >descendants of the signers of the Magna Charta signed by King John in the >1200s. > You perhaps are referring to the Magna Charta series by Wurtz, which should be used with great caution! Good digging, Bill gedigger@bellatlantic.net